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An interesting precedent David Davis MP, the Conservative Shadow Home Secretary and runner-up to David Cameron in the party leadership election in December 2005, stunned the House today when he resigned in protest at yesterday’s passage of the 42-day terror law. Here is the full text of his resignation speech, delivered outside Parliament to the press:-
The Liberal Democrats, who opposed the 42-day bill, will not stand a candidate in the by-election. There are signs that the Labour Party, not wanting to submit to the inevitably kicking, may not do so either. Doubtless they are calculating even now whether they would be more despised by the nation for ducking the issue, and leaving Davis to stand alone on election night, than for trying to defend the indefensible. They do at least have something to work with electorally, namely that Davis’ slippery leader has refused to campaign at the next General Election to repeal the 42-day law (a decision he has probably had ripped away from him by Davis today). Anyway, I hope the Labour leadership will realise that it has no choice but to appear, at least, to have the courage of its convictions, and to take what’s coming at Haltemprice and Howden. What’s coming more generally may be considerably enlivened by Davis’ novel action. He has created an opening to like protest by senior Members, on matters, of course, of suitably high import. The Lisbon referendum issue is one. But Davis himself used the phrase “so-called hate laws to stifle legitimate debate”, and that points clearly enough to another. Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:39 | # The Conservative Party angle is the fissure between people power and elite power. Davis, a low-born man of the people type, is appealing to the electorate over his high-born leader, who won’t repeal the 42-day law, won’t pull out of Lisbon, and whose best pal Osborne just got back from Bilderberg 2008 in Washington. It is not, therefore, a bid for personal power, but it probably does herald a new demarcation line in Tory politics. Maggie saw the Party resolve into wets and dries. Cameron will see it resolve into system players and populists. 3
Posted by Matra on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:18 | # The state has security powers to clamp down on peaceful protest and so-called hate laws to stifle legitimate debate, whilst those who incite violence get off scot-free ScotsNats should charge him with hate speech! I can’t get an angle on this at all, but a little voice is asking, is he making a pitch for the top man’s job? It reeks of personal political opportunism. Though it was a good speech and the bit about “so-called hate laws” is encouraging I find it interesting that of all the things New Labour has done to destroy Britain it is a concern over terrorist suspects who are not likely to be indigenous Brits (though I could see BNPers being so classified) that has triggered all this. (Please correct me if I’m wrong). I would prefer Davis to take this action in response to the Treaty of Lisbon being passed without referendum or Brown’s decision to ignore the Lords report on immigration. So no LibDem and maybe no Labour candidate in the bi-election and Ukip on the side of the government. What about the BNP? They got 1.7% in the constituency last time round. 4
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:25 | # Matra: “It reeks of personal political opportunism.” Well, this is a politician we’re talking about. In any case, he has put himself on the side of the parliamentary angels - a motley bunch including Geisler Stuart, Kate Hoey, Frank Field, and, for the Tories, David Heathcoat-Amery. 5
Posted by Bill on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:39 | # Hornet’s Nest Nothing makes sense (to me) other than he’s making a pitch, don’t ask me how he is going to do it. (I don’t know) My thinking, (off the top of my head) goes something like this. Davis is betting the farm he is judging the mood of the Conservative party (and country) correctly, the same mood which has been evident in the local elections, the London Mayoral election and the Crewe and Nantwich by election. There is a considerable opinion among the rank and file of the party that Cameron is not the man for the job, (which is not surprising as he’s a Bilderberger globalist.) Davis knows this of course and has launched into this, (on the surface) no brainer venture, he’s betting that he will now be seen as a principled politician - a Tory to boot. He will be viewed more Tory than Cameron will ever be, in other words he is grasping the moral Tory high ground. Follow me, the new Pied Piper (dancing a jig and arm in arm) On the other hand, he might offer his services to the BNP. (lol) He certainly has, it seems, to have poked a hornet’s nest - We shall see,. 6
Posted by Englander on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:33 | #
This was my first thought too, but I think he’s more concerned about giving the terrorists the momentum by curbing hard-fought British freedoms. I can definitely see his point, but personally I don’t care how many Muslims they round up and imprison or for how long they remain in custody, just as long as patriots don’t one day find themselves pushed onto that slippery slope. Regardless, Davis’ position can definitely be seen as the stance of a British patriot. My second thought was that the BNP might get a chance to shine in the by-election, but it would probably reflect negatively upon them if they stepped in at this point, when everybody else appears to be holding back. 7
