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Anguish, shock and horror from big British Moslems. But lasting shame? This morning the Telegraph reports the response of Iqbal Sacranie, Secretary General of the The Muslim Council of Britain, to the news that three - and possible all four - of the terrorists who bombed London were born in this country. The three were of Pakistani origin (like Sacranie, in fact. He, though, was born in Zomba, Malawi but, of course, is neither Pakistani nor Malawan but British, just like me!). Sacranie said:-
Now, it so happens that Mr Sacranie has just been challenged by Nick Griffin - who was born on a farm in Suffolk - to explain how, exactly, all these “shared values and common humanity” fit in with the Koran.
No doubt, Griffin senses that his upcoming court appearance on four New Labour political charges of hate speech has been rendered utterly meaningless by the London atrocity. Indeed, he’s probably hoping that the CPS does go ahead with the prosecution and provide him with a priceless speaking platform. Accordingly and in pugnacious style - he was an amateur boxer after all - he has gone on the offensive. His open letter to Iqbal Sacranie and the Muslim Council of Britain, published on 9th July two days after the bombings, begins “If Islam is a religion of Peace, then either explain or change the Koran.” It makes no concessions to the CPS and fear of further prosecution.
It’s worth reading the whole article. It’s also worth reading a piece by the Conservative MP and new blogger, Boris Johnson, who wrote last month about the Second Reading of the government’s new bill against religious hate speech:-
On this basis even the most eggregious, evil-intent racist need not employ the language of hatred and violence against Moslems, nor even a touch of hyperbole. He need do no more than quote from the Koran. If he has the wit he can also point out that “incitement to hate” is a Marxist scam. The real incitement and the real hate wrought its evil upon the innocent in London last Thursday. This is obvious to all, including Moslems in Britain. Are they, then, sufficiently ashamed to embark upon the (admittedly somewhat extensive) process of changing all the offending passages of the Koran, thereby disconnecting their holy book from the blood shed by their terrorist sons? Right now, it seems, their faith or, more likely, their ethnic genetic interests are leading them into some contorted defensive positions instead. Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, is special-pleading for all he’s worth lest we Brits draw any sort of conclusions from last Thursday:-
At least he’s consistent: the Al Qaeda inspired suicide bombers on the London Underground and that double decker bus slaughtered at least fifty-two people and wounded seven hundred others in, apparently, a wholly criminal pursuit. Nothing to do with their faith, of course. Nothing to do with the Koran or with the religious instruction they have received. Not for the shameless Mr Shadjareh. Or if it is we mustn’t make the association. It wouldn’t be good for Moslems. What “further violence against innocent people” does he mean? He can’t be extrapolating from the 2001 riots in English northern towns. They were overwhelmingly Asian. He can’t be talking about the disgusting March 2004 race murder of Kris Donald because that was an Asian crime and, anyway, was conveniently ignored by the terrified mainstream media. Hardly anybody knows about it. No, shameless Shadjareh’s “innocent people” must be code, then, for Moslems like him. Meanwhile, Nick Griffin is charged with four fictitious hate crimes because he is an English politician fighting a necessary political war on our behalf against the liberal establishment and their clients like Shadjareh. Will we not, then, be treated to Shadjareh setting aside his customary Islamic focus in a spirit of “shared values and common humanity”, and expressing his concern for Griffin’s abused human rights? Hardly, it wouldn’t be good for Moslems. And actually, at the time of Griffin’s arrest, Shadjareh said:-
Griffin’s open letter to Sacranie ends:-
So, who is decent and honourable here, and worthy of our attention, and who is a self-serving, shameless bigot? Comments:2
Posted by Tim on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:09 | # There have been significant public warnings about scapegoating minorities, vilifying them or impacting their civil liberties etc. since the attack. Here in Australia there was no such concern expressed for the mass of law abiding firearm owners after a massacre in Tasmania that claimed ~30 lives. The conservative federal government received unqualified and vocal support from the left and the usual pundits in the virtual banning of private firearms despite lack of federal constitutional power to do so. 3
Posted by Braveheart on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:29 | #
Dyab Abou Jahjah’s comebackinterview this week in the mainstream magazine Humo (Flanders), http://www.humo.be/index.asp At least one guy who is honest… 4
Posted by Lurker on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:02 | # OT: OK I give up (again!) who’s beardy boy at the top of the page? 5
