Posted by Old Guy on Thu, 22 May 2008 04:48 | #

Awakenings?  Yes.

MR Folk—please go to http://reasonradionetwork.com/?p=200 , download Peter’s show, enjoy listening to all two hours of it, and then ...

Posted by Lurker (Mk II) on Thu, 22 May 2008 10:30 | #

9/11 was a long time ago, nearly seven years.  Most Americans have forgotten about it.

The result of its non-repetition is that fewer and fewer believe in their gut that 1,2 billion Muslims are out to get us. The military industrial complex crap, pumped out to justify endless spending on the wrong sort of weaponry for 4G warfare, does not strike a chord: since 2004 most Americans have wanted to wind up the “global war on terror” and bring the boys home.

Some will have cynically concluded that 9/11 being a once-off means there was never much of a terrorist threat to begin with. Others, that the Homeland Security bureucracy is suddenly so on the ball that not one jihadi can get through despite open borders. Others again, that it was a put-up job.

But most just don’t care. If it could be conclusively proved that the authorities or the Israelis knew 9/11 was coming, or even that they had a hand in it, most wouldn’t care. It’s old news.

Most Yanks have such short attention spans, are so gullible, so ignorant, so torpid and easily distracted by media trivia that it would need a 9/11 just down thee road every month or two to get their fat asses off the sofa and their mouths yelling against their unseen puppetmasters, instead of being stuffed with junk food.

The only issue that’s made American whites really cross recently in large numbers is Mexican invasions. However once they temporarily defused the threat of a blanket amnesty they promptly lost interest again. Now it’s being quietly pushed through piecemeal, attached to other measures. And who notices?

The USA is dying of decadence and disinterest.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 22 May 2008 15:20 | #

“The USA is dying of decadence and disinterest.”  (—Lurker-II)

And of total media control (which leads to near-total social control) by a hostile group.

Posted by Rusty Mason on Thu, 22 May 2008 15:40 | #

GW, when you wake people up, then what?  Waking up is a terrifying and depressing event for most people.  What do most of these wretched, newly-awakened folks do then?  They freak out inside and then mentally and emotionally shut down; they are devastated.  I worked for years to get a few dozen people around me to see the truth.  Each finally has.  But the consequences are less than satisfying, to put it mildly.  These newly-awakened people know no alternatives, so they tune out the new information and go back to their old habits, while some go so far as to start preparing for the End Times.  Seriously.  These used to be relatively healthy people, now they are empty, disillusioned shells. 

This strategy of “waking people up” is only half of the answer.  All of the old institutions we could rely on are now corrupted.  Once people are awake they need somewhere to go, something to do, a group to join, leaders to follow.  There is practically nothing for them and the bloggers are not interested in working together to (re)build anything.  “Get the message” out all you want but unless you also provide some real solutions, all your efforts will be wasted.  The enemy will come along and provide false “solutions” to the problems you exposed and then you’ll be back in the same position as before, trying to convice the poor sheeple not to follow these new false leaders. 

Hello, is anyone home?  Who’s networking to build directories of businesses, musicians, churches, and civic organizations?  (crickets chirping; a few tiny, one-man operations shout from far away)

Posted by Rusty Mason on Thu, 22 May 2008 16:01 | #

I believe that the one-on-one strategy is the most effective for most of us.  There is too much noise to shout over, too many blogs to read.  Already is there too much info for the average person to sort through.  They need a knowledgeable guide.

Here some ideas for getting the word out to the grass-roots: Distribute links, books, articles, DVD’s, and online videos to your friends and acquaintances, and to political figures.  Send them anonymously, if you must.  Work on people you know who are open to discussion, one by one.  Subtly and quitely add a bit of your message with a topic they are passionate about (some call this vectoring); this will get them thinking about the bigger picture, about the other players and events.  In conversations, know your subject inside and out, have all the relevant facts to back up any “outrageous” statements you make.  Confidently and humbly hold your position and keep chipping away at their false views. It will take years in most cases.  The truth will win out, but it needs champions. 

Homeschool your children or help others who homeschool.  Take back the minds of the youth from lies and filfth of communism.  Nothing fancy or illegal or radical, just a real American or European education, hard work, a commitment to excellence, and a burning desire to help others is all that you need.

