Breivik and the future

Posted by Guessedworker on Saturday, 25 August 2012 10:04.

From the moment the bereaved families challenged the psychological diagnosis of Anders Breivik as a paranoid schizophrenic with active psychosis, there was never really any doubt that he would be found criminally accountable (ie, sane in our parlance) for his deeds in Oslo and on the island of Utøya on 22nd July 2011.

The court’s order to re-assess Breivik, with the result that he was diagnosed as suffering “only” from narcissistic anti-social personality disorder, satisfied the Establishment, the families, the Norwegian public, and Breivik himself.  The latter’s greatest fear was to be committed to a mental institution and have his actions put down to psychosis and his stated causes and goals written off as the logic of a madman.

But the court’s declaration of Breivik’s sanity put an end to that and re-focussed proceedings on his politics, and that, of course, does a grave disservice to the cause of the Norwegian life.  The judge herself said, “Breivik’s views are not a sign of madness but consistent with extreme political views,” as if the natural, normal, healthy, moral desire that Norway’s people must not be colonised and replaced by racial aliens is “extreme”.

It seems likely, however, that, far from making a shock wave that will loose an avalanche of “nationalist” violence, Breivik will simply disappear into his secure prison cell, and be lost to view.  The memory of his sad, stubborn little salutes and his blushes at the mention of “Knights Templar” and “justiciar knights” will occasion only contempt and loathing, and Norway will move on.  That is certainly what Norwegians hope, nationalists among them.

Meanwhile, membership of the Labour Party youth wing, which was the organiser of the Utøya summer camp attacked by Breivik, increased during the last year from 9,600 to 14,000.

Most of that increase was likely driven by the Rose Marches that followed the attacks, and the feeling of national unity that was generated by them.  But that has ebbed away and the realities of division and discontent that were there before 22nd July 2011 are exposed once again.  Norway’s population increased by 1.3% in 2011, one of the highest rates in Europe.  Net immigration accounted for 71% of growth, but this figure is deceptive because Norway’s oil-rich economy has sucked in as many European-descended professionals and skilled workers as it has racial aliens.  The proportion of the population that is racially alien is very likely not less than 7.5%.  Grønland, east of the Akerselva river which runs through Oslo, is already as good as lost.

Politically, Norway has the small-c conservative Progress Party, to which Breivik belonged before his radicalisation.  It is sceptical about multiculturalism but not opposed to immigration.  It is a dog in the nationalist manger, like all such respectably culturist and assimilationist mainstream parties.  In the immediate aftermath of the attacks even a party with such a weak-tea platform suffered a loss of membership.  But it has clawed it back since, and appears to be advancing further.

An authentic Norwegian nationalism is impossible to advance, of course, crushed as it is between the Progress Party and Breivik’s murderousness.

As for the rest of us, well, nationalism found some respite from association with Breivik in his original diagnosis, as well as in the scarcely nationalist Christian Zionist anti-jihadism he espoused.  As someone who spends a fair amount of time on newspaper threads arguing the case for the European life, I encountered few references to the Utøya massacre beyond the immediate aftermath.  Now the court has tied Breivik to the motives of every nationalist, there will likely be a longer tail to the damage he has done.

But that, too, will pass. The horror of Breivik is receding, and just as Norwegians cannot hide from the realities of the world their politicians are creating, neither can any of us.  Nationalists remain the only political actors with a true heart and a true analysis.



Comments:


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Posted by Fox's Book of Martyrs on Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:34 | #

Breivik is a brave man and a martyr.

The selfless sacrifice that Breivik made - and the fact that he has to stand the best years of his life incarcerated as the price of martyrdom - is appalling.

As for the reds, I really couldn’t care less.


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Posted by Selous Scout on Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:31 | #

Breivik paved the way.

I’m sending postcards from California. And plotting the next move.

Despite what you eggheads want to believe, it will, eventually, come to this.

It’s inevitable.


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Posted by James Bowery on Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:46 | #

Altruistic punishment of extended phenotypes is almost certainly doomed to failure.  Extended phenotypes aren’t ‘traitors’.  They are robots.  They are not people.  They cannot be reasoned with.  They cannot be terrorized.  Employing terrorist tactics against them is only a little less futile than scolding a worker bee for stinging you, as it slowly dies—its gut ripped out by its “heroic” act of self-sacrifice—its pleasure centers stimulated.

