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Remembering wintermute I checked the site mailbox yesterday - something I have done less frequently since it was moved by the ISP to webmail, which I find to be a problematic platform. Anyway, I managed to access it and I’m glad I did because there were a couple of mails of real interest. One of them was a source of sadness, and confirmed the death of a past friend of MR and a man whom many more than just myself held in high respect. Wintermute - WM, for short - arrived at MR early in its history, at the same time as the also redoubtable ben tillman. Indeed, they operated on occasion rather like a tag team, and woe betide anyone who incurred their disfavour. WM’s mission was to convert the world to his version of the Single Jewish Cause. For some reason he had ventured away from his usual stamping ground at The Phora and selected MR as a suitable case for treatment. This was not actually what I needed at that time. Of course there was no reason that WM should hold back. He did not know that MR was an experiment on a highly unstable material, or that he was lighting a naked flame every time he came here. He did not stop to examine the cast of actors in this tragi-comedy. To him, conservatives and libertarians from Oz, paleos from the US, trad cons from the UK and Belgium and proto-nationalists from all over were all people equally in need of grasping the one thing guaranteed to blow the place sky-high. I attempted to keep my experiment running. He attempted to make it in his image. I avoided confrontation. He sought it. That was the way of things. Every barrier I threw up he dutifully dismantled - not always, it must be said, with the most insightful diagnosis of my ideological failings. Here, for example, he puts my resistance down to “social conservative propriety”:
This remains the only occasion on which anyone has informed me that social conservatism rather than, say, Weimar liberalism, could be a factor in the rise of National Socialism. Obviously, I had expected WM to be a make-believe National Socialist, like so many German-American WNs I had encountered on the net. But he wasn’t at all that way inclined. Probably, he was just too well read. Looking back at his commentary I find a WM who, although he couldn’t be clearer about the Jewish impact on our life, was never very clear about his own political antecedents and principles. MR was a place to which one came to contest those very goods. It was wholly predicated on the hierarchy of values which has, at its peak, the survival and continuity of European peoples, and on the inevitability that contact with that would inform and renew all who thought otherwise. But somehow WM floated above all that. I came close to nailing him down once or twice. I remember proffering the opinion one time that, had it survived Hitler’s wars of aggression, National Socialism would, over time, have de-radicalised and subsided into a conservative force in its own right. He agreed, to my surprise, and explained why. Shortly after, still trying to pigeon-hole the man, I offered the judgement that “You are, I believe, a white nationalist.” But nope, he confounded me again:
Then one day he was gone. In honour of him I wrote a piece about courage and the unity of men, and that was that. Or nearly that, because we then began an exchange of private mails in which more of him emerged. What I found was a man of the spirit, brave in the face of what seemed to be a debilitating illness that he would eventually be unable to beat. But he was spiritual in that other sense, too. He was, or had been, a Gurdjieffian; and his natural bent was not at all that of the angry, Jewphobic WN but of a man straining for some permanency and right, and doing it with culture and principle and, always, stylish prose. I remember saying that if he ever wants to write about his real worldview, minus the Jewish stuff, I would gladly publish it. But he didn’t want that. He was a dedicated fighter, a man who had taken a personal decision, a vow perhaps and much against his want and nature, about how he would proceed and why, and nothing could or would change it. Then he stopped replying, and there was no more contact. A few months ago Ben came on one of our threads and I asked him if WM was still in touch. He said he thought he was still down in Texas. But that turned out not to be true. The email I opened yesterday was from an old friend and accomplice of WM who, only just the other day, had read the exchange with Ben, and was very kindly writing to tell me that, in fact, WM passed away over two years ago. One of the lesser harms done to us by the Judaic struggle is that its necessary opposition consumes good men and good minds - sometimes, as in the case of WM, our best. What he might have achieved, had he not made the decision to plough such a narrow furrow, can never be known. It is another loss in a great history of losses that is the story of our people’s struggle to live a life fitted to us in peace and in freedom, and perhaps what WM really meant by “classical liberty”. Those who knew him will remember him well and with gratitude, as do I. Comments:2
Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 21:42 | # Sad news , indeed GW. I got the impression that Wintermute had been an editor for a University Press . He certainly possessed a very well - stocked mind and I owe him a debt of gratitude for his erudite contributions. Some appreciative soul has a website dedicated to Wintermute’s priceless contributions : http://thewisdomofwintermute.blogspot.com/ I hope GW , that you , receive a similar tribute . 3
Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 22:20 | # I think that, with regard to Jewish influence in our racial degradation , Wintermute was a believer in ” main cause” rather than ” single cause” and I think he was correct. Wintermute would have been familiar with Adam Smith’s statement that “there is a great deal of ruin in a nation” , which I understand to mean that it requires a fair measure of political and economic incompetence to bring down a successful people. 4
