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Early thoughts about nationalism in the coalition age The scale of the change to British politics effected by the ejection from office of the Labour Party is now unfolding. I am not just talking about the dawn of the pragmatic centre or the imminent demise of “the database state”, or any of the policy outcomes and accommodations that so preoccupy the media, welcome though some of these are. We are nationalists and we have a higher purpose to which we are faithful, and it is in relation to this that the historical moment has meaning for us. What is that meaning? Well, there are plainly two emergent factors that pose challenges to the development of nationalist politics. The first of those is the decline of cutting-edge race politics which has been such a feature of discourse over the last thirteen years. Is it too early to conclude that such a decline is in train? I don’t think so. As a dedicated follower of political fashions on the liberal-left, and a CiF junkie, I am already suffering withdrawal systems from the paucity of anti-English racism on display at the aforementioned temple of correctness. Amid the after-shocks of rejection and executive powerlessness, I can feel an inchoate horror among the politically fashionable that fashion no longer affords them the opportunity to visit their hate on the white of skin. They know they have to recoup and re-invent themselves to survive, and the instinct for both will, among leftists, unfailingly involve an internalisation of the kind of Pacman activity that these creatures ordinarily project upon us. They are going to devour the old, fearful egalitarian aggressivity and regurgitate it as something else. It is too early to say what. A solidifying of ground gained, perhaps, in preparation for an anticipated new assault. But nothing along those lines can be accomplished now, when all the talk is inevitably of “reconnecting” and “learning from the mistakes of the past.” The Labour Party will likely be out of power for at least eight years. Its critics repeatedly observed that the rise of the BNP was an inevitable consequence of government policy. A symbiotic relationship existed, and now the balance has been disturbed in a major way. Race politics is going to have to do a lot of adjusting to the new centrist reality. The question is, will nationalism adjust also. Or will it continue to lazily rely on the disaffection of the traditionally Labour-voting white working-class … a disaffection which Labour will certainly now endeavour to correct? If the uncertainties in this scenario are too numerous for us to make any firm conclusions at this early stage, uncertainty is no less a factor in and around the BNP following the disappointments of election night. There have been the regulation happy noises about increasing vote share and saving deposits, and the usual sage advice about setbacks along the road. But none of that can soften the impact of the setbacks in Barking and Stoke at both national and local level. They have punctured the illusion that, under Nick Griffin, the party is on an irresistible upward swing. The PR debacles in the run-up to the election and the rumours about the role of Jim Dowson have “last straw” written all over them. A future no more certain than that of the party’s symbiotic twin is beckoning, with the exception that the Labour Party has an efficient mechanism for replacing its leader. These are not the good times nationalists expected at this point in the struggle to save the English people. The change in the political game has caught them out. The nature of the party is being tested and if it turns out, under Griffin and Dowson, to be something other than what the members always thought it was, it will die. Comments:2
Posted by Bill on Fri, 21 May 2010 05:47 | # NWO comes into view Communitarianism, (progressivism. cultural Marxism, Common Purpose,) is stepping up a gear under the Cameron Clegg juggernaut. Has the BNP stalled? Has it run its course? Has nationalism to find a new vehicle to take it forward? 5
Posted by Al Ross on Fri, 21 May 2010 06:53 | # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcRr5xA-K80 The evil Nazi, Pamela Pilger, would have been more convincing had she not been wearing a tee-shirt which bore the legend, ‘Israel Defense Force’ 6
Posted by 'Heigh-Ho' sings Andy Neather on Fri, 21 May 2010 08:27 | # Interesting to note that most of the contenders for the Labour leadership have exclaimed loudly that mass immigration was the cause of their defeat. 7
Posted by Wandrin on Fri, 21 May 2010 08:30 | #
Labour will try and reconnect with white working class voters as much as their anti-white cadres will allow but that won’t be enough because immigration is already well past the tipping point. However Cameron probably won’t do anything about immigration either and certainly not enough. So that points to an increasingly alienated white working class. Cameron appears to be almost a caricature of a Tory wet - only happy when attacking his own right wing. Unbelievably it looks like he plans to govern from the left of the leftmost point in his party. That points to an increasingly alienated conservative middle class. Thirdly, it seems we may be heading for an extreme economic downturn which, among other things, wll almost certainly lead to massive communal violence especially from the mozzies. I’d say that is looking like a perfect storm. Hopefully the current leadership can dust themselves down and spend some time consolidating the ground gained in terms of membership and experience ready to take advantage of the choppy waters ahead. If not then at least the thousands of members who’ve gained experience in the political process can start again. The first option would be a lot easier though. 8
Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 21 May 2010 08:37 | # Cameron is grossly invested in and will continue to push the multicult as well. I thought the English nationalists here followed the news. The WWC is still the most salient fracture-line in the multi-racial edifice, and can be exploited for BNP recruitment by emphasizing for propaganda purposes the traditional Tory disdain, still present as is obvious, for the WWC. Problem solved. 9