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:23 | # The late Glayde Whitney. You will find a tribute to him here. 6
Posted by Stuka on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:26 | # ...expects within 10 or 15 years, as soon as the immigrants have the majority in the big cities, that an ethnical civil war will start. Good! Personally, God forgive me, I would welcome such a conflict. I think we have moved way beyond the stage where a political solution to the crisis in Western countries would work. A Just War is exactly what is needed. But, do the Muslims & their liberal allies honestly think they would prevail in a civil war? I wonder. 7
Posted by Geoff Beck on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:34 | # > I would welcome such a conflict. Better now, than later. Each day we weaken, our numbers shrink, our constitution sickened by more liberalism. 8
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:36 | # <u>Enoch Powell vindicated</u>. As for Jahjah (see Braveheart’s comment above), his views only go to support John Bolton’s conception of the race-replacement phenomenon as organized aggression against existing populations. It’s not the Arabs by the way who are the principle organizers of this organized aggression, but behind-the-scenes whites (who rely heavily on such useful idiots of theirs as dupes who can’t think straight like Birch Barlow, women voters, self-abnegating Christians, and so on). In this confrontation what we are opposing is mainly a collection of segments of our own white people who are ochestrating this insane invasion and brutally cracking down on any questioning of it whatsoever so it’ll have the best chance of going to completion quickly before whites know what hit them. 9
Posted by Lurker on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:56 | # The politcal problem now is the liberals et al. If things ever turned really nasty they would soon come on side. 10
Posted by JW Holliday on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:35 | # The establishement - with some reason - has been emphasizing the religious aspects of the London bombers’ motives. But one can look at it in a different way as well. Besides religion, these individuals were: educated South Asians, born in the host nation, “assimilated” good guys according to neighbors, and presumably speakers of native-accented English. And yet, it seems, they were alienated from their nation of birth, and instead, centered on the culture of their ancestry. I do not see this as merely religion. Let us not unfairly attack a set of religious beliefs. What if, instead, this phenomenon is just as much - if not more - about race and the West/East divide as it is about religion or UK/USA foreign policy? What if the South Asian origin of the alleged bombers is the more crucial point to this whole tragedy than the type of, and degree of, their religious beliefs? In “The Rising Tide of Color”, Stoddard wrote, “...there is no generalized brown culture like those possessed by yellows and whites. The great spiritual bond is Islam, yet in India, the chief seat of brown population, Islam is professed by only one-fifth of the inhabitants. Nevertheless, there is a fundamental comity between the brown peoples. This comity is subtle and intangible in character, yet it exists, and under certain circumstances it is capable of momentous manifestations. Its salient feature is the instinctive recognition by all Near and Middle Eastern peoples that they are fellow Asiatics, however bitter may be their internecine feuds. This instinctive Asiatic feeling has been noted by historians for more than two thousand years, and it is just as true to-day as in the past. Of course it comes out most strongly in face of the non-Asiatic - which in practice has always meant the white man.” Perhaps what we are seeing is more the “fundmanental comity between the brown peoples” than any particular religious conflict. In other words, is it only South Asians of a particular religious faith who are alienated from the West and the peoples of the West, or is it, potentially, any South Asian (or any NEC) of any faith, or lack thereof, who present a problem to the stability of western societies? One must remember the particular point of the Fareed Zakaria/NEC post of some weeks past; that there is a particular friction between ECs and NECs living in the same territory, which manifests itself in hostility of NECs toward ECs, even when the latter are very tolerant to the former. This hostility can take “passive aggressive” forms, such as the promotion of alien immigration to the West and the opposition to white identity politics, or it can take overtly aggresive forms, such as observed in 9/11 and 7/7. This transcends religion and current events - we are dealing with a “fundamental comity” of peoples who may fight amongst themselves when left to themselves, but who unite against the West when presented with the West. It matters not whether the people in question are Hindu or Muslim or Buddhist or Sikh or Atheist or even Christian - what matters, ultimately, is the underlying crisis of race and civilization. The events of 7/7 clearly show that even mild-mannered, “assimilated”, native-speaking, educated, and host nation born NECs are potentially a serious problem, a “Trojan horse” of serious consequences. 11
