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Betrayal, Lawrence, and the English working-class Earlier today I came across this video at BDF posted by Chuffer, a good, reliable nationalist and ex-BNP member, and a regular participant in the BDF bear-pit. The theme of injustice and betrayal is not new to us, of course, though it is certainly a pleasure to see it so well structured. But the street interview section is important, and especially refreshing to see. There are the authentic voices of the English working-class who have been been subjected to eighteen years of relentless Lawrence propaganda. And they know it. Still, one wonders why they exhibit such a resigned attitude, and not more fight. Then one remembers how deserted these people are. Not the politicians, not the press, not the Church, not the schools, not the law ... no part of civil society spares them a word of acknowledgement. It truly is the most complete betrayal imaginable. And yet, as this video shows, the Lawrence propaganda almost certainly now exercises more influence over the minds of the traitors than it does the betrayed. Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:22 | # Violence, hey? Well, why not raise a paramilitary who you could dress in brown and give them a name like Storm Detachment. They could say things like, “Terror must be broken by terror”. Then they could break the terror by smashing down on the reds and the hippy priests. Or better still, train up a few Anders Breiviks to assassinate the children of the liberals. Or you could establish a proper movement - not just another nationalist political party - operating in all the key areas required to bring a revolutionary change to the racial, social, economic and political life we lead. 3
Posted by dc on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:11 | # ad GW And don’t get snotty with the brownshirts. They did the job and Germany was a freeer more peaceful country because of it. Perhaps it would have turned out badly, but we’ll never know, will we? And the alternative? To say “Please” to someone who is three or four standard deviations below reasonable. You posed the question. Don’t complain about the only possible response. 4
Posted by dc on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:18 | # Nignogs, pakis and jews are using violence against us now, as a matter of course. And they are getting just lovely results. Honestly GW, do you think they are just inoffensive misunderstood animals. It is obviously time to herd the animals out of common society. 5
Posted by Lurker on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:53 | # Something I noticed recently… This is the Stephen Lawrence picture generally used by the British media, almost the only one in fact. I’ve seen it many times over the last 18 years :
But only during the recent trial did I see this picture for the first time:
The first photo is clearly a cropped version of the second yet the MSM always chose the cropped version until quite recently. I think we can all see why. A subtle piece of media manipulation. The cropped version sends out a more passive, victim like message. Only today, looking for these examples, did I find this picture.
An even more complete version that I had never seen before. I presume this sent out an even less passive message. Stephen Lawrence has always been billed as an academically minded youth with an interest in architecture. True or not, this image doesnt equate with that description in most peoples minds and perhaps that is why its never been used by the MSM. 6
Posted by daniel on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:31 | # I enjoyed this news presentation. I believe that the Internet is still new enough in effectiveness - probably about 7 or 8 years effective, tops - that it is too soon to take the position that promulgating this sort of information and story has been exhausted. My understanding of learning theory is that there are subterranean or unconscious “compartments” of learning that have to fill in, in the background, before a new plateau of consciousness is reached. That is, just because change in the behavior of the public is not altogether evident in the public as yet, does not mean that learning is not taking place in the background of their consciousness - it is. And, eventually, a new plateau of consciousness will emerge. I liked the story and the reporting. 7
Posted by Helvena on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:47 | # The thing I don’t like about this video is that if you click on the youtube icon, it says the video is featured on The Gates of Vienna (and it is). GofV is a race baiting site. The second thing I don’t like is that the narrator sounds very much like a guy (I can’t for the life of me think of his name though I can see his face in my mind’s eye) who doesn’t have a problem with Judaism but does have problems with Christianity and Islam. Cognitive dissonance there. If I think of his name during the day I’ll post it. On a first principles basis large minority populations are a problem not just if they are violent. I resent the emotional baiting. 8
Posted by daniel on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:49 | # Hmm, first I’ve seen of him, Helvena - you could be absolutely right for all I know. However, for the sake of Whites, I would not care if he were anti-Christian providing that he is anti Jewish and Islam as well. I haven’t been to “The Gates of Vienna” ...but, the inspirational would seem to be one of defending Vienna against the Turks on behalf of “Christendom”?? 9
