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And it’s only geography for thirteen year olds
This is how my 13 year old daughter, who attends a private school in the south of England, is taught to comprehend the workings of Western business among the nice folk of sub-Saharan Africa. It is a cartoon which liberal educationalists and text book authors Rosemarie Gallagher and Richard Parrish consider relevant to Key Stage Three Geography. They put it in a text book with the catchy title “geog3” which they have co-written. I am aware, of course, that there is much worse going on in other subject areas. I am not holding up this petty product of modern leftism, which I’ve been examining this evening at my daughter’s request, as an especially egregious example of the propagandist’s art. It is, I fear all too average. So we get an encomium to Fair Trade:-
... and a denouncement of the evils of empire and those guilt-wracked white men:-
... in which, apparently, “It started with friendly trade for things like gold, tobacco, timber, spices - and even slaves. But as time went by the Europeans grew greedier ... and took over their trading partners by force. They took raw materials from them, and sold them finished goods - and that made many Europeans very rich! In time they were forced out. But they left behind countries with little or no industry, education, or skills - and often with a great deal of unrest.” Oh those evil, greedy Europeans profiting off the backs of innocent and noble men and women. And how unlucky these poor people are too, to have so many things holding them back ... Western banks, dictators, droughts, Western banks, corrupt local politicians, Western banks, Western banks, Western banks ...
Luckily for us, these are the very people whose skills we need today and who have come to live amongst us in such large numbers. Think what lessons we can learn at their feet. For example, single motherhood and dependency:-
... no hint there, you see, that “Julie”, bringing up her three children with no visible male support, is a feckless tart who can’t be bothered to use a rubber. They don’t give marks for judgementalism in Britain’s schools. They do, though, let you have as many babies as you want and someone else will pay. No morals required. No questions asked. So, all in all thanks Rosemarie and Richard. Thanks Mr Blair. Thanks all those Tory Education Ministers who had eighteen years in which to clean out the educational establishment ... and did nothing. Now any progressive-minded geography teacher - and they all have to be progressive-minded or they would be driven insane - can turn out unthinking, feel-good, one-world liberals with no factual knowledge of their own country, indeed no knowledge at all that isn’t essentially, depressingly liberal in character. Of course, I’ve told my daughter to play the game and keep her head down. “It isn’t a battle you can win so don’t fight it,” I said. It is a battle she will have to win one day, though. Comments:2
Posted by Svigor on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:38 | # I mean really, the idea is just preposterous (sorry, just can’t get over it). We installed infrastructures and institutions where there were none before, but to hear the liberalists squawk you’d think the opposite was the case. 3
Posted by Svigor on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:39 | # What the heck? That should read: The reality: white man arrives; white man builds telephone lines; white man leaves; black man cannibalizes telephone lines for raw copper. 4
Posted by Truth Be Told on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:44 | # That capitalist has many stereotypically Jewish features. Perhaps the Left is starting to turn on its own… 5
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:52 | # John I was wondering about that and I think you’re right—that’s a Jewish caricature: the big nose which is curved in just that manner of the classic anti-Jew propaganda poster( * ), the bald head with the rim of black hair behind, the 1930s-style formal black frock coat over pinstriped trousers, the narrowness of eye, the “graspingness” message conveyed by the grin, general pose, and body language. The artist either deliberately or inadvertantly reproduced a classic anti-Jew propaganda-type image for his poster. ( * I’ve lately been trying to avoid the term “anti-Semitic,” which has been so corrupted politically as to have lost all meaning.) (While we’re on this subject, by the way, I’ve also been trying to avoid the word “gentile” where white Euro Christian is meant, using in its place simply “white Euro Christian.” Perhaps a shorened, less cumbersome version of that term will evolve.) 6
Posted by Svigor on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:06 | # I’ve been thinking about that myself Scroob, and my thinking is that something unique is needed. How does EuroChristian Sound? It isn’t handy but EC ain’t bad. 8
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:10 | # GW, You are paying this school to educate you daughter? That is you are paying - on top of your already high taxes - a private school to put that bilge into your daughter’s mind? Well, you know my attitude about such things, I,d give those administrators an earful. —————
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:19 | # Svigor, I had never thought of “Occidental” before. That might work. I see your point in coming up with that—it certainly makes sense as the analogue of “Oriental”( * ) which as far as races are concerned unequivocally means “of the Mongoloid race,” so “Occidental” could over time, if used consistently enough in this way, come to mean “of the Euro branch of the Caucasoid race,” i.e., the race at the occidental extremity of the Eurasian land mass. If one wants to designate the European branch of whitedom one has to bear in mind that plenty of whites don’t belong to that branch, such as the Arabs and other Semites, the white North Africans, the Iranians, many of the Caucasian Afghans, many of the Caucasian Pakis, many of the Caucasian Subcons, and others. EuroChristian also sounds good and might work. Just “Euro” by itself might work, although a lot of these forum-type conversations nowadays deal with the subject of Jews specifically (European and/or North American ones) and Christian Euros specifically, and certainly a huge proportion of these Jews—probably the vast majority—qualify as Euros, so calling us “Euros” wouldn’t distinguish white Euro Jew from white Euro Christian. The thing is to keep trying out different terms in one’s forum comments and conversations, and the best one will naturally emerge all by itself, over time, without any additional head-scratching required. The biggest objection to “gentile” in my view is that it doesn’t mean us, the white Euro Christians, but merely anyone not Jewish. It means a native Chinaman, Mexican, and Nigerian as much as it means a native European. ( * You’ll get the double-digiters who always pipe up when they read this and say, “Oriental also refers to Smyrna [no, I don’t use “Izmir”], Tel Aviv-Haifa, and everything east of those,” and start talking about things like the study of Hebrew and Arabic at the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago. Yeah guys, I know about that. I know all about it, trust me, and a lot better I dare say than the double-digiters ... The fact remains that where races are concerned, prior to the deliberate coining of the race-denial terms “Asian,” “East Asian,” and “South Asian,” the word “Oriental” always meant a Chinaman, Jap, Korean, or other person of Mongoloid race. There was no confusion whatsoever about that, notwithstanding things like the name and scholarly purview of the “Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago” or quasi-poetical terms like “oriental despot” or “oriental potentate” to refer not just to Mongoloid rulers but also to Near- and Middle-Easterners like the King of Jordan and Saddam Hussein.) 10
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:45 | # I spent some time reading the captions on the scans, particularly the one entitled “How Did the Development Gap Grow.” It is interesting the map of the developed vs. non-developed is a map also of European lands vs. non-European lands. Couldn’t one conclude there might be problem with the non-European people, instead of vice-versa? 11
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:48 | # Geoff I fully agree with you in regard to Hollywood’s constantly using Negro leading men playing opposite white women in the movies they churn out, and these fantasy-world movie scripts in which one gets the idea Negroes have mysteriously replaced all the white men in the United States—which is strange on a number of grounds, one being that the U.S. is curently only some twelve or thirteen percent Negro, the same percentage it’s been for about a hundred and fifty years or more—the proportion of Negroes in the population has always fluctuated between about eleven and about thirteen percent (what’s kept that percentage from climbing has been legalized abortion, by the way). This Negro-men-have-replaced-all-the-white-men obsession of Hollywood’s over the past dozen or fifteen years or so, which Hollywood obviously hopes will become a self-fulfilling prophecy—they just can’t wait till it actually happens, they want it so much they can taste it—is coming from the Jews and homosexuals there. White Euro Christians as a group and heterosexuals as a group aren’t the ones pushing it, or aren’t pushing it anywhere near so singlemindedly as are the Jews as a group and the homosexuals as a group. I’d say between the Jews as a group and the homosexuals as one it’s the Jews who are pushing it more. I’d like to ask that whenever Negroes are represented as having replaced white men in Hollywood movies that are made by Jews or influenced in that Negro-men-have-replaced-white-men direction by Jewish producers—next time I see one of these movies on TV I’d ask that the white men whom the Negroes have replaced or taken over be identifiable as Jews and ditto the white women who are represented as sleeping with, marrying, and so on, Negro men—I’d like these white women who are depicted as pining after, lusting after, sleeping with, or having-eyes-only-for Negro men as if they hadn’t the slightest inkling white men existed—I’d like for these women in these movies to be easily identifiable, in their roles, as Jewish women, either by it being explicitly stated that they’re Jewish somewhere in the dialogue, or by their wearing a plainly visible star of David or other Jewish symbol, or through some other means. That would seem only fair, after all, and hey it would be bound to blunt lots of criticism of and resentment toward the Jews as a group in regard to the race-replacement issue ... 12
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:54 | # Back to the scans… In regards to the single mother agitprop (Wealthy Britain but for Whom?) I was quite suprised the commissars didn’t find a photo of a white woman nursing a mulatto baby - now that would really be something! 13
Posted by Mark Richardson on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 06:53 | # Guessedworker, if it’s any consolation the only aggressively leftist teachers at my school are either in their 50s or lesbians. I expect the balance of political opinion amongst teachers to shift within about five years when the generation of teachers who began in the early 70s will have mostly retired. 14
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:16 | # I was quite suprised the commissars didn’t find a photo of a white woman nursing a mulatto baby - now that would really be something! Not really Geoff. Come to London and you will see it for real everywhere. 15
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:54 | # GW, Those captions illustrate a great deal about the nature of Liberalism. The gap between the rich and poor countries is one of the world’s biggest problems Why is this a “problem”? It is a “problem” because of the fanaticism of Equality. As Tocqueville once wrote:
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Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:50 | # Thanks for the apology, John. Geoff, I am not leaping to any particular conclusions about the school. It is constrained by the national curriculum, like all schools, and by available teaching aids written for the curriculum. Besides, I would not expect the school to demonstrate a sturdy political independence. These are only teachers, and they don’t have the wherewithall to query their received sensibilities. Indeed, two or three seem dangerously keen on social justice. In the mere handful of days that my daughter has attended this school, these folk have revealed a distinct tendency to ask leading questions about Third World poverty, how nice it would be to go to Africa and so on. I have no objection to these teachers going to Africa, of course. It’s their life. As you can imagine, I am looking forward to the first parents evening. But care will have to be taken not to rattle their cages too hard. People filled with liberal guilt, self-hatred and moral posturing are emotionally unreliable. Mark, I’m glad you are optimistic and you know far more about the profession of teaching than I. But where is the sound of even mild dissent from younger teachers? I hear nothing. Phil, very apt. Can you name any “problem” that liberalism has solved through its devotion to equality? 17
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:08 | # The other significant point which struck me with this book is how little real information is provided to pupils. Quite apart from its obsessive liberalism, it is multi-coloured, bullet-point “knowledge” seemingly geared for those with Attention Defecit Syndrome. It is certainly many a long mile away from the fact-rich, worthy but wholly dull text books of my schooldays (in a 1960’s Secondary Modern!) I would be interested to know whether the lightweight, cartoon style of modern text books is employed because it has been found to educate more effectively or because it holds the attention of the less able. I guess it might be an attempt to do both - but it can’t possibly succeed because the it makes no allowance for breadth of (real) knowledge or intellectual enquiry. Ultimately, these latter are not required. Egalitarians are concerned to inculcate their politics, and no more, into young minds. Their interest is in engineering society. 18
Posted by Mark Richardson on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:46 | # GW, I’m not suggesting that the younger teachers are the conservative activist type. Just that they’re not so aggressively or unthinkingly leftist as the older teachers. It’s not so much their religion. 19
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:33 | # > It is constrained by the national curriculum, like all schools That drivel is required by the state? So, even if you home school or send you kid to a Muslim school (Praise Allah May His Name Be Sacred Forever) they would still have to learn that? If so, then the US, has further to go down that road. 20
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:00 | # GW, you need to move to one of the more civilized parts of the US, and get your dughter out of the typical leftie English private school (Cheltenham in the 1960s was just as bad—dreadful education, far worse than my father’s at Harrogate Grammar or my son’s in Fairfax County, Va.) Because Virginia is a predominantly Republuican state, and yet close enough to big cities that they can’t leave the population in happy rural ignorance, the textbooks are only moderately PC. The Young Master, also 13, is doing Civics this year, which I thought would be dreadfully PC, but actually is fairly reasonable (other than about the evils of British colonialism, but the YM gives as good as he gets on that front, and has a fine essay project on George III which he produces when needed!) His civics teacher is a Republican, (graduate of George Mason U.) which you wouldn’t get in the British system. His best friends are Korean American and Iranian American, and the class “valedictorian” last year was black (apparently he more or less deserved it) so the school wouldn’t appeal to the more enthusiastic members of the MR community. However, if general non-leftism rather than ethnic purity is what you want, Va. public schools really aren’t a bad deal, certainly better than most English “public” schools. For one thing, there’s no middle class guilt. 21
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:07 | # Martin, You ought to contact Steven Spielberg, a fine cast of characters for one of his next films - and the Euro girls can all be married off to handsome dark foreign men in the final act. > happy rural ignorance Where they actually love their own kind. 22
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:28 | # The main Spielberg similarity is that, given modern teenage fashions, several of the YM’s schoolmates may in fact be extra-terrestial. Fortunately the civilisations that have progressed far enough to have achieved interstellar travel are uniformly conservative! 23
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:32 | # > uniformly conservative If one doesn’t conserve the race, the very bedrock of heritage which gives expression in song, dance, religion, poetry, painting, music, science, then I don’t want any part of conservatism. 24
Posted by Truth Be Told on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:25 | # Moderator, After previewing a post without entering the code word, I clicked an on-screen ‘back’ button to enter the code word before the post would take. The post was deleted. If this is a systemic error, correcting it would help what is otherwise a fine site. The gist of the post was that Hollywood is definitely trying to use black men in protaganist roles around white women, though most heros are still northern Euro white men, and that their efforts to push homosexuality seem much more pronounced, especially on TV. 25
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:22 | # TBT, I apologise for this. Yes it is a shortcoming with this version of EE created by the timed Captcha. I hope to get it fixed. The back button, meawhile, is a menace. Perhaps you would paste and copy your comment before submitting, just in case you are unlucky again. Thanks for your kind words. We are very happy to have you here. Your thoughts are always interesting and well-presented. 26