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 23:26 | # Kind of you, Al. Perhaps nations are like great family estates, of which it is said they can survive one utter wastrel, but not two in succession. We are on our fourth generation of wastrel politicians, and not only politicians but journalists, intellectuals, and the cultural class. How far that desiccation is a product of Jewish thought and Jewish activism is a nice question. Perhaps it should remain permanently under review by each of us. Certainty is such a treacherous device. WM’s tribute site I shall spend some time browsing. Thank you for unearthing it. 5
Posted by Al Ross on Thu, 30 Dec 2021 03:07 | # A nice question , for sure , GW . For example , the Human Rights nonsense surely derives from the residue of Christianity , which , if I have understood Wintermute correctly , means in practical terms, that intelligent White men have retained the poisonous detritus of that obsolete Oriental religion while discarding the ( offensive to our Race ) foreign Supernatural aspects. 6
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 30 Dec 2021 06:58 | # Yes, the position I have arrived at is that we do actually live inside the Jewish mind, in so much as the fundamental conditioning factor in our life is Christianity and its secular child liberalism. To parse the wavy line twixt what, in us, belongs to the Jewish model of the gentile at End Time and what belongs wholesale and sans questions to us is an undertaking I have not yet attempted. Some time I might do that. If it were simple it would have been done. But in places where our natural spirituality has co-opted and transformed Christianity, rather than Christianity has co-opted and transformed us, the line has been made indistinct or even rubbed out entirely. It would take someone more familiar with the workings of the faith than I, today, to make the necessary incision. With liberalism and, of course, the legion of Jewish political products which have sprung up from its too too fertile soil, the situation is much easier. Nationalism itself, and traditional conservatism too, is a scalpel. Everything we say and do attends to the work of slicing away the religions of the liberal individual and the equal man from the firm ground of who and what we truly are. 7
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 30 Dec 2021 12:59 | # From Al’s link: “Catholics are obviously politically untrustworthy, and I would say that they act like Jews, but lack the racial instincts for long-term crypsis and the almost supernatural levels of dissumulation of which even the meanest Jew seems born capable of.”—Wintermute There are some pretty nasty Jews who pose as being benevolent (e.g., George Soros et al.) but Mr. Wintermute applies that nasty attribute across the board, which, of course, makes him come across to the normies as being in the category of the obsessed, eccentric, even a bit unhinged. OTOH, it’s mostly ppl who’ve become zealous antisemites who’re going to take ppl with Wintermute’s mindset seriously. It’s possible some very learned people in the field of theology might be interested in why Wintermute came to his conclusions—but only for the purpose of challenging and deconstructing his premises. GW writes: “We are on our fourth generation of wastrel politicians, and not only politicians but journalists, intellectuals, and the cultural class. How far that desiccation is a product of Jewish thought and Jewish activism is a nice question. Perhaps it should remain permanently under review by each of us. I think you hit the sweet spot there. 8
Posted by Nick Dean on Fri, 31 Dec 2021 07:21 | # Oh dear, I feared as much. Do we know exactly when he died, did he survive his father? He mentioned working on a book length work once, many years ago. It would be a real shame if that is lost. 9
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 00:36 | # I wonder how and why Wintermute would disagree with this: “When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed.” -Ayn Rand 10
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 03:33 | # Superb post , Thorn , whether you knew it or not . The great Wintermute introduced many racialists , myself included , to the term ” Jewish crypsis.” Guess what Ayn Rand’s real name is ? 11
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 03:45 | # No mention in the Thorn ((( Ayn Rand ))) quote of customary Semitic usury and slum landlordism , just alleged Jew resentment - laden ,WASP establishment corruption ( Mafia in New York ? ). 12
Posted by TK on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 05:24 | # RIP, WM. After so many years, you still come across with much life. 13
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 12:45 | # @10 “Jewish crypsis.” Interesting concept. Did the “great Wintermute” introduced to you a coherent explanation of who or what a Jew actually is? Who are they? Who qualifies for admission? Ayn Rand (Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum) born to a Russian-Jewish bourgeois family living in Saint Petersburg. She was an avowed atheist. I hazard to guess she was a descendant of the Khazar tribe—as most Ashkenazi Jews are. Khazars: a pagan tribe that converted to Judaism back around 740AD. As far as I know the Khazars’ genetic continuity with the ancient Israelites has not been established. So given Ayn Rand was an atheist and had no racial connection to the ancient Israelites how does she qualify as a genuine Jew? It gets back to the question: In this year, 2022, who/what is a Jew? What say you, Al. 14
Posted by Manc on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 15:46 | # So, Who Were the Khazars ? https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/history/articles/history-detective-shapira-khazars 15
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 16:46 | # Are Ashkenazi Jews mainly descended from the Khazar tribes? The answer depends on the interests of who’s writing the history. Those who’re pro-Israel vehemently disagree with the Kazarian hypothesis. Why? Because if the Ashkenazi Jews are, in fact, decedents of non-Jews (aka Kazarian gentiles) it undermines the legitimacy of Israel as a modern Jewish state. It proves most of the world’s Jewish population—included most Jews in Israel—are NOT decedents of Abraham. The debate/obfuscation amongst historians continues on….. 16