Posted by Lurker on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:12 | # Daniel - Im pretty sure the voiceover guy is not the same as the presenter. Ive listed GofV as controlled opposition since its stance appears to be that Europe wants to commit suicide and those wily muslims just keep running rings around us. Any implication that perhaps another ethnic/religious minority might in any way have anything to do with this is dismissed out of hand, comments to that effect will be deleted. And btw Israel is our greatest ally against militant Islam. Anyone who gets carried away and suggests that perhaps we should not be importing millions of muslims and maybe even start sending them home will be denounced as a nazi and again comments deleted. As evidence of muslim activities in Europe it does have some utility of course. Hope that clarifies things re GofV 11
Posted by Midland Bank 'Cuddly' Griffin on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:38 | # This must be the only occasion in my life when I’ve half respected Kelvin McKenzie. 12
Posted by The Anthem on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:57 | # Give those ‘mantra people’ their due this is catchy enough ear-din to probably circumvent the progressive’s “thought crime” sirens ringing in the basement. This works well on its own terms. Posting the same lines hundreds of times in threads, less so. 13
Posted by Helvena on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:43 | # I found him…Pat Condell. Brave Patty, has no trouble finding fault with Islam and Christianity but he is thunderingly silent on Judaism. I believe it is because Jews don’t proselytize and “they aren’t trying to take over the world”. And in Pat’s world, Jews are the victims. None so blind as he that will not see. 14
Posted by Liberal Heresy on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:17 | # The difficulty here is that the general public will just remain impotently disgruntled and dissatisfied until they are wholly convinced of the fact of the imbalance and the unjustness against them. Then dissatisfaction can turn more towards righteous anger and moral outrage. The best way for this to occur is for a form of white sociology - as comprehensively as possible, reviewing and outlining the imbalance in the public sphere processes as they relates to the natives and to others (legal system, housing allocation, racial attacks etc) and to the being of the inhabitants - who they are and what is happening to them. As in certain books, an executive summary, digestible for all and a more thoroughgoing review intended for others. Promoted online and via alternative media in relevant segments, not delivered as a theory of everything. The understanding gained above could then be disseminated with authority and charisma by people best suited to the task. The current fanfare for the film ‘The Iron Lady,’ about that tedious woman, reminds me that sometimes women could have a role here in delivering these messages in softer tones. Or at least from a female who is less likely to be as viciously attacked as a man or seen as an immediately aggressive figure. There is of course the current example of Marine in la belle France, even if in her case it is a diluted solution. The other day, I encountered a (basic) outline of Just War theory that I have just refound. Think it’s a suitable moral container for our political end-goal of racial homogeneity:
For an example of the combination of a lack of factual awareness and without a well developed argument, listen from 32 minutes in, to this man (from the EDL) discussing a march they are due to hold to protest about the Rhea Page case. He has earnestness behind him, which is to his credit, but the key part of the interview regarding the racial nature of the crime, a two tier justice system etc that could all be powerful points are lost in the telling. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00mzctl (outside of the UK, you *may* have to adjust a proxy system to a UK IP to listen) But to be fair, when he speaks about the confrontational nature of counter-marches he is much more believable and it is a view I have long held. The right to march or hold a protest, does not require for equity the right for a counter in the same vicinity and at the same time. In fact that dual right (as you don’t need me to outline) is in fact an attack on the original right itself.
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Posted by sk on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:28 | # The charge is not racism, it’s GENOCIDE, as in: Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries. The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them. Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites. What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries? How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem? And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this? But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews. They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white. 16
Posted by Captainchaos on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:29 | #
Yet who is to say such a movement shouldn’t include a paramilitary wing - eventually. Costumes and palingenetic indoctrination could possibly be gone without, but where’s the fun in that. Life without a little theatre is drab indeed. 17
Posted by anon on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:44 | #
Yup, and by extension that the current political elite / media etc is their enemy. If you can get a third to that point another third will be neutral and even only 10% of the males of a third of the population is a lot more than 800. That’s not to knock the EDL’s way of highlighting the injustices which i think is good.
