Losing it. Getting it back. I was fourteen years old at the end of July in 1966 when, with my parents, I took my seat at Wembley Stadium to watch England win the World Cup for the one and only time. I’ve seen the match and, especially, the goal replays on TV so many times since, most of my memories of the actual game have been blotted out. But one memory that survives is driving away from the ground afterwards with the team page from the Daily Express’s World Cup Final Special pressed against a rear window of the car, so the residents of north London would get the message, if they had not already done so. Without ever considering the fact, of course, I had just witnessed twenty-two white men playing football in front of 94,000 white spectators, and now we were edging through the traffic in a Wembley populated by, as far as I recall, white people, my people. To the south-west, in Greenford and in Southall, there was an enclave of Indian immigrants, to be sure. But Wembley was still ours, and there seemed no reason to think it would ever be otherwise. That was four decades ago. Here is the situation today as explained, partially anyway, by Andrew Neather and recorded for us by the South Wales BNP activist Roger Phillips: The video is on the BNP’s website. A long thread is already appended, with comments like: “Slough is exactly the same, Reading and Maidenhead are due to follow” ... “And its exactly the same in South London, e.g Balham, Tooting, Lewisham, right through to Bow, Leyton and Walthamstow in East London” ... “Bradford Dewsbury large parts of Leeds…the list goes on” ... “We have two areas, here in Glasgow, called Govanhill and Pollokshields, both predominately Muslim, so much so, that it is unsafe to be there after a certain time of night.” About Wembley and, more generally, London, one BNP member notes:
And what should be the proper response to this political crime? Well, possibly not the BNP’s realpolitik. First, for me, mourning for what has been done to our people and our land. Second, a deep, cold anger that nothing can placate. Third, an unbending determination to undo it all - absolutely all of it, so that nothing, no detail however small, will speak treachery to posterity. Not the people who did this to us, not any part of the political structure they created, not the human tools they employed ... none of it must remain in place. This isn’t simply about our genetic continuity. This is about the completeness of our political victory, too. UPDATE - 4th November 2009 A new school of cinéma vérité appears to be emerging among BNP activists. This time it’s Peckham in South London going on Joburg, and the thread promises further visions of the MultiCult. I want to adorn this footage with an article written by the former editor of the Guardian, Peter Preston - a resident of South London and a man with the same perverted and puerile - and noticeably party-political - enthusiasm for English race-replacement as Andrew Neather. The article dates from April 2005, and the money quote is right at the end:
Well no, little Peter. You have had your way thusfar. Our turn will come, and it won’t be anything that you have seen before or ever want to see. But you are still only 71 now. If you live another 10 to 15 years you will see it. It will fizz. It will hum. It will free the English people. Comments:2
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:13 | #
Could not be better said. A related facet: if people think the other side necessarily gets to keep the gains it’s made, on grounds they’re impossible to reverse (exactly as the other side were hoping people would see things), people lose heart and the will to resist, for obvious reasons. When on the contrary people realize, “No, we don’t have to accept this, not one bit: we’re not defeated, but with effort can halt and reverse this,” it’s instantly as if a great weight has been lifted from their shoulders and they take heart and resolve to do whatever is necessary. 3
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:46 | # My point being the mere fact of stating we don’t have to accept it, but can halt and undo it, recruits a great many more people to our side who otherwise would’ve lost heart and resigned themselves to looming disaster. Everyone has to understand this is being done by men. It can be undone by men. (And the men doing it can be brought to justice.) 4
Posted by Wandrin on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:44 | #
It’s self-evidently treason and attempted genocide. The eventual Nuremberg will be very satisfying. 5
Posted by Angry Beard on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:55 | # It’s all a numbers game. 6
Posted by morticia on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:21 | # Look, do yourselves a favour and quit that hole called England. It’s not worth fighting for. Genes are all that matter. 7
Posted by John on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:18 | # “Look, do yourselves a favour and quit that hole called England. It’s not worth fighting for. Genes are all that matter.” Where do you suggest they go? Nearly all of Europe is overrun. Das Blut is rather difficult to maintain when you’ve surrendered den Boden. 8
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:28 | # Regarding Angry Beard’s and Dasein’s “cold hard look at the demographics,” yes, looking at those, it looks quite bleak and as if the other side have already succeeded in placing us before the irreversible fait accompli. But they haven’t: despite appearances, and despite what the other side wants us to believe, their fait is not yet accompli. Angry Beard and Dasein quote certain figures, but those figures in reverse were what the other side, the side wishing our race-replacement, encountered when they started their project decades ago, their project of turning us into Brazil. Those figures they at first encountered, namely the current ones in reverse, which they should have found daunting, were what they had to work with and what did they do? Did they give up, and say to each other, “This is impossible, we’ll never get these figures reversed — we’re screwed, might as well give up”? No. By deftly, singlemindedly waging demographic warfare (the real “Fourth Generation War” which, as is blindingly obvious, has been methodically waged against whites for decades although Lind is too stupid to see that) they managed to reverse those figures. White people are now under demographic attack in a demographic war. We are already in this “Fourth Generation War.” “Fourth Generation War” does not lie in the future. It is here and has been raging for decades. To paraphrase Lord Aragorn replying to King Théoden, Demographic War is already upon us. We didn’t know it before, so we weren’t defending ourselves properly. We know it now. Proper defenses can now begin, and not just defenses of course, but counteroffensive operations till the enemy’s advance be rolled back and the ground he has taken re-taken from him. Our ground. Ground that belongs to us. We can take it back. When new methods of war come along, the crossbow, gun powder and cannons, the maxim gun, the submarine, the bomber aircraft, the Blitzkrieg, the atomic bomb, they are studied by military men and new defenses planned and Demographic War is no different. That’s all that’s happening now: we’ve been under sneak attack and didn’t realize it, so have been losing. Now we realize it. We can study this new method of attack, adopt appropriate defenses, and stop losing, then start winning, as we roll back the other side’s offensive. This attack is being launched by men. It can be studied by men, as the Blitzkrieg was studied, and then defeated by men. The other side are not gods or some irresistible “force of nature.” They are men. They can be beaten. 9
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:41 | # One-third of Europe perished of the Black Plague. One-third of Central Europe perished in the Thirty Years’ War. Each time, Europe regrew from the remnant. If one-third of Europe is lost to miscegenation, Europe, the true unmiscegenated Europe, can recover from the unmiscegenated remnant and re-expand to take back its lands. If instead of one-third, half is lost, if two-thirds, if nine-tenths are lost, the true Europe can still recover from the unmiscegenated remnant and re-occupy its lands. Therefore, to those of you who miscegenate: your line will end. Only the unmiscegenated lines will go on. Just know that. 10
Posted by Q on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:43 | #
This is one of the most disgusting events ever to happen in human history, and its happening in every white nation. The nature of the war is demographics and our bought and paid for “leaders” chose to fight against their own kith and kin. It’s amazing what thirty pieces of silver and the temporary taste of power can do to a man’s soul….
If you think its bad now, wait until citizenship is granted to 15 to 25 million illegal aliens ... then comes chain migration. The bastards will win the tribal war without even firing a shot. 11
Posted by dfgdgfd on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:49 | # Britain is dead. Hole up and give up, or flee. Look, do yourselves a favour and quit that hole called England. It’s not worth fighting for. Genes are all that matter. Not when they’re hopelessly adrift. Our genes are going under. Go down with the ship or deal with it on your own. 12
Posted by SUCH on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:06 | # “This attack is being launched by men. It can be studied by men, as the Blitzkrieg was studied, and then defeated by men. The other side are not gods or some irresistible “force of nature.” They are men. They can be beaten.” Humans are one thing, but how does one destroy something like Pan Islamization with respect to profit/market forces? Killing/subjegation (to the rejoice of the shaheeds and everywhere)? In what way do you think post-colonialism plays a part in this? Why do you think immigrants aren’t compelled to stay in their own homelands and build there? “It might be that a democratic solution becomes impossible, but at least Whites will be in control of (or at least settled in) most of the territory in these countries when the system finally breaks down.” Is white flight detrimental, then? Or are the urban areas deemed too unfavorable? How have the practices of racially-restrictive covenants played a part in the urban decay and what part does gentrification play in all this? How do you see the system breaking down and how do you propose territory in these countries be governed? In reading about Celal Nuri, it seems many Islamic intellectuals still cling to this notion that the (or idea of the) Ottoman Empire is a vehicle for Pan-Islamization and one requisite for creating an East vs. West binary opposition favorable to the former. A reclamation of sorts as well, perhaps. 13
Posted by Dan Dare on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:04 | # This map, which is based on data from the 2001 census, vividly portrays the nature of the problem as it relates to Greater London.