Posted by Bill on Fri, 21 May 2010 08:55 | # The media wiped the floor with the lot of us, they set the election agenda, created the Clegg surge that never was and went on to fashion a made by hand media coalition government. Nick Robinson and company really pulled out the stops on this one. At no time was immigration a serious issue. Despite having undreamed of favourable conditions the BNP failed to present the electorate with a credible alternative choice and have paid the price. Cameron is/will be seen for what he is, how the people will respond is beyond speculation - as nothing is like what it says on the tin. Brown (elites) overspent like madmen but they say it was us wot did it and it’s only right and proper we should suffer. (LOL) Keep your eyes (and wits) on Cameron’s capped non EU immigration. 10
Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 21 May 2010 09:06 | # Cameron is a race traitor and Jew-tool, and will conduct himself accordingly. It won’t be all that subtle. 11
Posted by Bill on Fri, 21 May 2010 09:15 | # I really do despise the Tory old guard, Tebbit , Clarke, Davis, who are the most prolific swindlers of the British taxpayer. They’ve sat there for years and pocketed taxpayers money whilst betraying their own kind. They say that if you want to change something then do it from the inside. (LOL) Why doesn’t someone say something? I’m as mad as hell! But I keep on taking it. 12
Posted by 'Heigh-Ho' sings Andy Neather on Fri, 21 May 2010 09:59 | # In 1971 Ted Heath (in response to Enoch’s provocation), brought in an Immigration Act that was touted as kick-ass and its proudly proclaimed intention was unashamedly to cease ‘further widescale immigration in to the UK’. mongst other things it contained aprovision to pay cash bounties to any wog he wished to go home (in fact, that provision still stands). 14
Posted by Al Ross on Fri, 21 May 2010 10:47 | # Captainchaos has certainly got Cameron’s measure. 15
Posted by Lurker on Fri, 21 May 2010 11:10 | #
Sad but true. I keep thinking that at some point the internet would take the lead in political discourse, probably has. But the masses still get their opinions handed to them by the media, and that means the TV, way beyond any other medium. Paers, radio are barely in the running at all. The liberal/left in the UK like to talk about the horrors of the right wing press (dont laugh), and how dominant it is. This is a handy distraction from the liberal TV and its full spectrum dominance in manuacturing consent. TV is widely perceived to be neutral, its only newspapers which have political bias. I dont even think most of them know this, they just repeat the mantra. Its a handy fiction for the elites to play along with. 16
Posted by Bill on Fri, 21 May 2010 12:51 | # Shape of things to come? Beware Coalitions bearing gifts.. May 13, 2010
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Posted by PM on Fri, 21 May 2010 12:59 | # The BNP are the only organisation in Britain of any size or profile that is prepared to tell the truth about issues surrounding immigration, race, Marxism and globalism. When I was first starting to question what I was seeing happening to my country I found their website invaluable. As much as anything else, it was good to know that there were other people that had come to the same realisations and conclusions as me. If the BNP did not exist, it would mean observing the media circus every day, hearing their lies and understanding their malign purposes, and knowing that there existed not a single public voice of sanity or dissent—the modern Telegraph is indistinguishable from the Guardian. To all intents and purposes you may as well be the only person in the country thinking and feeling the way you do. The victory of the Left over Civilisation in Britain would be virtually complete. I would personally find Britain a much more frightening and sinister place without them. You don’t know what you have until it’s gone. I think some of you take the BNP for granted. 18
Posted by Bill on Fri, 21 May 2010 14:54 | # PM Above 11.59AM.
You’re Dead right in what you say, I echo your comment/s in full. The BNP’s contribution to the cause we all aspire to is not in question, the BNP is assured of its place in our history. Our admiration knows no bounds for those activists on the front line whose total disregard for their own safety and reward is truly awe inspiring, but sadly, that in itself is not enough, for without a clear strategy and insightful leadership the project will always struggle. The BNP has flat lined. Can they renew in time for the next election? The BNP is failing to inspire our people to the idea of British Nationalism, it’s the idea that is important, it is the idea of what we are all about, it’s who we are, it’s the rallying cry we should be flocking to in our millions. The blogosphere tell us that there is discontent in the BNP ranks, to what extent this is true is impossible to gauge as the waters become muddier by the day. The reasons for this must be many and varied and are mostly seen can be laid at the door of the leadership. For instance, BBC’s Question Time should never have happened like that, thousands of supporters were humiliated and demoralised by the enemy. Rinse and repeat. Will the BNP be the party to carry the banner of freedom forward for the British people? 19
Posted by Gudmund on Fri, 21 May 2010 17:10 | #
IT is hard to expect a Nationalist victory as long as the enemies are the establishment. Here in the US it is the same story, any party which counters the elite agenda is sidelined without hesitation. No, we don’t have any racial/national parties but that’s not the point. Any “novel ideas” are immediately crowded out, ignored universally, and eventually fade into nothing. I do not see democratic populism working at this late stage, not in America or the UK and perhaps not in the entire Eurosphere. As you said, the conditions were never better for a BNP victory and yet look at the disappointment - this will be probably be the story of nationalist parties for years to come, if you want my prediction. My assessment is not meant to be bleak but clear-eyed so that perhaps some new strategy can be considered. 20
Posted by Dan Dare on Fri, 21 May 2010 21:01 | #
Can you elaborate on the reasons why you feel this is in fact the case GW? Notwithstanding the mass rending of garments and donning of sackcloth amongst the CiF faithful, I can’t really see how Tweedledee handing over the reins to Tweedledum and his Mini-me amounts to an event of much significance. What have I missed. 21
Posted by Wandrin on Fri, 21 May 2010 21:40 | #
Democratic populism is the only way to create a large organisation. The question is how to keep it going in the face of electoral setbacks. I think the answer is politics++ i.e standard electoral politics mixed in with community activism and a strong social and cultural side to provide glue when things aren’t going well.
