Bishop Williamson on reason. And on faith, of course. Bishop Richard Williamson speaking at the London Forum, 2nd February, 2013. Title for the speech: God, the pre-requisite for all politics: By way of background, Bishop Williamson has been expelled from the Society of St Pius X following criticism of moves by his Superior General, Bishop Bernard Fellay, to reintegrate the Society with Rome. Readers may also be interested to learn that Bishop Williamson is continuing to fight his corner in the German state’s prosecution of him for holocaust denial, which began with the Regensburg court convicting and fining him £10,000 in 2010. He has since been back to court on Appeal, won, been re-prosecuted, convicted and appealed again. The prosecutors have not given up, however. The latest round was on January 16th this year when Bishop Williamson was found guilty for a third time and fined £1600. He has appealed again. In a recent newsletter to his supporters he wrote that “Now not only does what is known as the “Holocaust” serve as the secular religion of the New World Order (Auschwitz replaces Calvary, the gas-chambers replace the Cross of Our Lord, and the Six Million play the part of the Redeemer), but also it seems to me that the post-World War II Germans have difficulty in respecting themselves unless they are beating their breast for the alleged crimes of the Third Reich. ... much more than just money is at stake. A great nation, the true religion and God’s World Order are all involved.” This is an admirable priest. There were, btw, a few minutes of Q&A missed off the above video. They can be seen and heard here. Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:14 | # Voodoo or not, we cannot get rid of the faith trait. Secularising its expression only creates displacement into politics. 3
Posted by Mick Lately on Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:18 | # Let’s hope he doesn’t become the Auschbishop of Recantandbury. 4
Posted by Thorn on Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:26 | # Thanks GW for posting this. It was well worth the time to watch. And yes, I watched the whole vid from start to end. By comparison, Bishop Williamson makes daniels look like a little sissy boy. 5
Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:36 | # This is an example of what I mean by an ideological ‘minimum’ or platform. I think GW ought to post this list on MR, and then we should all discuss what exactly, if anything, we don’t like about it and why. I suppose I myself am best described as a paleoconservative, rather than nationalist.
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Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:38 | #
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Posted by Helvena on Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:04 | # Thank you for posting this GW. The take home from Bishop Williams is that reality is truth which is consistent with the true faith (call it Catholicism if you like). To the extent that any movement steers from the natural order, it is false. Wasn’t this the lament of Nietzsche? No surprise at all that lack Lister could only stomach three minutes or that Heller changed the topic. 8
Posted by Graham_Lister on Sun, 24 Feb 2013 02:51 | # No I was bored by the dullard cleric after 3 minutes or so. A subtle but important difference ‘love’. Ah dear old Haller and his Beck-lite ‘agenda’. Is not the Tea Party etc., merely Sinclair Lewis’ Babbitry looking into a mirror and seeing itself reflected back as a rapidly dying culture? One would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh. The USA and ‘the American ideology’ that so informs her politics and culture (yes a misuse of the term, sensu strictissimo, albeit with some notable and fine exceptions) has produced a failed state - isn’t that blindingly obvious even to the most sluggish, dull, and stolid of mind? Anyone that is an ‘true believer’ in Americanism - I think we all roughly know what I mean by that term - is in the field of ideology and so-called ‘ideas’, the most deadly of Schmittian enemies to autochthonous (that is authentic and indigenous) Europeans. There is nothing more dangerous than the meta-political ‘enemy’ within for they are so very difficult for most to identify. The J-lizards from outer-space, or hell if one is a traditional Christian ‘monocausalist’, are but small beer by comparison. Europa must protect herself, in all regards, from the black sheep of the family ASAP. The fruit of the liberty tree isn’t tasting quite so good these days. Anyone care to seriously disagree? Bring it on by all means boys and girls. Then again I guess I’m wrong. The USA, with a population of whites in the mid 60%, and rapidly heading downwards as a proportion of the nation has got things ‘right’ and little ‘nothing places’ like Scotland (98% white) and other demographically similar European nations have got things a ‘bit wrong’ what with being ‘socialist hell-holes’ etc., ad nauseum. 9
Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:50 | # I agree with EVERY aspect of that Statement of Principles. I would hardly call them “Beck-lite”, however! Beck, as far as I understand him (which is very little - I’ve only read about the man, never the man himself, nor do I listen to talk radio or tv), is really “Francis-lite”. Anyway, those who object to the above statement of principles should produce their own statement. What should a nationalist Statement consist in? 10
Posted by AnalogMan on Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:03 | # America is indeed in dire straits, but to call her the black sheep of the family is a bit steep. Scotland’s relative homogeneity is, as far as I know, not due to greater vigilance of either its population or its politicians. It just hasn’t been targeted by the nation-wreckers to the same extent as America, or England. It’s not really necessary, is it? If they can destroy England, Britain is gone. Despite its demographically debased condition, America is still in a much better position than Britain, or Europe. Bishop Williamson was not convicted three times of Holocaust denial in America. Emma West; ‘nuff said. Robust rights to self-defense - I like that. I must say I prefer Leon Haller’s post. Those are concrete principles which can serve as a basis for discussion and, hopefully, action. Much more useful than endless navel-gazing and debating about “ontology” (what the meaning of “is” is). I guess that makes me a Neanderthal. I can live with that. 11
Posted by Silver on Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:55 | # Leon Haller often makes a great deal of sense, yet he strangely struggles so to be taken seriously. Well, just coz I’m in the mood. There once was a man named Leon, And in contrast If race were a lady, then Lister
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Posted by John on Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:45 | # It must be nice to be able to post piss-taking Limerics, confident that noone can respond in-kind with a better one because there’s nothing that rhymes with Silver. 13
Posted by Silver on Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:14 | # My limericks offend sayeth John, 14
Posted by Thorn on Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:18 | # Sil-VER never fails to beguile He writes with such flair and style His name has no rhyme But come over time Within you’ll find evil and vile.