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Posted by notuswind on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:27 | # Unfortunately, this phenomena is all too familiar to us White Americans. We lost many of our great cities several decades ago. 15
Posted by Alfred of Wessex on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:28 | # It is entirely probable that the situation is beyond remedy, at least on a human scale. However, those of us who love our country enough and are angry enough may have to grow the testicles to at least ensure that those members of the political, media and administrative elite responsible for formulating and carrying out one of the most wanton acts of betrayal of a people by its ruling classes pay for their treachery with their lives. 16
Posted by kurt9 on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:46 | # The ranting Iman and the Muslim Welfare Association makes a nice background to the video. I have heard that there is a huge mosque, that will accommodate 70,000 worshipers, being built near the Olympic village that is set to open shortly before the start of the 2012 Olympics. Is this true? The problem is not only immigrants, per se, but Muslim ones at that. 17
Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:52 | # From Spiro (Patrician Racist):
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Posted by Angry Beard on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:07 | # Fred, 19
Posted by It's Not Numbers That Matter on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:23 | # It’s not numbers that matter, it’s organization. Somehow Englanders need to find ways to organize themselves to repel the boarders from the swamplands around the world. As has been proven many times, a relatively tiny minority can swing the dead cat very effectively. It works both ways. 20
Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:54 | #
They’re Gaelic Irish. 21
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:10 | # It’s simple. We do it politically or we militarise. But we do it. No trace remaining. Not in our land or our blood. I predict that liberalism will fall and nationalism will succeed it, and the split thereafter will be between absolutists like me and pragmatists like so many of you. You should understand that it is the extreme who dictate the terms of the debate and the direction of ideological migration of the zeitgeist, and it is the extreme who see their programme turned into facts on the ground. We will do it. 22
Posted by re-torgeséþe 2066 (reconquesta 2066) on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:29 | # re-torgeséþe 2066 (reconquesta 2066) do it, england! 23
Posted by Fr. John on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:47 | # A government that would strip its’ citizens of their right to keep and bear arms in the wake of bestial behavior on the part of non-Englishman, is de facto no lawful government at all. I believe that was the Yanks’ comment, against a former sovereign of your’n. And, by mentioning the ‘final solution’ from the standpoint of the American Colonies in 1776, that doesn’t mean it can’t be applied there,[UK] as well as here. [US] It just means that a despotic ruler MUST be removed, no ifs, ands, or buts. Why do you think Obama’s election resulted in the largest sale of guns and ammo in the history of the country? he he. The times, they are a’changin.’ Deo Vindice, as they say in the South. http://thewhitechrist.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/whos-the-real-h8er/ 24
Posted by Dan Dare on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:38 | #
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Posted by Frank on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:49 | # morticia, if the English move, they’ll be displaced from their roots. Look at Aussies and Americans: they’ve been convinced they’re not Brits / whites. Move and there’s a good chance your descendants will severe ancestral ties and form a somewhat new nation. 26
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:58 | #
If it comes to that in future, maybe our chances of success will be good. For German-speakers: in a JungeFreiheit.de interview a couple of months ago, http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display.154+M54b5146ea5b.0.html?&tx;_ttnews[swords]=Martin van Creveld , Martin van Creveld, the prominent Israeli military historian and theoretician, discusses among other subjects his concept of “asymmetrical warfare,” saying that in future it will be the small irregular guerrilla-like forces that will prevail over standing armies, as the world has already seen happen in many instances since (to take one example van Creveld cites) the Jews kicked the British out of Palestine in 1947. (Of course, neither van Creveld nor this other military “genius” Lind of “Fourth Generation Warfare” fame, these two supposedly “brilliant” military minds, has grasped the reality of demographic warfare now upon us in all its force, that which is right now as we speak being waged to the hilt and is threatening to eradicate the entire Eurosphere in the worst civilizational cataclysm in human history — a pretty big blind spot these two “geniuses” have there …..) 27
Posted by Selous Scout on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:01 | # Kill them, drive them out, or surrender. There’s no other choice. 28
Posted by Fr. John on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:06 | # ‘Look at Aussies and Americans: they’ve been convinced they’re not Brits / whites.’
But you won’t, and you don’t. And the Deicides are engaged in a death grip over here in the USA in case you haven’t noticed. Can we at least agree not to ‘suffer a witch to live,’ and then get on with the executions? Please? 29
Posted by Captainchaos on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:20 | #
Spoken like a Kraut. But if we don’t win in America all bets are off. 30
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:21 | # Guessedworker, 31
Posted by Dan Dare on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:39 | # And I meant to add above, that almost every combat unit in the British army has now been cycled at least once through the Middle East in recent years. At the operational level that will have produced a hearty dislike for fuzzie-wuzzies just like that our forefathers developed during their own years of colonial policing. I don’t think there would be any shortage of willing helpers in conducting robust domestic policing action geared towards evicting unwanted intruders, should leadership emerge which wasalso that way inclined. Besides the military there are also of course large squads of auxiliaries in the form of football supporters and others in the WWC who are also not averse to a spot of Paki-bashing if the occasion should present itself. 32
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:45 | # Sorry to pontificate again, but I believe the best metaphor is of the frog being slowly boiled. 33
Posted by Dan Dare on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:00 | #
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Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:35 | # Angry Beard, You will never achieve anything if you cannot grasp the fundamentals of action and the demand for action. Reasonableness, pragmatism, realpolitik add up to ways we can spray air freshener while standing in a rat-infested house. I’m not interested in any of that. I am an inveterate scorched earth man, and I know that: a) Scorched earth must be the only demand, b) If we who are extreme are steadfast in our demand, then the earth shall indeed burn. This doesn’t mean that one relinquishes good analysis and subtlety of thought, or that one ceases to be a moral man. It means we decide for life for our people, and we do NOT compromise. On that, we can never, ever compromise. 35
Posted by GoyAmongYou on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:15 | #
JEW ALERT
SAME AS ABOVE 36
Posted by Mogie on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:59 | # LULZ I WERE TROLLIN’ AS JUDAEO-NEOCON OVER AT THE NATION TROLLING THE MOTHAFUCKING JUDAEO-COMMIES THERE. 37
Posted by Armor on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:07 | #
We’ll have new opportunities in the future. As white people become a minority, it will become harder to forbid racial solidarity between them. Today, the whites are kept in an inferior position and incapacitated by other whites. The anti-white policy is mainly enforced by white politicians, white civil servants, white journalists, white teachers, white judges, white policemen. The string pullers may be largely Jewish, but the enforcers are mainly white. As white people progressively get replaced by non-whites, the system will start working less smoothly, and I expect the white enforcers of anti-white policies will no longer be as efficient. The system cannot rely on nonwhites to brainwash a white minority into believing that race-replacement is good for us, and that non-whites are good-natured savages who have been victimized. I think the politically correct anti-white nonsense will cease to be enforceable long before the whole Western world turns into something like Brazil. As our culture breaks down, the violent ways of non-whites will rub off on white people, who will become less inhibited. White people will start to retaliate against violent attacks. It will become unstable. All the more so as the economy breaks down. Americans who know cities like Detroit should have an opinion about that. From what I understand, cities like Detroit have remained partly functional thanks to the many whites who still live in the suburbs? Maybe as early as next year, the anti-white political structure will collapse in Belgium or the Netherlands, and it will induce a chain reaction in the whole Western world, as happened to communism in Eastern Europe two decades ago. (In fact, it should have happened a long time ago!) If a pro-white revolution happens in one European country, it will be interesting to see how it tries to spread the revolution to the rest of the eurosphere. 38
Posted by Wandrin on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:06 | #
Exactly. A couple of points: It’s not us against a singular them. The invaders are split a hundred ways. If it comes down to machetes in the street and we’re outnumbered then yes we’ll probably lose. If it’s anything more technical than that then we can win against most of the invader groups at odds up to about 3:1 against or maybe even higher through brains, organisation and tactics.
