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Four speeches from the London Forum meeting of August 10th Sam Swerling, former Chairman of the Monday Club and Conservative Party Councillor, on the doctrine of National Preference: Markus Willinger of Generation Identitaire, providing a general introduction to this new movement:
Laslo Virag, of the Hungarian Traditionalist School, on the criteria of the right:
Ruben Rosiers, formerly of Vlaams Blok, on Syria and the turn of the tide for the New World Order.
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Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:29 | # Are whites ever going to achieve any substantive, lasting national patriotic victories? The answer is not under present racio-territorial configurations. I spelled this out several years ago here at MR. The nonwhite victory over whites is due to psychological maladaptiveness among large segments of the white population, which either embrace ‘diversity’, or are indifferent to it (and perhaps to all political matters, at least until their effects get violently shoved in their faces). White patriots struggle to overcome this innate white group defect, but coincident with our information struggles (which have both intellectual and sociological components), the demographic invasion continues. I have repeatedly referred to this race against time using the “ripening harvest / encroaching jungle” metaphor. We are losing this race, and I suspect will continue to do so, simultaneously losing control over ever more white territory, which in turn diminishes our survival prospects. The only solution to this is White Zion. Either those psychological entities predisposed to race-patriotism geographically ingather to the point that we can form a demographic/ideological majority within some politically sovereign territory, or our race (and Western Civilization, which follows the race, and can only be sustained by it) will go extinct, through eventual miscegenation or perhaps simple extermination. 3
Posted by Dude on Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:30 | # A localised version of reclaimed territory is being suggested in the following, it may, perhaps, be a step towards such a thing, although I doubt it. 4
Posted by Max Musson on Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:35 | # @Dude:
Why the expression of doubt? 5
Posted by Dude on Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:18 | # Max, I am not referring here to the Bugle Call idea; the doubt refers to any transition between the PLE idea in the UK and Leon’s desire for the ‘white Zion’ - taking over of another country. It is conceivable that once the community has coalesced that it might be able to respond to such an opportunity should it ever arise (for instance Kemp’s ideas in Eastern/ Central Europe), but I think that is an unlikely scenario. 6
Posted by Dude on Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:23 | # BTW I know some of your Spring’ers went last year, will you be attending the above conference this year? 7
Posted by Leon Haller on Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:17 | # For the record: I prefer many particular European ethnonational resurgences over “White Zion”, which is really a North American idea (or at least formulated with us ‘across the pond’ in mind). Europeans have every moral right to seek the total racial cleansing of their homelands (and the physical ability to effectuate that right, if so desired, and at least for the moment, though that ability is diminishing rapidly), and I do believe that whites as a race and civilization will live or die in Europe. However, I also believe that Europeans will not get their collective racial act(s) together, for the reason alluded - the race war at present is a War of Psyches, a struggle within our race between different innate mental configurations. I cannot prove this scientifically (I think the state of the relevant science is insufficiently developed, though it seems clear to me that I am proposing a plausible scientific hypothesis: ideological choices, especially concerning visceral, foundational issues, are substantially genetically influenced, if not literally determined), of course, but the hypothesis does fit the data of the past half-century. I’m old enough to recall the pre-internet era, and to remember my initial excitement at the possibilities for bypassing the MSM and recruitment this then new media technology represented. That optimism proved to have been unwarranted. Despite constant MSM multicult propaganda, whites no longer have to wallow in ignorance about race. [Many of you younger race patriots seem not to realize how incredibly difficult it was, as recently as the early 90s, to get accurate racial information, or to access pro-white moral and political arguments.] Yet, contrary to my expectations, the mass-explosion in white consciousness that I always thought would occur if we could just get our message out never happened. I am led, therefore, to a genetic explanation. Those whites innately receptive to pro-white arguments have been awakened, thanks to this new technology. But it turns out that only a minority of whites are so receptive. [Note: I do think that whites of an earlier generation would have been more receptive, so this mental receptivity to racial truth must involve some kind of gene-environment interaction relationship.] Will a majority of whites in any