At best, in this kind of situation altruistic punishment is mere indulgence in a human foible—a human foible that is ruthlessly exploited by the masters of psychological warfare who, of course, will not hesitate to use terrorism themselves if it is appropriate but who, of course, have much greater power psychological tactics at their disposal.  You think you can ignite a firestorm of other terrorists by committing an act of terrorism? 

More likely you will be indulging base hedonism—dolling out altruistic punishment for the neurophysiological rush.  That is a state in which you are vulnerable to being manipulated.

And here, I’d like to offer a word of defense of these would-be terrorists:

There exists no leadership that has provided them with a declaration of war establishing a clear goal around which to organize—let alone strategy within which objectives can be formalized, hence tactics employed, to achieve those objectives. 

The people are desperate and few, if any, genuinely “feel their pain”.


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Posted by Sal on Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:53 | #

Posted by Selous Scout on August 25, 2012, 09:31 AM

Are we talking an SHTF?  I am preparing with my family, but there is only so much we can do.


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Posted by Desmond Jones on Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:47 | #

Altruistic punishment of extended phenotypes is almost certainly doomed to failure.

Unless they seek martydom…Bobby Sands for instance or John Brown.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/17/ira-hunger-strike-fleet-street


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Posted by jamesUK on Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:51 | #

for his deeds in Stockholm and on the island of Utøya on 22nd July 2011.

I take it you meant Oslo.

As for Breivik his strategy rested on the fact that the authorities would overreact and organise a security crackdown on far/nationalist groups like the US after The Order’s crusade in the US that lead to a series of blunders culminating in the OKC bombing that never materialised due to Norway’s hands off approach focusing exclusively on Breivik and his actions. 

If he was savvy he would indicate that his ideas had support within the police service hence the delayed reaction to the Utøya massacre rather than this phoney Knights Templar terrorist network. 

 


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:17 | #

Good spot.  Oslo it is. I’ve edited accordingly.


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Posted by Breivik on Sun, 26 Aug 2012 06:40 | #

Much better odds the Anglo individualistic tactic of feminine submission to enslavement as a race GW.


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Posted by Captainchaos on Mon, 27 Aug 2012 01:27 | #

I’m sending postcards from California. And plotting the next move.

Why are you sending out postcards and talking openly about it on the internet then, numbnuts?

________________________________________________________________________

They are robots.  They are not people.  They cannot be reasoned with.  They cannot be terrorized.

Horseshit, Bowery.  You only say this because you have become hopelessly jaded and misanthropic.  If there was an actual network of capable Norwegian insurgents prepared to wage a protracted campaign of terror, and not merely the lone egotist and nihilist Breivik going out in a one-off blaze of glory, then the lefties would soon learn to keep their heads down.

indulging base hedonism—dolling out altruistic punishment for the neurophysiological rush.

Kinda like the revenge based fantasy of implementing single deadly combat.  LOL

There exists no leadership that has provided them with a declaration of war establishing a clear goal around which to organize—let alone strategy within which objectives can be formalized, hence tactics employed, to achieve those objectives.

You don’t listen to Radio Free Northwest, Bowery?


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Posted by Captainchaos on Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:31 | #

the lone egotist and nihilist Breivik

I’m sorry, I meant to say “the digital fabrication known as ‘Breivik’ which was created by the international Jewish banking conspiracy”.  LOL


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Posted by bebo on Mon, 27 Aug 2012 03:17 | #

Kinda like the revenge based fantasy of implementing single deadly combat.  LOL

You always needle Bowery about this. It’s like you want him to snap and challenge you or something.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:36 | #

The white race has reached an evolutionary bottleneck (to use the often inappropriate biologistic language popular around here). Most of the race will either be wiped out, or, more likely, gradually miscegenated into extinction. We cannot prevent this eventuality because ethical antiracism still holds sway among whites, while, simultaneously, genetic aliens physically colonize ever larger tracts of European lands. Even if one day, after patient philosophical and theological analysis and its widespread dissemination, a majority of whites come to recognize the ethical acceptability of race-based immigration restrictions, they may yet not accept the justice of alien repatriation (the ethics of keeping out versus forcible removal are distinct). Even if the last white race patriots are willing to racially cleanse their territories, they may (I think will) come to find that they no longer possess the physical means to do so. 

