Hitler as Caesar - i.e., a historical lesson

Posted by DanielS on Thursday, 03 December 2015 10:19.

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Hitler as Caesar: Historical lessons to be learned and new friend/enemy lines to be drawn.

Morgoth:

German National Socialism is the foundation of today’s Anti White morality, so even if we granted this Pole everything, every atrocity, every murder and every slur, you can even say the Nationalism Socialism was a flawed ethos because it was merely a reflection of Zionism, which they do at Majority Rights, but that still leaves us in the situation of having to deal with the use of National Socialism to mentally cripple our people, and that would even include Poles and Ukrainians today, who would also be called ‘‘Nazis’’ for wanting to preserve their identity.

I simply cannot see a way around it or under it or over it, we must go straight through it and Poles etc are just going to have to deal with it, because if we fall so do they.

Unfortunate though I believe his hypothesis is, Morgoth has his hypothesis there.

By contrast and to repeat, this Italian/Polish American doesn’t require ethno-nationalists to grant any guilt trips about Nazi Germany (whatever in particular he supposes that “I require to be granted”, I don’t know), but I do require fellow ethno-nationalists to be halfway intelligent and honest in drawing battle lines fit to the requirements of today and what we know now.

Morgoth’s former picture of the week which, according to him, I wasn’t supposed to look at critically:

MR has another hypothesis here.

You did lose, and so did all Europeans because proper friend / enemy distinctions were not drawn.

I, we, are fighting with all we can to defend all native nationalists of all of Europe - western Europe absolutely as well. In fact, they are much better off without the justifiably negative stigma and inter-European strife that came along with that regime and its imagery; on the contrary, they can signal their clear cooperation on European ethno-nationalists grounds much better without it.

That’s the working hypothesis here.

Poland has a unique situation to argue in nationalist terms. Having been subject to both Soviet and Nazi invasions, it is difficult for our enemies - by that, I mean the enemies of we ethnonationalists - to accuse us, by means of them, of being communists or Nazis - the usual bogey men raised to denounce nationalists. They will try to call all ethno-nationalists “Nazis”, you say? Yes, they will try, but anyone who knows the lay of the land (say, in Poland and among Poles), knows that is ridiculous (and no, the next picture of the week that Morgoth put up, of a few bald Poles making Roman salutes behind a “blood and honor” flag is not a representative pattern).

With Poland having suffered among the most of those subject to Nazi invasion, nobody is going to call a true Pole “a Nazi” and have it stick in a credible way.

That typical argument among White Nationalists - “they are going to call you a Nazi anyway, therefore, may as well identify as one” - doesn’t hold up.

The accusation remains a problem for many, however, particularly for those of German and German American extraction. As I have said before, the guilt trip is right on top of them - and it is difficult to have perspective - one is either completely at the opposite extreme, such as Frau Merkel, or, as some tactlessly claim, one must “go directly through it” and cop to the identity completely and unabashedly.

It isn’t true: but for the guilt trips and the overwhelming abuse of liberalism, one may not have perspective to see any other options.

Whether for lack of perspective for overwhelming guilt trips looming upon them more directly as Germans or German Americans; or resulting from the position of those, such as Italians or Italian Americans, whose more marginal position is susceptible to disingenuous negative classification; or for a lack of empathic perspective for their ethnicity, such as the Irish, not having been particularly in the path of Nazi wrath; the overwhelming frustration pervasive liberalism’s destruction has visited upon them tends to manifest two logical fallacies:

1. Overstated premise: Hitler and Nazism necessarily represented “White people” (which, of course, they did not, but only in part).

2. False either/or: It is either Hitler and Nazism or Jewish, neo-liberal rule and its runaway.

Of course cooperative ethno-nationalism is the alternative and proper way out of these illusory paradoxes.

As stated above, Poles, e.g., are in a unique situation to share the relative “innocence” of their nationalist perspective with other nations and unburden them of the guilt trips laid upon them - a service in unburdening ethnonationalist Germany, in particular, of guilt trips.

World War II is history and there is no sense in laying guilt trips upon subsequent generations of Germans and penalizing them.