Posted by Andrew L on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:03 | # Well it is about time people read some part of the Peace movement, welcom to the Arab mind. 12
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:14 | # Erm ... bit strong there, Andrew old man. Do you think you could wind it back just a little before the thought police break the door down! You know ... “I’m sure this Allah chappie is alright really when you get to know him. If you believe and all that. And perhaps mutilate your daughter a little bit.” That the sort of thing. Nothing too offensive. 13
Posted by JW Holliday on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:20 | # According to the BBC it’s all the fault of “white racists” that innocent South Asian men are provoked:- Take the 2001 Bradford riots, for example, which had everything to do with a corked bottle of pent-up anger that exploded on the streets. Crucially, the clashes themselves are popularly thought to have been triggered by white racists deliberately provoking young Muslim men to fight back. And when they did, the situation quickly got out of control. Heaven kows what might happen if all those white racists were “radicalised” by these South Asian bombers. No one wants to think aout that. Although, I agree, that is so unlikely and whites are capable of such craven appeasement, the establishment can dismiss the thought. That said, though, I note they had a “bring all the communities” together plan worked out before the attacks. How nice. If only they could control immigration with as much energy and forethought. 14
Posted by JW Holliday on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:33 | # South Asians say they will “rock the boat”:- Perhaps now is the time to be honest with each other and to stop labelling the enemy with simplistic terms such as “young”, “underprivileged”, “undereducated” and perhaps even “fringe”. The don’t-rock-the-boat attitude of elders doesn’t mean the agitation wanes; it means it builds till it can be contained no more. Amazing, isn’t it? They enter someone else’s nation, and then start making demands and not-so-subtle threats. By golly, they are not going to be quiet That their presence in the UK is destroying the genetic interests of the natives? That their own people in their own lands would not put up with a people of foreign blood and foreign beliefs imposing themselves on the native population and getting 15
Posted by Braveheart on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:13 | # Some statistics from the Netherlands. A survey has revealed that 80 % of the foreign youth “understand” and even have sympathy for the fact that Theo van Gogh was murdered. Those youth typically carry a photograph of Mohammed B. in their pocket. He is honoured as a hero. Similarly, but even worse data as for 9/11 thus. And I cherish no illusions about what the result would be for 7/7. Flanders, 16
Posted by john rackell on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:18 | # Jahjah (European Arab League) expects within 10 or 15 years, as soon as the immigrants have the majority in the big cities, that an ethnical civil war will start. This is a somewhat navel-gazing look at our predicament: I recently compared my own life with that of my parents and how differently things have transpired between the two generations while being struck by some eerie parallels. My mother came of age at the beginning of WWII and was a teenager during the Blitz. Her next door neighbors were killed in the bombing, a direct hit on their house, so she could reasonably have had some fear for her life: the fear of suddenly being snuffed out removes death from being a postponeable and abstract consideration. The general milieu was not much different from other people in England and all over Europe: concern for the well being of loved ones; how to think and prepare for a future when one’s own existence was not guaranteed; nor even the survival of the nation or of a decent civilization was guaranteed. So in 1940 one could be filled with much foreboding. Contrast that with my own life, having grown up in relative affluence, well, 3 square meals a day at least, having been borne long after WWII rationing had ended. Just recently I’ve looked back and thought how being born at the right time I’d never had to confront the angst of an earlier generation, or even much real hardship. Could I have coped when everything was in doubt, as in 1940 it surely must have seemed. Yup, in comparing personal travails in a relative sense I got off scot free. Or so I thought, until the last few years, reading VDARE and other sites like this. My parents and their generation, people well advanced socially and professionally in the 50’s and 60’s, bear at least some responsibility for the pitiful state of the nation. That state being where talk of a civil war throughout Europe seems not only credible but preordained. The 50’s and 60’s were the period of