How not to do a hatchet job on the BNP

Posted by Guessedworker on Thursday, 28 May 2009 09:34.

First, please listen to a ten-minute sound-file on Simon Darby’s blog.  His post is titled Sunday Times Donates £5,000 to Solidarity Trade Union.

This details the BNP’s judicious handling of a dodgy £5,000 donation back in January.  It was made out to Griffin personally and was claimed to come from an elderly female party member.  Griffin recognised it immediately as a set-up and donated the money to Solidarity Trade Union. 

Now look at what the fearless and upstanding investigative journalists Fiona Hamilton and Sam Coates of The Times have made of it:

Mystery of the BNP’s general election war chest

The British National Party is facing an inquiry into its funding after its leader, Nick Griffin, paid a £5,000 political donation into his personal bank account without declaring it.

The party’s finances came under scrutiny yesterday after it declared donations with the Electoral Commission of £21,132 for the first quarter of this year. No donations were declared between March and December last year. It has pledged to spend £500,000 campaigning for next week’s European and local elections alone.

Under Electoral Commission rules, donations in excess of £5,000 to political parties and in excess of £1,000 given to party members to be used for political activity must be declared ...

Fiona Hamilton has anti-BNP form.  Coates appears to focus quite a bit on party funding in general.  Yellow journalists both.  The story involves setting up a fictitious BNP member and a chequing account.  It must have taken least five to six months in the planning, which gives you some idea how much premeditation has gone into the wider media onslaught.

Meanwhile, the beat goes on.  David Cameron has come out all guns blazing at the BNP - no doubt just a consequence of his present embarrassments.

UPDATE

From the BNP website, an article revealing:-

Angered at being exposed in this way, The Times and The Daily Mail have retaliated by making the absurd claim that the Electoral Commission is now investigating the matter after their Communist Party sources claimed to have reported it.

The BNP [Lee Barnes, actually - Ed] has been in direct contact with the Electoral Commission this morning. That body has confirmed that there is no investigation into the BNP, and that they have no intention of launching any such investigation.

The role of the Electoral Commission is to investigate donations made to political parties. They have no interest in ‘investigating’ donations given to private individuals which are then passed on to non-political parties.

Tags: Journalism



Comments:


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Posted by Bill on Thu, 28 May 2009 11:26 | #

Meet Jim

I’d like you to meet my neighbour, Jim.  I’ve known Jim for nigh on 50 years, we’re not in each others pockets as nearby neighbour’s, but we bump into each other occasionally and have a natter as you do.

Such a time came only a couple of days ago, Jim lamented that we didn’t chat more often as it had been several weeks since we last talked.  Pleasantries over, I directed the conversation to how things were in the world, he agreed that things were looking grim.

Now Jim is an Englishman through and through, dependable, not given to excitement, fair do’s is what Jim’s all about. He doesn’t ask for much, he doesn’t complain, is law abiding, enjoys his darts and a pint down at the pub, pays his dues, he served his stint as a NS in Malaya, no favour from him is is beyond asking.  Jim is a good man straight and true.

Britain is made up of millions like Jim.

After we had agreed things were indeed grim, I shot the question, ‘what do think of the BNP?’ a grim look of concentration gripped his features, he looked at me and said, ‘they’re a bit extreme’ I rejoined they were not half as extreme as the effing shower in power, he thought hard and long.  He didn’t retract his opinion. 

Agreeing to disagree, we parted company saying we mustn’t leave it so long next time.

I slowly strode my way back to my house, replaying over in my mind what Jim had said.  Jim reads the Sun, despite my protestations, Jim didn’t get it.

Damn the bloody media!!!


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Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 28 May 2009 11:33 | #

A week or two ago Martin Wingfield told a very similar story about his father-in-law, who is also a Sun reader.

http://martinwingfield.blogspot.com/2009/05/sun-falls-from-grace.html


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Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 28 May 2009 12:55 | #

I think also, Bill, that the Jim factor won’t come into play unless he feels so strongly about the BNP that he will go out and vote against them specifically.  Cameron himself has said “vote for anybody else, but vote.”  I think they are gambling everything on a high turnout.

I would not be at all surprised to find them using the expenses embroglio in this effort.  So we could see the European elections presented as a referendum on “change”.