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Posted by Lurker on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:02 | # sk - fair play to you propagating the mantra but doing it at MR really isnt needed, you really are preaching to the converted here. There are a million other sites out there where you would be better employed doing that. I just dont want you wasting your effort. 19
Posted by sk on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:40 | # lurker Just a reminder. The real charge is GENOCIDE of White children, not racism. Can’t be repeated too much. 20
Posted by patrick on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:50 | # Nobody really cares about the murder. The power of the anti-Whites is how they relentlessly attack while conservatives backpeddle and try to prove they are not racist. They need to go on offense. Call these anti-Whites EXACTLY what they are. They are anti-White. Their intention is geNOcide. 21
Posted by Lurker on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:58 | #
For most people its through the media that the attack comes, its relentless. TV more than any other medium. Drama, comedy, childrens shows (especially those), news, music, sport, advertising - they are all at it to some degree. But lets not forget film, radio and print either. I think a constant highlighting of the anti-white agenda in the media would reap rewards. The strength of propaganda is also its weakness. Say I sponsor a series of TV ads saying in not so many words “White people are scum.” Thats a powerful message but if white people become conscious of this message well, the evidence is right there. I cant very well hide it, its visibility was the whole point. Manipulation of the legal system, hidden forms of affirmative action that sort of stuff upsets people but it can be hidden, dressed up in jargon, disguised by other activities. In other words its hard to prove. But the manipulation of the media is hidden in plain view. Im always mentioning this site: antiwhitemedia.com but it seems to me thats a good first step in the right direction. There just needs to be a whole lot more sites like that, more rigorous, detailed deconstruction of the media. Anyone in the UK who has ever seen Casualty on the BBC will know what I mean. A rainbow alliance of non-whites, gays, lesbians and a few white liberals/women fight to keep the flickering flame of civilization alive whilst a continuous stream of evil, stupid, inept white people (men mostly) do their best to return the world to a state of barbarity. Next week: the same again. This programme is ripe for an episode by episode checklist of anti white themes. I did start working towards doing something similar but didnt have the time. Guess Ill have to try again. 22
Posted by Lurker on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 03:03 | # SK - quite right, I totally respect what you are doing. Ive repeated that mantra myself, and parts of it, at other sites. But here you are on friendly territory, very few of the visitors and posters here would disagree in any way. 23
Posted by Horatio on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:17 | # If you’re White, living in a White country, and you don’t speak for our people, you don’t explicitely speak for White People and for the survival of White People, you have no real power, I don’t care what your IQ is, what titles you hold, how much media air time you get, and what ever “authority” you hold is tenuous. To not explicitely speak for White People is yielding power. Posterity has its limit, it stops at race and only race, anything further renders the word useless. TRUE POWER is derived from loyalty, not words! 24
Posted by Bill on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:05 | #
http://www.newstatesman.com/newspapers/2012/01/white-media-journalists-black 25
Posted by Ken on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:41 | # The Gates of Vienna is an extreme Zionist site that is based in Virginia USA not Europe. It was behind merging the EDL with the British Freedom Party and diverting it from nationalism to an extreme Zionist anti-Muslim party. The Zionist strand emphasises the downside of Islam and characterises the battleas one of ideology not a racial issue. It presents the Koran as being like Mein Kampf. Geert Wilders is the best known. http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2011/07/our-enemies.html http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2012/01/update-to-update.html http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2011/07/gates-of-vienna-blog-betrays-anti.html 26
Posted by Ken on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:51 | # 27
Posted by Bill on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:33 | # New people who are just becoming aware need to know this. GOV and their ilk are cool with immigration as long as it’s not Muslim. Also civic (inclusive) nationalism is cool with immigration providing they, (newcomers) seamlessly integrate. Apparently, you can fool all of the people all of the time when it comes to immigration, though as Lurker points out elsewhere, those here know this. It took me a while to figure it out to begin with. 28