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:57 | # Despite calling Davis’ move “a cunning but nakedly ambitious attempt to take control of the Conservative Party”, the BNP has announced that:-
There are times when the dunces running “our” nationalist party exasperate me beyond words. I know they are not the best of their generation, but really, do they have to get every major decision 180 degrees wrong? The BNP should stand because it exists to give an electoral voice to race-loyal Englishmen and women - something that Davis and the Tories cannot possibly do. There is no benefit to the Party in pretending to belong among those taking the high ground on the 42-days issue. If, as they seem to believe, the Tories might split as a result of Davis’ decision, the latter will not remain glued together because the BNP decide to put up a candidate in Haltemprice and Howden. On paper, with his 2nd at Cambridge, the great Griffo - the most talented nationalist in the country, we must believe - should be able to see in an instant that fulfilling the party’s function at every electoral opportunity is paramount. And what an opportunity this is. Labour will be utterly slaughtered. The BNP candidate could run on a ticket of agreeing with Davis about the 42-days - as every nationalist should - but disagreeing in every last fibre with the Tory Party’s stand on the demographic transformation of Britain. There, that wasn’t very difficult to work out, was it? The BNP is run by low-brows and incompetents, heaven help us. 8
Posted by Bert Rustle on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:01 | # Churchillian, as in Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World . How many other British MPs have the conviction of their belief and the political ambition to follow him? 9
Posted by Bill on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:49 | # I don’t believe it! Ever since 7/7 I have viewed the erosion of civil liberties in this country as nothing more than the hog-tying of the indigenous population, the manner in which this process has taken place has been mirrored by the same method as Bush in the US. 9/11 and 7’7 are being used as an excuse to to crack down on the American and British citizen on the the outbreak of hostilities (when the SHTF.) Huge detention camps have been constructed strategically across America for when that day arrives, I suspect that the planned 2500 capacity Titan prisons soon to be under construction here in the UK - are being built for this purpose. I posted somewhere the other day, we will be banged up for 42 days for dropping a sweet wrapper - why our people cannot see this is beyond me. Our government is passing these laws ostensibly for suspect terrorist crimes - I for one, don’t believe it for a moment, and neither does David Davis. 10
Posted by john on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:33 | # Guessedworker, generally I agree with your points about the BNP standing in the election, minus the unfair critisism. Resources are always a factor with the BNP and then there’s the way the media would frame it. The party chairman has a lot of experience with regards to whether to fight electons or not. 11
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:13 | # john, It would be a classic case of lions and donkeys, were the donkeys not already sharks. There are thousands of loyal-hearted Englishmen with more intelligence, articulacy and, most important, personal principle that NG. A few have been party activists, only to be sidelined before the members notice. NG has demonstrated a dictatorial personality, and that he suffers from the same need as any African dictator to maintain the strength of his position. He has, accordingly, surrounded himself with people of an intellectual quality no better than an average technical college graduate, if you recall that ageing beast. If you doubt this, tell me why it was necessary for the leadership election rules to be skewed so as to make it impossible for the incumbent to be unseated. I, too, have supported this man against the stupid and poisonous attacks he has suffered in the media and from the left. But I’m afraid that I can’t pretend that his real flaws don’t exist or don’t matter. Nationalism is the last hope of the English people. This just isn’t good enough. 12
Posted by Bill on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:25 | # The results of the London elections were a downer for me, why did the BNP not march onwards and upwards, talk about a glass ceiling what exactly did happen? why so disappointing a result. Where’s the blockage? Am I wrong in thinking the BNP should have done better or was I expecting too much? It is difficult to see how things can get much worse (or can they?) if the BNP cannot capitalise under these conditions then what hope is there? 13
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:41 | # The last round of local authority elections were also pretty flat for the party. I guess the reason would be that its platform of anti-Islamification is too narrow and irrelevant to the life-experience of the great majority of potential supporters. If they want to break through nationally they have to make the broader argument of race-replacement and anti-English instititutional racism. 14