Posted by JW Holliday on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:54 | # Martin: ...the more enthusiastic members of the MR community. Martin, please define: “more enthusiastic members…” If you mean people who would prefer that their family not associate with Koreans, Iranians, and Negroes, then yes, guilty as charged, I’m very enthusiastic. However, given that freedom of association is partially abbrogated (but not fully, yet, that’s the rub to the multiculturalists) in the USA, particularly in the school system, we need to take what we can get. A predominantly white school that is not too “PC” is certainly more attractive than the alternatives. And the children can be encouraged not to associate, voluntarily, with Orientals, NECs, Hispanics, Negroes, etc. Balkanize, balkanize, balkanize ... 27
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:24 | # “If one doesn’t conserve the race, the very bedrock of heritage which gives expression in song, dance, religion, poetry, painting, music, science, then I don’t want any part of conservatism.” (—Geoff) Amen to that. In fact we have our answer already don’t we. Except for rare times in web-forum discussions when purely to save time and avoid long explanations I may call myself a “conservative” I no longer consider myself one. Can anyone imagine being what George Bush is? The mere thought makes me gag. For me there are two sides: the side that favors the ascendancy of normalness for society at large with degenerateness remaining subordinate, and the side that favors the ascendancy of degenerateness for society at large with normalness being subordinate. I favor the former over the latter. Apart from that, I consider myself one-hundred-percent apolitical and would LOVE to be able to drop all this and get on with things like gardening, reading, and woodworking, and learning Greek, Lithuanian, Icelandic, Old High German, and Anglo-Saxon. “Hollywood is definitely trying to use black men in protaganist roles around white women” (—Truth be Told) None but the blind could miss that this is going on, and the ones doing it are mainly the Jews and the male homosexuals, in that order: Hollywood Jews are pushing it the most. I respectfully request of the Jewish directors and producers of these films that they start identifying the white women as Jewish, either by saying so directly in the scripted dialogue or in any other way they like, as long as it leaves no doubt as to the Jewish identity of these white women who seem to live in a world where white men are totally disregarded by white women in favor of Negro men, almost as if a giant airplane had flown over the United States beaming a special death ray at the ground, one which killed only white men, no one else. Would all the Jewish movers and shakers in Hollywood please do that, then? I’ll repeat it: you know all these white women you lot keep pairing with Negro, Mexican, Puerto Rican, and so on, men in the movies you churn out? Well, would you please start identifying them as Jewish women in the films? You’re not scared the Jewish Defense League will come blow up your studio buildings are you? Of course not. So, please start doing it, gentlemen: I’d like to see these women identified as Jewish in no uncertain terms. After all, if it’s so great for white Euro Christians it must be great for Jews too, right? So, please don’t delay in doing this. 28
Posted by Desmond Jones on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:19 | # Damn Yanks, keeping the First Amendment to themselves! ESL (English as a second language) students are apparently a big revenue generator for Toronto private schools. Most in my oldest daughter’s school are East Asian, mainland Chinese. It appears they pay big bucks to learn English. The staff suggested the white kids should welcome their Asian counterparts. You know the usual, “Hi, how are you? My name is Becky. What’s your’s? The response from the Chinese kids, “Fuck off.” You have to love JW’s passion. It’s the passion of youth. Like Geoff, these white boys have a fire in their belly and for an old man it’s a great thing to see. And sometimes an old wretch can be moved to rail against the PC nonsense, my oldest girl faces. However, maybe GW is correct. Maybe the best advice is to keep your head down, ‘cause if the old man hammers at the teachers, who suffers? And this country is balkanised to hell already. The schools, neighbourhoods, towns and cities all segregated by race/ethnicty. It is so bad, even the immigrants notice it. Where does it lead? Where does it go? 29
Posted by Truth Be Told on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:25 | # For a good look at the mindset of our opposition, try http://www.WHITE PRIVILEDGE.com Several direct posts with them regarding their anti-white bigotry and double-standards were answered with typical unsupported distortions, evasions, and denial bordering on delusion. Apparently my IP address has been banned now, as they require registration and won’t send me a password. I recommend taking a few pokes at them for the adventurous. They are sensitive, not good at debate, and have little if any evidence for their cause. The reality that multi-cultural diversity is as false as the child’s tale of the Emporer’s New Clothes is plain to see. 32
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:25 | # GW, Most of us here at MR are as committed to equality as the Liberals we (justifiably) criticize. We have grown up in an egalitarian age and we merely object to the extent of the egalitarianism. What I mean is, we do not like the egalitarianism extended to aliens but I believe (and if I am wrong please correct me), most of us would shudder at the thought of a return of real feudal Aristocracy - by which we mean priviliges of birth. What we are railing against are the effects of late liberalism and its love of Equality now manisfesting itself in the most unhealthy forms. But the principle of equality did not emerge in the 1950s or the 1960s in the writings of the Frankfurt School. They have been with us for more than two centuries. As Tocquville noted, equality appealed to the heart of man and men would rather die equally in slavery than be unequally free. What I mean is, the forces that were unleashed in the 17th century have been moving forward steadily over time from one project to the next to the point now where we have the problems that we face today. But the origin of our problems does not lie in the writings of Marxists (who were also creations of the Enlightenment). As to what problems have been “solved”, well, modern science is as much a part of the enlightenment project as its egalitarianism and its devotion to Liberty. If anything, egalitarian nations have demonstrated an ability to create stupendous wealth that simply did not exist for the general mass of people during Aristocracy. 33