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Posted by EX-TORY on Thu, 28 May 2009 15:30 | #

It is worth knowing how the BNP are performing in comparison with the other so-called far-right parties of Europe.

The British National Party (BNP) is expected to win 7 seats in the European elections. The eurosceptic and faintly anti-immigration United Kingdom Independence Party currently has 12 seats.

Italy has the Northern League and the National Alliance (AN). The latter currently has 9 MEPs.

France has the National Front (FN) which currently has 4 MEPs (previously it had 7). It is expected to lose 1 seat.

Belgium has the Flemish Interest (VB) which currently has 3 MEPs. It is expected to make gains.

Austria has the Freedom Party which currently has one MEP. The Freedom Party and Alliance for the Future of Austria are expected to make gains.

Germany has the Republicans and the Germany People’s Union. They will be competing with each other for the radical right vote, ensuring that neither party wins an MEP.

Denmark has the Danish People’s Party (DFP) which currently has 1 MEP. It is expected to make gains.

The Netherlands has the the Freedom Party (PVV) of Geert Wilders which is expected to win seats.

In Sweden the Sweden Democrats and the National Democrats will be fielding candidates. They are unlikely to hold any seats.

Finland has the the Real Finns party which has a chance of holding a seat after the election.

Portugal has the Portido Popular which currently has two MEPs; it expected to keep them.

Spain has five different ‘far-right’ parties which will be competing for one seat and unlikely to win it. In 2004 their combined vote was about 1 percent.

Greece has the Golden Dawn which will share the ballot paper with LAOS. The latter currently has one MEP.

Poland has the League of Polish Familities which currently has ten MEPs.

Latvia has the Osipova Party, the All for Latvia, and the LNNK. The latter currently have 4 MEPs.

Slovenia has the Slovene Nation Party (SNS).

Slovakia has the Slovak National Party.

Czech Republic has the National Party.

Hungary has the Jobbik Party.

Romania has the Greater Romania Party


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Posted by EX-TORY on Thu, 28 May 2009 15:49 | #

What has Mr. Lowell achieved so far?


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 28 May 2009 16:32 | #

Soren I had somehow gotten the idea that part of the punishment meted out in Lowell’s conviction (on “hate speech” charges, lest anyone think he actually did anything whatsoever wrong!), in addition to the two years’ suspended sentence, was he was ineligible to run in the election.  I can’t believe I didn’t know he was running!  That’s GREAT NEWS!  Had I known he was running I would’ve been talking him up a lot more these past few months.  I CAN’T BELIEVE HE’S RUNNING!

HEAR THAT, ANY MALTESE READING THIS?  GET THE HELL OUT THERE AND VOTE FOR THE MAN, THE ONLY MAN, WHO WILL WORK TO SAVE YOUR BEAUTIFUL, SACRED ISLAND, AND YOUR BEAUTIFUL, SACRED MALTESE PEOPLE, SAVE THEM BOTH FOR YOU AND YOUR POSTERITY, AND FOR THE REST OF EUROPE OF WHICH THEY ARE AN INTEGRAL AND INDISPENSABLE PART!  VOTE FOR NORMAN LOWELL!  DO IT FOR YOU AND FOR YOUR LOVED ONES, DO IT FOR MALTA, DO IT FOR EUROPE, DO IT FOR US HERE IN AMERICA, AND DO IT FOR THE ENTIRE EUROSPHERE WORLD! 

DO IT!  THE EUROSPHERE, THE WORLD, WILL BE WATCHING YOU ON ELECTION DAY!


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Posted by Bill on Thu, 28 May 2009 19:20 | #

How far have the BNP progressed since the London mayoral elections?  I would say they have progressed by leaps and bounds, but not particularly by anything the BNP has done.  Their progress has been courtesy of the mainstream party’s shooting themselves in both feet.

The economic crisis, British jobs for British workers fiasco, politicians expense furore, and the general malaise among the British people that Britain is unravelling, has given the BNP (and others) a wind assisted passage.

Had the BNP not had this good fortune, then I would say their progress would be more modest but the steady march forward would continue.  I think it’s progressed beyond the silent revolution stage.

So combining the two thrusts as it were, the BNP should be set for a creditable performance.  Anything more than that will be a welcome bonus indeed.