Posted by Bill on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:27 | # GW - reply by Bill. Yes I agree, ever since taking an interest in the BNP I thought there central tenet was flawed, (for the same reason you state) Islamism is a bit difficult for ordinary folk to focus on, it’s too abstract, too remote. If you like, it’s too Johny Foreigner to get a handle on. I’ve always said, concentrate on mass immigration per se, as it is this that ordinary folk see as soon as they step outside, it is this that gives them a whiff of menace of which they cannot articulate, to them it’s not natural, not British (v. important) they are unwelcome intruders and are destabilising their very lives….. Icould go on. But worst of all, they think the Conservatives will do something about it, such has been the success of the media in perpetuating the myth of difference and by extension choice in the political system. It is only when this myth is exposed in all its brutal truth will the scale fall. Until Davis tossed his grenade from Westminster steps yesterday Cameron was coasting along nicely, enjoying the view as as bits fly off the Labour project, knowing he could pick them off at anytime. Now it could be different, I always say events don’t always follow the script. Where Davis’s journey will take us all, is any one’s guess. Meanwhile back at the BNP. I think they have some serious thinking to do, trouble is when commenting on the BNP, one is always fearful that things might not be as they seem, in which case means we are all whistling in the wind. There are far too many unknown unknowns, as somebody said - the beat goes on. PS. Will the BNP be declared illegal soon anyway? 15
Posted by Foxbark on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:16 | # Guessedworker, 16
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:41 | # Foxbark, This is how it would work:-
There. Now can that be sold without people shouting “Grandstanding!” 17
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:48 | # Simon Heffer picks up on the “us and them” theme, albeit in a disguised “Roundheads and Cavaliers” form. The Telegraph leader says it more directly, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this any more.” Here’s another take in the Guardian on the same theme, this time about the Irish vote:-
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Posted by Bill on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:53 | # Interestingly, the media (to a man) is slamming into David Davis for his antics, and yet ‘the people’ are in accord with Davis and many wish him well. Do we need any more evidence? If evidence were needed, that the media are up to their necks in the NWO. Thought to leave you with, Davis is not alone in this. 19
Posted by Nux Gnomica on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:21 | #
He means “legitimate debate” about Islam, which many decent people are now seriously concerned by, not about race replacement, which decent people are not concerned by at all. Any who thinks DD supports genuine free speech should consider who he is funded by:
David Davis stuns Westminster with resignation over 42-day terror law 20
Posted by Bill on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:34 | # “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this any more.” Has anyone seen this on (I think youtube)?
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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:41 | # Nux, Mr Kalms doesn’t understand the Pandora Principle. Davis is opening a corner of the box. Certain thought-forms, such as “us and them”, are scratching away under the lid, seeking the opportunity to fly into the public consciousness. We will see what happens. But I suspect it will be a slowly dawning realisation that, individually, the threads with which the English (or French, German, Dutch, Spanish ...) have been bound to the will of the elites are actually very weak. We, of course, tear them to shreds regularly and without so much as breaking intellectual sweat. False assumptions such as “inevitability”, outright lies such as English mongrelism, hidden data such as the ethnic crime figures, oppressive laws, the left’s faux-moral opprobrium and political correctness ... these things are, in their way, patently ridiculous ... arguments which we would be ashamed to have to stand behind. But they have been twisted into a political cord which the people have hitherto been unable to break. The realisation that “we the people” stand profoundly detached from our rulers, and that we have our rights and interests and they are just, that idea could break the cord completely. I just have this feeling that if people develop a surly delight in “not taking this any more”, the ruling class will be found to have very little power in reality. It’s a house of cards. 22
Posted by Bill on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:45 | # “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this any more.” Sorry - Try this. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08 23
Posted by Foxbark on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:29 | # Guessedworker, With these considerations, the model the BNP must follow is the rise of the Independent Labour Party of James Keir Hardie (oh, how would he have spat in Tony Blair’s face!), in the 1880s- 1900s , the last time a small party actually arose to greatness in Britain and in Britain’s two-party duopoly (actually a corrupt system ensuring eternal Tory power since the Civil War of the 1640s) necessarily replacing the Liberals. 24
Posted by Nux Gnomica on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:53 | #
Yes, even if DD himself isn’t the knight in shining armour, he’s a sign of something. And it’s possible he and others resent the way they’ve had to sell themselves to Jews.