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:43 | # I’m over 40, and as for JW I really don’t know how old he is. I cannot decipher the future for the new generation of Whites born in the USA. The picture is so cloudy, I know our enemies in the media and government are working feverishly to thwart our efforts. So, I consider those over 40 to be the last hope for America, for we are the last generation which is only <u>partially</u> untainted by the egalitarian hoax. I grew up with men born before 1920. I know how different things were. I know we are lied to. I know this age of ours stinks, and is counterfeit. I see and smell the lies all about me. I want want this lie destroyed. Furthermore, I’m not afraid to die in this cause, really. I don’t have a death wish, nor am I violent, nore do I seek violence, but this cause is worth dying for. I wish that others would come to this realization. 34
Posted by JW Holliday on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:46 | # Desmond, Your point is well taken; obviously parents do not want to cause the children a problem. However, we have a situation in which parents are paying $$ - property taxes for public schools and of course tuition for private schools - to see their children be mentally assaulted with the most outrageous, and incorrect, PC garbage. That’s going to negatively influence the child as well, and I think that white parents need to assert themselves more to teachers, principals, PTAs, school boards, etc. to make some valid points. If they are supporting the school system, they may as well ask for their money’s worth. Of course, this can be done in a calm and rational manner. One can express displeasure about certain items. One can challenge as to why only one viewpoint is being presented, when schools assert that “we are trying to get children to think for themselves.” Is that consistent with brainwashing? If the schools teach factually incorrect material on history, racial reality, etc., then the informed parent has an obligation to point that out. And/or spend the evening hours teaching the child correctly, reversing all that went on during the day, and essentially use the school merely as a daycare center rather than as an educational institution. And then there is the issue that non-white kids are violent and hostile to whites, even at the lowest grade levels. By the way, I know of at least one case in which a white parent, after an unpleasant racial incident against their child, openly told the school principal their racial views (in very strong language), without a negative response. 35
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:50 | # Phil, > If anything, egalitarian nations have demonstrated an ability to create stupendous wealth The economist Hans-Herman Hoppe has challenged this bromide on numerous occassions. If you consider debt, inflation, negative savings rates, and fiat money wealth, then you may have a point. In this lecture he explores the assertion (or myth) which you cite: (WWI as the End of Civilization) You can skip to 15:15 and listen through 28:00, or to the end. 36
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:53 | # Geoff, Are you saying that medieval serfs lived in better conditions than modern Americans? 37
Posted by JW Holliday on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:54 | # Desmond: And this country is balkanised to hell already. The schools, neighbourhoods, towns and cities all segregated by race/ethnicty. Yes, but if the situation there is the same as in the USA, then the balkanization is, from the majority perspective, only individual white flight from minority incursions. Apart from your Quebec separatists, as far as I know, whites in your nation (from your posts, I assume you are in Canada), essentially identify as “Canadians.” Not as whites, in the political sense. In the USA, we do have white flight and de facto residential segregation, but there is no political, organized balkanization on the part of the majority. The minorities of course promote their own balkanization whenever it suits them, but group-oriented, political majority-promoted balkanization is discouraged. I remember reading one Negro author who went as far as to say that blacks should be allowed to have their own schools, maybe even their own territory in the USA, but whites are not so allowed. I forgot who that was who said that, but in essence that captures the foundation of multiculturalism: minorities are allowed to mobilize, to practice identity politics, to be separate when they choose, but all these are to be forbidden to the majority. When people like Martin’s son refuses to be friends with Koreans and Iranians (and Chinese and South Asians and blacks/Hispanics etc.) merely based upon the fact that they are Korean or Iranian (or whatever), then that is the kind of balkanization I’m talking about. If you wish for the unwanted guests to leave, make them uncomfortable. With all legality, with all rationality, with all cold politeness, but - still, make them unwelcome and uncomfortable by practicing whatever degree of freedom of association is still allowed in your society. Give them zero social warmth. In theory, they can’t force you to be friends with those you do not like. However, keep in mind I remember one case in which a young white guy had a violent altercation with a Negro, that had some racial undertones, and the guy was charged with a “hate crime.” As “evidence” that he was a “hater”, the prosecutor noted that this young white guy lived next door to an old black woman and - gasp! - he never “had a beer with her”, or “went to the movies with her.” That’s one step away from lynching, I tell ya! Any normal young white guy would just love to spend his free time in the company of an elderly Negress, right? On the other hand, leaving aside all references to mugging, raping, killing, beating etc, young Negroes are expected never to spend their time with elderly white women. But hey, you don’t expect regular standards do you? That would be “racist.” That’s the direction the USA is headed. Take advantage of whatever freedom of association still exists today, try to avoid trouble, and, at the same time, relentlessly practice “the politics of exclusion” to the maximal extent you can do so within the confines of the law. Do not voluntarily do anything to support multiculturalism and anything that makes the aliens feel comfortable. Whatever you are coerced to do because of goverment edict - well, you don’t have a choice. But control as much as your actions as you can and if we all do our part, friction will increase. 38