Labour lost vast numbers of wwc voters to the Conservatives over immigration. The Conservatives won’t do anything about the problem. On top of that Cameron is about to push lots of conservative middle class towards UKIP. On top of that the economic conditions are deteriating. Things aren’t as bad as they might seem. 22
Posted by PM on Fri, 21 May 2010 23:03 | # Bill- The BNP is failing to inspire our people to the idea of British Nationalism… Although I am proud to be a member, the failure to show a bit of depth of feeling and understanding for what this country is crying our for was typified for me on election night, which I was watching at our local count with other candidates. They cut to the footage of Gordon Brown’s count in Cowdenbeath. All the candidates were standing on the platform waiting for the results to be announced. One of them was standing in silence, with a grim look on his face, in a pair of sunglasses with his fist clenched in the air. He stayed in this pose throughout the whole segment. He looked like a Travis Bickle-style lunatic. I don’t need to tell you who he represented. I have now seen a number of BNP members on TV on various documentaries, including Nick Griffin on Question Time, and I always find myself feeling dismayed and frustrated. This country is crying out for someone who will show conviction and passion, and although it is un-English to express it, love. The evasions and soulessness of modern politicians has made the public utterly cynical. If politicians express any kind of pride or emotion towards this country it is only ever for state-sector institutions like the NHS, or vague notions of tolerance and diversity. People expect impotent hatred and bitterness from the BNP. But if someone without damaging baggage was able to emote to the public a sense of genuine love and understanding for the British (paticularly the English) people, who would make it clear that they were prepared to take whatever hatred and spite is thrown at them by the establishment because our survival is worth any sacrifice, for the jaded public it would be like water on parched ground. Accusations of nationalistic hatred would be completely disarmed if the public were to see empty, angry left-wingers responding with cynicism and bile (which they would) towards an articulate nationalist leader who was prepared to bear his soul about the sense of loss he feels for the England that has gone, and for his desperate longing for her return. This would touch a nerve amongst even the most wretched and deracinated of our underclass, because even they instinctively want what is good and what is true, and are instinctively repelled by modern Britain. There is a huge harvest to be reaped. It is there, I have seen it and sensed it so many times in snatched conversations and hustings meetings…I just wish to God we could find the right man. 23
Posted by Dan Dare on Sat, 22 May 2010 00:43 | # I agree with your general sentiments there PM, but without wishing to appear pedantic, I think it proper to note that the individual you refer to at the Cowdenbeath count was not representing the BNP. I’m uncertain if that is what you had intended to imply, but that is probably how it will be read. 24
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 22 May 2010 00:56 | # Dan, Something as extraordinarily alien as our political class’s wholesale adoption of the Judaic faith-object that the throwing open of the land to all humanity is “progress” and, furthermore, that the English people, and Europeans generally, not only have no right of protest but do not exist and so have no claim on their own survival, and, of course, all statement to the contrary is not merely morally illegitimate but is proof positive that the final solution to such “racism” is to finish the job ... literally to finish off English people ... something as alien as that does not enter the body politic without an immensely powerful, long-run push. You know this no less well than I. As an ordinary man observing the turning of gigantic historical wheels, I can only “feel” for the way things are going. I have no entree to the processes themselves, no analytical tools by which to weigh and measure them and assess their vitality. It has to be intuition. My feeling is that the Big Push was already at maximum effort by the time we arrived at the fateful Home Office report of 2000, overseen by the Jews Straw, Roche, and Portes, and had probably been so since the fall of Thatcher, and certainly was as the super-promising Master Blair, the Third Way, and New Labour appeared on the scene. As is the way with these things, after the 97 election the creative effort duly gave way to satisfaction at a job well done. The pushers were in the ascendent and were the new Establishment. They owned all the commanding heights of the nation’s public life. But then came 9/11 and Iraq, 7/7, and the growing public disaffection with Blair and the whole New Labour project. I think that as long as Labour remained their governmental benefactor they could still get away with doing and thinking what they have learned to do and think over the last three decades. But the election changed that, and now they are looking at public sector cuts and a long time separated from the public tit. One certainty is that CiF’s obsession with race has disappeared off the radar. I don’t think it will return in the same hyper-aggressive form, sans all doubt. They haven’t the same confidence. The world has changed at least that much. 25