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Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:01 | # Silver has poetic talent, of sorts. Perhaps he can craft some soulful nationalist verses? Concepts like belonging vs. ‘homelessness’, nobility vs. savagery, aliens vs. ‘those much put upon’, etc, would find their proper expression; eg, a British nationalist might begin his elegy for England with The Island Race is angry / We’ve been put upon too much ...
Excellent observation! I’m angry at myself for not earlier making this rather obvious point (though I think it was meant to be on another comment thread). Dr. Lister enjoys repeatedly deploying various rhetorical sleights-of-hand. He properly (if unseemly) castigates the US for its deteriorating demographic profile, ludicrously insinuating, however, that this deterioration is unique and somehow the ineluctable product of America’s (increasingly tattered) system of capitalist political economy. When one points out that various European nations with very different economic systems (France, Sweden), and, indeed, very little US influence (eg, no military bases, or special trade agreements), are facing similar demographic assaults, Lister calls attention to the superior demographic situations of various European backwaters, implying that it is their resistance to Americanization that is responsible for their relatively happier racial position, rather than their geographic and economic backwardness having temporarily insulated them from globalist pressures. The reality, of course, is that what Lister sees as an American problem (perhaps assumed to be exported to all Western countries) is in fact a white problem. Shouldn’t racialists be the last persons to be surprised that whites the world over react to racial issues in modally similar ways? The problem is not an ontologically corrupted and too widely influential ‘American model’, but an obvious white racial defect or latent susceptibility to a particular type of collectively suicidal behavior, given certain conditions (including the adoption of the ‘right’ mental and moral outlooks). If the USA did not exist, would France or Britain be staunchly ethnonationalist?
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Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:03 | # Apologies. I just discovered that the Francis Statement of Principles @5 got messed up with #9 and 10, which were scrambled in the original (I ought to have caught that pre-posting, however). They should read:
I trust that this Statement of Principles, if, per my recommendation, placed as a separate post, will be emended accordingly. 17
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:08 | # BTW, I should very much like to hear what GW, Lister, and others actually think of that statement of principles? What, if anything, do they find uncongenial? What should be changed for a Nationalist Statement? 18
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:18 | # Incidentally, who will defend the Europeans when America follows Lister’s preferred economic model into full economic self-destruction, and they are finally abandoned by the ever-reliable USA?
