A part of your heritage someone is trying to preserve
The first revelation The ARMA afforded me was the depth of the lie of the Hollywood image of knightly combat.* Knights are presented as lumbering armored buffoons hacking away at one another without a trace of finesse or skill. I was aware of the Hollywood misconception of plate mail (it does not render the wearer a ponderous oaf, in fact one can do in plate mail most of what one can do out of it).** I was not aware of how shabbily Hollywood was treating knightly martial skill. Of course, much blame rests at the feet of academia. After all, who in his right mind would only blame Hollywood for grossly misrepresenting western history when western historians can’t be bothered to defend or even know it themselves? The ARMA argues its case well, as these quotes show:-
(From The “Politically Correct” Study of European Martial Arts?) Those quotes touch on why knightly combat has suffered such an Orwellian inversion, so let’s explore the how:-
(From A Short Introduction to Historical European Martial Arts) Reading around at The ARMA site, a picture of Medieval and Renaissance combat rapidly emerges that contradicts nearly everything Hollywood has taught us. As a youth, I was something of a Niponophile, and in light of that fact and my gradual conversion into a Europhile into adulthood, I found this essay on The Medieval European Knight vs The Feudal Japanese Samurai especially interesting and gratifying. I find it interesting to speculate on how different public perception of and interest in martial arts might be if the west was gifted with a Hollywood explicitly interested in strengthening and illuminating western history and tradition instead of weakening and obfuscating them. Hollywood at best ignores western martial history, at worst disparages and misrepresents it, and universally promotes eastern martial arts as the sole legitimate martial tradition; what if we had a Hollywood with western man’s best interests at heart, that saw the eastern tradition not as a proxy fighter in a racial and cultural war but as a competitor? Might we have had a film industry that vigorously sought out, popularized, and consecrated western traditions? Might we have a thriving western martial arts industry instead of a thriving eastern one? Might children be growing up watching a Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers that glorifies western themes and styles instead of eastern ones? Might “the way of the gun,” the sole western martial tradition that is taken seriously by the public reside in an entirely different context? There is a myriad of such questions raised by this speculation. As a final thought, I should address the inevitable (and supremely problematic) question, “which tradition is superior?” I’ll leave the reader with this quote, from which I intuit a possible seed for my own answer:-
(From History and Heritage) I recommend MR readers peruse the essays and reading and research pages at The ARMA Website. I think it’s safe to state there is considerable overlap between the target audiences of both sites, and to suggest a link to The ARMA Website might be in order. On a tangent, readers interested in role-playing games might want to take a look at The Riddle of Steel. TroS has been endorsed by The ARMA for its historically accurate portrayal of combat. * I regard as a plain liar a person who spends millions of dollars on a period film without due diligence towards accurately presenting history. In the context of Hollywood as western culture-destroyer I think my view is even more justified. (in other words, I’m stating that Hollywood’s presentation of knightly combat as in many cases its complete opposite is in no way, shape, or form an honest mistake). ** The chief drawback of plate mail is not mobility, but heat; ventilation was a constant worry for armored knights of the high and late middle ages. SVIGOR Comments:2
Posted by Stuka on Sun, 08 May 2005 04:02 | # Very interesting. I’ve long wanted to get involved in something like this, but all that seems to be on offer are Asian, Brazilian, Russian, & Israeli martial arts programs. Ideally I’d like to see a network of ‘paramilitary’ organizations, based on the old rifle clubs and student duelling societies in Germany. 3
Posted by john rackell on Sun, 08 May 2005 05:07 | # These Western martial arts are interesting from an historical perspective but the idea of carrying a concealed long sword in my shorts would fill me with dread. About the Asian martial arts, they were borne out of the despotic cultures of the East where the state allowed no personal weapons. Similarly the UK has banned firearms (except for West Indian Yardies) and the courts barely acknowledge any legitimate right of self-defense. Even carrying a concealed knife has severe sanctions. That leaves the ‘unarmed’ self defense commonly associated with the Eastern arts as the only alternative. Perhaps the despotic Eastern states also gave ineffectual guarantees of safety to their populations like ours do. We agree to disarm ourselves in exchange for the police assuring us they will “briefly question” our attackers. The development of the Asian martial arts was the self-defense response of a disarmed population. The situation that parallels what we find in the West today: an overbearing state that only knows how to stick it to its law abiding citizens. The Art of Silent Killing: WWII British Commando Style It documents the WWII development of the Sykes/Fairbanks system of close quarter combat and is about as lethal as you can get without a weapon. 4