time when race replacement first got going, but it could have been nipped in the bud with just a little bit of civic courage of the sort Enoch ascribed to statesmen: So did I get off scott free in the end? My parents were confronted with the collapse of their world order in their teens. Their generation’s legacy to me is a collapse of our very civilization, brought on by those peoples who have an ideology as odious as the Nazi’s, and an implacability that can result only in our gradual extinction (think minarets on Canterbury, or Notre Dame cathedral), or more hopefully, a bloody civil war that will decide the issue of their presence amonst us. So that’s the eerie parallel, the wheel of fortune did one revolution and my generation is confronted by the same dim prospects as an earlier one. What hardships they experienced in their teens I’ll experience in my sunset years. Their affluence came later. My affluence is probably at its high water mark and will recede before our demographic implosion and ongoing race-replacement. In 2005 I am filled with much foreboding. So be it. This isn’t a complaint against my parents or their generation, just an articulation of a reality dimly viewed coming into being. Also this piece of solipsism isn’t intended as a vainglorious “bring it on”. I can certainly bide my time, as others are surely doing, with my ear to the ground, seeing what transpires and adjusting my plans accordingly and preparing, and preparing. But whether the BBC and other fatuous whites, commonly known as the elites, want to recognize it, the mood is changing. 17
Posted by Svigor on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:34 | # Would a hostile but sane Muslim diaspora honestly reply to the question affirmatively to the question, do you support Muslim terrorism?” If not, how can we rely on the poll data? 18
Posted by Svigor on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:35 | # Would a hostile but sane Muslim diaspora honestly reply affirmatively to the question, “do you support Muslim terrorism?” 19
Posted by Braveheart on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:05 | # As far as the survey in the Netherlands is concerned, professional techniques have been used. For instance, the survey target youth group was larger than the foreign youth only etc.… And of course they didn’t know that I would tell you this…don’t forget Theo van Gogh’s last article, that probably caused his death. In their eyes I only am a stupid Fleming…that I could utter some English, certainly goes beyond their imagination! To remember Theo van Gogh’s last article:
In The Telegraph (de Telegraaf is a major Dutch newspaper) I read that Mr Abou Jahjah considers to leave Belgium, although he thinks to need another five years to train his successor at the AEL (Arab European League). Abou is embittered. He only got 1,400 votes at the last elections and considers the Flemish people below his dignity. Abou Jahjah: “God hasn’t been generous for Flanders when he distributed brains. It has always been a racist people.’’ I found this nicely said, such as it was also very instructive to read that his Lordship considered each dead American soldier as a victory. As the prophet’s pimp one cannot aim high enough. You would say, a religious fascist who wants to introduce Islamic law – with all what this means for disbelievers, Jews, homo’s, women and renegades - is not someone with whom you take the effort to go in debate? By the way, I remember very well how Abou let slip that the heretic Ayaan Hirsi Ali had to be locked up. It was not clear if Allah’s shoeshine boy meant that she had be locked up in a mental hospital or behind bars, but I don’t think that she would walk around much longer if the splendid glory of the sharia was introduced here (in Holland). However someone who thinks that Mr Jahjah wants the best for us, is the major of Amersterdam, who started a public dialogue with him and who got afterwards as a reward to hear: “finally a politician who understands me”. A splendid compliment about which Cohen has certainly been permanently very proud. As “fixer” with ambition you indeed should undertake everything - this is a citation - “to keep things together”. What a pity for Cohen that just now it must be once again Moroccan boys who have teased a native Dutch couple out of the city. That happens everywhere in Amsterdam, but it is only because the Volkskrant (the People’s Daily) gave now attention to it, that the question became political. Theo van Gogh + 20
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:33 | # John Rackell, That is a soaring statement, not a solipsism. In this moment the future sovereignty and even survival of our European peoples cannot flow from the actions of our establishments or from those sad, useless received ideas that pass for opinion among the public. That fact has to be explained steadfastly and in detail for as long it takes takes - years if necessary. Vision and eloquence together are too rare to waste. You really should blog with us. 21
Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:00 | # John Rackell, I’ve tried to assemble similar thoughts as yours. > nor even the survival of the nation or of a decent civilization was guaranteed. So in 1940 one could be filled with much foreboding. I enjoy reading the social criticism written by T.S. Eliot at this time. His criticisms are full of foreboding about the destruction of a civilization, that , up to that time, had been one continuous thread. > So be it. This isn’t a complaint against my parents or their generation Not not at all. But I’ve struggled with this. My mother & father were very decent folks, both old school WWII types, grew up in the depression. But they gave birth to the most vile, selfish, and destructive generation in 500 years. How did this happen? Anyway, enjoyed reading your thoughts. 22
Posted by Andrew L on Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:58 | # I forgot , you guys in the UK are the new recipiants of religious villification, next time when I say Islam, I will substitute it with Infidel, etc, that way I will only offend christians etc, and it will be safe, but we know what we mean. ha. That Pixi Blair is one peace of work, fairdinkum, was he the head of the polly correct class, Right winger with leftoid tendansies, hmmmmm.I think, not good for our fellow Poms, you need a revolt, and soon. its revolting what they have done to the UK, and embarresing for the rest of us to realise we came from there at some point of time. 23
Posted by Svigor on Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:30 | # According to the BBC it’s all the fault of “white racists” that innocent South Asian men are provoked Just more liberal white supremacy, nothing to see here. Pakis can’t start riots without the white man’s help, move along. 24
Posted by John S Bolton on Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:58 | # My concept of this, is that the power greedy do not intend race replacement, but an emergency powers regime to be imposed once the violent minorities have reached a level that can sustain a civil war. Officials give the signal for it, is in any race riot or pogrom of that kind. The reason for using this approach in these countries, is that the class war was not enough to get the dictatorship that British elites, among others, pine for. Some countries are resistant to despotism, these are targeted for provocation to race war, or one compounded with religion. What happens to the minorities after they’ve been used and stepped on, for getting these wars and this power, means absolutely nothing to them. Officials want power, not a particular racial composition in a country. They have no reasonable arguments for an increase in their power, so they have only the most corrupt means of gaining it left to them. Do not underestimate their impulse towards absolute corruption, nor their disloyalty, including especially their capacity of disloyalty to the minorities whose causes they take up today. Tomorrow they will betray them utterly. 25
Posted by Rupert on Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:54 | # Braveheart: how can I find the interview with Jahjah? Humo doesnt have it (anymore). 26
Posted by A Hindu on Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:27 | # Whys is Europe facing this Islamic menace? The problem in Europe is our leaders can´t accept reality. Until Islam reforms, the less muslims in non-muslim lands the better. A terrorist problem can really corrupt the rest of society. In Europe this corruptions called fascism. In India there much pent up anger against muslims. I see this pattern being repeated in many other countries. This whole terrorism threat is a test of your values i.e. what do you beleive in? This Griffin character maybe intelligent, but he proposes that you close your heart and live in fear. 27
Posted by A Hindu on Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:41 | # I read many reference to civil war here. Unless Europe wakes up this could be a reality. Fundamentalist are up for a war, theres enough hard core rascist to inflame the situation, and most politicians are cowards (except Blair don´t underestimate him). A recipe for cvil war. Or maybe I am wrong ? perhaps people are waking.
Is it not obvious governments generally do whatever it take to keep order? Blair and other know about the imflamatory verse in the Koran, hes a lawyer for heavens sake. Blair want to prevent attacks on muslims becuase hes a nice guy. Post a comment:
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Posted by JW Holliday on Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:06 | #
The confirmation that the London bombers were British-born, coupled with the recent reports of the trial of the killer of Van Gogh (“I have no sympathy for you, you are an unbeliever; I’d do it again…), raises the question of whether Non-European Caucasians are fit to live in the same societies as European Caucasians. On this evidence they are incompatible with western civilization.
And this underscores my post about the South Asian Fareed Zakaria and his destructive “advice” to Europe to import even *more* young immigrants. Yes, indeed! I gather what the UK needs is even more South Asian “cognitive elitists”. What could the West do for itself, without all these wonderful NECs?