I think it is accepted now that the London elections for the BNP were disappointing, the anti labour vote going to the Tories was smack in the eye for the BNP.  All things being considered, I think the BNP will take some of those London Tory votes back.

The unknown unknown is, how intact will the BNP emerge after receiving such a kicking?  I think they will emerge stronger and with credit, they are not yielding, their confidence is growing by the day.  Slowly they are going on the offensive and all in all it is becoming an engaging spectacle.  I think we’ve moved on from 1940, there is a hardening resolve setting in for the long haul, there’s an atmosphere building, you can feel it almost on this site.  Goodness knows where it will all end up.


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Posted by Dan Dare on Thu, 28 May 2009 21:45 | #

Rather tellingly even some on the home team, obviously fearing a spate of late own-goals, wish the media and the mainstream pols would pipe down about the BNP, to wit this piece in Spiked Online from Mick Hume. Older lags may remember Mick from his days at the helm of the now-defunct Marxism Today.

When all else fails, bash the BNP

But then, just when we were getting concerned that everyone might be drifting off-message, along comes the Socialist Workers Party with its ritual bashing effort. A remarkable effort even by there standards, this piece exceeds all Antifa Brigade slogan quotas by fitting in no less that ten‘Nazis’, eleven‘Fascists’, and eight‘Hitlers’ in little more than 1000 words.

Black and white unite - Stop the Nazi BNP

Although a little light on racists (five), no Mussolinis or Himmlers in view, and inexplicably lacking any references to gas chambers or the H, the SWP does finish quite strongly, in warning the variegated faithful that:

... one thing unites us – if the BNP ever took power we could all end up in concentration camps.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 28 May 2009 23:37 | #

“Older lags may remember Mick from his days at the helm of the now-defunct ‘Marxism Today’.”  (—Dan Dare)

LOLOL


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 28 May 2009 23:40 | #

“if the BNP ever took power we could all end up in concentration camps.”  (—quoted by Dan Dare)

What are we in now?  The next thing to it!


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Posted by Britannia on Thu, 28 May 2009 23:47 | #

I just caught the tail end of the BBC’s Question Time and guess what?...5 parties represented (no BNP of course), all of them having a dig at the BNP.  Each one took pot shots one after the other.  As usual they had a group of bewildered leftist sheeple of all shades in the audience with loud clapping after each dig.

Of course the BBC is not impartial in the slightest!  They must be bricking it…lol


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Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 29 May 2009 00:49 | #

I wonder if we should not all take the advice of C.U.N.T. and shout “Heil Griffin!” whilst giving stiff arm salutes.  Unless, that is, Griffin is MI5’s bought bitch.


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Posted by 369goose on Fri, 29 May 2009 10:13 | #

O/T sorry.

Tell JRichards the news, he has it all ass-backerds:

AND THIS brings us to perhaps the greatest irony of the West’s collusion with the Arabs and Iran in their war against the Jews. The logical outcome of the twin delusions of anti-Semitism - that Jews are all powerful and that the Jews must be cut down to size - is the destruction of Israel. And if that happens, the West will find itself in jaws of the Islamic jihadists they have been feeding the Jews to for four decades.

The West’s subversion of the Israeli elite has fomented a situation where many Israeli leaders have embraced their anti-Semitic views of Israel. Leaders like Livni and Olmert, and the media and academia in Israel, have largely accepted the notion that Israel is to blame for the global jihad. Today these leaders uphold Jewish weakness as an ideal. The longer these Western-supported elites remain in power, the larger the chance that Israel won’t attack Iran and that Israel will allow itself to be destroyed in the interest of pursuing “peace” with Palestinian terrorists.

And if Israel is destroyed, the West won’t be able to depend on us Jews to fight and die for them anymore. They will be all alone.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1222017478856&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer


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Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 29 May 2009 10:34 | #

And if Israel is destroyed, the West won’t be able to depend on us Jews to fight and die for them anymore. They will be all alone.

LOL!  If only!


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Posted by Bill on Fri, 29 May 2009 11:15 | #

I raised an eye-brow at an interesting comment I skim read (and then went back for a second look) over at Simon Darby’s blog.

The comment said this long running saga of the politician’s expense furore, was no less than attempt (by the left) to strike at the very heart of British politics.  Exactly what he meant by that seemed to be left to the reader’s imagination.