Posted by graham_lister on Sat, 22 May 2010 01:44 | # Talking of politics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZyXkiQ-vn0 Why don’t we have advocates in the UK as good as Wilders? 26
Posted by Dan Dare on Sat, 22 May 2010 02:01 | # I appreciate the succinct tour d’horizon GW, and would not quibble on the essentials. However I’m at something at a loss to understand why you expect the ‘pushers’ will be in any meaningful sense discommoded by the handing over of the baton from NuLabor to BluLabor. Apart from the obligatory but nugatory ‘cuts’ in public expenditure and ritual genuflections towards their notional base in the form of marginal changes in tax rates, what practical difference will the changeover make? The Human Rights Act will remain in place (it might get a catchy new handle), the Equality Act will come into force as planned, immigration will proceed as usual, the National Curriculum will remain in place, the ‘Special Relationship’ will be resuscitated, the foreign aid budget will increase, and our armed forces will still be embroiled in neo-Zionist imperial adventures, and so on and so forth. So what’s new? 27
Posted by graham_lister on Sat, 22 May 2010 02:27 | # The distinction between the alternatives (Tory or Labour) facing the electorate was, as Ross McKibbin has put it (in the London Reviewof Books), ‘a difference only in tendency or bias’. 29
Posted by Bill on Sat, 22 May 2010 09:14 | # Posted by PM on May 21, 2010, 11:59 AM | #
As you have alighted here you must know the rabbit hole is very deep and complex. In truth I don’t know how deep it runs as new information comes to hand almost daily and one doesn’t know if that information is genuine or not. So how deep does the BNP’s website education programme need to go? This is a tricky one because most enquiring minds entering the website (as indeed any website) are at varying levels of awareness. The BNP’s website awareness policy seems wont not to delve too deeply, in fact most information is readily available in the printed press, (though perhaps not the red-tops) I would say that any eager enquirer would be hard put to be much the wiser after perusing the BNP website. This is the dilemma, the run silent run deep MSM are obviously not going to reveal much to the eager suspicious minds, so the yawning chasm of ignorance persists, and as a result, nearly 30 million people voted for Cameron/Clegg/Brown. Game set and match to the BBC. I had forlornly hoped that with new BNP MEP’s access to the MSM outlets, they would start and tell it as it is, (even a tad would be nice) having seen Griffin several times now enjoying the heady elixir of the MSM studios missing own goals galore, my forlornness has been amply vindicated. As I said at the time, a 65 year old Rochdale lady created more mayhem among the elites than anything achieved by the BNP. Why the BNP is so low key on awareness projection when in the presence of the media is to me baffling. I missed the BNP’s election broadcast so I cannot possibly comment - on its effect or otherwise. At the time of writing the BNP is the only nationalist game in town and soon they will face another election. With the Conservatives thoroughly discredited and the nation in meltdown, the BNP should have a clear field - I will not be holding my breath. A declared state of emergency is a looming possibility. 30
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 22 May 2010 09:28 | # Dan, Judge for yourself ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/21/labour-immigration-daft-strategy ... Note that there is no claim of the moral and historical force of their arguments. The confidence and stridency is gone. They are confused. They are at a cross-roads, indeed have been dragged there, and do not know what next they should do. If the left is no longer clearly laying down the moral rule, then the ersatz left of the coalition will have lost its overseer. It will continue, no doubt, along a course that is “correct” but only because no other rule - like ours - is being clearly enunciated. Nevertheless, their position is non-ideological. Most probably, it cannot hold course throughout a parliament. Only the failure of the BNP tends to confirm the old status quo, and removes the need for immediate change. 31
Posted by Bill on Sat, 22 May 2010 10:30 | # Thanks for that GW. I’m gobsmacked! These thoroughly modern postmodern politicians - “OK guys, (shades of Blair) it didn’t work out, lets move on.” Sentence all of them to life exile in the non white culture of their choice. Here’s something else this morning. http://griffinwatch-nwn.blogspot.com/ How the heck can you gauge the authenticity of what they’re saying? 32
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 22 May 2010 14:55 | # IT is hard to expect a Nationalist victory as long as the enemies are the establishment. The establishment won’t be so hard to overpower. Heck, GW’s forthcoming philosophy will steamroll the establishment. You just wait and see! He’ll teach em!!! In the mean time we can play the “blame it on the Jews” game. Or discuss dead philosophers whilst praising the delusional wannabes here at MR. 33