If you can generate enough momentum then the underlying conditions will decide where that momentum eventually takes you - a bit like Mussolini’s march on Rome. 39
Posted by Wandrin on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:12 | #
Yes, another major fly in their ointment. 40
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:57 | # GW, As we used to say in school - “You and who’s army?”. 41
Posted by Lurker on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:31 | #
The multicult carries the seeds of its own destruction. What happens when the phone system breaks down intermittently, the lights go out, the police cant process paperwork properly (OK, even less properly) etc etc Angry Beard - I suspect that just as things get, seemingly, to the point of no return, thats when enough people will be galvanised, thats when all bets will be off. 42
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:13 | # Angry Beard’s defeatism — for that’s all it is, he may call it “rational trend-watching” or whatever he likes, it’s mere cowardly defeatism — will convert more people who read it to grim determination to resist and guarded, determined optimism than to defeatism. That’s exactly as it should be. The Angry Beards in all this will fall by the wayside and be totally ignored while people actually do something about the crisis. 43
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:31 | # Just a couple of examples: “a majority of births in the UK today are probably wog, ergo the majority of the population a generation or so hence will be wog and the ratios will accelerate in the adverse direction and there is no sign of anything on the horizon to check this” Non-defeatist reply: “All right, let’s put something on the horizon to check it: let’s look at every factor that influences white birthrates in an upward direction and implement as many of those as possible, and let’s look at every factor that influences non-white birthrates in a downward direction and implement as many as those as possible. Look at tax policy, social service policy, immigration policy needless to say, let the government stop subsidizing and promoting any aspect of women’s lib whatsoever and tell the organized lesbians to go fuck themselves if they don’t like it, look at abortion policy, housing policy, affirmative action policy, anti-discrimination policy, and so on. At one time the respective white/nonwhite birthrate proportions were the reverse of what they are now, then a movement among the Jew-and-communist-led élites decided to change that — this began in the mid-1970s in its earnest planning stage. What we see now is the outcome of those unpublicized meetings and secret planning sessions and agreements. It can all be undone. Defeatists like Angry Beard, instead of recognizing all that, recommend rolling over and dying. You can roll over and die, Angry Beard. Me, I’m going to do what it takes to live. “furthermore if a ‘popular uprising’ amongst the English was indeed plausible definite signs and premonitions of it would have manifest before now” These things take time. You’re starting to see signs right now, all over the place, from the explosion of internet commentary in our favor, to the beginnings of electoral gains for those generally in our half of the spectrum rather than the other half. The biggest change has been the advent of the internet as a means of commucation for us, ending the total monopoly of the Jew-and-communist-controlled mass media gatekeepers. One can go right down the list of reasons Angry Beard cites for his recommendation that we adopt an attitude of pessimism and defeat, and invalidate them all. 44
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:49 | # My Dearest Fred, 45
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:57 | # All I can say is that the Big Griff carries an enormous burden on his shoulders. 46
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:07 | # “let’s look at every factor that influences white birthrates in an upward direction and implement as many of those as possible, and let’s look at every factor that influences non-white birthrates in a downward direction and implement as many as those as possible.” (—my comment above) I hope it’s clear that this needs to be done in a spirit of “just do it, no holding back no matter who doesn’t like it, and let the chips fall where they may”: if part if it, for example, is let’s say — to take just one example among dozens — dismantling the “anti race-discrimination” laws, thereby restoring freedom of association for whites, which would result in the inevitable, automatic and rapid transformation of present racially mixed neighborhoods into all-white or almost all-white ones, making it, in turn, more attractive for white couples to start families (from the safe streets perspective, good quality schools perspective, and so on), giving in turn at least some additional impetus for higher white birth rates — if that chain of actions and consequences lead to howls of protest from the usual culprits (Jews, communists) they must simply be ignored and told where they can get off (and when the Jews specifically start in, launch counteroffensive campaigns about how their beloved Israel is a national-socialist apartheid state that treats Palestinians like animals, and do it all the louder the more they squawk — if done loudly enough, persistently enough, and on a large enough scale, that ought to help shut the Hebrew hypocrites the fuck up). 47
Posted by Selous Scout on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:13 | # Only brits have got no hinterland to run to. Exactly. That’s why it’s wrong to concede defeat at this early hour. Brits are being hounded into a corner and eventually will turn and fight. It is inevitable. There are only so many who can immigrate to Spain or Australia. You can say the same thing about the US, where for decades the wide open spaces have acted as a safety valve. But as these lands fill up, whites increasingly will be compelled to stay put and fight. War is inevitable. I honestly believe we will see civil war in Europe and the US. We will see ordinary white people picking up small arms and gunning down Muslim militants, negro gangs, and Mexican supremacists. White Marxist traitors will be executed in their offices. There will be gun battles in our streets. Whites (being whites) will have certain moral qualms at first, but these concerns will subside and a larger quest for survival at all costs will prevail. 48
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:18 | # Angry Beard, in regard to the race-replacement crisis the situations of the U.S. and the nations of Europe are different. Approaches that might be feasible in Europe might not be feasible here and vice-versa. The solutions, when all this will have played out, will prove different. It is more important to save Europe than North America. That’s why many on this side of the ocean “stick our noses so much into” your handling of the crisis over there. Many of us understand we have a bigger stake in the outcome over there than in the outcome over here. We all sense the absolute necessity of saving the home continent even if North America goes down. Now: you are nothing but a defeatist. You have no business continuing to post here. Take your defeatism elsewhere. No one here wants it. Fuck off. 49
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:19 | # Angry Beard, The major difference in our respective points-of-view is this - I base my extrapolations and judgements purely in line with facts as I see them So if your bath was filling with water, you would observe the facts of flow-rate and the continuous retreat of the dry volume, and it would not occur to you to ask whether the man with his hand on the tap intends the floor to flood and should be sent packing, the tap turned off pronto and the bathplug pulled? It’s true that I am bound to defend principle and have a particular weakness for looking over the longer distance. I am also ill-intentioned to what few enemies I make in life, and it grieves me if I cannot impose my will on them. We English must impose our will on those who do us harm. This is so obvious, it should not need stating. We must never settle like you for a multiracial England, nor a single drop of non-English blood in the veins of our people ... nothing. There is no difficulty we cannot surmount if we are singular enough in our purpose. Cease your prattle, then, and let us be singular. we’re not dealing a clear-cut black/white us them If not, let us make it so. Let our discourse refer to it as such, and infect the thinking of more and more of our people. Where is your will to fight? Fight, AG, while you have the energy to do so. perhaps the main reason is that the hypothetical ‘group will doesn’t exist The mind in that respect is quite plastic, and since “group will” is a naturally occurring phenomenon, it can be summoned up much more easily than it can lapse into dissipation. “Summoning up” goes with Nature’s grain. Look at Germany in the 1930s. There is your model of the plasticity of the mind. What would you rather have, health or sickness? You seem to be saying “sickness” because it is difficult to envisage the route to the alternative. Nevertheless, I am for health. “You and who’s army?” What you are saying is that the binding between us does not exist. What I am saying is that it does not exist yet. 50
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:26 | # If you want to see something like this break out, Angry Beard,
if you want to see something like that break out, just keep up with your defeatism. For you it’s all a joke. For others, like myself, Selous Scout above, and GW, <strike>it’s deadly serious</strike> ..... it isn’t and let’s leave it at that, shall we? Now go away. 51
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:39 | # Angry Beard doesn’t understand something, namely as GW has said, this will be done peacefully or it will be done [.........] but it will be done. Let’s opt for “peacefully,” shall we? We are asking for that, pleading for it, begging on our knees for it. But the time will come when the pleading and the begging will stop. And then will start the gnashing of teeth and the tearing of hair and the moaning and the wailing. We don’t want that. But we will not, to quote the poet, “go gently into that good night.” Understood? Good. 52
Posted by Armor on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:25 | # Guessedworker : “since “group will” is a naturally occurring phenomenon, it can be summoned up much more easily than it can lapse into dissipation. “Summoning up” goes with Nature’s grain.” Indeed, a lot of effort is put into deactivating our natural instinct and preventing the formation of a white “group will”. 53
Posted by Q on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:32 | # Maybe out of a dark cloud can come a silver lining in the form of a white-preservationist army? What I’m thinking is white people will remain docile as long as they have money to buy their creature comforts. WHEN that money supply no longer exists, then whites will look for the reasons for their suffering. That’s when the masses will be receptive to the truth about whom caused their suffering. They will be ripe for revolution. Heads will roll. The time is close to an economic collapse. The numbers don’t lie: In my estimation, the race-replacers are in a race for time. They are flooding white nations with non-whites as fast as they can while simultaneously flooding Western economies with dollars in order to keep whites placated long enough until a racial tipping point is achieved. I pray the economic collapse comes soon. That way we can start the process of undoing what the last 65 years of Jewish tyrany has wrought. 54
Posted by notuswind on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:55 | # Angry Beard, The trend line that many of us are focused on is the very real decline of our civilization. The nature of this decline is such that logic tells us that it can only go so far before discontinuities in mainstream consciousness start to appear. This discontinuity in the political life of our people, which logic tells us is inevitable, will herald the fall of the current liberal regime that has been dominating Western man since the conclusion of WWII. Moreover I would predict that this event, this cataclysmic moment in our race’s history, will climax with the fall of the U.S. in North America. It is not possible to underestimate the spiritual trauma that this will bring. Yes, on this terrible day, the mind of Western man will finally be liberated from the grip of the liberals and their propaganda machines. Logic demands it. But what comes next? Once the current liberal regime has fallen, upon whom will the mandate of heaven rest? That mandate could fall upon a reinvigorated Western man, equipped with the appropriate ideology, or it could fall upon something non-Western and alien. But in any case, the mandate of heaven will be wrenched away from the liberals as the very society that they have worked so hard to create comes undone. Let us be the ones that come next. 55
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:59 | # Fred Scrooby, 56
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:17 | # Furthermore, 57
Posted by John on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:17 | # “All I am saying that exactly the same phenomenom that the USA experienced 30 or 40 years ealier than the UK is unrolling over here.Only brits have got no hinterland to run to.” I’m not too sure I’d cite that as a disadvantage. 58
Posted by Armor on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:22 | #
In a civil war, I think our enemies would be fellow Whites and Jews.