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:09 | # The economist Hans-Herman Hoppe has challenged this bromide on numerous occassions. If you consider debt, inflation, negative savings rates, and fiat money wealth, then you may have a point. Does Hoppe say that bringing back hereditary peerage* and feudalism would be better for Economies than political equality? Principally, does Hope argue for abolishing the vote for blacks, women and all non-white aliens in the United States (and does he argue that doing so would be better for the economy?)? *abolished in America by the Founders in the 1780s. 39
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:12 | # Phil > Serfs Lets consider a peasant in Italy, Germany, or France, during say, 1100 AD. Most peasants worked only 130 or so days out of the year. Today, I work 279 days out of the year. The Medieval period has been slandered by modernist historians for the last 500 years - gaining an understanding of that period is almost impossible today. ———————————————- The Hoppe Lecture however compares the economics and wealth of the 19th Century vs. the 20th. I hope you take the time to listen. 40
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:16 | # Phil, > Voting Rights Now you are lashing out, and bringing into the discussion other varied subjects. Frankly, I could care less about my vote. The millions of lemmings vote anyway the media masters tell them to. > does Hope argue for abolishing the vote for blacks, women and all non-white aliens in the United States The attack continues. Well, I don’t know exactly what his position is on the minority issue. But I will tell you giving women and minorities the vote was TERRIBLE MISTAKE. 41
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:17 | # Desmond: maybe GW is correct. Maybe the best advice is to keep your head down ... Selectively, yes. John’s initial post here, pointing out the quite fantastical and fortuitous usage in the top cartoon of a Jewish-looking “exploiter” does hit the spot. I would love to know what my daughter’s PeeCee teachers thought of the anti-semitic propaganda of Nazi Germany, and I would love to see their faces, therefore, if the present hypocrisy was to be explained to them. However, it isn’t my neck that would be on the line here, and that’s the point. The gain from fighting such battles redounds to the ethny, but the risk has to be personal. 42
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:39 | # The attack continues. Geoff, I am not attacking him. I am simply pointing out that Hoppe is a political Liberal in the fundamental sense. Frankly, I could care less about my vote. The millions of lemmings vote anyway the media masters tell them to. What percentage of Americans feel this way?
The Medieval period has been slandered by modernist historians for the last 500 years - gaining an understanding of that period is almost impossible today. I am not slandering the Medieval period. Saying that Medieval Europe was not awash with Ninetendo, modern medicine, TVs and Air-conditioning isn’t slander. It is an appreciation of difference. Shakespeare was pre-Enlightenment but superior to the legions of lillputians that have produced alleged “literature”. Comfort, wealth and security does not equal excellence. 43
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:44 | # > What percentage of Americans feel this way? Who cares. Most “Americans” are nothing more than a form of foriegn debris which blows into my land. They are not my concern. Futhermore, “most Americans” are lemmings, who cares about them. 44
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:49 | # Equality is a god-awful French concept, entirely alien to Anglo-American Conservatism. The Gentleman’s Magazine was OUTRAGED by the Declaration of Independence, and quite right too. The US Constitution is a much more satisfactory document, with no Robespierran/Jeffersonian cant about equality in it. I have no desire whatever to live in a Clement Attlee society of complete economic and social equality, however mono-ethnic Attlee’s Britain in practice was. 45
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:49 | # Futhermore, “most Americans” are lemmings, who cares about them. I doubt if Americans are fundamentally different from Westerners anywhere else in the world. The tendencies you dislike among Americans are to be found all over Europe in almost the same measure (and in Britain perhaps even more so). If most Americans are “lemmings”, then what hope is there for the future? 46
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:52 | # Equality is a god-awful French concept Martin, Surely you jest. America was founded upon the principles of Liberty and Equality (albeit more limited than to what we have now). Are you saying the 14th amendment is fiction? 47
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:02 | # Phil If most Americans are “lemmings”, then what hope is there for the future? It is always a small minority that control the herd and tells it what to do and think. My objective is train a vanguard of “right thinking” people to usurp power from the egalitarians who are driving our people into the dirt. 48
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:04 | # > 14th Amendment That amendment was illegally ratified by a radical congress in 1866, with no representation by half the states - they being under occupation from Lincoln’s army. The 14th amendment is sham. 49
Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:05 | # I am not attacking him. I am simply pointing out that Hoppe is a political Liberal in the fundamental sense. I see no suggestion of this in his writings. What is the basis for your conclusion in this regard? 50