Posted by GriffinWatch on Sat, 22 May 2010 15:28 | # PM:
An excellent post . 34
Posted by Wandrin on Sat, 22 May 2010 19:38 | #
The left half of the pincer movement always had an immense and insoluble internal contradiction. Marxism is a vehicle for jewish tribal warfare. Cultural marxism the same. The aim is the genocide of white europeans. How do you sell that to white europeans? You can’t. Hence cultural marxism diluted into left-liberalism and the multicult and pitched to white europeans as beneficial. Beneficial. A good thing. Such a good thing in every way that only evil irrational racists would be against it. The white people most inclined to this new left-liberalism are people already in conflict with the dominant culture e.g homosexuals and feminists. Time rolls on. It becomes increasingly obvious to an increasing number of people that mass immigration and the multicult aren’t beneficial at all. However more importantly it also becomes increasingly obvious that left-liberalism itself cannot possibly survive mass immigration and the white people who were most in support of it e.g homosexuals and feminists, are ultimately signing their own death warrants. America is a big place. There, prosperous left-liberal whites can always move away from the consequences of their actions. Countries like England and Holland are small and crowded. With the left pincer weakened that only leaves the right pincer - mass immigration for cheap labour. 35
Posted by Wandrin on Sat, 22 May 2010 19:47 | # @Bill
Imagine the reaction of the enemy if the BNP destroyed itself with in-fighting. They’d be over the moon. That’s how i guage all that online anti-Griffin stuff. It doesn’t even neccessarily matter if it’s all true. As long as the enemy media obsessively attacks Griffin and the BNP in a near hysterical manner then Griffin must be doing something right. Also remember the Russian revolution where all the revolutionary groups had been entirely penetrated by the Tsarist secret police but were still able to function because the secret service never want to burn all their assets at once. Closer to home remember all the groups like IRA and UVF, penetrated by the secret service but still able to function because the secret service never want to burn all their assets at once. As long as you stick to completely legal activities then being penetrated by the security services just means the state is paying for free leaflet deliverers. 36
Posted by Wandrin on Sat, 22 May 2010 19:57 | #
The establishment will be very hard to overpower. Usually it takes an economic disaster combined with a highly visible and obvious threat like communists, mozzies or famine. It will also take a sizable pre-existing nationalist organisation ready to take advantage of those conditions. Alternatively, before it gets that far, it will take someone finding the psychological key to what holds people back from voting for parties like the BNP despite the writing already clearly being on the wall well before we reach extreme conditions. I think it’s guilt. The jews created the holocult - a new religion based on white ethno-centricity as original sin. Currently i think the best psychological key is Bob Whittaker’s ( http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/ ) but there may be others. Even then it will need a sizable nationalist organisation to use that key. So the three tasks: building a sizable nationalist organisation, finding the psychological key, using that key. Pick the one that suits. Actually there’s four tasks - there’s also figuring out the practicalities of what a successful national liberation movement would do after it gets rid of its imperialist oppressors and the sort of constitution that would prevent the same thing happening again. 37
Posted by 'Heigh-Ho' sings Andy Neather on Sat, 22 May 2010 20:58 | # It’s very easy to throw rocks at the BNP. 38
Posted by Bill on Sat, 22 May 2010 20:59 | # Wandrin on May 22, 2010, 06:38 PM
Nice post By the time this stage is reached it will be either all over or last man standing. Capitulation - leaning on an open door, or lines will be drawn in the sand and positions taken. I go for the former. Depends on America really. I notice on GW’s link Guardian CIF @ 8.28 AM the thread is still sprinkled with commentors assuring everybody (but mainly themselves) that there was nothing threatening about immigration. How far off are these people from ‘Oh my God, what have we done? moment. Not far methinks, as the elites in the now deposed labour ranks are there right at this moment. (We must listen and learn) Wandrin on May 22, 06:47 PM
Not entirely, as can be seen on the current BNP threads at the moment, this has a demoralising effect on the members and actually corrodes discipline, notwithstanding the actual results on the ground where (poor results) further compound demoralisation and discontent. 39
Posted by Bill on Sat, 22 May 2010 21:22 | # ‘Heigh-Ho’ sings Andy Neather on May 22, 2010, 07:58 PM
Andy see Bill’s post above 08:14 AM Here’s an extract.