Homeschooling also helps build the second half of the strategy: (re)building something new that people can use.  If you think homeschooling is only about books and pencils and paper and making good grades on the SAT test, then you are missing it completely.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 22 May 2008 16:02 | #

Opposition is building, Rusty.  There are signs of our growing strength all over the place, everywhere you look.  As James Bowery said the other day, you can feel it’s s new ball game now.  Of course it’s thanks to the internet.  The other side is working very hard to shut us down on the ‘net.  We must never permit that, because the day they succeed — and of course they’ve already partially succeeded in Europe — is the day we go under for a long time, likely centuries if not forever.  I’m on record as opposing violence but if the other side ever actually succeed in shutting down our side’s access to the internet, and if the judiciary and other civil authorities turn our entreaties for fairness and redress a deaf ear, that’ll be the moment we’ll need to take it to the streets with everything we’ve got.  I don’t need to spell it out further I trust:  when a man has his windpipe shut off, which shutting us out of the internet would be for our side, shutting off our windpipe, he does whatever he has to to live.  As long as they don’t succeed in doing that to us, time is on our side and we WILL win this, because truth always wins in the end, and truth is our only stock in trade, unlike the unending stream of filthy lies which is theirs.  Lies vanish.  Only truth survives in the end.

Posted by Rusty Mason on Thu, 22 May 2008 16:28 | #

And Frederick spaketh, saying, ” ... when a man has his windpipe shut off, which shutting us out of the internet would be for our side, shutting off our windpipe, he does whatever he has to to live.”  Is this a great metaphor or a great analogy?  I get those two terms confused.

Posted by 123 on Thu, 22 May 2008 16:29 | #

“The USA is dying of decadence and disinterest.”

Not only the USA, but the whole white western world.

I don’t remember the exact words, but I believe Confucius said something like:

there are 3 ways to gather knowledge, 1. by means of thinking - that is the noblest, 2. by imitation - that is the easiest, 3. by experience - that is the most bitter.

It is clear, that No. 1 is only for a small minority, and only those can be reached by arguments. No. 2 will just do whatever the prevailing “Zeitgeist” demands and will be the vast majority. No.3 will only come about in quantity, when the going gets rough, in turbulent times. And for these we are fully headed. The condition of the financial system is more than worrying and the situation with energy and especially oil supply (peak oil) is downright scary.

So, I expect in a few years time nothing will be as it is now. Very likely there will be a lot of suffering, thereby giving a great majority of whites the needed bitter experiences and thus the knowledge as per No.3.

THAT then will be our chance to turn things around.

Posted by GT on Thu, 22 May 2008 16:29 | #

Our sector of the Internet is overwhelmingly comprised of pensioners, the unemployed, and the unemployable.  Except for the pensioners’ donations to David Duke or to tax-deductible organizations like Amren, there is no money.  Even if we had money, experienced media types are not inclined to sell professional services to a jew-critical cause – it’s bad for the bottom line. 

We watch the world from our computers, make a few worthwhile comments, and whine.  The gambit of some is the Turner Diary fantasy.  The gambit of others is an easy, remote form of civic participation limited to writing letters to newspapers and congressmen.  Both groups hope that more people will drop by, become convinced of the rightness of our cause, and do something. 

Do what, exactly?  Sally and Joe are not interested in implementing the Turner Diary fantasy or spending most or all of their free time writing letters to newspapers and congressmen.  Neither can they spend all day on the computer with a Reader’s Digest vocabulary builder in hand engaging in “intelligent discourse” or reading/posting reams of historical material irrelevant to the present. 

We attribute the seeming disinterest of Sally and Joe to stupidity and lemming-like behavior.  There is truth to this.  However, should Sally and Joe ask “What can I do?” our response is limited to repeating the Turner Diary scenario or telling them to do what we do – that is, watch the world from our computers, make a few worthwhile comments, and whine.  Then, when they shake their heads and walk away, we call them “stupid” and “lemmings.”

We should be very interested in people who ask “What can I do?” and tailor our message accordingly.  People asking this question are interested in some level of relevant, local empowerment.  Most of them are potential leaders.  We should have for them an array of relevant, local tasks to choose from.

