Every way you look at it there’s only one guy to blame Yet another study verifies the knowledge we gain through experience:- Blacks tend to be prideful and self-inflated.
So blacks typically have higher self-esteem than their white counterparts. However - in typical fashion - the results of the study have been interpreted through the lens of egalitarianism which, like its optical counterpart, reverses reality:-
Or perhaps they are perfectly comfortable with their level of achievement and view things like “grades” and “standards” of success simply as white incursions. However, I believe the award of most inane comment goes to a Ekow Eshun former editor of Arena magazine:-
Apparently, the more successful Black people are, the more obstacles they have to overcome. They simply graduate to more antagonistic and harsher milieus with every increase in personal status. Wow! Condoleeza should be proud; she must have navigated a veritable army of Klansmen to obtain seating in the halls of power! (In addition to having had an oil tanker named after her – although conveniently renamed to avoid embarrassment for Operation Iraqi Liberation) So to summarize:- 1) Black failings are the fault of a systemically, racist public either consciously or unconsciously hell-bent on throwing down roadblocks to negro achievement. 2) High self-estimation of Blacks is evidence of a systemically racist public. 3) Less-than-high self-estimation of successful Blacks is evidence of a systemically racist public. According to Trevor Phillips, Greater London Authority Chairman, we must ask ourselves: “You have to ask what these schools are doing to make these children underachieve.” The only acceptable answer is for white Britons to get out of the way of that ol’ freight train of proud black achievement. Let them follow the high moral example of their always self-sacrificing and by no means grabbing or monopolistic elder brothers in egalitarianism. For example, on the other side of the pond the Jewish Daily Forward carries the headline, “Billionaire Boychiks Battle for Media Empire.”
OK, Zell is not black exactly. But he could be prideful and self-inflated. Thank goodness there is no opportunity for whites to cynically infer that any “knowledge gained through experience” applies in this case. The SEC is ensuring strict fairness in the bidding process by allowing media mogul David Geffen (CA) and Eli Broad (CA) in on the action. Have no fear of all those stars of David. We are assured by the Forward that:-
So, we can expect a wide variety of Semitic thought. Maybe someone will answer that age-old question of whether or not a Swiss cheese and chicken sandwich is Kosher. Daniel J Comments:2
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:13 | # happiness differences between whites and blacks are rooted in genes, not environment. Anthony Blair says not.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,2055148,00.html Decima Francis, re-interprets Powell and pronounces that the disproportionate levels of black crime in ol’ London town are definitely not down to genetics or culture. 3
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:00 | # Maybe wealth is less of the determinant here than a combination of testosterone and intelligence. As regards the latter, an unexamined life might not, as someone once said, be worth living. But to the liver of that life it might be just fine and dandy. 4
Posted by jlh on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:09 | # Self-esteem is largely a function of serum androgens. I assume most here are familiar with Rushton’s continuum: blacks highest, asians lowest, whites in the middle. As for the self-esteem of the higher-achieving blacks being lower than what you’d expect, I’d say that they would represent the higher IQ/lower androgen end of the population, and that in addition to hormonal and cognitive causes, they reason that their success depends on affirmative action and feel insecure about it. 5
Posted by ben tillman on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:53 | # Apparently as blacks climb the social ladder their self-esteem lowers…. No, no, no. It stays the same or increases.