Andy, don’t be too harsh on the British public, it is decades of liberal conditioning that has produced such a society, and that is what we’re fighting against. 40
Posted by Wandrin on Sat, 22 May 2010 21:29 | #
Quite. 41
Posted by 'Heigh-Ho' sings Andy Neather on Sun, 23 May 2010 08:36 | # The other day I had recourse to travel into London, and with typical efficiency the Northern Line of the London Underground was closed (and will remain closed at weekends for many, many months) I was forced to take an alternative route involving excruciatly slow buses. 42
Posted by Bill on Sun, 23 May 2010 08:47 | # Thought for this morning. The way we live. (HT Larouche) Our politicians are constantly telling us they did the right thing. And yet they tell us there’s no such thing (as moral truth) Help! Let me try again. Our politicians are constantly telling us (that in their opinion) they did the right thing. And yet they tell us (that in their opinion) there’s no such thing (as moral truth) Hmm? 43
Posted by Barry on Sun, 23 May 2010 09:18 | # Is it possible that nationalist success in, say, the Netherlands, would boost nationalist success in the UK by showing what can be achieved? Many people see a vote for the BNP as a wasted vote - would that change? Could we even see a domino effect in Europe - particularly if some of the alleged terrorist plots succeed? Do events in the Netherlands/France/Germany make much difference? Am I kidding myself? 44
Posted by Bill on Sun, 23 May 2010 10:45 | # On my (fairly extensive) meanderings through the blogosphere I have frequently come across the term communitarianism and Common Purpose. I must admit these two terms whether expressed singly or in tandem have never lit my candle and usually scrolled down and moved on. Clegg and Cameron have changed all that, for although not using those terms directly, Clegg and Cameron are drawing up a document to present to Her Majesty to the effect that communitarian and Common Purpose is the next parliamentary step forward. It is clear politics has hit a brick wall, rather like the end of history, communitarian and CP is about to change all that and is to be launched off the builders stocks. The chosen ones to smash the obligatory bottle of champagne on the bow of this vessel is apparently, Cameron and Clegg. And God save all who sail in her. The introduction of this new global village way of living - enclosed in a politically correct barbed wire electrified fence will be cloaked in a sugar and candy icing - group rights, justice and fairness. Where we whites fit in to this system has not yet been made clear. Nothing new there then, move along, move along. I must say I’ve been caught napping on this one, and as a result hadn’t got a clue what C&C;were talking about when espousing handing power back to the people (community) Oh how I have come to hate that word community, ever since new Labour (and massive immigration)came to rule the zeitgeist has been all about community - and I never did guess why? Well, now I know (or think I do) that the coming ideological struggle is to be between communitarianism (CP) and nationalism. On your marks…... Communitarianism, Common Purpose, Third Way, Cultural Marxism, Progressivism… any more? 45
Posted by Bill on Sun, 23 May 2010 13:21 | # Barry May 23, 2010, 08:18 AM
Maybe, but voting for the BNP comes with a pc price and so voters have to summon up the courage to cross the great divide, once done there’s no looking back. I view a vote for the BNP as a vote for an idea, also a vote of thanks to the brave candidate for putting their head above the parapet, and thirdly as a signpost for others to follow, and finally, a vote for the BNP is a poke in the eye for the elites. Scares’em you know. Never think a vote for the BNP is a wasted vote, not at this stage of the game. 46
Posted by Griffinwatch on Sun, 23 May 2010 14:44 | # For those who haven’t yet seen them. Here are the leaked BNP accounts.
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Posted by Lurker on Sun, 23 May 2010 16:26 | #
Bill, Clegg did use the term, common purpose, in his first speech, it was quite explicit. 49
Posted by Bill on Sun, 23 May 2010 17:28 | # Lurker on May 23, 2010, 03:26 PM
. Thanks L - I missed that one. A Google search. ‘The future is communitarianism’ revealed the usual gazillion replies. To anyone interested, I found this one easily readable and plausible. 50
Posted by Wandrin on Sun, 23 May 2010 18:01 | # @Barry
Yes. It’s why the media has been keeping quiet about Wilder’s success. Things like the minaret vote in Switzerland and the Burqa votes in Belgium and France help us. Publicizing nationalist successes in other countries is very important for morale. Similarly with the recent Arizona laws over illegal immigrants. International nationalism. Most of those countries have PR systems so it’s easier for them to get off the ground. FPTP makes it more difficult so on the surface people do have a logical point when they say it’s probably a wasted vote. On the other hand none of the mainstream parties will stop the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population so voting for them is wasted even more. 51
Posted by Wandrin on Sun, 23 May 2010 18:14 | #
Yes it’s ironic - to keep things going they’re having to import a Polish carbon copy of the English working class they exterminated. It does illustrate their problem though. They can’t keep things going without us. London is literally decaying and becoming a 3rd world city in front of our eyes. Forty years ago i imagine trying to warn people of an imagined 3rd world future must have been quite difficult. Now London, California, South Africa have all become overt flashing neon-signed warnings of what our future is unless the enemy is stopped. 52
Posted by Wandrin on Sun, 23 May 2010 18:19 | # @Barry Further to what i said about publicizing as much as possible any nationalist successes elsewhere. The enemy use morality to try and bully people into not defending our nations from attack. They like to pretend the “vast majority” agree with them. One aspect of publicizing successes elsewhere is to counter the media’s pretence of representing majority opinion. 53