For the record, I do not agree that Europe faces no conventional threats, no doubt because I am not, unlike Bandow, a libertarian. Europe faces massive impending threats from an increasingly fecund, and ideologically ever-recrudescing, Islam, not to mention a coming-into-being Africa with two billion mostly healthy and ambulatory, yet impoverished and envious souls. The real camp of the saints has not yet arrived. 19
Posted by Graham_Lister on Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:52 | # Yes moderate social democracy (plus a moderate ethno-communitarianism) with some controls and some restrictions on the finance sector i.e. casino capitalism - is the height of ‘suicide’. I wonder why the likes of Netherlands or Denmark or Finland are not in extreme penury given their ‘incorrect’ and loathsome ‘socialist’ economic policies? Intelligent and sustainable long-term socio-economic policy is not delivered by simply letting the market ‘rip’ - how precisely did such free-market ‘shock therapy’ work out for the generation of Russian that enjoyed this policy imposed on them by intellectual pygmies such as Jeffery Sachs? Corrupt gangster capitalism - how very wonderful. Who but the most willfully blind and/or intellectually dishonest ideologue only has one answer to all the important questions of collective life? The market, the market, the market! Oh, of course, the free-market theory tells us that nothing and no-one has any intrinsic value rather all things and all people are to be valued by the subjective needs of the purchaser of goods, skills, labour etc., (their marginal utility) in the context of the ebb and flow of supply and demand. All things and all relationships must become explicitly incorporated within the logic of contract and market-exchange. Nihilism plus liberal ontology as economic theory. Then under than full and free reign of the market, the free-market ideologue tells us maximal happiness will flow for everyone, yes? Is that not the ‘story’ Leon? If not why not? Who would save what is best and genuinely excellent in the European life from vulgarities of our bovine consumerist ‘culture’? Who would save us from the globalist cosmopolitan liberal order of ‘spaceless universalism’ - a process driven by neoliberal ideology in the interests of massive multi-national corporation and plutocrats everywhere? Yes let’s go with Leon’s worldview. The nightwatchman state and the global ‘free-market’ in all other things - goods, services, labour, let alone extending this dismal view into all human relationships. Excellent. But I doubt anyone but the plutocrats and their ideological handmaidens (in their comfortable gated-communities) would actually want to live under the subsequent conditions of brutal market Hobbesianism. Furthermore, as the ruthless competition between individuals was ramped up to full (“sink or swim buddy you’re on you own - this is Randsville after all”) we might expect that the cost and benefits of collective and cooperative political action to be massively raised, everyone attempts to free-ride any such efforts (got to only look out only for number one right?) and the wider imaginative and politico-cultural space is reduced to “Me, myself and I” (which is at base precisely what liberalism is all about). And, of course, inclusive-fitness theory in the context of social evolution has nothing to tell us about how the much more intense competition between individuals results in relatedness becomes utterly irrelevant from a Darwinian perspective - for example ending up in phenomena like lethal sibling rivalry. No, of course people, that is mere biology, thus has literally nothing to say about the worldview of “at all time and in all circumstances maximal competition between individuals is the highest collective good”. Remember Leon has his ‘correct theories’ which can in principle never be wrong, nor falsified by any conceivable empirical observation or evidence. Market failure doesn’t exist in Hallerworld. Negative externalities generated by the market (social, cultural, political, environmental) are mere illusions deployed by uniquely greedy ‘leftists’ in order to steal the products of your Lockean labour. Even if you are a quasi-criminal organisation like Goldman Sachs. Human beings are rather good at being self-serving and selfish - we really don’t need cheerleaders telling everyone that this the highest and most noble aspect of ourselves. It makes any form of the ‘politics of solidarity’ even harder than it presently is to get of the ground. So yeah let’s have Hallerworld of ruthless ‘free-market’ competition - what Wall Street and corporate America presently serves up under than profoundly liberal ideological miasma. Only times it in intensity by order of magnitude (or two). Really. Wonderful. And very clever politics from the smartest guy in the room. Remember he once half-read Adam Smith people. Respect is due. Can I hire some illegal Mexicans Leon? They are damn sight more profitable for me to employ and acting as a reserve pool of labour keeps our plebs ‘in their place’ - nothing is finer in this world than scab labour. It’s the market don’t ya know?
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Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:47 | # “brutal market Hobbesianism”? Cmon, are you really that dumb? Here is a tiny example of the real Hobbesianism that urban Americans have to deal with all the time:
And then there are the Brooklyn versions of Nonwhite People Problems, as seen in this popular video [3] from a not rapidly gentrifying neighborhood:
The problem with you, Graham, is that basically you are a mid-twentieth century man of the instinctive Left - not only disbelieving in God, but patronizing and mocking towards the Church; disliking of commercial society and its allied bourgeois ethics (even where those are deeply morally and culturally conservative: sanctity of contract, thrift, prudence, long-term rewards for the delay of gratification, etc); a genteel disdain, one senses, for ‘striving’, especially on the part of the ‘lower orders’; a rather parochial dislike of America, rooted in national envy; a thoroughgoing intellectual snobbery which holds that society should be structured so as best to allow ‘philosopher-kings’ (presumably including one Dr. Graham Lister) to indulge their intellectual passions and games, without ever having to stoop to doing drudge-work, whether for home (what are women and servants for?) or market - who has been caught flatfooted by the Radical Sixties and its civilization-degrading children (egalitarianism, feminism, and multiculturalism) and, perhaps still worse, left only with such totally unacceptable ‘allies’ as purblind theists, uncultured capitalists, and unsavory racists. We’re a long way from Listerworld, and I fear matters are only worsening. Keep your eye on the ball: the problem which most threatens Europe is neither the USA nor the free market nor even its rapidly, if predictably, economically collapsing social democratic ‘model’, but colonization by nonwhite migrants. As long as nonwhite immigration continues, there really is no other (political) issue worth worrying about. 21
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:07 | # Maybe this is what we should be worried about?