By the way… In what way is it difficult to reverse the situation and send third-worlders back to the third-world? For most white people, the only obstacle is that they are afraid to break immigrants’ hearts. This is a ridiculous situation. 59
Posted by Bill on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:43 | # Came across this the other day, looks as though I’m too late to the party. Consolidating the Paradigm Just a taster to get the flavour. Note the date 1991.
There’s a lot more at… http://american_almanac.tripod.com/warfare.htm Note of interest. I haven’t detected anything about mass immigration, but there’s so much to plough through - maybe it’s there and I haven’t come across it. Maybe most of you have seen it anyway. 60
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:23 | # Angry Beard is a race-replacement advocate. He lies and says he’s “a committed WN.” He’s not of course, and it’s now clear he’s not even a defeatist but is an outright race-replacement advocate who loves forced race-replacement. Yes he’s one of those. He needs to clear out of here. 61
Posted by Armor on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:09 | # Being sent back home won’t break the hearts of many immigrants. What they will miss is the money and comfort. If they don’t mind leaving their own people for Western money, it is absurd to think they will terribly miss our company when we finally expel them. If someone is afraid to hurt the immigrants’ feelings but doesn’t mind genociding European nations, there is something wrong with him. It is incredible that white people can be hypnotized into thinking that way. To help them snap out of it, we should remind them there are laws against treason and genocide (as Fred did here). 62
Posted by Bill on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:16 | # Dasein November 04, 2009, 01:51 PM Imagine
Imagine no Internet. Liberal atomisation would ensure there was no meaningful inter communication at any level, local, national, worldwide. No BNP information escape the media blanket censorship, ditto white nationalism. No MSM mention of anything that we all openly discuss here. Complete blank. In other words, the elites would be running things exactly as they wished, no public resistance whatever, move along there, nothing to see here. But that’s not the case, we on the Internet have created reality in the virtual world, much to the chagrin of the elites. There is resistance out there, resistance that we, from humble beginnings, (HT. GW and his ilk) painstakingly creating a spider’s web of information to like mind people from a multitude of sources. Little was understood, no-one had the big picture - it had to be pieced together piece by piece. Now there is a small band scattered throughout the white world, who share the big picture of what it’s all about, and as a result I suspect there is, due to the Internet, a rapidly growing awareness, which through time will become an avalanche. The instrument of the elites, the media, have been forced to come out and counter this growing resistance. The printed media in the UK have for some time, through pressure of the bloggers, been forced into publishing candid comments in their blog columns. The volume of traffic passing through these blogs has increased beyond measure and I suspect is likely to continue doing so. Likewise, the British National Party is gaining in stature which is translating into votes and increased support. All of this in spite of (or because of) a constant barrage of loathsome vilification by the MSM. This struggle was always destined to be fought through the power of the media, this battle is intensifying as each day passes and we here are slowly but surely winning. So let us here on the Internet, not undersell ourselves, of course in the end it will come to boots on the streets - but history will record it was from the Internet that resistance first started. 63
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:20 | # I don’t want to waste time arguing with Fred Scrooby. 64
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:37 | # Thanks, Bill. Much appreciated. Angry Beard, I will give some consideration to a post to reply to your remarks, which should be replied to regardless of the goodor bad faith in which you make them (I trust, good faith). Armor, I wish you would reconsider the request I made to you right at the start of your visitations here to blog for us occasionally on events in France. I think that would interest many of our readers, and me too! 65
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:51 | #
From the Chartists to the KKK and beyond, it’s not what the historical record shows. 66
Posted by Frank on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:55 | # Fr. John, I was addressing “morticia”. My point is this: were England to move to Siberia, it would be more apt to marry out with other Siberians and essentially become a new nation. Even though race is the nation, the land and buildings serve that race too by tying them to their ancestors and origins. Many English and Celtic (or ought I say “British”?) peoples in America have married out or at least come to identify more with citizens of America than with the British race(s). That’s not to say such is inevitable - only more likely. The counter example might be Rhodesians who were known as “more British than the British”. - I too identify as British, though I don’t wish to move there for various reasons. 67
Posted by Frank on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:59 | # Ah, I should add that I’m part French and really identify more as northwest European. The future remnant nation of America seems Anglo-centric made up of northwest European stock. That’s my sense of nationalism - to each his own. (I’m addressing those who fall outside such a definition and are quietly “offended”...) 68
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:08 | #
The problem with faith, both yours and Guessedworkers new teleology, group will, is that it’s not falsifiable. Catholics, like Fred, are notorious for not reading the book but happy to just follow the papal decree. How is the English desire/ability to implement the final solution actually measured? Wilberforce repatriated Africans. The mass migration of Irish into Liverpool was never repulsed. The mass migration of Jews, held in enormous contempt by those living in proximity, into London was never repulsed. The Italians were rounded up and interned, in 1940, but the hysteria faded when some died crossing the Atlantic to Canada. Demographics change. If immigration was restricted and family unification denied, the demographic trend seems to suggest a decline in immigrant birth rates to the level of the English. Without replenishment these “settled communites” may decline on their own. 69
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:13 | # There’s no bad faith involved at all GW. 70
Posted by Frank on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:40 | # The Spanish sent the Moors home. The Americans sent Mexicans home during Operation Wetback. Nothing’s written in stone. Aristotle:
If the nation state is truly too large to resist suicide, then rally the clans! 71
Posted by Frank on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:43 | # “Demographics change” is a euphemism for “nations die”. 72
Posted by Angry Beard on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:46 | # Frank’s hit the nail precisely on the head. 73
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:12 | #
The Spanish also embraced mass miscegenation. How many Mexicans were actually repatriated is still debated, however, even if the premise is accepted, Americans were unable to repatriate Africans (neither Lincoln nor Grant), Jews, Catholics (Irish or eastern and southern Europeans). Demographics changed. Was it nation killing. No. It produced the white multicult now known as “White Nationalism”. 1924 is no longer the high tide point for “American” decline. Now it is 1965. What does that tell us? The English are more or less likely to rise up and expell the “Other”. Please enlighten us o’ wise one. 74
Posted by Bill on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:21 | # Angry Beard November 03, 2009, 08:07 PM
But it’s not only the British who are, passive as you say, it’s the whole of Western civilisation from Alaska to New Zealand, from Spain to Demark, From Ireland forever Eastwards. Let us say a billion white souls, why do think all those others are passive as you call it? I’ve opined here before, the reason is far more profound than just being passive. But on a fairly superficial level, as regards Britain, I would say apathy is due in large part because our natural order of leadership has abandoned, nay declared war on them. In fact our natural leaders or let’s say ruling class, quit the scene shortly after the end of WWII - but that’s another story. Also to remember is there is no counter message to the one they constantly receive from that screen in the corner, or tabloid press, or cinema, or the myriad of computer game consoles. Add to this the relentless deconstruction of our culture by liberalism and it’s a no contest - game set and match. Indifference, lethargy, passivity, apathy, unawareness, rudderless, dumbed down, uneducated, you name it. But when England play soccer and attract a hundred thousand of the above baying and chanting, they soon become interested - especially if goaded on by the Sun. Don’t forget, there is a million or more of such ‘passive’ youth on the streets of Britain. But I guess your not talking about only youth, but all British people. I too was disapointed at the results of the London elections - how can you explain that? (Ignorance - unawareness) We have to believe there’s a lot of pent up anger out there that only needs channelling to wherever it is needed. Which shouldn’t be too difficult when they are cattle prodded from their comfort zone. But you say no, you don’t see it. Fair enough! Ps. What and when was the defining moment that caused you to find out more or did you know already what was going on - and why? 75
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:21 | # Or Chinese or Japaneses during and after WWII. Even after the infamy of December 7, 1941,(or for Canadians, Christmas 1941 in Hongkong) all that North Americans could muster was internment. Even the horrors of Battan and Japanese POW camps would not rally Yanks and Canucks to expel the Oriental other. 76