Posted by BGD on Sun, 23 May 2010 23:46 | # Nick Griffin to stand down..but give me three more years (BNP website) 54
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 24 May 2010 00:33 | # BDG, That interesting news has been received in somewhat underwhelming fashion on the dissident fora. For example:
http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/bnp/76869-nick-griffin-announces-intention-step-down-2013-a-2.html 55
Posted by Griffin Watch on Mon, 24 May 2010 00:54 | # A full report and analysis of recent events can be found here: http://griffinwatch-nwn.blogspot.com/2010/05/griffarage-on-ropes-and-desperate-and.html 56
Posted by Sam Davidson on Mon, 24 May 2010 02:53 | # Guessedworker, I’m not as familiar with the U.K., but in the U.S. we sometimes have “propositions” that are voted upon by the masses themselves. In almost every single instance the people acknowledge a need to end illegal immigration and the need to recognize the cultural heritage of this nation. To me, this shows that most White Americans are by and large decent people with a sane view of the world. Do the Brits ever vote this way in elections? I could understand a reluctance to vote BNP, but what about non-partisan referendums? Do you think that election fraud is being committed in the U.K. to suppress the growth of nationalist politics? (Ex. the very curious results in Barking.) 57
Posted by Lurker on Mon, 24 May 2010 04:26 | # No, we dont get to vote on propositions. We’ve had a referendum or two over the years, I suspect a straight vote on immigration, certainly non-euro immigration would easily get Arizona sized support. But our system is geared toward voting for a party and their shopping basket of policies. Issues that scare the elite can be compromised by mixing them in with other policies or buried entirely. No propositions to rock the boat. Voting for the BNP could be seen as a straight choice, but to the average voter its not like that. Its the BNP one one issue vs a whole batch of issues and policies for another party. As long as the big 3 parties can keep the pressure up regarding other policies, then they can fend off the BNP. Its not seen as a simple immigration vs no immigration. In an election its framed no immigration or the NHS. No immigration or fewer schools and so on. All nonsense of course, but I think thats how the average voter sees it. 58
Posted by Bill on Mon, 24 May 2010 07:34 | # Griffin announces his intention to go. Whatever emerges phoenix like post Nick Griffin, it is crucial that every last vestige that is the cancer of Nazism be surgically removed from the BNP body politic. Even the name BNP has got to go. It has been heartrending to see the herculean efforts of the rank and file members at the coal face casually brushed aside by its opponents with deadly Nazi Jibes. Exorcise Nazi connotations from British Nationalism and its opponents become toothless. 59
Posted by Wandrin on Tue, 25 May 2010 01:04 | #
Unfortunately not. Like Lurker i think a straight “immigration moratorium” referendum would pass but currently there’s only ever a chance of a referendum if one of the major parties support it and in this case they don’t. So most people vote on a list of issues and although opinion polls have 60-80% of people opposed to immigration their biggest priority is always economic so they vote to protect their benefits / taxes instead. Despite that there was a gigantic vote swing over immigration but it went to the Conservative party instead of the BNP.
I recall a Spitting Image of Thatcher’s cabinet dressed in Nazi uniform. The enemy will call nationalists Nazis no matter what they do so there’s no point trying to evade it beyond the most obvious points and certainly not to the extent of avoiding having an “N” in the name. Another tactic is needed instead. I think Bob Whittaker’s mantra idea would work until someone comes up with something better. http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/the-white-mantra/ Just call them anti-white Nazis back. 60
Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 25 May 2010 10:31 | # It may well be that the concept of referendum is opposed by honest British politicians (if such there be) in principle because they regard it as an abdication of parliamentary responsibility. The point about ethno - nationalism which should be made forcefully to Leftists and other providers of succour to racially alien interlopers is the one made by KMac, viz., that the consanguineous nation is perfectly normal throughout the world except for Whites who must share their homelands with blood strangers. 61
Posted by James Bowery on Tue, 25 May 2010 16:59 | # None of the major parties can respond with anything but hysterics to the following platform: * Treat pollution as a criminal assault on the nation. Anyone in positions of influence over nationalist politics that doesn’t pursue something like this should be given all the respect that losers deserve. 62
Posted by fellist on Thu, 27 May 2010 09:44 | # Bill, I’m sure Wandrin is right. I’ve even responded to the Nazi name-calling before by saying that if Nazis are now the only people willing to allow the English to live, then all good people should become Nazis. Increasingly they’re moving away from that anyway, Labour are reluctant even to call the BNP support racist in case it backlashes against them. P.S. I notice you linked to Bob Chapman last week. Did you know he was a good pal of Leon Degrelle’s? tut, tut… *** I agree with James Bowery, there are many simple to understand, intuitively popular policy options that the BNP seem blind to, just like the ones he names. If they proposed a Land Value tax they’d simultaneously be able to exploit Vince Cable’s reputation for economic savvy and also the establishment party/ies unwillingness to introduce policies like that once in power. 63
Posted by Bill on Fri, 28 May 2010 22:49 | # Like the BP oil saga in the Gulf of Mexico, the BNP chairman Nick Griffin is trying to prevent the post election spillage of discontent from spreading throughout the nationalist blogosphere. Nick Griffin, the chairman of the British National Party has produced his overview of the present BNP and describes it as a vital explanation of the true state of play at a defining moment in our history.