This is a bootstrap effort with real-life consequences, both good and bad.  If we ignore this and are unwilling to roll up our sleeves, then there is no point in continuing this 50-year farce.

Posted by 357 on Thu, 22 May 2008 16:52 | #

“So one wonders how it is that the dozens of stories that are there to be told about the real meaning of demographic change in the West and about the many poisons in our political bloodstream are, so far as I know, untouched by film-makers of this quality.”

This presentation by Roy Beck tells us all we need to know about the looming demographic disaster that is about to befall the Western nations:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871651411393887069

Posted by Old Guy on Thu, 22 May 2008 17:38 | #

The Sanhedrin do not meet in an open public square.

The Protocols were not drafted in a televised meeting.

Esoteric discourse and Exoteric discourse are not the same, and not intended for the same audiences.

Ideas have Consequences.

Posted by Old Guy on Thu, 22 May 2008 17:40 | #

(extension of my preceeding comment)

In discourse war the weapons are memes embedded in discourse.

Weapons need to be forged.

The “forge” is a place to do that.

Where is the forge?

Posted by Nux Gnomica on Thu, 22 May 2008 18:42 | #

What’s the best way to wake people up fast…?

Pain. And a lot could arrive very shortly. The far left are getting excited at the prospect, but I hope the forces at work aren’t going to be in their favour. As for conversion: I read a long time ago about Billy Graham that his mass evangelism was spectacular but much less successful than personal evangelism. Every little counts, as the ant said pissing into the sea.

GT’s comment above is good. This comment at Steve Sailer’s blog is relevant too (made by a MRer?):

Christ Almighty. What a grotesque exercise in futility. Us trying to “manage” Iraqi organized crime networks.

We won the War in Iraq Part II a long time ago. We deposed the Baathist regime with great efficiency. All we had to do then was leave. That would have been the pre-matriarchal, pre-liberal action of the old United States of America. Real men, wise men, would have simply gone home. But, no, us “modern men”, we had to stay and rebuild Iraq and then “spread democracy”. We had to engage in nation-building because otherwise all of the female voters stateside would’ve have been worrying about the Iraqi chaos and fallout if had we left? Or something? Was that it? Would the bleeding heart ladies of the U.S.A. have marched on Washington? Would Code Pink have demanded a return to Iraq and then more war? The answer is NO. I am saying that the entire Colin Powell “you broke it, you bought it” meme was bullshit from the getgo. That was one enormous truckload of bullshit.

I know that not a single red-blooded male American citizen would have worried about how the Iraqi factions would’ve worked things out had we simply left the country after deposing the Baathist regime. Imagine that. Just leave. We left Vietnam and 99% of Americans didn’t give another thought to that damn place again for the rest of their entire lives! “Vietnam? We tried to do the right thing. Fuck them.” Think about it. We were heroes just for getting rid of Saddam. He viciously attacked his own citizens and all of his neighbors. He was a menace. We did the entire Middle East region a favor by removing Saddam and afterward we owed them and the rest of the world NOTHING ELSE. Think about it. Was it French post-war bitching that we were so afraid of? Turkish? Chinese? Israeli? British? Was it long accusatory speeches at the big bad U.N.? Don’t think so. So what if there was a civil war? A civil war was bound to happen anyway. And what is so bad about a civil war in the big scheme of things? What the hell would the United States be today without a civil war? Civil war is sometimes necessary to advance civilization. Patriarchal societies understand that. A totally backward society like Saddam-era Iraq is going to have to experience a civil war in order to advance.

Yes, all we had to do was leave and, of course, guarantee to return and punish any future Iraq regime that tried to pull the same crap the Saddam’s regime did. Was that such an impossible a plan of action? For 1/100th the cost of long-term occupation and rebuilding we could’ve gone back and bombed the crap out of Iraq every 5 years, if necessary. We could’ve done that like clockwork from now until the end of time. President Woodrow Wilson was an insane liberal. And his policies never worked. Au contraire, his policies only poisoned the world and set the stage for much worse events. And George W. Bush never learned a damn thing from that history. That highlights the danger of electing an non-curious mind to the office of POTUS. Now I know what some are thinking. The entire lunatic liberal nation-building exercise was a cover story for making Iraq “safe for Israel by rendering Iraq an occupied zone”. But, if you stop and think about it, that ulterior motive type of operation never could have been implemented if the domestic society of the U.S.A. was not already transformed into a liberal matriarchy. And that is the problem.