Majorities of whites have succumbed to a type of mass psychosis, another episode (albeit the final, fatal one) in our race’s long and risible history of producing utopian ideologies and movements. Even if a substantial percentage of our people do awake, they will find themselves too racially mixed, too few and too geographically integrated with aliens to be able to “take back England” (or any other country).

All the historic white nations are doomed to extinction, less because of the power of the alien, than the apathy if not antagonism of the native. Even those few virulent racists who have emancipated themselves from antiracist propaganda may not wish to endanger their lives or families or liberty, or even just pensions or investments, by engaging in violent contests for territorial racial supremacy. Of course, the West will now only remain itself through cleansing warfare (Breivik, to his credit, understands this). But how many white men, faced with a choice of hard, uncertain battle, or peaceful collective euthanasia, will choose the former? Remember, conservative reactions can always buy time by mitigating alien savagery, even as the race quietly miscegenates itself into oblivion ...

White Zion remains the only answer. Either race-conscious whites colonize a sovereign territory in which they can become the majority; do eventually gain majoritarian power; and then proceed to create a teleological racial state - or the race’s extinction is a forgone certainty.


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Posted by James Bowery on Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:23 | #

bebo, if Captain Chaos weren’t merely trolling, one could chalk his behavior up to abysmal reading comprehension of what I’ve written—perhaps willfully abysmal at best.  However, in this case there is an important point he, perhaps inadvertently, raises that is important to my general case for natural duel (which he calls “single deadly combat” for reasons that are too arcane to go into at the moment):

Our young men have very strong feelings that are rightfully being elicited by what they see.  The problem is that the current environment is so far removed from anything one might consider “natural” that the reactions those feelings naturally elicit are maladaptive.  In a natural, or at least restored, environment of evolutionary adaptedness, those reactions would have a “fair” chance of being adaptive.  Even here, however, there are two kinds of adaptedness:

Group and individual.

At the group level of selection, the altruistic punishment benefits the group at the expense of the individual.  Contrast this with a king whose individual interests are more closely approximated by the group’s interests (see “Putting Nowak et al in Perspective with The Extended Phenotype”).

In the present circumstances, altruistic punishment instincts don’t even benefit the group Breivik supposedly stands for—a truly sadistic double bind created by civilization’s ruthless evolution of ever more-sophisticated mass-manipulation via group selection.

In the naturalistic setting, however, we can at least let these instincts for punishment (altruistic and self-serving) play their evolutionary roles and—in so doing—more clearly see the conflict between group selection and individual selection.

As for CC’s hypothetical network of Norwegian insurgents, I addressed that potentiality when I said:

There exists no leadership that has provided them with a declaration of war establishing a clear goal around which to organize—let alone strategy within which objectives can be formalized, hence tactics employed, to achieve those objectives.

The first thing you need for an open source insurgency is a “plausible promise” that unites and directs action—however decentralized. That is the equivalent of a “declaration of war establishing a clear goal around which to organize”.  Given such a declaration, we have a very different story and I brought this up for precisely that reason.

Are there _any_ individual tactics that can work in the present situation?  Perhaps it is better to ask if there are any individual tactics involving destruction that are, at least, unlikely to be damaging to one’s own group in the current situation?  Desmond Jones points to suicidal martyrdom (hunger strike) as a plausible option for those who might otherwise be tempted to go suicide-bomb a bunch of robotic slaves.

Is there any “plausible promise” out there that is sufficiently plausible and promising as to elicit self-organization of an open source insurgency?

Not as yet, so far as I can see.  Perhaps Daniel’s DNA nation declaration upon which he and I are working has a shot at leading to such a plausible promise but we’re a way from it now.


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Posted by Illegal Aryan on Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:09 | #

Anders Breivik- CGI Creation

Shouldn’t the 18 identical camera flashes, as well as the momentarily disappearing microphone off of a guard that walked in front of him, suggest that Breivik as a false-flag conspiracy isn’t totally out of the question?


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Posted by jamesUK on Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:46 | #

Shouldn’t the 18 identical camera flashes, as well as the momentarily disappearing microphone off of a guard that walked in front of him, suggest that Breivik as a false-flag conspiracy isn’t totally out of the question?

Lol! That is as shitty a theory as the no planes/hijackers CGI on 9/11.

Seeing how the international press where taking photos and filming the opening day of the trial I guess they are part of the conspiracy as well. 