Interesting I thought.

I cannot persuade myself that the Telegraph’s demolition job was a blow for democracy -  As they claim.  It’s funny the BBC are more gung-ho than the DT.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 29 May 2009 11:39 | #

Britannia,

Here is the BBC Question Time replay.  Move the slider onto 45 minutes 15 seconds and sample Daniel Hannan (Conservatives) flogging civic patriotism, Caroline Flint (Labour) tossing her mane and flogging the Single Market, Jo Swinson (Libdem) dishonestly claiming that she can defeat BNP arguments on the doorsteps, the Medvedev lookalike Nigel Farage claiming that UKIP is not a corpse and also not the BNP, the irrelevant Green woman flogging Marxism, and PY Gerbeau who is a well-known business frog.  As to why the business frog is present instead of Nick Griffin one can only guess.  My guess is that the BBC is institutionally traitorous.

All the panellists were engaged in not really answering a question from a brown person: what alternative to the corrupt Establishment do voters have but those evil, evil Nazis?  Why brown?  Is it unacceptable to hear the panel answer a white male?

It seems there might have been a few BNP supporters in the audience, because Farage received some booing.  But none of them were picked out by Dimbeby to comment.  He asked a couple of clueless women instead.

A fix, of course.


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Posted by Bill on Fri, 29 May 2009 13:20 | #

BBC No enemy to their left.

I wonder what it would be like to be a fly on wall at the BBC.

The newsroom, children’s programme planning, Newsnight, political discussion, selecting audiences, camera briefing, (I shouldn’t think they need briefing) and so on, and so on.  I have this vision of pimply face ginger haired kids, straight out of Uni, giggling and sniggering as the put their programmes together.  I don’t think I’m far wrong.

I was watching Newsnight last night, which was bog standard fayre.  My better half of nearly fifty years declares she would rather watch QT, which was a no brainer really because she knows I draw the line at watching QT.

I said to her “What’s the point?”  “What do you mean? - What’s the point?” she asked.  I explained that it would be the same people talking to each about the same thing,  “How can that be?” she queried.  I started to explain that no matter what you watched on BBC it was the same who no matter who was talking to whom, or what was being discussed or being pontificated about.  These people were clones of each other and allowed no input from those not privy to their thinking.

She gave up in exasperation.  She thinks the BNP are evil.  She is my canary in the mine, she has given up trying to figure what I am on about.  I head for the door, I’m off to bed.

Aside.  I’ve commented on female radar wavelengths before.  I’ve come to the conclusion they are colourblind, culture blind, oblivious to all of what goes on here.  To them the tidal onslaught is just people like us looking for a better life, let them come - there’s plenty to go round.  They see no threat whatsoever.  Women will vote for Cameron in their droves (same as Obama)  It’s going to be a real problem at some point.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 29 May 2009 14:17 | #

”I’ve commented on female radar wavelengths before.  I’ve come to the conclusion they are colourblind, culture blind, oblivious to all of what goes on here.  To them the tidal onslaught is just people like us looking for a better life, let them come - there’s plenty to go round.  They see no threat whatsoever.  Women will vote for Cameron in their droves (same as Obama)”  (—Bill)

We all know there are exceptions, but apart from those, women see nothing beyond the following four categories:  interpersonal relationships, romantic love, babies, and shopping and yes that includes women who think they’re so smart like Naomi Wolff who is nothing but a Jewish bimbo of the most blatant kind, in the fullest sense of the word bimbo.  (Sorry, Naomi, but someone had to tell you.  You can shut up now.) 

Women do not see race.  (Yanks, please don’t cite Linda Gottfredson for me, I know all about her.  I know there are extremely, extremely, extremely rare exceptions.  I know that.) 

You can and should have women’s suffrage but if you expect to simulataneosly have and keep the things men know as nation and race you’ll have to put certain iron-clad constitutional protections in place against clueless women voters organized and led by opportunistic Jews bringing the whole shooting match known as human civilization crashing down around your ears quicker than you can say <strike>Jake Rabinowitz</strike> … <strike>Jack Robinson</strike> … Jacqueline Robimbosdaughter.