Liberal matriarchies do insane acts that are not in their own national interests and then they quickly collapse. All of the European nations that are currently being swamped by Muslims are matriarchies. This is why the historical record is a patchwork of competing patriarchies and not competing matriarchies. Matriarchies are illogical and self-destructive. Once established (which is very rare and probably only possible with extreme wealth and affluence) matriarchies flicker briefly and then are consumed by stronger and more stable polities. Anyway, after absorbing absurd, stranger-than-fiction nonsense about the U.S. Marines “managing” mafia intrigues in the Iraq War theater, Steve Sailer readers might want to consider the imminent collapse of our dysfunctional matriarchy here at home. One thing leads to another.

“Sons of Iraq? Or Baghdad’s Sopranos?”

Posted by Old Guy on Fri, 23 May 2008 00:39 | #

John R. Boyd’s essay on Destruction and Creation

A theoretical framework for understanding struggle

http://www.projectwhitehorse.com/destructcreatecontinued.html

Posted by art on Fri, 23 May 2008 01:41 | #

What is the status of the ‘meta-theory’? Given that events do appear to offer us opportunities have we got a coherent set of ideas or meta-theory we can present to say, possibly 10% of the population, who could be awakened?

Posted by Old Guy on Fri, 23 May 2008 02:24 | #

Meta-theory?  You want Meta-theory?

for a 197 frame online slideshow on the topic, go to http://www.slideshare.net/ddebowczyk/patterns-of-conflict-john-r-boyd

Question:  Is metatheory suitable for exoteric discourse?  Or ... are we all just using MR as a TV substitute?

Posted by Robert Reis on Fri, 23 May 2008 09:26 | #

The Northern League is shockingly radical ... In the past, the party has suggested that the navy open fire on rafts of illegal immigrants in the Mediterranean. Roberto Calderoli, who has been given a cabinet post in the new administration, is particularly colorful: he had to resign from the cabinet of the previous Berlusconi administration for wearing a Mohammed cartoon t-shirt. He once dismissed the French soccer team as a pack of “negroes, communists, and Muslims.” He also appears at the opening of mosques and threatens “pig day” protests to defile them. He even once walked his own pet pig over a mosque site.

http://inverted-world.com/index.php/blog/blog/italys_turn_to_the_right/

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Posted by Nux Gnomica on Fri, 23 May 2008 16:02 | #

Interesting dichotomy in a headline at the Guardian:

Platform for free speech ... or hate?

Set up as a means for readers to publish their opinions, sites such as My Telegraph raise questions at the heart of the online debate

Sean Dodson on the perils of opening up news websites to readers

It’s perilous, alright. You get haters answering back to their betters:

  “Long-exploded” in your marxoid-Boasian dreams, Rose. You are a dinosaur from Stephen Jay Gould’s corner of Jurassic Park.

  The existence of average differences in IQ between mankind’s major races which are substantial and predictable; the fact that IQ measures something real and important; the robustness of the methods used to assay these scores; their persistence, their incorrigibility by human post-natal interventions and social engineering; and their tremendous impact on the collective outcomes for these groups… all are so well established that it is hardly a matter of serious dispute among consenting psychometricians in private any more.

  Now it’s just a matter of breaking gently to ordinary people the news that the real deal is what their common sense told them all along. The bromides the PC experts kept stuffing down their throats from c. 1950 were nothing more. Race is back, and it’s bigger than ever. Just rejoice at that news!

  Most will shrug their shoulders and say “we knew all along—like dog breeds, isn’t it?” A few gormless liberals will have nerve storms: the Nazis are coming, we must go on lying!

  But it’s too late. Now medical genetics are further confirming racial variation in the genotypes of sub-species, including their brains, and enormous policy implications are opening up—which researchers not hag-ridden by Rose’s egalitarian mysticism will certainly not ignore, even if his kind keep the lid on honest debate for a few years longer in the West, censoring and sacking.