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:07 | # The amendment was illegal ratified by a radical congress in 1866, with no representation by half the states But that means half the country still wanted it passed? What was the source of this feeling? 51
Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:08 | # ...does Hope argue for abolishing the vote for blacks, women and all non-white aliens in the United States[?] Yes! 52
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:08 | # What is the basis for your conclusion in this regard? If Hoppe does not question political equality, he is a Liberal in the fundamental sense. 54
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:10 | # > America was founded upon the principles of Liberty and Equality Liberty yes, Equality no. The founders were racists and despised equality and Democracy. I’ve read their writings on this subject. > But that means half the country still wanted it passed? False. 55
Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:11 | # But that means half the country still wanted it passed? Not at all. Perhaps 5% of Americns supported its passage. A small political class supported it out of vindictiveness and out of the tremendous personal power its passage would aford them. 56
Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:15 | # So he wants a vote for white males only? He wants a vote for those who have agreed among themselves that they should vote to make a particular decision. This is not that case in modern elections, for which reason Hoppe does not think *anyone* should have a vote. And I agree. Whoever wins an election claims a license to commit aggression; the voting process is the process of granting that license. 57
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:15 | # Not at all. Perhaps 5% of Americns supported its passage. A small political class supported it out of vindictiveness and out of the tremendous personal power its passage would aford them. Why wasn’t there a massive revolt all across the North against its passage if it was so unpopular? Everyone was fully armed in those days and there was no Gun control. Liberty yes, Equality no. This was written in 1831. 58
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:17 | # He wants a vote for those who have agreed among themselves that they should vote to make a particular decision. How does he propose to abolish the voting system as it currently runs? 59
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:22 | # > Why wasn’t there a massive revolt all across the North against its passage if it was so unpopular? Why isn’t there a massive revolt against affirmative action? Why isn’t there a massive revolt against high taxation? Why isn’t there a massive revolt against third world immigration? All these things are massively unpopular! I’ll tell you why: most people are cowards and brainless lemmings that do whatever the plutocrats - then and now - tell them what to do and think. 60
Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:23 | # Why wasn’t there a massive revolt all across the North against its passage if it was so unpopular? It didn’t affect the North! Why would they risk their own well-being to protect the ame Southerners they had just gone to war against? And how were people in the North supposed to know it was even on the table? 61
Posted by Martin Hutchinson on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:23 | # Written in 1831 by a FROG, and after Jefferson had been President. The Federalists, who actually founded the U.S. and wrote the Constiution, were NOT egalitarians. They were also racists, true, but far less so than the revolting but egalitarian Andrew Jackson. 62
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:30 | # Why isn’t there a massive revolt against affirmative action? Why isn’t there a massive revolt against high taxation? Why isn’t there a massive revolt against third world immigration? The love of Equality contradicts the sense of outrage. Equality and comforts win. Geoff and Ben, I think we can agree to disagree at this point. I tend to think of political ideas and political conditions having consequences in influencing the behaviour of men. That seems to me to be a far better explanation of what has happened in the Western world in the last two centuries than machinating factions and clever (and uniquely evil) politicians pulling the strings from the back (for mysterious but consistently evil motives). I don’t think I could logically reconcile two centuries of western political developments with one machination after another. But as I say, let us agree to disagree. 63
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:38 | # after Jefferson had been President Jefferson became President in 1800. In other words, the country had started moving in the direction I alluded to two centuries ago. Therefore, the America you think respresents your conservatism died in 1800? Written in 1831 by a FROG Tocqueville was a genius and no real lover of Equality. His book is a masterpiece in the way it notices the idiocies of democracy and the mad (and infinite) pursuit of equality. Saying that he should not be read because he was a “FROG” is like saying I mustn’t listen to Wagner because he was a German. That makes no sense. 64
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:39 | # Disagreement and debate - perhaps even a bit of invective - are delightful things really. Sure makes interesting reading, too. 65
Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:41 | # I tend to think of political ideas and political conditions having consequences in influencing the behaviour of men. And how in the world would that cause you to arrive at the conclusion that the 14th Amendment had popular support? The Union government invaded the South because it wished to exert dominion over it. The 14th Amendment was the principle “legal” basis for the exercise of such dominion. These are the “political conditions” of the time! 66
Posted by Phil on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:43 | # The Union government invaded the South because it wished to exert dominion over it. The 14th Amendment was the principle “legal” basis for the exercise of such dominion. These are the “political conditions” of the time! Wasn’t the Union government elected by popular vote? 67