sovereign country ever be racially awakened? Or is it more likely that even multiculturally ‘backward’ white nations (say, in Eastern Europe) will eventually catch up with the West in terms of racial ‘enlightenment’? I fear the latter. In all white nations there exist racially healthy whites, but we always seem to be in the electoral minority. Even as this ecologically bizarre predicament (too) gradually changes due to the failures of ‘diversity’ gaining ever greater exposure and awareness, the absolute numbers of our alien colonizers across all white nations continuously increase through ongoing immigration. Hence the ‘race against time’ metaphor. White awakening vs nonwhite colonization - which will triumph? All evidence suggests the latter, that by the time enough whites have been awakened to constitute a political majority under earlier white-majority demographic configurations, they will no longer constitute an absolute electoral majority, due to the deliberate, treasonous addition of nonwhites. Thus, my prediction that only White Zion (racial ingathering of anti-diversitarian whites so as to constitute a political majority within a sovereign polity) can save us. I sincerely hope I am wrong wrt Europe, but I know I’m (obviously) correct wrt whites outside of Europe. Are we ever going to reclaim North America for our race? The idea is, if perhaps still barely possible physically, politically, economically and morally ludicrous. To restore white hegemony to the US would require a civil war which virtually no one, including even highly racially patriotic whites like myself, wants. The scale of human and economic losses is simply too great, especially when the alternative is a relatively less unpleasant racial euthanasia. Of course, white Americans, especially ‘color-blind’ conservatives (but even including at least some brainwashed liberal dolts), will bitterly come to regret our racial blindness. Some of this is happening right now, as many conservatives who were formerly indifferent to white patriot pleas and/or silent about our concerns are now openly opposing the mass-amnesty being considered in Congress. Ordinary whites will only grow more receptive to our message as conditions worsen, and thus the future of white patriotism is relatively bright, at least when considered as a movement, and not a set of policy preferences. But it will all be too little, too late to arrest our racial decline. As has been said by others, we either “separate or die”. But that separation, to be enduring, must involve the acquisition of sovereignty. Anything less will prove to have been only a stopgap. 8
Posted by DanielS on Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:42 | # I liked Markus Willinger’s speech - many good thoughts and ideas there. I’ll give it another listen and I look forward to hearing the other speakers as well. 9
Posted by DanielS on Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:47 | # Pardon, that was Sam Swerling’s speech that I was referring to. Must give Markus’ speech a listen yet.. 10
Posted by Leon Haller on Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:41 | # I think MR has died. I feel like one of the last hangers at a latenight party, with dawn cracking, and me the most sober. Been there before, too many times. GW, if you decide to shut down MR (and I certainly wouldn’t blame you), could you give your readers a week’s notice? I’d like to scroll through the posts and gather up some of my better comments. Thank you and good luck. 11
Posted by Melba Peachtoaste on Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:13 | # Mr. Haller, you are a swine. A leathery swine. 12
Posted by Englander on Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:24 | # I think GW is concentrating on the Daily Telegraph comments. I see he’s very active there. I do miss the updates here. I’m sure he’s reading… 13
Posted by Silver on Fri, 23 Aug 2013 22:14 | # Haller, If it hasn’t died it’s undoubtedly on its last legs. More perceptive commenters (not me, not by a long shot) saw it coming as far back as eight or nine years ago. Really, by the time free rein was given to the “cartesian” dipshit its goose was cooked. The blame lies squarely with GW himself. (If he wasn’t the proprietor of this blog, how much attention would you honestly—honestly—pay his blather?) It hardly matters. The kind of race talk that was once the sole preserve of a tiny handful of WNish outfits can be found across a wide swath of the blogosphere today, where basic WNish assumptions are accepted uncontroversially (if you’re not aware of this you need to expand your horizons). That certainly does not translate into anything like organizational efficacy but a cultural reorientation was always going to be a prerequisite to any serious organizational effort anyway. Whatever the moronic naysayers thought, you were clearly head and shoulders above the typical MR commenter (which, given some of your analytic blind spots, isn’t quite the compliment you may think) , so from your perspective it’s understandable you’d be peeved at having to reestablish yourself elsewhere, but that’s the way the cookie crumbled. 14
Posted by DanielS on Fri, 23 Aug 2013 23:42 | # Silver, shit skin, go elsewhere. Take Haller with you. Good riddance. 15
Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:41 | # Silver, Thanks for the “I giveth here and taketh there” compliment. Not sure I agree with your timeline. When several persons first suggested I come here to comment (circa 2008), I found MR to be lively and vigorous. Perhaps it was already in decline from its halcyon early days, as you state (how can we get back to lists of the earliest entries? the internal search engine doesn’t seem to allow this anymore), but it was still a fine site. It seems to have declined substantially over the past year or two. I’ve mentioned this decline repeatedly, as well as made suggestions to reverse it. I think GW frankly has tired of it, and is now “actively” neglecting it. I still believe that MR has certain advantages in terms of physical layout that could yet make it a premier WN destination. But GW would have to adopt a much firmer editorial grip. Why not make someone else, like Dr. Lister (or intellectually serious others), an editor with comment deletion power, and a mandate to exercise it ruthlessly? I suspect that you and I would ‘survive’, and others could be induced to return. I warned GW of this. Allowing idiot posts would chase away exactly the intelligent and thoughtful types I assume he always wanted as discussants. Anyway, I hope the search can be amended to provide a comprehensive list of all posts from the beginning, as I do wish to scroll through the past and retrieve a number of my lengthier comments. [Are you listening, GW or Lurker?] 16
Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:11 | # Oh, as for “establishing myself elsewhere”, my focus going forward is on my own strictly academic production, which for several years will involve race-neutral topics in Christian moral theology as well as some “philosophy of religion” material. My work there is really for the purpose of establishing certain ‘background’ or foundational theories which will later serve as building blocks for my own original work integrating (as I’ve mentioned several times at MR) classical conservatism, Catholic natural law theory, and sociobiological (and more generally scientific) realism. I’m also very seriously considering starting some kind of White Zion Society or website to propagate and refine the idea. At the very least we American whites (esp conservatives, including colorblind ones) need to wake up to just how bad life is going to get for us in the coming white-minority USA, and begin formulating survival (or ‘empowerment’, or even mere ‘quality-of-life’) plans for dealing with it (I don’t believe whites will be exterminated en masse in the US in my lifetime - I will die in the 2050s or 60s, if lucky - so for whites over the next several decades, the main issues will not be bare personal survival, but rather, property and wealth protection, and fighting for career opportunities and professional advancement in an ever-more ‘affirmative actionized’ country). In other words, I’ve been web commenting as a personal mental release, and because I’m obviously obsessed with WN issues (as are most MR commenters). But, increasingly, how I want to spend my time in the future is, OTOH, doing fundamental work in moral theology and political philosophy, and, OTOH, doing something practical to advance white genetic interests (and note my time for these things may become very limited: once I finish my [allegedly nonexistent] PhD program, I don’t know what I’ll be doing, meaning I might have to go back to work in some kind of business capacity, as before, if I can’t obtain employment as either an ideologically neutral scholar, a pretense I can maintain for perhaps a decade, whilst I’m writing my major tome on Racial Ethics, or some kind of race-activist). Bottom line is that blogging is sort of addictive, but not the best use of my scarce time, I have to admit. So I don’t think I will be ‘reestablishing myself’ anywhere else. “Leon” Haller may very well disappear from the ether altogether (unless I start my own site, of course). 17
Posted by DanielS on Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:50 | # (unless I start my own site, of course)
Ah, this is more like it.. http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/hannah_arendt_far_from_innocent
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Posted by Dude on Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:29 | # A lot of quality has passed through, lingered and then moved along. The fault for this has to obviously do with the general level of output and management. Quality attracts quality. I think GW had wanted to assemble a small fraternity to form to pursue and eventually unlock the key to his Heideggerian fixation, authenticity and creating a philosophical lodestone. When that fell through, so did the reason for the investment of any time. 19
Posted by DanielS on Sat, 24 Aug 2013 19:40 | # MR is undergoing a transformation, not a death. It is primarily those who insist of babying the Hitler-world view who are incensed and have left. Smart as some of them were, it’s better without them. There is nothing wrong with German nationalism. There is nothing wrong with defending European people and nations against non-Europeans. What we don’t need is Europeans fighting each other, hence my own lack of regret at losing the Hitler folks - and I believe a lack of regret for anybody with any sense. Because Gdansk/Danzig seems to be near the heart of Hitler’s argument, I will put up an interview regarding Gdansk/Danzig of historian from the other perspective, but later: I don’t want people saying that I am overloading MR with my perspective.