While the same would apply to virtually all nationals willing to coordinate in ethno-nationalist terms, of course, German nationalism’s recent history has been “mythologized” to the point where it is looked upon as pure evil, having had no rational reasons for its actions, operating ex-nihilo of sufficient cause - forcing would-be nationalists to lie prostrate before Jewish and liberal charges of “Nazism.”

It was not ex nihilo evil; but neither does defense of Nazi Germany hold up to ethno-nationalist criteria.

So, how do ethnonationalists go about correcting the hubris of liberalism which has run rough-shod over the systemic bounds that ethno-nationalism would otherwise provide for our human ecologies?

And how do we look upon Nazism’s imperialist over-correction, an exponential over-reach instigated by Jewish power and influence, neo-liberal powers and some overcompensations from its war-weary neighbors? We look upon it as a history that we can all understand by analogy to many examples in our own lives when we have over-reacted to provocation - now, at our best, we look upon it as history, to learn from. And when we see that our enraged response was directed in the wrong places or without correct measure, we try to do things differently the next time similar provocations arise.

Toward that measure of putting things in perspective and “demythologizing” Hitler, as it were, he is well likened to a Caesar type figure: in regard to whom people now should neither be guilty nor overwhelmingly proud. He did some things well, ok, that we can learn from, but particularly for his intra-European conflict, we should not extol him as a model: Caesar routed the Gauls - oh, good! (not). It would be ridiculous for me to expect people to shrug-that-off as a necessary cost; to say the Gauls “should just get-over it”; to say that all Europeans should affably resonate with and under Caesar’s image; and that the Germans of the Teutoburg Forest must get with the program or “just deal with” the fact that we do not have sense enough to draw new lines, with new signifiers and worldview indications, making it clear that we are European allies now..

NPR/ Mary Beard, ‘From Gladiator Duels To Caesar’s Last Words: The Myths Of Ancient Rome,’ 1 December 2015:

Julius Caesar, perhaps the most famous Roman of them all, had just conquered the Gauls in an absolutely brutal series of campaigns that even some Romans likened to genocide ...soon after establishes himself as dictator ...there is a sense that liberty is being removed by an autocratic leader and a group of what were actually his friends, stabbed him in the Senate.

Of course you aren’t going to make normal people and people who want to fight on proper lines, entirely copacetic with Hitler and Nazi Germany. But you don’t need to; in fact, it’s a great disservice to western nations’ ethno-nationalism, its share in the perspective on their innocence and trust thereof, a burdensome hindrance to participation in their eminent warrant of defense on ethno-nationalist grounds: because Nazism was not ethno-nationalism, not even national socialist, but imperialism in the end; and it certainly did not represent all White people and their nations.

Of course we must not fall into the trap of intra-European fighting again. But that is not enough - as we all know, we must regain our martial spirit and marshal it in the correct manner. Admire and learn from aspects of war and martial prowess of the past, yes, but the most crucial lesson to be learned, and the point, is to draw correct friend / enemy lines this time; to become ethno-nationalists in cooperation and/or coordination - not to become pacificists.

 

We must regain the will and warrant to kill those who would kill us, you say? Indeed, that is true. But it is a martial spirit that falls in line with ethno-nationalism and regional cooperation as well. Following a line that Bowery articulated: If people will not allow for our human ecology’s discretion to exclude them, then they are abrogating freedom from (and of) association and our freedom of voluntary contract; i.e., they are treating us tantamount to slaves and we might even kill them in self defense if they will not cease and desist from that imposition - this will apply even to those who will refuse our orders of deportation and our assessment that they are to lose citizenship and/or right to abode in our ethnonations.

           

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children

 

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:59 | #

So, let’s look at the key elements of National Socialism - those which are not purely economic, at least - and determine what role, if any, they could have today.

Ayran supremacism (die Herrenrasse)

Today we are seeking to represent our people’s natural right to life and land.  Supremacism is completely off-target.

Slave-labour

Ditto.

Lebensraum

Ditto.

The cult of the Führer

The English, Scots, and Welsh, anyway, are simply too worldly and cynical to love up the leader to the required volume.  Sorry.  Can’t be done.

The total state

Well, in significant respects the version of democracy we have now is not too far from totalitarianism.  But I think the voting public might be quite interested in more democracy rather than less, or in genuine democracy rather than an abuse of it.

State terrorism

Who in their right mind ...