The question that still remains unanswered. Why, when over 80% of the people of Britain rank massive immigration as among their top concerns - why is it this concern is not transferred into support and votes for the BNP? Nick Griffin seems to be saying it is due to lack of professionalism (despite the tremendous strides he personally claims to have made in recent years.) The bottom line is, the British public could not, for whatever reason/s - cross the Rubicon. 64
Posted by Bill on Sat, 29 May 2010 12:26 | # This morning’s Guardian headlines. Inside the violent world of Britain’s new far right. Funny, I don’t remember seeing this on the BBC. Video footage of EDL in action. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/28/english-defence-league-guardian-investigation 65
Posted by Bill on Tue, 08 Jun 2010 21:56 | # GW Friday, May 21, 2010 at 01:01 AM Early thoughts about nationalism in the coalition age.
I find Blair’s quote apt again, the (BNP) kaleidoscope has been shaken and the pieces are in flux. The BNP is on the ropes and there’s no-one to throw in the towel - it’s bloody! On the Griffin Watch blog Nemesis perhaps isn’t using such lurid language, in a lenghthyish comment he is but no less disturbed. Reform or disaster:
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It is clear that Griffin is prepared to settle with a smaller BNP and would accept a party some two-thirds less than what it is now if it meant his continued hold on power. But such a state is not sustainable and would initiate a major rank and-file rebellion. http://griffinwatch-nwn.blogspot.com/ I’m sure some here have been watching these developments with interest, witnessing the pieces in flux, waiting for a final pattern to emerge. No-one is breaking cover. Early days perhaps. GW, you were most prophetic in your opening account. 66
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:22 | # Thank you, Bill. The man to watch now appears to be Eddy Butler: http://eddybutler.blogspot.com/ ... who is a back-room boy with ambitions, possibly, on the top-job. He’s able. Whether he is a national leader in waiting, of course, is another matter. But he might have what it takes to win the party an electoral reprieve and re-establish some momentum. 67
Posted by Bill on Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:17 | # In case you hadn’t noticed, here in England the soccer world is revved up ready to cheer lead England to victory. The soccer world’s brightest and best are assembled in South Africa for the World Cup. Here in Britain, the media has swung into hysteria overdrive, galvanising the English moronic coke-snorting, footie and Eastenders fixated, shaven headed tossers to fish out their red and white banners in the form of the cross of St.George and drape house/car for the duration of England’s participation. The BBC’s (media’s) enthusiasm knows no bounds, Rooney is the second coming and will be our savior, always assuming of course he doesn’t advise the Black referee to go f**k ‘isself. Our media is all geared up in nationalist mode. I - n - g - e - l - a - n - d…....I - n - g - e - l - a - n - d clap-clap….clap-clap-clap-clap….clap-clap. Meanwhile, headlines in the Daily Mail read. More than 1,200 housing association staff banned from flying England flags on their OWN cars Would you Adam and Eve it? Will the English moronic coke-snorting, footie and Eastenders fixated, shaven headed tossers join the dots? - Ever? 68
Posted by Bill on Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:10 | # Posted by Bill on May 21, 2010, 01:54 PM
Posted by Bill on June 08, 2010, 08:56 PM
http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/bnp/ http://griffinwatch-nwn.blogspot.com/ Posted by Guessedworker on June 08, 2010, 10:22 PM
July 2010. The BNP is in a war of attrition. The challenge by Eddy Butler to Nick Griffin for the head honcho of the party has thrown the BNP into meltdown territory - can it survive intact? Is Griffin committing the BNP’s suicide? Post a comment:
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Posted by Al Ross on Fri, 21 May 2010 02:33 | #
During the election’s TV debates Nick Clegg argued in favour of an amnesty for illegal immigrants. Clegg was right in principle but wrong in his interpretation of “amnesty”. The LibDem leader wanted illegals to own up, face a wrist - slap of ‘community service’ and then become permanent residents with a route to UK citizenship.
A true one - time amnesty should offer illegals who come forward no punishment, simply immediate, no legal recourse, deportation with travel cost contributions from their scofflaw UK employers and the governments of the countries whose citizenship they hold.