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Posted by Graham_Lister on Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:41 | # Joy upon joy! Howard Roark walks amongst us and even leaves comments. Readers MR of do not worry for Leon Haller will save whitey with a rather improbable witches-brew of Misean ultras, fundamentalist Protestants (plus reactionary Catholics), assault-rifle owners and die-hard Confederates and the odd plutocrat or two. Personally I doubt the last class of people in that list are remotely interested in his politics, but I’m no expert on such things! White Zion (location to be determined at a late date – it’s only a minor detail folks) will be a Lockean utopia (no it’s nothing like Randsville you cynics!). And in WZ one people will be united under the really, really, really free ‘free-market’. Fanatical - almost theological in nature - adherence to the ideas of Ludwig von Mises will be the highest of all values in WZ. Tax cuts for billionaires will be the key economic policy. Truly those of substantive means (but whom dislike those dark fellows) will finally have a safe haven. And the parasitical, and let’s be honest utterly worthless, Mr. & Mrs. Economically Average (let alone Mr. & Mrs. Economically Below Average) can bloody well learn to stop being so needy (and greedy) and stand on their own two feet because ultimately we come into this world be ourselves and we exit it in the same manner. Ethno-libertarians of the world unite in voluntary association (sorry that’s an unfortunate word in this context - I’ll leave the reader to judge which unfortunate word I was referring to - ethno or unite). Our situation is as radically autonomous individuals that owe nothing to anyone beyond the content of ephemeral contracts - political and more importantly economic - freely entered into and resiled from (and certainly no-one owes anything whatsoever to that mythology called ‘society’). Any other understanding of the order of things is but a ruse gotten up greedy leftists (the only group of self-serving and greedy people in the ideological world of course). The common good is but an illusion. Public-choice theory tells us so. Then again ideologically arse-licking ‘wealth creators’, at ever turn, such as the typical vulture capitalist or the slime-ball creatures that operate within Wall Street and the City doesn’t seem like very smart politics - in that I doubt it really plays with many of we, very non-plutocratic, plebs. You know an important part of politics is at least attempting to be popular with substantive numbers of people. Silly me! But, then again, I think Mr. & Mrs Average are, almost by definition, typically the majority in any society? Perhaps not? Can we, dear reader, really be in Lake Wobegon where everyone is above average? 23
Posted by DanielS on Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:46 | # “As long as nonwhite immigration continues, there really is no other (political) issue worth worrying about.” - Leon
Immigration is going to be resisted with premises of Mises and Hayek style individualism? By Christianity? The priority for Whites is to get organized, unionized as a group, based on our biological interests. Then we might have a sound basis to fend-off non-White imposition, migratory and otherwise. 24
Posted by Thorn on Fri, 01 Mar 2013 16:46 | # Something to seriously ponder.
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Posted by Thorn on Sun, 03 Mar 2013 02:31 | # I’m with ya Velociman.
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Posted by Graham_Lister on Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:08 | #
Oh dear, I only managed around 3 mins of this (I might try latter on in the evening but I doubt I will ever be quite that bored), the priest’s grip of the intricacies of logic are, shall we say rather poor, to be extremely kind? I tend not to listen to people whose opening premises seem to be rather dubious. That faith cannot be in error is but a very dogmatic faith itself. As for his take on logic see
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-paraconsistent/
and
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dialetheism/
One of the central figures in the area of non-classical logic is Graham Priest (see his ‘In Contradiction’ here http://www.amazon.co.uk/Contradiction-Graham-Priest/dp/0199263302/ or his ‘Doubt Truth to be a Liar’ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doubt-Truth-Liar-Graham-Priest/dp/0199238510/)
Interestingly Graham Priest seems to something of a Heideggerian (or at least seriously engages with Heidegger’s philosophical themes. His ‘Beyond the Limits of Thought’ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Limits-Thought-Graham-Priest/dp/0199244219/) has essays on Heidegger (on the grammar of being) and an introduction to the thought of the Buddhist philosopher Nagarjuna (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nagarjuna/), which in this context may be of some interest.
Richard Williamson is a rather curious figure in that he was a founding member of the ultra-traditionalist Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) whose members (or the bishops of SSPX) were, I believe, excommunicated by Pope John Paul II (not a ‘liberal’ Pope or perhaps he was?). Anyway Williamson is even beyond the pale for SSPX and I think has been thrown out of even that organisation (according to internet sources).
Still it’s all more or less Voodoo to me. Now from which end can we extract the sunshine from cucumbers?