Posted by Bill on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:14 | # Are these people, GOV and EDL, in the eyes of the nationalist a case of better than nothing? I think they are, they help keep the immigration issue bubbling in the public eye. The EDL’s activities for example, pressurise the MSM into reporting their protest activities. Their leader Tommy Robinson, even gets invited into the hallowed corridors of BBC’s Newsnight. Did I read some place (I’ve not kept track lately) where the EDL were considering cutting back their street protests? Hmm? 29
Posted by Liberal Heresy on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:55 | # @Lurker
Thankfully, apart from some children’s television programmes (usually TinyPops cartoons) our TV consumption is low. Most of my choices are watched via the computer. I am not up to date on the main shows therefore or the types of bias that occur and the various attempts at social engineering. Of course I have an inkling (X-Factor, no ethnic minority criminals etc). Much of it consumed by women. The BBC does have all sorts of guidelines and policies as to how programmes are constructed and editorial guidelines behind these. While giving voice to impartiality, they are, from memory, heavily engaged in the social engineering element. No doubt they all do, not least C4. Not sure how best to go about such things. Perhaps one mode of investigation would be to try to determine the leading shows and where relevant simply compare and contrast the social position in the shows to reality i.e. higher and lower IQ positions, what sort of people play the role of the bad guy over a number of episodes, how reflective is all of this to reality via statistics from other sources and so on. Regarding the other elements, I assume judicious use of FOI requests might help. As would published sources such as ethnic imprisonment rates. There are of course various restrictions on how FOI applications have to be answered and so a better understanding of that would enable a greater likelihood of success. For instance I happened across the other day a Muslim’s FO request for a breakdown of Muslims prisoners in the UK from 2000 to the present and various supplemental questions as if he’d try to ask everything in one go. The request was refused because the cost to collate it was over £600 (3 days for one person). This was because in 2002 the rules were changed in how the data was captured. So firstly being aware of restrictions, secondly limited questions might be better, lastly an awareness of the task which you are asking to be performed. They did though use their discretionary power to provide some stats via Excel. Also, as DD shows from time to time here there are also a range of official sources out there to which most of us are unfamiliar of their existence and perhaps, not well versed in their use. Stats, guidelines, detailed analysis and general legalese are not particularly enticing subjects for most people, myself included, which is why much of the output is not considered or used by us. But in making a case we make a firmer challenge than saying on a radio show “the legal system’s biased against us, innit?” No disrespect to that young man, but. One thing we do have in our favour is a global network of people skilled in different areas and all fighting for the cause. Which is why I suggested a few weeks back the idea of a LinkedIn for nationalists. Stats people, biologists, carpenters, lawyers etc A resource for people to contribute where time permits to the advance of the cause internationally. From there local or international meetings could be arranged and so on. 30
Posted by Liberal Heresy on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:58 | # @Bill
They have made some form of agreement to ally with the British Freedom Movement who are civic nationalists to progress their objectives through a more formal political route. Depending on your views on EDL members and the reasons why they are involved in the first place you may view this as more or less likely to occur. 31
Posted by Liberal Heresy on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:07 | # Postscript to 29 above, perhaps the leading shows will not always be the best indicator here as they are audience led. There was the 2008 report by Trevor Phillips / C4 that declared ethnic minorities believed many of the leading shows were “too white” or “hideously white” according to Dyke. The god awful Vicar of Dibley among them. Although paradoxically (or, actually not) most of these respondents wished for more less diverse programming - more shows like Desmonds or a homegrown Cosby Show or Fresh Prince of Bellair. 32
Posted by Liberal Heresy on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:02 | # P.P.S. The LinkedIn-like suggestion could also morph as it developed (or instead direct to a companion site to not divert each sites original purpose) into a hub where certain intellectual research projects could be generally agreed and suitably qualified individuals (or self formed alliances of individuals) would express their interest. A (small) fee could be agreed as part of the original discussion (time, depth, importance) and when it was completed, contributing members would vote yes / no for that sum to be released. I can scry JR in the background mentally drawing one of his statistical analyses about how this would not be useful but I offer it as a ‘what if’. Feel free to take aim. Now I must try to stop procrastinating and do some work. 33
Posted by Bill on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:02 | # Lurker @ 21. Hi Lurker.