Posted by Bill on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:29 | # Frank November 04, 2009, 08:43 PM
Make that civilisations. 77
Posted by notuswind on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:43 | # In my opinion most of the contributors to this thread have missed the point. Yes it is true that Westerners have degraded themselves to the point where we have (for the most part) lost the will to resist our own dissolution. We are in such a state that it is almost comical to imagine the likes of the English (or my fellow White Americans) rousing themselves in defense of their own in any significant way. I think Angry Beard’s main point rests on this observation. However, the unfortunate state of our people is irrelevant to the fact that the current liberal regime is dying. Just because these people have been able to seize power and hold onto it for more than a generation doesn’t mean that they can do it forever. There will be opportunities. 78
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:48 | #
Yeah baby, that will really rally the troops! What time will you be at the barricades? Do you even a own gun? 79
Posted by Armor on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:55 | #
Today, we have a huge majority of white people who disapprove of race-replacement but do nothing about it, a class of immoral traitors (politicians, journalists, bishops…) who go along with it, high-ranking officials who are satisfied to follow any orders they are given, a number of misanthropic “left-wing” nihilists who like to wreck people’s lives, and a tiny number of anti-white string-pullers. In a civil war, who would take arms against us? Not the string-pullers, not the politicians, not the bishops. Maybe a handful of stupid, ornery “left-wing” lunatics would dare to take arms against the white majority, but they would be no match. If a civil war broke out now, our declared enemies would stand no chance at all. The real danger would come from the self-styled moderates on our own side. Some of them will recommend we renounce our plan of entirely cancelling the race-replacement of the last half-century. 80
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:00 | #
The state. Remmember Waco, Randy Weaver or the LDS Church in Texas? 81
Posted by Armor on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:23 | # If Western governments send the army to subdue white people and continue the race-replacement policy, I don’t think the army will go along with it. Of course, I may be wrong. I see the Waco shootout as only a botched police operation. 82
Posted by Armor on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:00 | #
It shows that people are not entirely rational. They will vote for someone who enjoys a reputation as a decent person even if he has a record of supporting race-replacement. They will react to slogans, posturing, vilification and social pressure. If the English could enlist in a liberation army to help expel the immigrants and reclaim England for the English, I think there would be no shortage of volunteers, even from people who voted for Labour or the Conservatives in the last election. Unfortunately, they are not ready yet to join a clandestine army. Giving their lives for their country is all right, but only if it is approved by government. People have a need for official approbation. 83
Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:09 | #
Angry Beard— They are parasites. They cannot live without sufficient numbers of us to support them. At some point, it is inevitable that the territory will revert to our control. 84
Posted by Svigor on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:26 | # The problem is not military or political, but spiritual/psychological. Our eminence grises are few in number. If a few swing from lampposts, the rest will change their tune. The trouble is will, not way. It will be easy to solve our problems if we perceive the problem and resolve to act. In sufficient (much less than most would think) quantity and quality, of course. But that’s the rub, isn’t it? We’re pretty busily pretending the problem’s a great good. 85
Posted by Dan Dare on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:35 | #
As to who might take arms against us, in Britain the military owes its allegiance to the Crown not to the state. I believe that’s still the case in Canada and Australia also. A subtle distinction but one of great potential significance at a future time of serious internal conflict. 86
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:51 | # The enemy would be the security apparatus working offensively through south Asian and Arab proxies trained in terror tactics and defensively though a MultiCult militia in the urban landscape. 87
Posted by Lurker on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:42 | #
Back to the paradox of multicult power. Its at its strongest now because the functioning of the state and its police/military is still dependent on competant whites to make it work and whites are still the majority of the population. As non-whites reach majority status either the state will have to maintain the whiteness of these institutions in which case we have the clear beginnings of a de facto ‘us and them’ situation. Or these instituations will increasingly reflect the demographics around them. Thus they will become more incompetant and their use to enforce tolerance</irony> will make the racist nature of the system to to the white minority. One could argue then about SA or Rhodesia but one cant look at these in isolation. Behind their black usurpers stand western multicultists and their political/economic power. If countries like the UK & US go down that route who is going to lead ‘international opinion’ (along with the necessary power) to crush white interests then? Thats also the paradox of the multicult writ large and international. 88
Posted by Lurker on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:45 | # Ah the irony, I spelled ‘incompetent’ wrong! I was in a hurry! 89
Posted by Western Rebirth on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:34 | # Ignore the proclamations of defeatists like ‘Angry Beard’ and remember the words of historian Kenneth Clark: “It is lack of confidence, more than anything else, that kills a civilisation. We can destroy ourselves by cynicism and disillusion, just as effectively as by bombs.” 90
Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:54 | # For those of you who are discouraged and wonder, what is the point of fighting?—I have a better question for you: 91
Posted by Baldwin de Cormier on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:10 | #
I prefer to call it “benign neglect.” It is an expression of my general powerlessness. At this time we can only go the way fortune’s wind deign to blow us. Perhaps our prospects will improve, perhaps they will not. I’d love to see all of this hell put to right, but who can say what the outcome will be? I wash my hands of the constant worry and harbor no expectations. Going on with my life is imperative, seeing the survival of the Aryan race is secondary. This present situation has come about as the result of plans made generations ago, why waste time agonizing over the facts as they now sit? Most Aryans alive today don’t. My promise is, if the opportunity presents itself to rise and throw off our slavers and persecutors, I will fight beside you. If, if, if. 92
Posted by Lurker on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:16 | # And talking of declining competence in the US military… How long can an effective army be maintained while accomodating garbage like this in the ranks? Saw that linked to at isteve. 93
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:38 | #
But that’s all anyone asks, Baldwin — asks of you; asks of anyone. Your promise is gold, comrade. Thank you. 94
Posted by Frank on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:09 | #
Pres. Carter, with help from the Brits, took out Rhodesia. Before the mindless missionary stepped in, Rhodesia was the breadbasket of Africa! Whites have and can rule blacks when necessary, even when in a very small minority. It’s tough to sell produce though when major trading partners and media orgs are boycotting and propagandising… Carter is a perfect example of an honest, well-intending idiot liberal. 95
Posted by Thunder on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:10 | # Angry Beard He may be one of those (insert Deadwood nose gesture here) or arguing in bad faith. I don’t know. Hopefully we will see. 96
Posted by Silent_Majority on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:54 | # This Angry Beard character is just a typical hipster with all complaints and no constructive suggestions. And/or consumed by fatalist depression. It happens to the best of us, but ignore or block those kinds of posts. This “scene” is in vital need of (compassionately) silencing the all-talk, no-ideas hipsters. 97
Posted by Angry Beard on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:14 | # In reply to Dasein, I think the the best example of tmy thesis is the fate of southern California. 98
Posted by Angry Beard on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:51 | # At least in Britain we’ve got the BNP. 99
Posted by eh on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:17 | # Roads and televisions and medical care. They come for the superior technical infrastructure available in western countries. Since they’ve been unable to build the same environment for themselves, no one should be surprised when they fail to contribute proportionately once they arrive. Yet this seems hardly to be noted by the bureaucrats. From my comment link: One in three Muslim homes have dependent children but no working adults. 100
Posted by Angry Beard on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:08 | # When Scrooby blasts a mouthfull of bad-breath in my direction and others throw all sorts of nasty names at me I was merely trying to make this point which I’ll attempt to itemize: Such is our dire state.We must be hard-headed and rational in facing up to it and not ostrich-like. 101