I know all about the exceptions.  Ilana Mercer may be one, I’m not sure.  Here are a couple more (the second one below is Jewish by the way, and as far as race is concerned defo has her head screwed on frontwards:  this Latte Island is a good, good, good woman, solid gold):

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/05/21/silver/#comment-12261

http://latteisland.blogspot.com/2009/05/latest-trend-in-jewish-suicide.html

Do I want women to be more like men?  No, but just hurry up and get those constitutional protections in place, OK? — oh and, uhhh—be sure to make them IRON-CLAD, all right?  Now we’re talking!


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Posted by White Preservationist & Zionist on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:01 | #

369goose: And if Israel is destroyed, the West won’t be able to depend on us Jews to fight and die for them anymore. They will be all alone.

HA…“if Israel is destroyed” and/or slowly falls apart millions of former Israeli Jews will just start flooding in to Europe, Australia, the USA/Canada, and some White South American nations (Argentina, Uruguay, etc) as ‘refugees’ seeking a new country in which to live along with all kinds of welfare from us (food aid, free/subsidized housing, total medical care, free clothing & furniture, etc).  And of course they’ll eventually want our White jobs too, as well as our prime White real-estate, our White banks, our White media, our White universities, our White legal system, and so on.

The the last thing that we pro-White activists want or need are more parasitic Jewish nomads wreaking havoc in our White countries

I’M A PRO-WHITE ACTIVIST WHO IS A ZIONIST IN THAT I SUPPORT ISRAEL AS A PERMANENT JEWISH HOMELAND - LONG LIVE ISRAEL!


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Posted by DRS on Fri, 29 May 2009 18:33 | #

Guessedworker wrote:

the Medvedev lookalike Nigel Farage

He looks more like the grinch to me.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 29 May 2009 18:57 | #

A man like Daniel Hannon, by the way, really and truly doesn’t belong in the Tory Party.  He badly, badly, badly needs to defect to the UKIP (I’d love to see him in the BNP but, bright as he is, he’s not quite that bright I don’t expect — you’ve got to be genuinely top-notch intellectually, the cream of the cream, to be up to BNP standard, but certainly UKIP is a better, more appropriate, more dignified place for a good man like that than the swine pen known as the Tory Party).  Save yourself, Daniel, save your soul, keep your dignity intact, your self-respect, and get the hell out of that filthy party!


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 29 May 2009 21:17 | #

In this video are seen certain stark differences between the Tory Party and the BNP,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cj067CucUc :

Councillor Richard Barnbrook of the BNP forthrightly puts questions to Conservative Mayor Boris “Race-Replacement R Us” Johnson about the dwindling white population of London, and in so doing does not shrink from hard facts or delicate truths and does not resort to euphemisms as a screen to hide behind, but talks frankly in plain language about race and what today’s London demographics portend for the future.  See Johnson then hem and haw as his strategy instead of answering, in order to buy time until Councillor Barnbrook is finally cut off and squelched by a Negro, on grounds his time had run out (had run out thanks to Johnson’s deliberately running out the clock with evasive non-answers).

There is your Tory Party.  And there is the BNP.  Take your pick but be careful not to pick wrong:  this will be the most important choice whites will have made of any over the past ten thousand years.


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Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 29 May 2009 22:28 | #

what alternative to the corrupt Establishment do voters have but those evil, evil Nazis?

I dunno.  Maybe the “revolutionary philosophy” of accepting “legitimate gene flow” from niggers is the alternative.  We all know those filthy g-ddamn “Krauts” would never go for it.

Why brown?

My question exactly, nothing much “revolutionary” about that.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 29 May 2009 23:51 | #

CC,

What’s eating you?  All this stuff about Krauts and genetic purity.  The Kraut thing, I imagine, is a failure to comprehend the sparring that is customary among Europeans.  You know, the frogs call us “les rosbifs” and the Krauts “les boches”, while the Krauts, or some of them anyway, call us ““Inselaffen”.  They’re all at it.  Welcome it.  We do.  It is part of being European.

The gene-flow thing is about drawing a line - it has to be drawn somewhere.  Negros served in the Roman legions.  If you want to eliminate the present-day owners of a negro gene or two you’ve got to whistle out maybe one person in a hundred in Britain.  Don’t fancy that?  Then where do you draw the line, and on what ethical basis?