Control of the media is the single most important factor, I reckon. When minds are freely spoken, the crimethinkfulness is terrific. This is a mugger admiring his latest acquisition in a handy reflective surface, which happened to be the lens of a security camera:
The photo appears in an identically worded article in the Daily Mail and the Evening Standard, but the comments differ. The Standard is allowing certain things to be said that the Mail does not allow:
The world’s most stupid thief? Mugger snatches necklace on tram then admires reflection in CCTV lens 25
Posted by Bert Rustle on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:31 | # Foxbark wrote <i>... the model the BNP must follow is the rise of the Independent Labour Party of James Keir Hardie ... in the 1880s- 1900s ...<i> Do you have any references to comparisons between the current efforts to establish a Nationalist political movement and that of a century or so ago to establish a Labour political movement? 26
Posted by Bill on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:57 | # The BNP - Glass ceilings - BBC (Media) The BNP hit their glass ceiling at the last round of local elections. Though conditions seemed ripe for the BNP to continue making moderate progress (quiet revolution,) the momentum slowed almost to a stall, they had hit the glass ceiling. To what do we attribute to this fact? Always assuming you do agree that this is true, the BNP offensive had indeed stalled. The BNP maxed out its vote in the local and London elections due to the lack of credibility with the voters, and also lack of credibility and confidence within the voters themselves - what do I mean by this? Despite the huge influx of immigration into the metropolis, aggravated in turn by mass white flight in the opposite direction, the residual white voters of London still did not entrust the BNP with their votes, instead they turned to the Tories in droves, leaving the BNP scratching their collective heads as to why this was. It is not because the voter do not have any hope in the BNP or do not wish to entrust them with their votes, I really think they do, fervently so in fact, but something holds them back, they are hesitant, unsure to the point where they feel apprehensive for even entertaining the idea. The reason for this is, they have been conditioned by the media that if they, the voters, identify in any way with the BNP then they are racist homophobes, fascists, Hitler lovers and other similar such taunts. The media, (in collaboration with finance, academia politicians and global corporations,) is the most potent weapon the establishment elites possess, so much so, that without the media, the RR programme would not be sustainable. It is the media’s allotted task to mould the population at large into an acquiescent, compliant body for absorption into the N.WO, (globalisation) at the same time, prepare the white masses to accept their seemingly inevitable fate. The talent at the disposal of the BBC is awesome, it has been reported that the assemblage of talent concentrated at the BBC is equal to any such comparable world organisation, (Hollywood, NASA,) which is high praise indeed. So it is no surprise at the success of the BBC’s achievements in the field of mass manipulation of mind control behaviour. The triumph over the minds of the British people is unquestionable. Needless to say, the world’s media is also employing the same techniques with equally successful results. In other words the world’s media is setting the agenda of permitted discussion, the parameters of opinions and views of which we, the populace slavishly (subliminally) adhere. Politically, anything to the right of the BBC (media) is Genghis khan or more likely these days the BNP, and subsequently portray the BNP remorselessly as fascist, homophobe, far right, knuckle dragging and the like. This constant portrayal of equating the BNP in such terms take its toll on the politically unaware, such intensive subtle indoctrination leave them defenceless in the accusation of being racist – this has got to be countered by the BNP. The BNP is carrying too much nasty baggage - and it is impeding their growth, they must change this perception as others see them, otherwise they are doomed to failure. The media is merciless in its persecution of the BNP and takes great delight in portraying them as far right Nazi thugs, beyond the pale, it is this process, mindlessly repeated no matter what, which automatically triggers the media’s stock response to the name of the BNP. The media’s desired result being people are browbeaten and cowed into submission. This can only be countered by educating the people to the point where they can resist and refute such allegations. Which brings me to crunch time, the name of the British National Party has got to go, it has too many odious connotations for a lot of people, it is too synonymous with nasty baggage from another era, an era which has long since gone and of no relevance to today. But the BNP’s merciless opponents know their tactics work and are amply rewarded – as long as the name BNP exists, it will be relentlessly attacked by the media. A change of name will provide a much more difficult target to the media, it will be far more difficult to build up a stock image of character assassination – it will allow the BNP to free itself of cowed inhibitions – they will become free at last from the jaws of the media. So there you have it, in order for the BNP to progress and blossom, they have to reinvent themselves, if they don’t, they will be forever reacting to the all powerful media. 27