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:41 | # Psychologizing others is always a form of supremacism, and psychologizing one’s own racial brothers, or pathologising their views, is a form of sibling rivalry in which the normal bounds have been broken. Like “uh”, who is made worse by his superfice, Angry Beard seemingly cannot comprehend that Freud was wrong, and immorally so, because Freud was not motivated by the pursuit of a human truth but of his own and his tribe’s supremacism. When one turns away from such alien hatred, ceases to be its servant, ceases to analyse and thereby clamber above one’s brothers one might ... might: a) See into the world. b) See oneself and one’s own. Angry Beard will want to do neither. For reasons only he can know, but probably doesn’t, he is too attached to the need to label and mischaracterise others. His chief but by no means only mischaracterisation is to fail to distinguish between a childish refusal to face facts - so pleasurably unlike his own bearded but no doubt lantern-jawed and gimlet-eyed, superior self - from the detailed and proper examination of the politics of a European life and the creation of new ideas tending to the same. He cannot see that a dirge-like analysis of postmodernity (which, in fairness, is just about all he is offered elsewhere, and which is the standard method for kicking the sleepful sheep into wakefulness) is not the same as creative thought, and so he cannot apprehend MR. If I was going to psychologise him, I would make great play of his projection of sibling rivalry. But I am not going to do that. I am going to challenge him to step free of the protective carapace of false pride and dirge-like sentiment and attempt, at least, to find the meaning of what is done here. 102
Posted by the Narrator... on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:50 | # There is reason to be optimistic about the ultimate fate of our people. But we are at the end of an era. America as she was is gone for good. There will hopefully be a place for Whites in North America, but it will be an island surrounded by hostile foes. Western Europe will most likely (in a similar vain) be forced to partition off for itself areas for its people. One thing we have to face is that we will be a divided people. It’s not just the non-Whites but the Whites who have pledged allegiance to others who we must contend with. Our darkest and most dreadful days our before us, not behind us. We have a future. It is just that it will be less than it might have been. It will be bleak and it will be harsh. But from those conditions a stronger people may be forged and a golden dawn will come in the long centuries ahead. ... 103
Posted by Angry Beard on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:35 | # I’m not ‘pathologising’, patronising or ‘psychoanalysing’ anyone. 104
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:36 | # I will repeat: the piece of excrement signing as Angry Beard is a knowing, conscious race-replacement advocate who, for whatever reason, feigns sympathy for our side while endeavoring to get us to mentally surrender and embrace divershitty. This person secretly likes race-replacement. Count on it. He does not want race-replacement overthrown. 105
Posted by Angry Beard on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:44 | # With idiots like ‘Fred Scrooby’ (who has the manners and demeanour of a flatulent caveman) apparently being the leading-light of this forum, then you’ve got no hope.
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Posted by Baldwin de Cormier on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:01 | #
Why? Because international Jewry is very good at wholesale infiltration and transformation of political systems, i.e. the “Glorious” Revolution (yes, it was funded by the Suassos), the “French” Revolution which enslaved my ancestors, the “Russian” Revolution, and now the MultiCult Revolution. It is a reversible state of affairs but I am pessimistic about it because changing it would require a momentous effort of will on behalf of our people which I am not sure we are any longer capable of. 107
Posted by anonymous on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:47 | # Posted by Angry Beard on November 05, 2009, 10:14 AM | # 108
Posted by Martin Spencer on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:27 | # Angry Beard, Thank you for trying to introduce some reason into this “debate”. Martin 109
Posted by Desmond Jones on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:40 | #
Or maybe it’s the Putnam Syndrome.
If there is a sociological impact of living in a diverse society, can reason be trusted or is it somehow impacted by proximity to a diverse environment? 110
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:27 | # Martin Spencer, Failing to distinguish the purpose of raising and discussing ideas from that of taking actions is not “reason”. Further, revolutionary potential is not the same thing as, and is not dependent upon, the anger of the public. 111
Posted by Aphoristic on Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:46 | #
On Griffin: “In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.” [Erasmus] 112
Posted by Selous Scout on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:11 | # It is a reversible state of affairs but I am pessimistic about it because changing it would require a momentous effort of will on behalf of our people which I am not sure we are any longer capable of. It is reversible. This is a man-made problem. It is not an irreversible act of nature, like a tsunami or an earthquake. The invasion and occupation of white countries are a direct result of government policy and as such can be reversed. What it requires, when you get right down to it, is a willingness to—nay an enthusiasm for—draw enemy blood. No more debate. No more discussion. The time for action is near. And when I say action I mean acts of war that will shock the country, the world, but which are entirely morally justified. There is a minority of us for whom this does not present a problem. But for the gutless majority who balk at what the impending crisis will require them to do, whose outdated pseudo-Christian ethics stop short of actually defending themselves and their families, all I can say is: when the time comes get the f*ck out of our way. 113
Posted by Frank on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:57 | # Selous Scout, Anyone can stand up and say “this is what x religion teaches”. Takimag is celebrating this pagan getting a City Council seat (some part of Queens, NY, USA) 114
Posted by Armor on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:04 | # Dasein: “Whites aren’t disappearing, they’re just moving somewhere they can start over again.” In fact, white people are both displaced AND replaced. They are moving away, but their birth rate has also been badly hit, as shown by the inverted pyramid. Dasein: “Presently, we are building up a sufficient titre with which to infect the body politic. If we can even just get a few memes, like ‘race-replacement’, into public discourse we will have done much more than ‘talk, talk, talk’.” Some explosives work with two components that go boom when they meet. In our case, the bottom component is basic, instinctual anger building up among white people (at least, I hope so), and the top component is the intellectual zeitgeist. Selous Scout: “for the gutless majority who balk at what the impending crisis will require them to do” Americans did not balk that much at the Iraq war, which killed more than 4000 Americans, and was useless from an American point of view. Selous Scout: “What it requires, when you get right down to it, is a willingness to—nay an enthusiasm for—draw enemy blood.” I wonder what a civil war would look like. A lot of political assassinations? Racial riots followed by curfews and total racial separation in some cities? Bomb attacks against government troops? Will the diversity-is-strength propaganda go on during a civil war? If it stops for more than three days, I hope people will come to their senses long enough to rebel and destroy the propaganda machine. 115
Posted by Wandrin on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:58 | #
South Africa is a good example. Would apartheid have ever fallen internally without the hostility of the white nations? If the white nations turned round and said they would support an apartheid South Africa does anyone think the remaining White South Africans couldn’t take the whole place back despite being outnumbered?
I think there may have been a misunderstanding on here over means and ends. I agree with Griffin’s tactics. I agree even if they’re not just tactics but his actual end game. I think the enemy control of the mass media means people have to be radicalized in stages and if you present them with an endgame before they’re ready then they’ll reject it. However i also agree that any endgame that would be acceptable enough to gain substantial political success and avoid being bombed to the stone age by US aircraft carriers would not go far enough. It’s a catch 22. My personal conclusion it that there needs to be a first stage and a second stage but they must run concurrently not sequentially. The second stage must exist in the background and be thought of and planned for but separate from the first stage. Striving for the first stage, as long as it is acceptable to the people but unacceptable to the enemy, could lead to a reaction that automatically creates the second stage - most revolutions happen that way, it’s the state crackdown of a peaceful political movement that sparks the revolution. If that doesn’t work then the second stage must let the first stage mature as far as it can and at the point where it has become acceptable and stagnant then the second stage leapfrog over or splits off from it to take things further. (At which point a separate 3rd stage may be neccessary to repeat the process if that 2nd movement also stops short). Lastly, if neither of those works then it’s the reconquista solution where physically defended enclaves like the Loyalist/Nationalist areas of Belfast are created from which we may be able to reclaim what is ours, even if it takes as long as it did the Spanish. So i agree with you that one neccessary half of the means is something BNP-like. However i also think there’s a second neccessary part of the means which should be more private. Speaking personally GW’s post would fit into what i would call that second stage thinking even though i’m more of a 98% man rather than 100%. 116
Posted by Wandrin on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:07 | # Forgot to say what a great idea this video series is from the BNP boys. Thanks to the red media there’s still many people in the UK outside the big cities who have no idea how far things have gone.