 


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Posted by jamesUK on Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:51 | #

Proof that Europe is facing an immigration invasion is BS as I have said before Scandinavian countries have some of the toughest immigration policies in the world. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/8492822/Denmarks-immigration-laws-save-country-6-billion.html


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Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 28 Aug 2012 03:07 | #

Are there _any_ individual tactics that can work in the present situation?  Perhaps it is better to ask if there are any individual tactics involving destruction that are, at least, unlikely to be damaging to one’s own group in the current situation?  Desmond Jones points to suicidal martyrdom (hunger strike) as a plausible option for those who might otherwise be tempted to go suicide-bomb a bunch of robotic slaves.

Is there any “plausible promise” out there that is sufficiently plausible and promising as to elicit self-organization of an open source insurgency?

The comparison between Breivik and Sands is an interesting one, imo, because Sands’ death elicited an outpouring of sympathy, from the media in the US, continental Europe and to some extent England, despite the fact that Sands probably murdered or aided the murder of innocents or robotic slaves (depending on your view point). Why is sympathy garnered for a psychopathic IRA killer, who subsequently starves himself to death, and not for Breivik? Is it because the Irish Catholics reached victim status as a group and the Norwegians have not? How much suffering do the Norwegians need to endure before such status is acclaimed.


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Posted by uh on Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:26 | #

If there was an actual network of capable Norwegian insurgents prepared to wage a protracted campaign of terror,

If one were something like a millionaire in this helter-skelter, multicultopian world of ours, one could certainly make a less fruitful investment than channeling funds / small arms into the hands of European nationalists, particularly in Germany. Single deadly combat it isn’t, I know ...

 


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Posted by A Swain on Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:56 | #

JamesUK

“Proof that Europe is facing an immigration invasion is BS as I have said before Scandinavian countries have some of the toughest immigration policies in the world.”

Your link is not proof with regards to every Scandinavian country of which Denmark is merely one so stop peddling mistruths.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:40 | #

Push your fantasies, people, you’ve been betrayed by your own genetic side. If a race wishes to commit suicide (or is indifferent to its extinction), NOTHING CAN BE DONE.

The ONLY hope is the ingathering and future sovereignty of the non-suicidal elements of the race. Anything else is just playacting.


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Posted by Q for Haller on Tue, 28 Aug 2012 21:14 | #

White Zion remains the only answer. Either race-conscious whites colonize a sovereign territory in which they can become the majority; do eventually gain majoritarian power; and then proceed to create a teleological racial state - or the race’s extinction is a forgone certainty.

Would you bring your part-Mongoloid girlfriend into the White Zion?


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Posted by Selous Scout on Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:50 | #

Why are you sending out postcards and talking openly about it on the internet then

Because I want them to know I’m not intimidated.

Plus, I’m totally, openly contempuous of the motherf*ckers.


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Posted by CS on Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:52 | #

Q For Haller,

I’m guessing Haller’s GF will not be invited. The Whitopia may be the only way to go. Look at what whites did in South Africa where a better case for creating an all white country in the SW and separating from the rest of South Africa could not be made. The fucking idiots bent over and now face potential genocide (the physical extermination ala Haiti kind). Maybe in the future something big will happen and allow us to reclaim at least some of our countries for ourselves but as time goes on this may become less and less a possibility. I would like there to be a in a worst case situation a physical place and country I can retire to and help build up in twenty years or so.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:04 | #

My Eurasian GF most certainly should not be admitted, though that would only be effected once a critical WN mass had been reached such that we make the rules, at least wrt immigration policy. Initially, the WN patriotic front couldn’t keep her out, should the democratic authorities of whatever current nation is targeted as WZ choose to admit her.

Note: WNs don’t have to constitute an absolute electoral majority in order for them to determine the immigration policy of the “WZ-to-be”. If WNs came to comprise as little as 20% - maybe even 10% - of Australia, I bet we could force a return (functionally, if not rhetorically) to the old White Australia policy, if only because the native majority is hardly wild pro-immigration. In democracies, highly motivated special interests tend to determine public policy, especially when majorities are broadly sympathetic to the direction the special interests want to go.

The bottom line of WZ is that WNs remain too globally dissipated as well as atomized to be an effective resistance to One Worldism and global race-mixing. Five fingers are not a fist.


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Posted by daniel on Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:32 | #

..
Leon, I hear your sentiments gravitating more toward the Euro-DNA Nation - and I don’t see why they should not, especially given that it is not mutually exclusive to other strategies.