Posted by Manc on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 18:30 | # No point in asking me. I’m only a court jester *. However, I am aware that during the time of Imperial Rome and before they were prevented from gaining converts by Christianity, Judaism proselytized. Jewish sources claim to have gained around three million converts to Judaism from the Mediterranean world. They also gained converts from the Arab world. Obviously, there is a need for caution where Jewish maths and large numbers are concerned but Judaism has always been open to converts, which makes your argument concerning the legitimacy of the Jewish state rather redundant, doesn’t it? Israel exists because, between them, Europe, North Africa and the Arab world created the need for a Jewish state - and if not in the former British Mandate, then where? Even David Duke, who for a long time, subscribed to the “Khazar Theory”, abandoned it years ago and posted a three part article on his website explaining why. Let us consider language in the absence of Khazar DNA. Ashkenazi Jews and their various sub-groups didn’t speak a Slavic or mysterious “Khazarian” tongue, did they? No, they spoke in Yiddish, a language which, like English, is largely derived from Middle German. They are not called “The Wandering Jew” for nothing. * An explanation… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSfX-nrg-lI I should add that I don’t gamble - and “the boy genius from New York” is, well, never mind, he knows. 17
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 19:40 | # Well, this gets more preposterous as it unfolds. David Duke writes:
So, Dr. Duke thinks the Khazar Theory was concocted by communist Jews in order to trick gentiles into believing Jews are not a race thus can’t be racist? Laughable. So how does David Duke explain the fact maodern day Jews are represented in all races: independently and combinations thereof? Ever see pics of Chinese Jews? Indian Jews? The Falasha of Ethiopia? The list goes on…. Sometimes Dr. Duke gets it fabulously wrong. One thing for sure, modern-day Jews are not a race; at least not a race that is biologically distinct from all other races. Far from it. 18
Posted by Manc on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 20:50 | # Duke changed his mind on the basis of DNA evidence (there is no Khazar DNA to compare samples with) and the writings of Arthur Koestler (“The 13th Tribe”) who brought the Khazar theory to a modern audience in the belief that if a genetic basis for Judaism was done away with, antisemitism would end. In that, Koestler was not far away from Karl Marx. Duke didn’t need to explain the existence of multi-racial Jews, his concern was the Khazar Theory. If there is no genetic basis for “Jewishness” then you would need to explain why “Askenazi” or “East European Jewish” appears in peoples DNA test results. I speak as someone whose DNA test results (and subsequent research) marks me out as a one man episode of “Peaky Blinders”. As I’ve suggested here on MR before, it is probably best to regard Jews as a Tribe rather than anything else. 19
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 01 Jan 2022 21:19 | # Okay, if there’s credible DNA evidence Ashkenazi Jews are not decedents of the Khazars I can go with that. Personally, it isn’t that important of an issue to me. From what I gather Jews are not necessarily a race or a religion. The term ‘tribe’ doesn’t adequately describe what they are either, but it’s probably the closet term that fits. 20
Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 05 Jan 2022 03:51 | # From what I gather , Judaism is a DNA - based Racial Creed . The Israeli govt believes that to be the case. Turn up at your local synagogue and offer to convert and you will receive the same blank stares as if GW turned up at London’s Indian High Commission , cited Liz Truss’s new Indian immigration - dependent trade deal , and said ” How may I, reciprocally speaking , immigrate to India ?” 21
Posted by Manc on Wed, 05 Jan 2022 11:01 | # Israel’s right of return requires applicants to have at least one Jewish grandparent along with the relevant documentation. DNA test results alone are insufficient*. and converts often have to go through the Israeli legal system. There are even the descendants of Peruvian Indian converts to Judaism living in Israel. 22
Posted by Thorn on Wed, 05 Jan 2022 13:27 | # @21 Even the Jewish immigration lawyer, Joshua Pex, acknowledges that the question of who or what a Jew is is very ambiguous and debatable. 23
Posted by Manc on Wed, 05 Jan 2022 14:41 | # @22 - Yes, that is the article I linked to. As I understand it, to be Jewish from birth requires a Jewish mother, otherwise the individual would have to convert. Although in recent years some liberal synagogues in America have been accepting those with a Jewish father. 25
Posted by Thorn on Wed, 05 Jan 2022 17:24 | # This excerpt is from, IMHO, one of the best books ever written on the subject of Jews. Chapter14 WHO/WHAT IS A JEW?
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Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 05 Jan 2022 22:23 | # Interesting that when Israelis , post 1948 , decided on the one grandparent rule for Law of Return immigrants , they copied exactly Herr Hitler’s definition of who is a Jew. Of course, employing that definition meant that there were quite a number of Jews serving in both the Nazi Party and the German Army during WW2. Indeed , an American scholar , Dr. Bryan Rigg , was awarded a Cambridge PhD for a thesis which he developed into an interesting book , “Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers.’ 27
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 06 Jan 2022 11:57 | #
http://holywar.org/jewishtr/14who.htm
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Posted by Thorn on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 16:19 | #
I think most race-realists who’ve spent time researching the JQ found themselves (myself included) falling into a process whereas their worldview becomes narrower and narrower. At some point the person either realizes their mistake and breaks free, or they continue to ensnare themselves in the Single Jewish Cause trap via confirmation bias.