Crusading with OBL I noticed that John Ray’s “Dissecting Leftism” today has a link to a Thomas Woods article criticising the PC version (or is it the Monty Python version?) of the history of the Crusades. Readers interested in this issue should check out the work of historian Thomas Madden who is a crusades specialist. Madden dispels some popular myths about the Crusades here but perhaps more importantly points out how mythology about the crusades impacts modern foreign policy debate here.
To continue reading about this debate see here. This article describes how the PC version of the Crusades distorts most media discussion of the roots of the conflicts in modern mid-east.
The anti-crusader stance is usually liberally salted with buckets of anti-Christian or anti-Catholic tut-tutting by modern secularist liberal and social democrats who fail to see any similarity between (allegedly hypocritical) Crusader atrocities and the worse atrocities committed by modern secularist liberal and social democrats in what General Eisenhower called “The Crusade in Europe”. Let’s not even mention Japan. Furthermore, that there is at least some kind of symbiotic relationship between the anti-western ideologies pushed in the western media and the actions of terrorists has, of course, been demonstrated elsewhere, notably the Bali bombers’ legal defence team quoting Michael Moore as an authority and Osama Bin Laden’s rehash of Moore’s “My Pet Goat” jibe. We shouldn’t be surprised if PC mythology blows up in our faces. (P.S. It’s fascinating that the Australian left, generally supporters of the Australian led peacekeeping mission in East Timor, themselves somewhat embarrassed that it was a conservative government that overturned previous Labor governments’ realpolitik “see no evil” stance over Jakarta’s annexation, seem to deny or ignore or otherwise blank out any kind of ‘blowback’ connection between Timor and the Bali bombings, even going so far as to repaint Bali terrorism as blowback for Australian military participation in the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, which, of course, came later!) Comments:2
Posted by dissidentman on Tue, 31 May 2005 00:25 | # The idea of the crusades was not without justice, as they were fought for defensive and reclamative purposes. The war on terror, on the other hand, is only being fought to advance the narrow ethnic agenda of the Ziocons as well as the the lunatic prophecy-fullfillment agenda of American Christian fundamentalists. On the whole few other players have any much to gain of value to them. (I don’t hear of much oil flowing to oilmen. The Iraqis won’t permit that.) Also, unlike American GI’s taking potshots from fortified positions the crusaders put their lives on the line. Although Jerusalem did not “flow with blood” (Thomas Madden points out that this is physically impossible), it may simply allude to the fact that the crusaders understood the unpleasant realities of conquest. If you want to actually control cities you have to subdue the population with stern measures. I’m actually glad that those conducting the war on Terror haven’t absorbed this knowledge though, because I do sympathise with the Iraqis and the Afghanistanis, both of whom did not wrong Richard Perle or Paul Wofowitz or Dubya or Pat Robertson or Conrad Black etc.. 3
Posted by Arcane on Tue, 31 May 2005 03:46 | # dissident, you said:
I don’t know what dreamworld you’re living in, but if you think that American, as well as British, Polish, and the myriad of other nation’s, soldiers are only fighting from fortified positions and are not putting their lives on the line every day patrolling the streets and hunting people down, then you must be a very ignorant individual.
At least you’re honest about your treason… you have no honor. 4
Posted by Geoff Beck on Tue, 31 May 2005 13:52 | # > Sympathize Perhaps not the best word. But I ascribe the very worst motivations to the Neo-Con and militarist cabal that governs America. In this light the motives of those fighting against American power in Iraq seem a logical consequence of our actions. I agree with Phil’s review of <u>Imperial Hubris</u> (I supported the Afgan affair, though our role there needs to be re-examined) As far as our American boys, I say, “come home!”: we’ve got a war to fight on and in our own borders! 5
Posted by dissidentman on Tue, 31 May 2005 18:29 | # As far as our American boys, I say, “come home!”: we’ve got a war to fight on and in our own borders! The MSM and the ruling class have to be toppled first before anything can be done about. They are, after all, a fifth column opening the city gates for the invaders. On a positive note though, I believe that groups such as the minutemen are helping in a small way by drawing public attention to reality. 6
Posted by ben tillman on Tue, 31 May 2005 20:18 | # http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/t/t0332700.html Treason: Violation of allegiance toward one’s country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies. How does sympathy for Iraqis and Afghanis fit that definition? It does not constitute waging war, and the Iraqis and the Afghanis our not enemies of the purported sovereign, the American people! Post a comment:
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Posted by Geoff M. Beck on Mon, 30 May 2005 16:06 | #
I own this book: it strips out all the layers of fable and misinterpretation that has been attached to the crusades over the past centuries.
While I agree with his conclusions, in no-way would I use them to justify or denounce today’s war in Iraq.