Posted by ben tillman on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:01 | # In most states, Maryland being the exception. (In Maryland, the national government replaced the elected government.) That hardly suggests that any significant portion of the voters supported (or even knew of) the proposed 14th Amendment at any time when an election was actually held. There was a sizable minority that supported abolition on ideological grounds (New Englanders of Puritan descent), but the 14th Amendment was an exercise in dominion not ideology. 69
Posted by Svigor on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:17 | # The US Constitution is a much more satisfactory document, with no Robespierran/Jeffersonian cant about equality in it. Lol. You think Jefferson meant that pigswallow about all men? He wrote the Declaration before the revolution started. The Constitution was written after its end. It’s easy to spout off about everyone being equal when you’re trying to get your lessers behind your war. 70
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:41 | # “You think Jefferson meant that pigswallow about all men? He wrote the Declaration before the revolution started. The Constitution was written after its end. It’s easy to spout off about everyone being equal when you’re trying to get your lessers behind your war.” Svigor has a point. I agree with “all men are created equal,” understanding it to mean morally equal and equal before the law, not equal in ability, in deservedness, and so on. But this distinction wasn’t clarified sufficiently. Why not? Those men certainly saw its potential implications. 71
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:44 | # Little Old Me, did you add that yellow star to that image or was that an actual anti-Jew poster from 1930s Germany that they copied for that book, omitting the star? 73
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 04:30 | # Can anyone imagine the stink that’ll be raised in that school if GW gathers evidence that was a Nazi anti-Jew poster from the 30s that lefty authors Gallagher & Parrish copied for their book, thinking they could disguise its origin by erasing the yellow star? 74
Posted by Little Old Me on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 04:40 | # I added it mates. I jewbeaked the nose too. Regards. 76
Posted by Ben Tillman on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 05:05 | # I agree with “all men are created equal,” understanding it to mean morally equal and equal before the law, not equal in ability, in deservedness, and so on. I agree with it in the sense that aggression must not be tolerated, regardless of the station occupied by the aggressor and his victim. 77
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:26 | # Little Old Me, Clever. Very nice work. I would love to see it with a golden-haired Hans and Heidi under his backside, and with Germany being carved up instead of Africa. That I would send to our head-master, and to the Dept of Education, demanding the withdrawal of this inequitous little book. Of course, as a non Photoeditor owner I don’t know that there is probably 100-man hours and a world of pain involved in such a transformation. Ignorance is bliss. 78
Posted by Svigor on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:50 | # More like two hours for a pro. I’m just a cut-and-paste user myself, I don’t know how to paint or I’d do it for you. If I had the right ref material I could do it. The hard part would be the planet. 79
Posted by Svigor on Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:52 | # Actually two hours would be an extreme upper bounds. I could do it a half hour if I took the time to figure out my scanner and get it running. 81
Posted by ADL on Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:20 | # You vicious anti-Semites! How DARE you post such despicable hate literature! What are you, some sort of neo-nazi White Supremists? Don’t you understand? When Whites are depicted as heartless villains, that’s good. When Jews are depicted that way, it’s HORRIBLE. You just don’t get it, do you? We’ve been persecuted throughout the centuries, even made into soap and lampshades! Shame on you! 82
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:31 | # Yep, a work of evil genius. That oughta do it. On Monday I shall embark upon the process of discovering which Geography sub-section of which section in which office of which department of the Ministry of Education & Skills has responsibility for the content of curricular textbooks. This may take a while. But any results will be published here. Many thanks, LOM. You’re a diamond. 83
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:07 | # Not the least obnoxious detail of that book illustration is the red-colored drop dripping from the knife cut. The leftist’s point (his false point) comes across just as well without that additional provocation. Why, then, was that drop of blood added? Just to provoke? Where are the “racial hate-speech” thought-police when a gratuitous racial provocation is aimed at whites? Where’s the Gedapo now? Answer: They’re nowhere to be found. Oh, right—should have known ... How silly of me to even ask ... 84
Posted by Ben Tillman on Sat, 24 Sep 2005 23:14 | # “How did the development gap grow?” That little illustration is indeed remarkable. If European colonization caused the problems of the Third World, why did European colonization not have the same effects in Canada, the USA, NZ, and Australia? Post a comment:
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Posted by Svigor on Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:36 | #
That first image is a-okay, yet, hook that nose and add some sidelocks and you’ve got a “hate crime.”
Note how he has no eyes and is therefore not human.
I love how the third world is supposedly “still reeling” from our depradations, that’s a real gas. You’d think these people actually were first-world until we came along and wrecked things.
The reality: white man arrives; white man builds telephone lines; white man leaves; black man canniba
(note: composed this before I read JJR’s post, lol)