What it requires is numbers. Once there’s number and momentum things will start to take off on their own. One of the things that prevents numbers and momentum is premature violence. There is much greater benefit from the enemy striking the first blows, as is proven by the public reaction to the UAF’s activities in the UK. 117
Posted by Angry Beard on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:34 | # Lest I get further accused of peddling negativity, I state again England’s only hope lies with the BNP and onto Nick Griffin’s shoulders rests an enormous burden. This is the ‘realistic’ alternative - actually trying to work with the material we’eve got rather than airy-fairy fantasies with no actual grounded reality. 118
Posted by Wandrin on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:17 | #
I may be wrong but i think there still may be a misunderstanding here. I agree with the realistic approach as a tactic. Griffin’s proved that it’s the right way, or at least one right way, to get the ball moving. However, I also think there’s a natural and possibly unavoidable human tendency with that tactic to gradually start believing the currently realistic endgame is the only realistic endgame. So alongside the main realistic approach i believe there needs to be something else and separate that helps to keep eyes focused on the prize. The way i see it is something like a three stage moon rocket. The first stage gets you to a certain point, then the second stage takes over and finally the third. Each section of the rocket is a means and has an end but only the last gets you to final destination. If that makes sense? 119
Posted by Angry Beard on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:55 | # Yes, I understand what you are saying - I am the first to argue that a “secret” cabal - a dark temple within a temple must be at the heart of policy-making, and its ultimate plans must be kept hidden from the profane. 120
Posted by Antisocialist on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:47 | # Bill linked to an article called ‘How the British Use the Media for Mass Psychological Warfare’ Anyone wondering how we’ve arrived at the situation now facing us need only read that article to get an idea of the psychological onslaught that’s been waged on the people of Britain and elsewhere in the world. The article focuses on the mother of all mind control organisations ‘The Tavistock Institute’. It also discusses its links with the cultural Marxists of The Frankfurt School. Both colloborating in new and imaginative ways of subverting the West. In the article we read how they “reduce complex problems to simplistic formulas [in order that people] form their opinion by what they believe others around them believe”. They conclude that “truth hardly enters into such considerations”. They talk of enforced “retardation” and inducing “regressive mental states”. One of the aims was “a mass ‘re-educational’ campaign to break the last vestiges of national resistance, especially within the United States, to this new, one-world order.” The ability to ‘shape public perception’ is extremely important to the success of their World Government aim. ‘They’ control the source of the news as well as its dissemination through print and TV. The TV, that box in the corner of the living room, being the most important propaganda tool of all . Anyone imagining that a violent struggle of any sorts will bear fruit is, I’m afraid, delusional. They have already given themselves all the authoritarian powers they need and they have an army (quite literally) of mind controlled ‘servicemen’ who have sworn allegiance to the Crown. Besides, with the final barrier to the creation of a European Federal superstate having now gone any resistance is likely to be met by security forces of a European type. The real war, as we can see above, is the one for the minds of the masses. As soon as someone becomes aware of the fact that they are being programmed, conditioned and brainwashed its effectiveness greatly diminishes. It also causes a huge amount of re-appraisal on everything. They are aware of this but place their hopes in the idea that “the mass of absolutely illiterate, of feeble minded, grossly neurotic, undernourished and frustrated individuals is very considerable, much more considerable, there is reason to think, than we generally suppose. Thus a wide popular appeal is circulated among persons who are mentally children or barbarians, whose lives are a morass of entanglements, people whose vitality is exhausted, shut-in people, and people whose experience has comprehended no factor in the problem under discussion”. That they have helped to create this state of affairs is beyond dispute. For me, this is the war that not only needs to be won but can be won. It requires great consideration over both what is said and how it’s said. For example, Majority Rights is written for and appeals to those of a higher intellect and quite rightly so. It is certainly necessary to discuss matters in this manner. But consideration should also be given to how relevant information is compiled and disseminated for those of medium and lower intellects. A great degree of discipline is also necessary because it’s not only important what is said but how it’s said. No more references to ‘wogs’ (which is not something I’d personally ever do anyway), Hitler (though it beggars belief that anyone should want to be associated with him) or even referring to the ‘Jews’ in a generalised manner. Not all Jews, by a long stretch, are involved in this and neither is it a purely Jewish enterprise. Be specific. Language is everything. The vast majority of people dismiss the idea of there being a conspiracy to create a World Government. That in itself is testament to the power of the mind control techniques being used against us. They have a euphemism for this agenda which is the creation of a New World Order. The International Marxists and Fabians Socialists (Communists) and other assorted ‘leftists’ and the Global Capitalist (Corporatist) ‘right’ make up the thesis and anti-thesis of this particular Hegelian dialectic. The synthesis, or ‘third way’, will look a lot like China. Monopoly capitalism for the elite few and socialism for the masses. Not an appealing prospect. Pretty much everything that happens in this country and the wider world can be seen through the prism of the World Government agenda. This includes mass immigration and political correctness (cultural Marxism) which are the main weapons in the attempt to destroy our nationality. Multiculturism and diversity are really no more than euphemisms for the oldest trick in the book, divide and rule. The most important assault on the nation is, of course, the European Union. The agenda is relentless, destructive and I’ve no hesitation in describing it as evil. The nation states of the world and the indigenous inhabitants of those states must be destroyed or effectively neutralised. I could go in to this a lot more but the point I’m attempting to make is this. It seems to me that you here at MR see the fight from the sole perspective of the destruction of the nation and natives of Britain (particularly England), Europe and the wider ‘white’, Western, world. What I’m saying is that this is merely one (though possibly the most important for us) aspect of a much larger agenda. One that affects both us and the ethnic minorities that have been cynically used to further the aims of the global elites. A correct and clear expression of what the agenda involves could gain a degree of sympathy and support from ethnic minorities. After all, we both have the same enemy. I’m not saying that you necessarily have to dilute your aims to do this, just understand the bigger picture and discuss it with honesty. 121
Posted by Antisocialist on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:53 | # It’s my feeling that a large degree of ‘shaping public perception’ is at work in regards to the BNP. Many place all their hope in them. All I can say on that subject is that the World Government agenda has been planned for many, many years. They have always controlled all political parties of any relevance. The idea they wouldn’t have foreseen the development of a ‘nationalist’ resistance movement of some sorts is impossible. As ever they would want to control the opposition. The history of Freemasonry in the Griffin family is enough to ring alarm bells. Then there are a few who claim to know for a fact that Griffin is controlled. I made contact with an ex BNP councillor from the Midlands who left because he was convinced that both Griffin and Simon Darby (the press man and deputy leader) were state controlled and he knew both of them very well. For me the thing that makes me suspicious is the involvement of Mark Collet. His various pronouncements have earned him the nickname ‘Nazi boy’. Whether allowing him to be the subject of a Russell Brand documentary was sensible is debatable. To then retain him as part of your ‘team’ is highly questionable. But after all that to then put him forward as the voice of the young BNP for a recent BBC radio interview is more than a little strange. Collet is not the only one of those in positions of responsibility within the BNP that have such baggage and is tolerated and protected by Griffin. Giving your opponents such easy opportunities to criticise you makes no sense at all. I can think of no other political party that would do such a thing. As the author of ‘Griffin Watch’ pointed out, there’s enough information on his site to bury Griffin for ever. The elites seem more than happy to keep him in power.