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Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 30 May 2009 00:56 | #

GW,

So long as we ourselves triangulate against and pathologize National Socialism, which was and is the most muscular means at our disposal for securing the existence of our race, we place ourselves in our enemies hands and not in our own.  Even moving the locus of victimhood from Jewry to other Europeans is flawed.  Why?  Because of the near annihilating force with which they fell upon Germany, lending credibility to the conviction that Germany had no choice but to fight.  Also, the “General Plan East” scenario does not seem to stand up to close examination, like so much else that passes for our received truths about the second World War.  Further, the systems against which they fought have crept along to their logical conclusions at which lies the death of our people unless interdicted.  We cannot say with a straight face that ‘we will do whatever we must to remain forever ourselves’ whilst snipping snidely at National Socialism.  I know, there is philosophy, but what if it is too little and too late, then what?

It is part of being European.

I’m sure, but there cannot continue to be this cancerous induced guilt attached to Germans, and by extension us all, as a result of what was, all things taken into consideration, not a greater crime in its being than the way in which it was destroyed and what came in its wake.  There will never be anymore fratricidal European wars, and there must not be, for this time it will be the end.

Then where do you draw the line, and on what ethical basis?

The admixture Britons have from Negro Legionnaires is near millenia old, not recent.  Any recent admixture of non-European blood, not even to mention non-northwestern European blood, is not acceptable in my opinion.  We must close the doors and never open them again - not even a crack.  With power, the lemmings with agree as wholeheartedly with that as what is fed to them now.  Really, as Nietzsche said, it is before no witness but ourselves.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 30 May 2009 01:03 | #

“the systems against which [Nazi Germany] fought have crept along to their logical conclusions at which lies the death of our people”  (—CC)

Correct, and fundamental to understanding the XXth Century.


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Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 30 May 2009 01:11 | #

Now, the militarized intensity which is essential to National Socialism is, I believe, neither sustainable nor desirable.  Let a new philosophy of life fill the minds and hearts of our people by which a million flowers will bloom; when it can.  But one does not prudently bring a knife to a gun fight.


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Posted by Armor on Sat, 30 May 2009 01:16 | #

Women will vote for Cameron in their droves (same as Obama) (—Bill)

White women went for McCain anyway. Here are the results I found on the net:

Obama received 41% of the White male vote (vs. 57% for McCain)
and 46% of the White female vote (vs. 53% for McCain).

Women do not see race. (—F.Scrooby)

Much of the problem is that they are more conformist, less interested in politics, and more vulnerable to racial propaganda and the lack of common sense free speech in the media. But the perverse ideology of mass immigration is not a woman’s idea.

Also, women probably understand better than men that being in the street late at night is safer if the population is white.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 30 May 2009 01:46 | #

CC,

I certainly reject the effort to airbrush German arrogance and violence towards the weak out of the WW2 record book.  Hitler’s regime was Janus-faced, and the face it showed those in the camps and in the occupied territories to the East was not one of which any German or German-American should be proud.

There was no true philosophy in NS.  Or there was nothing true in its philosophy.  There was justification, nothing more.  And arrogance and violence were pleased to justify themselves by the dicta of social darwinism and Aryan supremacy.  Are these muscular?  Really?  The English of the 1930s thought they were odd and probably dangerous ... certainly nothing to do with the Anglo-Saxon sensibility.  That seems even more true today.

There will be fratricidal wars as long as continental leaders dream dreams beyond their national estate.  And as long as leaders do that, England will oppose them and fight them if necessary.  That is our interest and our historical role.  We are peaceful when the continent is peaceful.

You, like Desmond, probably surmise that I bear animus against Germany and Germans.  I do not.  I bear animus against the air-brushers.  Let us carry our national crosses, all of us.  Germany’s is heavy even without the Jewish efforts to weigh it impossibly down, but that is not anyone else’s responsibility.


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Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 30 May 2009 02:17 | #

I don’t know, GW.  Northwestern Europeans, or “Aryans” is you will, all things considered, quite obviously are superior, but also morally superior.  I cannot help but feel within my own skull some kind of intense grinding of gears that portends a breakaway from what is good in us, and from what we are, and hence a breakdown, when thinking in that vein.  Perhaps NS is best left buried.  And what it could have achieved was killed at what may have been Ragnarok.  So be it.  Let us do what we can, with what we still have.  And if it be not enough, let us die with honor, knowing we were too good for this world. 

