Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:27 | #

It’s worth pointing out that the regular response to the above offerings, of which there have been perhaps ten or maximum twelve over the last several months, has been to ask what could replace the Nietzschean teleology.  In fact, this question was answered by British Nationalists themselves when, at the turn of the millennium, they borrowed Walker Connor’s term “ethnonationism”.  Connor was an American sociologist, and not a philosopher at all, and his concern was to account for the social phenomenon of non-civic, non-cultural national self-expression, and to do it with intellectual rigour - that is to say, without the scarring and intellectually abortive assumptions others had derived from the history of the mid-20th century.  Connor had not attempted to supply a working philosophical model, and indeed there remained none when the BNP arrived on the scene with the new appellation in tow.

Inevitably, the term itself was only employed cosmetically, as a convenient device to distance the party from that political object of contempt and hatred which the anti-Nazi crazies had successfully fashioned for public consumption.  As we know only too well, that didn’t work.  But, in any case, the great majority of the actors involved in the nationalist scene remained attached emotionally and intellectually to the Nietzschean edgelord thing.  As for ethnic nationalism itself (which, of course, had no connection whatever to Nietzsche) it just lay there in the people’s life like a buried artefact awaiting discovery by some archaeologist of the human instinct, and it lies there still.  When nationalists ask me with what, then, one might replace the life of glory, the answer is: all the true life of our kind, freely known unto us all and naturally expressed by us all. 

That expression is Heideggerian.  But there is a catch.  For while Heidegger’s ontology is a key referent in any serious nationalism of ethnicity, as is Nietzsche - actually “Nietzsche” - in the fascistic forms, and while the existential import of his thought does open to a whole and natural collective life, it does not provide a viable foundation for a politics of change ... a politics of the re-establishment (or re-emergence) of that life.  As the principal political focus, Being qua simply being is too passive and plant-like to move men and women to great political deeds.  And that’s what I am trying, in my own very inadequate way, to work on.  I would like a hundred helping hands.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 05 May 2021 15:19 | #

JQ material at PA continues to appear from time to time, both in the articles and comments.  The latest instance is B Hall’s piece here:

https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/man_u_other_fans_warning

... on the anti-Gazer rebellion at ManU.  To which I responded with the following comment:

The place for discussion of that question again is NOT within a group which seeks to become a serious political party. There are still plenty of places on the internet where such discussion takes place, but PA has a destiny above all that. It is incumbent on you and everyone associated with it to understand that reality and discipline yourself. It is precisely that discipline which those who oppose our people’s political self-expression fear.

This really is down to Mark and Laura to fix.  They have been wrestling for ages with trying to get a party registration out of the Electoral Commission.  It is high time they understood that their house has to be clean.

Posted by mancinblack on Wed, 05 May 2021 18:42 | #

No matter how bad things might seem, they could always be worse. In the 1990’s, shortly after MUFC became a Plc, Rupert Murdoch launched an unsuccessful takeover bid for the club. In 1984 Robert Maxwell had a bid of £10m rejected by the board. £10m was considered a serious offer. Today and largely due to the Glazer’s MUFC has a value of £3.5 billion, surely they are doing something right ?

In the 1950’s Louis Edwards became majority shareholder and chairman. Edwards died of a heart attack in his bath in 1979 during police investigations concerning his meat supply business. Allegations dating back to 1966 included bribery of council and company staff over the supply of meat to schools, meat , which according to Manchester council , was grossly substandard and supplied to the poorest parts of the city. In 1978 Edwards company was fined under the Food and Drugs Act for supplying substandard meat to schools in Cheshire. At the same time, the football club was under investigation over bribery and illegal payments made to players.

Louis was succeeded by his son, Martin, who is best known for his serial adultery and an incident in the women’s toilet at a hotel in Mottram. Martin was also one of the so-called “big five”, who were the main drivers behind the creation of the Premier League. In 1985 he said..

The smaller clubs are bleeding the game dry. For the sake of the game, they should be put to sleep

Just to be even handed, the other club in Manchester have behaved far worse. During the 1930’s City reached an almost Peaky Blinders level of criminality…and then there’s the last ten years since they struck oil.