Posted by John on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:20 | # The natives appear to be getting restless on the other side of the pond as well http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/410950.html This resolution was voted on and passed in the Oklahoma legislature: Which appears to be copied from this Iowa one: voted on and also passed in 1995 The OK Governor has already said no to the NAU/NAFTA superhighway. 28
Posted by John on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:55 | # Here’s the text of the Oklahoma house resolution I refer to above. WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows: 29
Posted by Darren on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:39 | # Bill, what do you expect the BNP to do? Nick Griffin has already turned the BNP from an anti-Semitic and holocaust denying party into a philo-Semitic and holohoax-recognizing one. The BNP even has Jews in the party (while all at the same time going off about Muslims non-stop). If the BNP makes any more of these concessions, it will merely be a mainstream right-wing party. If you’re against immigration and support ethnic nationalism, you’re going to be browbeat with the nazi label. There is absolutely no position the BNP can take to avoid constant media criticism nor is there any way that a new party espousing the same core principles could do the same thing. What should the BNP call itself? Its a fantasy to think that a new name would mean ANYTHING different to the media. 30
Posted by Retew on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:34 | # No one’s so far mentioned the entry of Kelvin MacKenzie into the Haltemprice by election. Is he being run as a spoiler by the Establishment, or does he have an agenda of his own? Whatever, he’s certainly making life more complicated for Davis and those who oppose the 42 day extension. 31
Posted by Bill on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:57 | # “No one’s so far mentioned the entry of Kelvin MacKenzie into the Haltemprice by election. Is he being run as a spoiler by the Establishment, or does he have an agenda of his own?” Posted by Retew on Sunday, June 15, 2008 at 02:34 PM | # MacKenzie will rely heavily on the ‘You’ve nothing to worry about if you’ve done nothing wrong’ angle, backed up by thousand’s of what if? scenarios. He, (MacKenzie) should be referred to the old chap (Walter somebody) who was manhandled and dragged out of the labour party conference and (as I understand it) charged (or threatened) under anti terrorist legislation. I hope Davis is more rounded in his criticism and is more than a match for this guy. Incidentally, MacKenzie was invited to stand by none other than Rupert Murdoch. (according to the press) As regards MacKenzie’s and Murdoch’s agenda - there are others here more qualified than I to have a go at that question. (Am I ducking the question? - I ask myself) 32
Posted by Bill on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:39 | # Media furiously back peddling to catch up I’ve always thought there is a huge disconnect within the psyche of the Left. Frank Fisher guardian.co.uk, Monday June 16 2008 Article history. “I’ll give them their due: the entire British media may have utterly misjudged the significance and impact of David Davis’s shock resignation last Thursday, but they’re revising and reversing today for all they’re worth. Which, given the astonishing lack of insight displayed by apparent political insiders over this past few days, might not be much. The Indy now realises that DD has captured the public’s imagination, the Times’s William Rees Mogg admits his own failure to grasp the strength of public feeling and here at the Guardian, Jackie Ashley figures out what Cif’s punters knew within moments of Davis’s announcement – that Davis’s main goal may well be to entrench Conservative support for civil liberties, directly confronting the kind of focus-group friendly policies favoured by the other Dave. Four days it took the commentariat to grasp this simple issue that the online community figured out within 14 minutes.”
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Posted by Bill on Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:18 | #
I can’t get an angle on this at all, but a little voice is asking, is he making a pitch for the top man’s job?