The harder question is what would be the organisation’s aims. A clear expression of what is being fought for rather than against. To be successful it would need to include a broad spectrum of anti-immigration, pro-British opinion. Its appeal would have to be wide enough to accomodate those at Majority Rights as well as the Laban Tall’s of this world. My own suggestion is that it is one step at a time. Lessons need to be learnt from the tactics that have been deployed against us. Step one is to stop all further immigration. It can be easily proved that the agenda is to destroy the British as a race and a nation and that therefore this is a defensive action. Emphasis should be placed on how immigrants themselves are being cynically exploited. From the perspective of the agenda to create a New World Order the dots can be connected that will show that the ‘elites’ doing this are the descendants of those who were behind both the Empire and the Slave trade. Over-population, strain on public services and cultural cohesion without the need for an overbearing all powerful state are additional reasons. Step two is to reverse the process. This can be couched as an apology to the developing world for the theft of their skilled workers (particularly medical staff); an attempt to make Britain more self sustainable; linked to development aid and as a move towards greater social cohesion in this country. On this point I make an observation that may be disagreeable to many at MR. Even assuming the brainwashing tactics were exposed and neutralised and that there was now the possibility of free debate on the general subject of immigration and multi-culturism, I’d expect there to still remain a number of people, particularly among the young, who would be in favour of it. We would, by now, have established that they have no right or mandate to impose such a state of affairs on an unwilling majority (or possibly large minority). Would that majority (or possibly large minority), in turn, have the right to impose their will on the multi-culturists? Would a compromise have to be reached? Multicultural areas might remain with those who have no desire to live in such circumstances free to live in their own communities. Living as minorities amidst the temples and mosques may focus the minds of the multi-culturists a little, who knows? It seems to me that even without the globalists attempting to manufacture a false unified world government, that thought has to be given to living in a shrinking world of cheap air travel. Step three would be the wholesale dismantling of the ‘race relations’ industry along with all of the cultural Marxism that helped to create it. This, really, is what I’m interested in. Resisting the psychological onslaught and finding what would constitute the ‘flag in the sand’ around which the broadest base of nationalist minded people can gather. 122
Posted by Bill on Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:11 | # Here’s something I started and then lost interest, I relegated it to the back burner. But seeing a couple of recent posts I fished it out and dusted it off. It’s a bit more half cocked than usual. Casting around the usual sites I get the general feeling of a prevailing sense of (disorientation for want of a better word) with regard to our predicament. To put it bluntly, what we’re dealing with is a many headed hydra and we haven’t got a clue as to which head(s) to attack. What we’re faced with is a coalition of forces of such disparity that we simply do not have the resources or time to deal with each head, so as I see it, in some way we have to decide and prioritise a coordinated resistance to maximum effect. Dare I say there is an enormous amount of energy being dissipated throughout the blogosphere by not prioritising (triage) a coordinated response. To start with, Europe’s problems are not the same as Americas, but as it is both Britain and America who are spearheading this culture war then two factions cannot be divorced from each other. Plus, what happens in America today Britain/Europe will have to deal with tomorrow. What and who are this coalition of dispirit forces arrayed against us? As I see it these coalition forces are (in no particular order) the following, the super transnational elites, the media, the politicians and bankers. From these, a whole panoply of organisations sprout forth, victim groups, NGO’s, the long marchers, legal industry, military, civil administration, police and all the major institutions that constitute the nations infrastructure. The forces of influence at the command of the enemy are formidable, and in truth near absolute, so where do we start? Perhaps the most potent weapon our opponents possess is disguising their intentions, as tens of millions of whites haven’t a clue as to what is in store for them, perhaps it is this ignorance we should start addressing in earnest, after all, it numbers that we need to accumulate and quickly. The public face of most of these principle factions is the media, so do we concentrate our efforts in that direction? Time is something we do not possess in abundance, so deciding on a strategy would be a start, all else is interesting and maybe even important but in the end secondary - what is required now is something solid we can run with and get people to believe in. It is this regard that I find the BNP’s direction somewhat puzzling. 123
Posted by Bill on Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:30 | # It is not ground breaking news that Murdoch’s Times and Sun has ditched Brown. I wondered why I was seeing less trashing of the BNP in the Times, don’t know about the Sun though. What’s going on? 124
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Posted by Bill on Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:05 | # Huge Cost of Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants Quantified November 4, 2009
More at 127
Posted by Bill on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:13 | # Are times really a changin’ ? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/rod_liddle/article6917199.ece 128
Posted by Angry Beard on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:35 | # Actually, Rod Liddle has got quite a track record in being brutally honest about the immigration disaster - and in particular black criminality. 129
Posted by Wandrin on Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:57 | # Angry Beard
Agree. 131
Posted by Bill on Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:46 | # A little light reading on a wet murky afternoon. Testing the water, taking the temperature? 132
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:18 | #
(Above photo is trom the article linked by Bill. I only hope all the angry Brits cited in the article who now see what’s going on will be voting for the BNP from now on and only the BNP. I hope they’ve learned their lesson.) 133
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:53 | # And if they don’t vote for the BNP and only the BNP from now on, it’s a sign of one thing and one thing only, they haven’t yet learned their lesson and will continue in pain, suffering, and agony until they do. Yes it’s really that simple: “To vote for the BNP is to vote for yourself. To vote for anyone other than the BNP is to vote for your self destruction.” 134
Posted by Bill on Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:10 | # An interesting piece by Fjordman over at GoV (Don’t visit much these days) H/T VFR. Should we accept that the existing order of the West cannot survive? 22.11.2009 http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/11/coming-crash.html The Coming Crash by Fjordman 22.11.2009
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:11 | # In re Bill’s comment a couple above: Good-sounding piece by FJ, and thanks, Bill. But with FJ you never know if he’ll be up to snuff in the “Where the rubber meets the road” department. I admit he’s learning ... ever so slowly, but he’s learning, he’s not standing still ... but he continues to have this mental brick wall against acknowledging the race thing. He nibbles around the edges of race but seemingly can’t permit himself to actually take the plunge and think frank racial thoughts. The biggest thing I learned from Steve Sailer in 2000 when I discovered him was it was OK to think certain thoughts, ones I realized I had been suppressing in my brain all my adult life. I was seeing in Steve’s writing that it was OK to think them. A volcano went off in my head. That was all I needed. I did the rest: no one had to think the thoughts for me that I needed to think, I thought them for myself. I began figuring things out. If FJ, at this stage of the game where he’s talking openly about armed revolution, still suffers from this paralysis of the cerebral race-awareness faculties, a paralysis he’s known for, he’s worthless for our side because he’ll support the continued importation of hundreds of millions, and hundreds of billions, and hundreds of trillions of non-Moslem non-whites into Europe while satisfying himself that when all the dust had settled he succeeded in his most important aim, namely being neither racist nor anti-Semitic nor sexist nor homophobic nor anti-LGBT (Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual-Transgender), and we’ll all still be in the same soup for all the good FJ will accomplish. One way or another, to get out of the soup we’re in you have to awaken to race, and FJ will never awaken to race, and let’s not even talk about awakening to the Jews, that with him is forget it, ain’t gonna happen, ever. So that was a good-sounding piece, and was as Shakespeare wrote, “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” When the chips are down, and the big crunch comes, FJ will be out there fighting against “the racists” and against the “anti-Semites.” He won’t be fighting first and foremost for his people, his race. Why? “That’s the way I was raised,” he’s already explained. My reply? “We don’t need people raised the way you were, FJ. Go home and pride yourself on being unracist and un-anti-Semitic. We’ll get the job done. Ourselves.” 137
Posted by Bill on Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:07 | # Fjordman, GoV, VFR, Takuan Seiyo, Melanie Philips, and the list grows longer, and the list grows….yada, yada. Thanks Fred but I think I’ve had the measure of these people for sometime now, (thanks to MR) it’s what they don’t say that gives them away. I nearly signed off that piece by saying - please don’t shoot the messenger. No, my reason for linking them was twofold nay, maybe even three fold or more. Looking around my blogosphere stamping ground I was getting vibes that this whole business is taking off, taking off to the point where there’s a head of steam building that’s gonna blow. And when I read Auster’s link to FJ and GOV and others, it seemed others feel the same way. I’m eagerly awaiting to being a fly on the wall at next years general election, I’m particularly startled at the pace of America’s awakening and anger, it’s difficult for a limey to gauge the American psyche whether it’s the Wall Street crowd that’s stirring them or whether it’s immigration,or looming socialism or a combination or what, but they certainly seem to be getting seriously pissed off. All of these FJ types are very well educated and articulate our present plight in an easily understood manner, (with the exceptions we know about and take note of) but to the the eager emerging wakeful the FJ’s are performing the vital task of spreading the word. Not only that, the FJ’s are intelligent bellwethers to the awakend and awakening alike and therefore are an asset to building the big picture, It’s an ill wind that blows nobody any good. I think on balance, at this stage of the proceedings, they are far more useful to us than a hindrance. Over the years I’ve learned a great deal how liberalism fits into the scheme of things in our postmodern world from the likes of Auster, so I appreciate that. But it’s as you infer, if you compete in a rifle competition you’re never going to win anything if you cannot bring yourself to aim for the Bulls eye. But in England now is not the time. Jim Giles aims for the Bulls eye, where did he come from? He seems a very resolute sort of guy, and doesn’t sound as though he takes many prisoners. He’s swept into MR like a Katrina, I’m looking forward to him talking things over with Nick Griffin. 138
Posted by Bill on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:22 | # I see in today’s Mail some people in high places are getting a little concerned over immigration. They must have been reading MR. Post a comment:
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Posted by Bill on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:13 | #
I have commented many times that the next election will be the last of its kind, I’ve no idea what will follow (EU?) but it is clear to me this system is finished.
Will the media be successful in preventing immigration from becoming centre stage in the coming election in a few months time?
Interesting piece in the Times this morning, our Right Honorable Friend the Home secretary Alan Johnson admits they got it wrong.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6900299.ece
This is the man who said he doesn’t lose any sleep over a population of 70 million people in a white minority Britain.
GW, I feel your pain.