  We will merely lag behind China, Japan, Russia and India: where science is unshackled by soppiness, and where the very idea of race as “only skin deep” or a “social construct”, of IQ as “culturally biased” and all the other squid ink squirted by Steven, Jacqueline and their dwindling tribe of lefty Luddites is laughed to scorn every day.

  Darwin wouldn’t be surprised at the change in the wind that at last has arrived. He might, however, be horrified at how those who profess to teach in his name have suppressed the most important aspect of his theory, in the service of a Platonic falsehood.

Anti-racism is the opium of the Marxoids

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 23 May 2008 17:21 | #

The letter to Steven Rose posted by Nux above sounded so much like the work of one “John Standing” I clicked the link to check the writer’s name — it wasn’t he, but someone signing as “Hal Onsgard.”  Good letter though, to be sure (Onsgard sounds like a good man to have on your side).  So were many others in that thread, including this by our own Bert Rustle (which I noticed a few places below Onsgard’s):

The current academic debate is whether intelligence is 50% or 80% inherited, not whether we are born a “blank slate”.  Neither Watson nor Rose is an eminent researcher in intelligence.  Watson is merely quoting the results obtained by others.

Large quantifiable differences exist between races, including disease resistance, pharmaceutical response, lactose tolerance, testosterone levels, maturation rates and intelligence.  There are a great many Africans who are much more intelligent than a great many Europeans but pro-rata to population size there are less.  As most top jobs will be held by clever people there will be relatively more Europeans than Africans.  Requiring that examination pass rates or employment success must be pro-rata with the sizes of population groups does contradict scientific observations, are not achievable and do give rise to false accusations of prejudice.

For the record, on average, Europeans are less intelligent than the Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews.  In the hard sciences, Ashkenazi Jews are around ten times over represented as Nobel Prize winners.  According to the “Journal of Blacks in Higher Education” (USA), in 2004, 2,100 doctorates were awarded in mathematics, science and engineering - not one of these 2,100 doctoral degrees went to an African American.

The work of Bruce Lahn identifies particular genes associated with intelligence and demonstrates that they are not uniformly distributed across the various population groups.  This was in a recent UK TV Channel 4 documentary which used Lahn’s research but as I recollect they omitted the distribution result.  I wonder why?

New York Times journalist Nicholas Wade has written many articles around this area, see his book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Before-Dawn-Recovering-History-Ancestors/dp/0715636588  A us.er friendly starting point is Linda Gottfredson’s page: http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/pubtopics.htm  Or S.ee for example “Thirty years of research on race differences in cognitive ability” by Rushton & Jensen, summarised at http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530

“A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.  The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world ... ” .

Posted by Proofreader on Fri, 23 May 2008 22:36 | #

My approach is the following: I am open about my ideas but I don’t go out of my way to make a statement.
I just act natural. You’ll find most people agree with you if you appeal to common sense, even some liberals. We can do much more than whine and moan over the internet. We can bring converts to the cause, one by one.

As to gaining political power, we need to infiltrate the media, academia and political parties. Look at the Left, how did they take over in less than 50 years? : with stealth, cunning and patience. A Long March through the Institutions is what we have to do.
And I repeat, we need to infiltrate ALL political parties, not just form one after our fashion, BNP-style, but penetrate the existing political machinery and turn it inside out. Same with the MSM and the universities.
In short, we need to work on our Gramsci.

If we are to defeat the forces of liberalism and euro-extermination, I submit that we must use their very weapons against them. Time is running out, but we still have 50 years ahead of us to put up a fight. A dirty and nasty fight, you might say.

To answer your question, GW, we don’t need to wait for everybody to wake up. We just need a few good men. The rest will wake up as we go along reclaiming what’s ours by birth-right. They’ll join in time.

Posted by Nux Gnomica on Fri, 23 May 2008 23:07 | #

The letter to Steven Rose posted by Nux above…

I’ve quoted it here before. If I’m not able to write something as good as that, at least I can spread it.