. I agree wholeheartedly with your comment. But how do we actually reach these people. OK there’s a trickle going through the process on the Internet that we all have gone through, but that’s not nearly enough by a long way. This question of how do you/we get the message out has plagued the movement since it began being discussed, great strides have been made but from an almost non existent base, the masses still rely entirely on the MSM for their information, and there’s the rub. America is in a much better placed position with its network of private radio sites but even then it’s small beer. I can now see why the BNP were always on about how many leaflets they were pushing through letterboxes, trouble was, (IMO) it was the wrong message, had it been (IMO) the true message of what was going on then we might be in a much different situation today. So in the absence of all else, is leafleting the way to go? Forming local groups inviting discussion (maybe in the home) could, overtime yield results. But again, the subject is so vast, the rabbit hole so deep, where do you start and where do you stop? keep it simple is the answer I suppose. I think the nationalist information ceiling has been reached. Where that is, is difficult to gauge, but it cannot be more than ten percent. The world’s media is singing from the same song sheet, you’ve got to hand it to them, it’s a remarkable feat. I suppose the next election (whenever?) will tell us how much the immigration message has filtered through to the masses, I suspect millions will still turn out to vote for the lib/lab/con trick. If that becomes true then it’s despair. Just look across the pond, red team-blue team, Newt’n Romney, Rick’n Nick, Ron Who? yada, yada, yawn-yawn. You wouldn’t believe it, mass hypnosis. The BBC’s output of promotion of non white over white is 24/7, it is as Lurker says - relentless. It is said a picture is worth a thousand words, I’ll go along with that. The cameraman is constantly picking out non white faces as a matter of course, schools, church services, chat show audiences, you name it. Soccer pundits are now women sided by a white and non white, the boss of the detective is a non white female, in the kids games the boss is always the the non white kid, the quiz master is always non white and so it goes on. All of this is liberalism is accompanied by toilet humour, sex, belching, culture distortion, it knows no end. By this means the media is telling us we are to be got rid off, meet your replacement. How much of this deluge is being picked up by the viewer is anybody’s guess. It is mass hypnosis on an undreampt of scale. This problem of getting the information out into the public sphere will continue, it will be revisited many times. 34
Posted by anon on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:15 | #
Obsessive minds like JR’s are the greatest danger to democratic projects such as you propose. Can you imagine him appearing with Kevin MacDonald and the academic set at some function across the pond? Luckily he is only a menace here, quite far from real life. Collecting and analyzing photos of Page Three girls is useful, the bankers monologue is useful, but absolutely nothing else ... 35
Posted by anon on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:21 | #
The irony is that a “whites only” LinkedIn would be illegal — but not a “White Nationalist” one. 36
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 26 Jan 2012 00:54 | # Meanwhile, in Scotland:
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Posted by The Man From SMUSH on Thu, 26 Jan 2012 01:11 | # Manjit said. “I lost my only brother who can never be replaced and his killers are walking the streets. Now you know how White people feel. Or not, because the police actually care about you. BTW, what the hell are you doing in Scotland? I see that much like America, the idea of preventing Double Jeopardy doesn’t apply in GB when you need to convict a White. If the jury reaches a racist verdict, by Allah, hold trials until they get the right one. 38
Posted by Bill on Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:01 | # Scrolling through the tabloid blogosphere there seems little doubt the theme of the moment is everything is going to the dogs, corruption, honesty, morality, the whole ball of wax is going down the tubes. Peter Oborne has an article up at the Telegraph….
Oborne, like many others in the professional press lament and rail against how corrupt our society has become, cheating, lying, stealing is tons worse than it used to be, it is coming from the top, is it any wonder those below say f**k it! I’ll have some of that. It’s all here. Decades of systematic burrowing away at the foundations of white civilisation have taken their toll, huge chunks are falling away and according to the pundits the whole edifice is about to disintegrate. On some sites they are saying it is all a deliberate programme to bring about chaos where the people will rise up and demand something should be done about it. Cue. enter world government. Oborne doesn’t make any serious attempt to explain how our predicament has come to pass, blaming it mostly on politicians seems to be his thrust. Nowhere in the press will you read or hear the word liberalism joining the dots to all of this chaos, nothing about, relativism, no such thing as moral absolutes, no such thing as right and wrong. Are these people being willingly deceitful in not bringing this to the attention of the discussion or are they genuinely ignorant of what’s overtaken our society. I’m a great believer in unintended consequences of the best intentions of the great and the good, a lot of these liberal tenets produce the opposite effect of what was intended, put into practice they produce the sort of thing Oborne and his thread is railing about. Call it what you like, but don’t mention liberalism whatever you do. Is it me? I could go on but I’ve got to be somewhere else. 39
Posted by stage hypnotist on Tue, 08 May 2012 12:36 | # Robert that video is unavailable, please re upload it, I want to see the progress of the case. Post a comment:
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Posted by dc on Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:21 | #
Ok, I’ll go first.
It is perfectly obvious what will bring peace, and that is a simple uprising of the people. If there were systematic attacks on pakis, nignogs and jews for even a week, half the problem would be solved. Couple that with friendly, ubiquitous messages to the effect that Whites know they are being attacked and will defend themselves, and I imagine we would start to see significant change. In a city of 8,000,000? there must be 800 hard men, capable of careful planning and willing to send a message.