Posted by James Bowery on Sun, 08 May 2005 09:03 | # The Second Amendment to the US Consitution is in direct conflict with the Eight Amendment wherein it is the modern interpretation that it is legitimate to place men in combat with each other in the prison system without armaments. The result is racist prisoner rape since use of tools is primarily a characteristic of the human habitats outside of Africa. 5
Posted by Pericles on Sun, 08 May 2005 11:37 | # Traditional martial arts require years of dedicated practice before being truly effective in street fighting. That is why Krav Maga has become popular. The IDF do not piss around. In the UK, http://www.kravmagendavid.com/ is a site that offers lessons and I for one have benefited from such training. It is Sykes/Fairbanks with attitude. Pericles 6
Posted by Svigor on Sun, 08 May 2005 19:02 | # These Western martial arts are interesting from an historical perspective but the idea of carrying a concealed long sword in my shorts would fill me with dread. The basic idea behind The ARMA is a resurrection of lost western fighting arts, not self-defense. Gun-fu will remain the primary art of self-defense in free western nations. On the other hand, in not-so-free nations like England, I can see the merit of keeping a sword on one’s bedroom wall and in knowing how to use it. Sword-canes are another possibility I suppose. About the Asian martial arts, they were borne out of the despotic cultures of the East where the state allowed no personal weapons. I’ve read the same thing, and I don’t buy that. That may’ve been a contributing factor, but it wasn’t a necessary one. The ancient Greeks developed advanced unarmed martial arts, as did other European cultures. The samurai class of Japan did as well, and the techniques were explicitly based on kenjutsu (swordplay). The two swords were the very hallmark of the samurai, and to my knowledge a ban of the two swords didn’t contribute to this development. The western knight incorporated grappling, kicking, etc. into his martial training (in a systematic way). The simple fact is that sometimes a warrior is disarmed, and it makes sense for him to know how to fight well in that situation. I don’t really buy the current western craze for eastern martial arts as strictly a self-defense thing anyways. All those women learning eastern MA are essentially wasting their time if self-defense is their goal, and it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. They’re looking for (false) self-confidence, exercise, and a “spiritual journey” in my opinion. If self-defense was what they were after, they’d be at a gun range or learning knife-fighting; learning knife-fighting is an infinitely more practical method of self-defense (especially for women) than any unarmed martial art, and learning gun-fu is infinitely moreso. 7
Posted by Svigor on Sun, 08 May 2005 19:05 | # Even carrying a concealed knife has severe sanctions. That leaves the ‘unarmed’ self defense commonly associated with the Eastern arts as the only alternative. Mmm, my mistake, I wasn’t aware that even knives were banned in the U.K. That changes things a bit. I think the only way to maintain personal safety in those circumstances is to pack one’s bags and move to a sane country. 8
Posted by Svigor on Sun, 08 May 2005 19:06 | # Oh, I should add that I took three years of a mixed MA class (Aikido-Judo-Jujitsu+house style) in my younger years, so I’m not entirely arguing from my armchair on this one. 9
Posted by Sub on Sun, 08 May 2005 20:57 | # There are several types of European martial arts like Stav, Glima, Sambo, Celtic wrestling, Bretonic wrestling etc.. Give them all a try. 10
Posted by Svigor on Sun, 08 May 2005 21:37 | # There’s also savate. Personally I think Greco-Roman wrestling would make a fine base for a self-defense class (the rules need throwing out). An argument can be made for the mixed martial arts of the UFC variety as an emergent western martial art. 11
Posted by Ken Harding on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 16:35 | # Part of the ressurection of Historical European Martial Arts, beyond the weapons work, are German unarmed grapplings systems, e.g. Ott, Auerswald, Talhoffer, Wallerstein, etc. There’s also hand to hand fighting detailed by the Italian Fiore de Liberei. I think any presentation of this material that omits functional self defense (either implicit or explicit) does a disservice to the material and those who penned it. I also think if you tried to attack a competent ARMA member, you would find that they take their self defense skills seriously. Post a comment:
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Posted by Svigor on Sat, 07 May 2005 23:29 | #
Don’t even get the ARMA folks started on Hollywood’s treatment of swordplay. I’ve only browsed their forum for a few minutes, but I did manage to read a few posts on the subject. The technique is all wrong, edge-on-edge parrying (a big no-no) is the default, etc. Another thing I learned is that swords are light (and replicas usually far too heavy) - I don’t want to quote a number or a range because I’ll probably be wrong. I already knew that a sword doesn’t make a metal-on-metal sound when it comes out of a scabbard, since scabbards are lined with soft material (felt, silk, cotton would be my guesses since memory isn’t serving).