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Posted by Hymie in Afula on Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:19 | #

>>> My Eurasian GF most certainly should not be admitted

If Hitler could find a rationale to allow Japanese into the Third Reich, then probably your lady friend could be adjudged to be as qualified for guest residency. No one can show me a country that doesn’t have a visa bureaucracy.


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Posted by Hymie in Afula on Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:28 | #

Also worth noting:  Those who want their Idaho-redoubt White Nation to never see a Eurasian face, might change their mind the first time their kids want to get a visa to California to enter a surfing contest.  Then they will be writing their WN congressman to advoacate for normal-real-world type of visa-mutual-recognition that the real world operates upon.


The real world is ALWAYS a lot less “pure” than armchair philosophers of the Internet imagine.  Afulans were not really happy about getting an influx of Ethiopians or of Russian Orthodox folks, but in the real world, we found a way for life to go on.


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Posted by uh on Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:52 | #

Would you bring your part-Mongoloid girlfriend into the White Zion?

ONLY if she brings her friends.


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Posted by Thorn on Thu, 30 Aug 2012 00:30 | #

Afulans were not really happy about getting an influx of Ethiopians or of Russian Orthodox folks, but in the real world, we found a way for life to go on.

Maybe if you F’ing Hymies would practice what you preach, viz-a-viz “diversity is our strength”, like you demand us to do, then you f’ing satanic hypocritical “joooz” would enthusiastically accept a couple of million Nigerian and or Somalian moooooslime immigrants into the Jewish State. But you F’ing Joooz don’t practice what you preach. The fact is: MOST of y’all are from the Synagogue of Satan… ironically, most of y’all are well aware of being a force for evil! BUT Y’ALL DO IT ANYWAY! AND DELIGHT IN IT! Fuck off you disgusting leftist jews! GO TO HELL!

PS,

I learned the aformentioned about the said evilness of leftistt jews from a Jew. Guess which one.


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Posted by voip on Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:14 | #

http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1109886_re-os-us-iran-ct-did-a-u-s-government-lab-help-israel.html

Re: [OS] US/IRAN/CT- Did a U.S. Government Lab Help Israel Develop Stuxnet?

Released on 2012-08-26 00:00 GMT
Email-ID 1109886
Date 2011-01-18 14:35:07
From .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
To .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
List-Name .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

We can’t loose site of the Mossad penetration and theft via industrial
espionage, meaning the U.S. fell victim due to shoddy oversight, govt
contracts, etc.

The high-tech areas in CONUS (to include Austin) are crawling w/Israeli
operatives, false flag companies and agents of interest.


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Posted by coily on Sat, 01 Sep 2012 23:36 | #

“Also worth noting:  Those who want their Idaho-redoubt White Nation to never see a Eurasian face, might change their mind the first time their kids want to get a visa to California to enter a surfing contest.  Then they will be writing their WN congressman to advoacate for normal-real-world type of visa-mutual-recognition that the real world operates upon.”


You mean they won’t just be able to cross any border they like and be catered to like illegals? No problem, Whites will invent “skin cloaks” that make us look like non-Whites. When we are within our own borders and have no need for subterfuge, we’ll turn the cloaks off.

“Afulans were not really happy about getting an influx of Ethiopians or of Russian Orthodox folks, but in the real world, we found a way for life to go on.”

Why not? Isn’t diversity a strength?


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Posted by Selous Scout on Sun, 02 Sep 2012 03:58 | #

contemptuous


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Posted by Lurker on Sun, 02 Sep 2012 18:29 | #

We can’t loose site of the Mossad penetration and theft via industrial
espionage, meaning the U.S. fell victim due to shoddy oversight, govt
contracts, etc.

Dear me - ‘loose’ and ‘site’ tut tut.


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Posted by Hymie in Afula on Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:34 | #

>>  Why not? Isn’t diversity a strength?

We Hebrews here in our actual homeland are not reponsible for what anyone does anywhere else. Murder them or jail them; it’s not my problem. If we were, than anyone could get a free lunch off of us just by claiming to be a “Jew”. I am no under no more obligation to help them than you are to help Afrikaaners who are in the middle of being ethnically cleansed -  and the world clearly sees that you are not.


Be careful of what you do ==here==. We are heavily armed.  Our teenage girls are better riflemen than you.


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Posted by Robert Reis on Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:44 | #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz3YxFbrwsY

No one wants to talk about Anders Breivik….( the victim ) Fascinating



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