Whoever first called football “the beautiful game” needs glasses. Football has never been beautiful. If you want to watch something beautiful, go to the ballet. For most of its history the real face of football has looked like the back of a bus.

Perhaps it’s just me but compared with what’s gone before the Glazer family seem almost saintly.

Now, Morgoth has finally closed his jail bait comment section, citing the recent experience of Laura T as the reason, although I believe he’d wanted to do that much earlier. Perhaps it is beyond some of the contributors at PA to switch on their brain before they type?

Posted by DanielS on Thu, 06 May 2021 03:32 | #

Tact, discretion and staying within the law is more advisable than ever, especially since we now have means to join cause and organize on behalf of ethnonational autonomy, whereas attendant awareness and means of organizing was even more blocked in the days of three TV channels and NO internet. While that circumstance abetted a lack of confirmation and information, corresponding desperation for voice as those who hate/don’t care about our people set about destroying our kind, and lent weight to the apparent need for marketing campaign tactics of Rockwell, even, the violent and terrorist means of The Order and spin off tactics of lone wolf activism, it is no longer quite arguably necessary; we can probably get our voice out enough, the reasons for our pursuit of ethnonati0nal autonomy enough.

...at the same time, we are even less organized than ever for such sympathy for terroristic violence to gain support and lend sway to ethnonationalism; and we are more in need of organization than ever. Association with the legitimately stigmatized, divisive platform of Nazism, over sympathy with terror and genocide doesn’t help.

While we can sympathize with the rage even of those who would over-sympathize with the Nazis, and I myself have at times tried too hard, erring in tact in effort to bring this sort around - recently sloppily advising one of these sorts that a particular proponent of lone wolf tactics was good, endorsing that he should be sought out for conversation, in order to show that I could relate to his level of rage - trying to encourage an ameliorative re-direction, as this proponent of lone wolf activism discouraged Hitler reverence and inter European animus, my own empathy with overcompensating rage from pre internet days was an error in judgement; I disavow any recommendation and any valence with the desperate substitutes for voice and means to organize in pursuit of autonomy as emotional hold over from days when more blocked. While I am now correcting this, disavowing any recommendation of association with lone wolf tactics that may be illegal, we cannot expect our adversaries to be so lenient as to allow for a loose, corrective process, over sympathizing with those who have not gotten past a reactive stage where illegal violence, let alone Nazism, feels strongly compelling.

But as to the relevance here, I believe that it may be too late for Mark Collett to clean up his act and lead PA to mainstream representation of ethnonationalism, given his ridiculous idea that one should never apologize (i.e., be accountable to correctives) given his favorite book, association with David Duke, who espouses the “reasonableness” of Hitler and all. Laura’s statements that she’s done absolutely nothing wrong in siding with Collett, along with unqualified endorsement of Oswald Mosley, doesn’t help.

Thus, while GW’s critique of Nietzsche is brilliant, I believe his advice to PA may be a little backwards; while PA probably cannot reasonably hope to be more than a stream leading to a larger, more legitimate English ethnonational* political party, what they can still do as a stream is voice legitimate critique on the J.Q. Although that will be difficult to keep on the right side of the law, keeping it non-violent, moving away from endorsing Nazism and Holocaust denial should help stave off the worst persecution in the promulgation of sane assessment of the J.Q., allowing for the distinguishing of them as another people, their pattern and role as predictably antagonistic to our sovereignty which thus requires separatism - the legitimacy of which will be enhanced in mainstream apprehension by the recognition that violence, let alone Nazism, genocide, and holocaust denial are not a necessary corollaries nor the most practical means to pursuit of ethnonational autonomy.

* I understand that GW prefers the word ethnic, in order to make sure that the particularity of the ethnonations, (viz. English) are distinguished from the genus (European), an emphasis that perhaps Collett fails to make in his cahoots with American WN, it is a bit over sensitive: I guess it’s ok to use the term “ethnic nationalism” but just as White is a tag for the genus, European (which you can identify with, despite what E. Michael Jones and Kyle Rowland try to say), the fact is that the word nation is part of the term, denoting concern for the species as well; ethnonationalims rather being pluralistic of the genus, maintenance of genus and species both, the most moral concern and practical means to look after our species and pervasive ecology.