Posted by ben on Sat, 24 May 2008 01:36 | #

Ultimately the problem, of course, is Jewish subversion. Jews are people with deep and a possibly natural hatred of, in particular, Christians and Muslims.

Firstly, we can take some comfort in the realisation that East Asian, notably Chinese elite but also others, fully understand this and are too rightly concerned about Jewish designs on their own culture—re the predictable emergence of the Spielberg/Sudan and Hollywood/Tibet issues.

Clearly the Iranians et al., from bitter experience, are equally clued in to Jewish strategies. Thus I am of the view that we, that is Christian Europeans, should seek both to inform and ally with both mid and far Eastern populations in combatting our common enemy.  This is where we should be concentrating our efforts. Outreaching to Muslims and East Asians.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 25 May 2008 00:27 | #

Proofreader: “Time is running out, but we still have 50 years ahead of us to put up a fight.”

Always assuming that Kaletsky, writing in the Times last Thursday, is right about the speculation-driven bubble of rising commodity prices, and the Peak boys are wrong.  At least, for now.

However, my purpose in this article was to raise the issue of networking.  This would be a proactive process of building networks of strategically useful people ... people with valuable talents. It’s an alternative to relying upon the indiscriminate, broadcast methods we employ today ... the difference in business terms between headhunting key employees and advertising in the papers.

The tens of thousands of people who read this blog every month must, in toto, possess some manner of contact to every profession under the sun.  Of course, the question is whether just anybody can be woken up (by a party who has no particular skill at that).  We know it can take years to accomplish.  Hence my closing question.

Posted by Robert Reis on Sun, 25 May 2008 08:32 | #

I recommend

Here be Psychopaths and Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

Every now and then you see blinding clear evidence that some people, some nations, some systems are pure evil ...
Saturday, May 24

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/

Posted by Proofreader on Sun, 25 May 2008 09:39 | #

GW, I don’t know much about peak oil, but I am always wary about doom-sayers. Oil prices are rising,but it may be due to several causes, not just scarcity. What I do expect is a gradual change from oil to some other source of energy, of which there are plenty. The Oil Age replaced coal: we could be on the verge of another momentous change.

Networking is exactly what I had in mind when I said we needed to infiltrate society where it counts: the parties, institutions, the media and academia, etc. No need to start from scratch: no need to even create new political parties.
Power is always there, waiting to be taken over by groups willing to displace those wielding it at the moment. Let’s do the same trick the left did on us during the last 50 years but in reverse.

As to the question of awakening, we don’t need to awaken everybody. Society is for the most part composed of individuals in deep slumber. Those will just follow when we change the Zeitgeist and wrest power from the left. As you said, just target the thinking men and those who are ready to act. Anybody with determination and a modicum of skills and intelligence can make a change in their own limited capacity, whether they work for the State or in the private sector. And in all manners of ways: passive resistance, intelligence work, upward mobility, etc.

Posted by Robert Reis on Mon, 26 May 2008 20:04 | #

Time to fold up the tents on human rights commissions

May 26, 2008 — By Mischa Popoff

When it comes to washing hands in a restaurant there’s no room for compromise, right? If you serve food you must wash your hands. Surely nothing could contravene such a basic rule, right? Well you don’t know Canadian human rights commissions.

The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal has ruled that Beena Datt is exempt from the rules of hygiene because she has a skin condition which is irritated by soap and water. In order to protect her rights, the commission ruled that even though hand washing is the law in B.C., McDonald’s Restaurants can’t require Datt to wash her hands when she starts a shift, after going to the toilet, or whenever an alarm sounds reminding employees to wash up.

As the grand finale to this three-ring circus, McDonalds was ordered to pay Datt $50,000. In case you think this is an isolated incident, the Alberta Human Rights Commission has declared it a human right to work in a restaurant while infected with hepatitis. Everyone feel better now?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 26 May 2008 21:08 | #

“Time to fold up the tents on human rights commissions”  (—Robert Reis)

Here‘s the guy who saddled the poor Canadians with them and no you’ll never guess his ethnicity never never never in a million years you wont’ guess it.  No cheating, no peeking at the link!  You WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GUESS IT, it’s just too unlikely, the odds against it are simply astronomical.