There seems to be no profit in discussing or thinking about it further.  Heels become dug in and the fratricidal thing begins anew.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 30 May 2009 02:35 | #

Armor, if only men could vote would the political center shift further away from race-replacement than it is at present?  If it did, would political parties field slates of candidates less supportive of race-replacement than they field at present?  The candidates were McCain and Obama.  Would the same two have been the candidates if women couldn’t vote, only men could?  Does the fact that half of voters are clueless left-leaning women pre-determine the election outcome in the sense that it pre-determines the kind of candidates the parties will field going into the elections, so that in a sense the fix is already in prior to the vote?


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 30 May 2009 02:52 | #

The Jews are only two or three percent of voters (or whatever the Jewish percentage is), but let’s imagine Jews were fifty percent of voters.  Would that fact predetermine the politics of the candidates fielded by the major parties contesting the election?  Yes, it would shift all candidates toward the “pro-Jewish-interests” end of the spectrum.  You’d get Jews being offered at least one candidate they genuinely preferred and white men forced to settle for voting for “the lesser of two evils.”

Now, actually that’s a bad example, because we already get slates of candidates shifted toward the “pro-Jewish-interests” end of the spectrum, as a result not of the size of the Jewish electorate, which is tiny, but of the amount of money Jews, especially wealthy ones, contribute to politics.  They buy the process to make up for their lack of numbers in the population.  So, a better example would have been the Mexicans:  imagine Mexicans were fifty percent of voters in the U.S. (and imagine they actually voted on Election Day — at present only a relatively low percentage of eligible Hispanics here actually go out and vote).  That fact would shift the politics of all candidates fielded by the major parties toward the “pro-Mexican-interests” end of the spectrum.  Mexicans would get at least one candidate they genuinely preferred and white men would be forced to settle for the lesser of two evils.


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Posted by q on Sat, 30 May 2009 02:58 | #

Politicians’ positions are a direct reflection of the special interest groups, or lobbyists, that fund their campaigns. And who are the special interest groups with the most media control and money that fund them?

To ask the question, is to give the answer.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 30 May 2009 03:00 | #

My point being you can’t then point to the election results and say, “See?  This is how women voted.”  How would they have voted if their pre-election influence on candidate selection and on party platform-writing committees didn’t exist, so that perhaps a frankly anti-race-replacement candidate was fielded?  Maybe zero percent of women would vote for him.  The actual election statistics we saw reflected how women’s vote split between candidates women already potentially liked, because party advisors wouldn’t allow another kind of candidate to run, given that women are half of voters.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 30 May 2009 03:08 | #

“OK, so why did as many white men vote for McCain as did?”

Maybe candidate selection and the drafting of party platforms being constrained by women’s tastes left men without someone they genuinely liked, so forced them to vote for the lesser of two evils?


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Posted by q on Sat, 30 May 2009 03:19 | #

“OK, so why did as many white men vote for McCain as did?”

Most white men (in the USA) are liberal beyond reason or hope - Occam’s Razor.


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Posted by Svigor on Sat, 30 May 2009 05:07 | #

The trouble with blaming white women (not that anyone did, but I have to hear this from the Jew, er sorry, the “Scots-Irish” Man of Many Names at Steve Sailer’s blog day-in day-out and it gets old) is that women are hardcore lemmings.  White women will fall right in to line with ethnic nationalism if white men buy into it wholesale.

Women are not actors on the political scene, men are.

And Scroob, women do see race insofar as it intersects one of the four things you mentioned that they do see, which is why women are far more “racist” in dating than men.  I mean let’s face it, if they were actually race-blind in their relationships, 80% of black males not in prison would have a white woman on their arms.


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Posted by Desmond Jones on Sat, 30 May 2009 07:14 | #

Cap, The English would do well to remember Fichte:

From this internal boundary, which is drawn by the spiritual nature of man himself, the marking of the external boundary by dwelling place results as a consequence; and in the natural view of things it is not because men dwell between certain mountains and rivers [or country lanes; cottage small or field of grain] that they are a people, but, on the contrary, men dwell together—and, if their luck has so arranged it, are protected by rivers and mountains—because they were a people already by a law of nature which is much higher.