Posted by DanielS on Thu, 06 May 2021 04:27 | #

corrections

are not a necessary corollaries

...

but it is a bit over-sensitive

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 06 May 2021 22:30 | #

Both the persecution of Laura and her husband and the wise decision of Morgoth to cut loose what he called the ticking time-bomb of MRev’s comments lend force to the arguments which you, Daniel, and I have been making for years; namely that as stated earlier today by myself to Laura

Obviously, the decision to try to saddle you both with a criminal record is political, but the solution from PA’s standpoint is political, too. As long as the old Bowden/Tyndall Nietzschean ideas hold sway, as long as distributism and the JQ are advocated, as long as Mark talks “bravely” of Mein Kampf and David Duke no progress whatever will be made. There must be a re-set at the top, or PA will remain a political equivalent of a dangerous sport. I am trying to point the way, and I know there is some support; but a clear direction must be given by the real powers in the group, and it must be given by example.

I don’t know that they really understand, or want to understand.  I don’t know why what is obvious to us is so hard for them to figure out.  I can’t get a contest of ideas out of any of them.

Posted by Al Ross on Fri, 07 May 2021 06:50 | #

One is entitled to wonder how many philosophers were involved in the planning of this courageous enterprise .

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/24/an-indictment-of-south-africa-whites-only-town-orania-is-booming

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 07 May 2021 08:30 | #

Al, the equivalent of Orania in our circumstance would be Africans here re-grouping somewhere after a nationalist government takes over and sweeps away all past presumptions which underpinned their life in our home.  It would be a rear-guard action against our advance.

To give direction to their advance in SA, blacks had an ideology of reclamation of their native rights against an oppressive European coloniser, much of it worked out for them by Jews in the SACP in the form of a liberation struggle.  Our struggle is not so different from theirs in that it is also a nativist struggle.  But our nativism, although it contains elements of liberationism, has to be focussed on the existential - our existence is under threat, something which was never thought of blacks in SA.

We do not, however, possess an ideology of such nativism.  Instead, since the days of Mosely we have been faffing around with the notions of greatness that powered the rise of Hitler and Mussolini (and, ironically enough, are substantially about the national expansionism and imperialism that brought whites into, say, southern Africa).  In other words, we are completely barking up the wrong ideological tree; and it is making it impossible to argue for our people’s life-cause.

Changing this cannot be accomplished without an ideology for the reason that the past canon of western thought and faith have been major producers of our present circumstance.  That’s why instinct alone is never enough - it leaves the canon in situ, doing what it does.  Obviously, ideologies emerge from philosophies.  So the real beginning is there in our intellectual renewal, and most particularly in the foundational thinking that crystallises that.

Posted by Dr_Eigenvector on Sun, 09 May 2021 23:04 | #

I can’t get a contest of ideas out of any of them.

It’s intimidating just to make a post to say hello to you, GW. Us IQ-lets won’t be challenging you to a contest of ideas any time soon.

The online places I frequent consider PA to be nothing but a ticking timebomb honeypot and avoid it like the plague.

I spend a lot of my time now pleading with others to tone down their comments when they post anything incriminating.

This is a good/horrific read about the current state of play: https://threader.app/thread/1347602223988150274

Our guys are getting pretty demoralised and despondent to put it mildly. All this “winning” is taking it’s toll. Most seem resigned to nihilistically “riding the tiger” and hoping for the best/preparing for the worst. Waiting for their front doors to be put in by the poundland Stasi at 5am. They call it Clown World.

They are not wrong.

honk honk

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 10 May 2021 22:21 | #

Hi Doc, that’s a really sobering piece you link to.  Every nationalist should read it very closely.  Thanks.

Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 11 May 2021 04:22 | #

What is your timeline of Colonialism , GW ?

Roman , Norman or Anglo Saxon ?

You , of course , know that the Dutch forebears of the Afrikaaners met, near the Cape prior to trekking North , only the San people, and not the later Congoids.

  That aside , what do you think of England’s swing to the Tories ?
 