The gap disappears because white self-esteem goes up with income more than black self-esteem does. 6
Posted by ben tillman on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:02 | # I thought black self-esteem was lowering and white self-esteem was staying the same. That seems to be what the more “scientific” statement of jlh is saying as well…. JLH was trying to rationalize your statement. The article’s characterization of the study contains nothing to suggest that black self-esteem decreases as income increases. It’s possible, but the article doesn’t suggest it. 7
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:04 | # ben, If high self-opinion is a function of negro-levels of serum testosterone production, then it may be that a decline in self-confidence attends ageing. I believe Rushton’s model showed that black/white ST levels were on a par in later life, which is when earnings would normally be at their highest for successful men. 8
Posted by Amalek on Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:03 | # This is not new. Michael Levin mentioned black adults’ higher self-esteem in “Why Race Matters” ten years ago, suggesting that the so-called legacy of slavery (from which they were freed in the USA largely absent their own efforts, as a byproduct of economic warfare between white blocs) did not seem to have lowered the negroes’ spirits all that badly. High self-esteem is a function of the black man’s evolved deficiency of foresight and empathy. As Levin wrote, the interior life of the average negro male is characterised by ‘impulse-ridden fantasies’. We observe a pervasive childishness, a continual surrender to the spurious glamour of celebrity. Black kids all think they’ll grow up to be rappers, sports stars, DJs and suchlike. Their clothes, their ‘bling’, their body language and cursing all testify to their ineradicable childishness: what Darwin identified 150 years ago as the African’s ‘happy go lucky’, eternal-adolescent quality. Their mores and appearance exhibit a dread of maturity as white bourgeois people understand it. Here is an amusing practical example of how blacks habitually show off, to their own cost—when buying cars: http://gladwell.typepad.com/gladwellcom/2006/12/the_lunatic_fri.html David Hume’s verdict 250 years ago has acquired more force from the experience of emancipation, and the endowment of these beings with ‘civil rights’: There never was a civilized nation of any other complexion than white, nor even any individual eminent either in action or speculation. No ingenious manufactures amongst them, no arts, no sciences. On the other hand, the most rude and barbarous of the whites, such as the ancient GERMANS, the present TARTARS, have still something eminent about them, in their valour, form of government, or some other particular. Such a uniform and constant difference could not happen, in so many countries and ages, if nature had not made an original distinction betwixt these breeds of men. Not to mention our colonies, there are Negroe slaves dispersed all over EUROPE, of which none ever discovered any symptoms of ingenuity; tho’ low people, without education, will start up amongst us, and distinguish themselves in every profession. In JAMAICA indeed they talk of one negroe as a man of parts and learning; but ‘tis likely he is admired for very slender accomplishments, like a parrot, who speaks a few words plainly. 9
Posted by JB on Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:03 | # Solving The African IQ Conundrum : “Winning Personality” Masks Low Scores
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Posted by JB on Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:10 | #
religion my @ss. Does the overtly homo liberal David Geffen regularly goes to the synagogue or asks his boy prostitutes to read him passages of the Torah ? do jews really believe their own bs ? 11
Posted by MensaRefugee on Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:13 | # Its obvious. In a black’s mind everything they see around them is potentially what they created or can create. They dont have the general intellectual capacity to ponder the existential questions like “Am I just a moocher or potential creator of the world I see around me?” For Whites and E.Asians it is painfully obvious that to maintain society they need to understand it and perpetuate it - it is not a ‘given’ and the question of whether they measure up is salient. Superimpose on that genetic differences in personality and the picture is complete. Post a comment:
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Posted by Bo Sears on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:58 | #
ABOUT THE SELF-ESTEEM GAP
One of the things that is problematical about the term “self-esteem” is that it has been made to stand for so many things that it almost stands for nothing. Resisting Defamation has been using another phrase for over a decade which avoids unearned pride & irrational self-assessments, and pinpoints what Europeans and European Diasporans might find a reasonable definition, namely, that each child has “the right to a decent sense of self-respect.”
Okay, that’s longer than “self-esteem,” but it includes a better way to talk about an important quality we want our children and grandchildren to have. That others may have a wildly misplaced “self-esteem” is not our problem.
1990 AAUW STUDY
In early 1990, the American Association of Uiversity Women carried out a study about this phenomenon and found that young European American girls were a full 30 points below their African American and Latina counterparts on a 100 point scale.
Young European American boys were similarly lower in this quality than their non-European American counterparts, but not as low as European American girls.
NEW YORK TIMES
The New York Times (January 9, 1991) in discussing the AAUW study, pointed out that, “Among girls, race is apparently a factor in the retention of self-esteem, the survey found. Far more black girls surveyed were still self-confident in high school compared to white and Hispanic girls, and white girls lost their self-assurance earlier than Hispanic girls.”
1978 SSSP STUDY
The October 1978 Journal of the Society for the Study of Social Problems discussed this racially-based differential and pointed out that African Americans were “significantly more likely to have high self-esteem” than European Americans, and that European American girls and women “have significantly lower self-esteem than any of the other groups.”