The English have long forgotten that they themselves owe their existence to that same German resistance:

It is they whom we must thank—we, the immediate heirs of their soil, their language, and their way of thinking—for being Germans still, for being still borne along on the stream of original and independent life. It is they whom we must thank for everything that we have been as a nation since those days, and to them we shall be indebted for everything that we shall be in the future, unless things come to an end with us now and the last drop of blood inherited from them has dried up in our veins. To them the other branches of the race, whom we now look upon as foreigners, but who by descent from them are our brothers, are indebted for their very existence. When our ancestors triumphed over Roma the eternal, not one of all these peoples was in existence, but the possibility of their existence in the future was won for them in the same fight.

The English, the newly chosen, had forgotten, in their arrogance, that the German people were the messiah. Now they are condemned, it appears, to suffer the consequences.

The numbers of non-Europeans in Britain have been growing steadily since the   British Nationality Act of 1948 conferred the right of citizenship and abode on all members of the British Commonwealth and Empire.

This trend is shown in Table 4 taken from the census returns of 1951, 1961, 1971 and 2001, and projected forward in time to 2031 and 2061. We see that the non-European population increased around ten fold from 1961 to 2001, and about 4.5 fold from 1971 to 2001. The projections extrapolate the 4.5 fold increase over the 30 year period from 1971 to 2001 forward to 2031 and again to 2061. We see that the numbers of non-Europeans are projected to reach around 15.5 million by 2031 and 70 mi1lion in 2061.

Over the same period the numbers of white can be projected to decline because whites have approximately 1.6 children per couple. The effect of this is likely to be that the numbers of whites will decline from around 55 million in 2001 to around 34 million in 2061. Hence by 2061 about two thirds of the population of Britain will be of non-European origin, while about one third will be white.

http://www.vdare.com/lynn/090520_race_differences.htm


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 30 May 2009 09:43 | #

CC,

There is no problem with one race being superior to others, even in some quite general way.  The problem is with the justifications certain people take from that.  Acknowledging one’s talents is not the same thing as enslaving the lesser-talented.

Perhaps NS is best left buried.

It was killed in 1945.  The historical and psychological conditions which spawned it can never return.  It is part of the discussion now, that’s all, and is neither to be buried as such nor taken for a sound vehicle.

CC, look hard and critically at the people whose true motive is not the fourteen words but is the redeeming of the reputation of Germany and the Third Reich.  I’m not saying that historical revisionism is not useful.  Like any people, Germans deserve the truth to be told about themselves, and not to be seen through a web of half-truths and propaganda.  And, obviously, the Jewish presentation of absolutely any European people, even those who fought Germany, as irrational demon-seed always a fraction of an inch from judenhass and genocide has to be <strike>shoved back where it came from</strike> attributed to the paranoia that fathered it.

To that extent we can make common cause with those German-Americans like Friedrich and maybe Alex who are striving to redeem the Third Reich, and thereby we can live up to the mantra of “No enemy to the right”.  But we really can’t let these guys lead us around by the nose.  We are addressing, or endeavouring to address, the real meat of the issue.  Stick to that unwaveringly.


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Posted by Dunkanoion on Sat, 30 May 2009 13:02 | #

It was killed in 1945.

National Socialism has clearly lived on in the post-1945 era!

Examples:

The Socialist Reich Party (probably the best example)

and

The World Union of National Socialists

and also

Social Nationalist Party (Arab Nazis! shock )

As for National Socialisms possible worth in the contemporary world one could check out the works of Kmac:

MacDonald concludes that the National Socialism of (Nazi) Germany was not only a reaction to but a ‘mirror image’ of what Jews were doing. The similarities, he says, lie in the common focus on genetic purity (and endogamy), eugenic practices, cooperation within the cohesive ingroup, and hostility to and denigration of outgroups

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Reviews.htm

Also: Can the Jewish Model Help the West Survive?

... It would seem that if one were to connect the dots that according to a reasoning out of KMacs work that National Socialism as a ‘mirror model’ could still be useful in this day and age!!


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Posted by Lurker on Sun, 31 May 2009 03:08 | #

Fred, I didnt realise that was where the name came from. I thought ‘Fred Scrooby’ was a fictional character - from a book.

Is this the Scrooby in question?


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 31 May 2009 04:15 | #

None other, Lurker.



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