  Having read biographies of both Boris Johnson and David Cameron , I gleaned the distinct impression that neither were interested in doing anything about Race Replacement ( tm Fred Scrooby Esq )

Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 11 May 2021 20:58 | #

Colonialism or colonisation, Al?  Rome was plainly military colonialism.  The Norman Conquest was also military but a limited colonisation that quickly and decisively developed as the replacement of the ruling caste.  The fourth century Germanic ingress also began militarily but functioned as an unlimited colonisation of all that became England and also of southern Scotland.  The modern native populations of England and Scotland merged from that.  The Danelaw was a military occupation and a clearly parasitic project.  It eventually failed.

Depending on which evidence and reporting you accept ...

this Brexity one, say:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/

or this EU one:
https://eupedia.com/genetics/britain_ireland_dna.shtml

... either these three left little genetic trace or they left something quite meaningful.  Myself, I voted Leave.  I’d like to know what your take is, especially on Scots ancestry.

As for line-drawing in our time, for me that’s 22nd June, 1948 at the precise moment when the HMT Empire Windrush entered British territorial waters.  That was the moment when the political class began to go insane and see its own people not as a people at all but as some moral monster that must be prevented from acting in its own cause.  The deeds of the political class since constitute only betrayal and coercion under threat of state violence (see doc’s linked article).  They are not legitimated by our consent, so we are under no moral compunction to accept the results; indeed we must reject them just to survive as the native peoples of the lands which bear our name.

On last week’s election, the results seemed to show a reward for the way that the Tories and the devolved governments handled the Covid thing.  There are other factors at work too, but I am not convinced that the Tories did that great for being Tories.  That said, Boris is a born winner against whom Starmer, of course, looks very weak and may have been found out for the metropolitan fashionista he is.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 25 Sep 2021 08:53 | #

A couple of comments this morning at the Klondrive, where I am continuing the fight to separate nationalists from the Hitlerists:

https://klondrive.blogspot.com/2021/09/howard-carter-and-former-greatness.html#disqus_thread

Guessedworker • 40 minutes ago
Theberton writes at the end of the OP: Don’t forget that people who hold our kind of views are incredibly rare. We might not be in a flourishing culture that produces heroic men like those listed above, and we may fight among ourselves more than most, but we were to all meet face to face, the online turmoil and melodramas would soon melt away.

I think I am right in saying that Theberton would account for himself as an English nationalist, which means he is an ethnic nationalist: an inchoate and, so far, unwritten philosophy, for sure, but by no means an unstated one. If, as I believe, the principal axis of the nationalist system of ideas runs from being to becoming, we can say that ethnic nationalism stands at one end of it and the fascisms such as National Socialism and Judaism stand at the other. In between are arrayed all of the other ideas of a nationalist character, which I need not set out now. But we can usefully compare the extremes of the line.

We can say that ethnic nationalism is existential where NS, say, is propositional. We can say that ethnic nationalism orients towards the preservation and defence of genetic interests, NS towards the expansion of them abroad and thereby the assault on the gene interests of others. We can say that ethnic nationalism is politically conservative while NS is progressive. We can say that ethnic nationalism is emergent from the people’s nature and truth, while NS confects a national character out of its ideals and for its wider purposes. And so forth. These are, then, completely opposite forces within the over-arching unity of nationalism. Theberton’s statement, then, comes down to whether and in what way ethnic nationalists and National Socialists can both claim ownership of nationalism in this End Time.

For me they can’t. Only one can give succour and self-understanding to our people, and guide their turn to their own truth and capacity. The other is in the way.

Followed shortly after by:

Guessedworker  • 18 minutes ago
For clarity, I speak of ethnic nationalism as politically conservative and NS as politically progressive to delineate the former from social conservatism. Both will be socially conservative. But in ethnic nationalism the people are sovereign - a dispensation which harks back to the fundamental condition of the tribe. But in the fascisms it is the state which is sovereign and the people subject, which is a modernist order and which leads into the view that the people are improvable. Hence eugenics in Hitler’s Germany and the (somewhat unscientific) attempt to wipe out homosexuality.

Klondrive, btw, is the excellent handiwork of Theberton, who for several years was the creator of visual and sound content for Morgoth.  I don’t think anybody realised that when he took over Morgoth’s commentariat at his new site and began writing OPs he would produce such a good and interesting content.  It is gratifying to see another talent emerge into the light.