GW will be putting up something substantial pretty soon
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Posted by Bill on Sat, 24 Aug 2013 22:15 | # MR’s lament - a British perspective. I’d just like to add a comment to the embryo rumbling debate concerning the current state of the MR website, viz-a-viz the creeping lethargy and disinterest. Much talent over the years has passed this way, eventually parting for pastures new, many simply having upped sticks and voted with their feet. The reasons for this probably being as varied as the numbers who have left. Much as I regret, in recent times this process has accelerated, my dwell time here gets shorter as the days go by, but just as it seems the end is nigh GW miraculously appears from nowhere and reignites the spark, but on each successive occasion the resuscitation effects become less and less. A feeling I have harboured since my involvement here has been the duality of its origins. I came to this website long after its beginnings and it took a long time to fathom not so much as what it was about, but who it was about. Was it an American blog or was it a British blog? I couldn’t fathom why there was so few British commenting her in comparison to those across the pond. It wasn’t until quite recently I read on a DT comment where GW said he owned an American Website,- and then all became a tad clearer. But not a lot. Anyhow, I never really felt from my British perspective the chemistry of the blog very successful, I didn’t remark on it, OK (perhaps tentatively - once) and thereafter kept my mouth shut, it was GW’s website, nothing to do with me. Why didn’t MR work for me? Putting aside I’m no intellectual, just being an ordinary guy having his say, it was glaringly obvious to me the Anglo American European thing was never going to work The two nation’s problems were chalk and cheese, only being overarched by the plight of European man as the common denominator. This fault line ensured the two sides never got to know each other, I still know as little about the situation over in America as when I first commented. The occasional British blogger who alighted here sensitivities winced at some of the American red meat comments, soon had them scuttling back from whence they came, MR was too rich for their blood and they never returned, a few did stick around for a while but not for long. I will refrain from giving my opinion regarding the never ending philosophising and subsequent draining away of useful lesser talent in their droves. Why couldn’t people see that. I suspect they did but didn’t really care, as those people weren’t welcome anyway. So in reality the blog remained an American dominated affair, I continued to post (thanks GW) whenever I felt I had something to say, but was always frustrated at the lack of British input. 21
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 24 Aug 2013 22:52 | # Majorityrights has been the BEST website I’ve have ever run across when it comes to discussing White interests/White EGI. It’d be a shame If GW lets MR wither on the vine. 22
Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 25 Aug 2013 07:57 | # Bill@20 Personally, I always wanted more British input. I came to MR originally as I was interested in a more global perspective on whitey’s plight. I especially liked reading ‘on the ground’ reports from the UK. The site did at one time seem to have many UK commenters: GW, Dasein, Dan Dare, Lee Barnes, Lister, uknleo, Paul Weston, and others I can no longer quite recall. Plus some intelligent Europeans. It’s hard building up a good online community. I explained this in part to GW. It requires a sense of mission, as well as a willingness to exclude those who don’t quite fit the level at which it is wished to conduct the discussions. GW refused to develop the former, and exhibit the latter. Also, a lot of the posts have just gotten too weird for many of us to take them seriously. Finally, maybe the First Wave of online nationalism has crested, and needs to regroup. People might be basically worn out with ‘talk’, and now want more direct involvements in meaningful political action. I agree with Dr. Lister’s opinion that there is a space for a serious metapolitical site devoted to ethnonationalist antiliberalism, especially with a non-American focus, and minus any particular set of hobbyhorses: Christian/atheist, JQcentric/race-centric, capitalist/socialist, determinist/indeterminist, etc. MR could have been that site, and perhaps it still could. But as I predicted quite a while ago, GW needs to make an affirmative and aggressive move in that direction. 23
Posted by DanielS on Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:07 | # Posted by Bill on August 24, 2013, 05:15 PM | # MR’s lament - a British perspective.
The concerns of British Nationalist and White American nationalist are not at all mutually exclusive. Of course there are differences but the concerns and sources of concern are similar and analogous enough so that I do not even know what people are complaining about when an American issue is discussed. It is clear that political agendas that have been foisted upon White Americans have close parallels in Britain and other European nations. And where there are differences, do tell! I am not the one to elaborate on British issues, have never even been there, but I certainly do not want to discourage discussion of British specific matters, on the contrary. But again, I think that all proper thinking European and White American Nationalists are moving in a parallel direction. It can be coordinated on the grounds that we all want sovereignty for our people and freedom from the imposition of anything approaching double digit, non-native immigration/imposition.
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Posted by dawn M on Sun, 08 Sep 2013 15:08 | # They did invite some funny ones didn’t they? We don’t actually see it but there was a rowdy in “Ruben Rosier’s” address. Post a comment:
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