Eugenics, racial hygiene

All we really need is some awareness of self ... some honesty ... and the important aspects of racial life will take care of themselves.  Won’t they?

The militarisation of society

And so we arrive at the chief attraction, indeed, the only real attraction for many.  The Schutzstaffel elite ... the Hitlerjugend ... a prescribed set of actions and horizons for the lost souls of urban Postmodernia.  But is there any evidence from WW2, say, that this is the only foundation on which peoples can be called to their own defence?  Really?

 



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Posted by Drone captures arson of refugee shelter in Finland on Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:12 | #

Drone footage shows arson of would-be refugee shelter in Finland:
https://www.rt.com/in-motion/324340-arson-attack-finland-fire-refugees/


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Posted by Jez Turner/ Andrew Brons on Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:49 | #

Jez Turner/ Andrew Brons:

http://www.radioaryan.com/2015/11/british-renaissance-jez-turner-and.html


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Posted by She moved through the fair on Fri, 04 Dec 2015 15:34 | #

Cara Dillon & Solas - She moved through the fair

 


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Posted by praxis negotiates insufficent liberation from Jews on Sun, 06 Dec 2015 11:12 | #

What transformed Hitler from boring, marginalized figure into one of history’s most charismatic speakers?

The Daily Kenn lays out some interesting facts, but reaches a mistaken conclusion from those facts - that “one should not look at Nazi Germany as a Zionist conspiracy because that is a mistaken tendency to blame all Jews as all powerful evil conspirators, when in fact ‘THE’ problem is in Marxism and other mistaken ideologies.” The problem is that Kenn is falling for some Jewish red capes. That “it is absurd to believe that Hitler’s actions all boil down to the machinations of Zionist conspirators; and it is absurd to blame every last Jew. In fact, the problem is with mistaken ideologies, prominently, Marxism” which Kenn frequently refers to as “the left.”

Not quite. While we must not let ourselves be made to look absurd by advancing Jewish planted conspiracy theories that Hitler was a puppet on the strings of Zionist conspirators; or that every Jew had equal punishment and deserves equal guilt; neither should we go after the Jewish red cape that the problem is all in “the left.”

1. A Zionist motive could have been equally shared by Jews and anti-Jews alike. But that does not mean that it was an all explanatory conspiracy of which Hitler took part or was subject to as a mere puppet. Nevertheless, these motives make sense and apparently had at least partial power and influence in the events that occurred.

2. That some Jews were more culpable than others or more targeted than others is theoretical child’s play for Majorityrights by now (see the discussion of horizontal transmission). Theoretically, it is handled by separatism, as opposed to “killing all Jews.”

3. It is valid to blame Marxism significantly, as Kenn does, but not to accept it as representative of “the left” in relation to Whites as he also designates it. It represents Jewish imposed liberalism for Whites. Just like the other two conspiracy theories that he wants to dismiss - a) that Hitler was a puppet on Zionist strings and b) it was all the fault of all Jews, who are all powerful people - these theories are proposed to make the semi-ambiguous and semi-conscious but very real patterns of evolutionary biology look ridiculous by making them didactic - exaggerating them as the narrow explanation of everything to the point that the whole topic seems ridiculous.

To argue against “racism” and to pin all blame on “the left” as Kenn does, is to fall for a trap set by Jews as well, albeit a deeper one, to have us arguing against racial organization, unionization, and instead on behalf of liberalism - i.e., the dissolution of racial classification and bounds for the supervention of individual, marginal and outgroup interests.

Relatively intelligent people who apply analysis to look for overly precise solutions to these problems are particularly susceptible to fall for these Jewish tricks.

That is because events, social interactions, such as WWII, emerge though evolutionary biology in the necessarily contingent and semi- conflicted world of praxis (biological, social) interaction, not in the realm of pure theory, perfectly calculated conspiracy in full regard. 

However, despite his conclusions which lack the sufficient feel of the mutedness of praxis, Kenn does draw upon some significant facts which can provide for a better understanding through the purview of evolutionary biology.

First, let’s look at the facts that Kenn lays out:

What transformed Hitler ...into one of history’s most charismatic speakers?


The answer can be found in the name of Erik Jan Hanussen. Hanussen was a noted performer known for his uncanny ability to entrance audiences with his stage presence. He literally billed himself as a hypnotist.

Hitler recruited Hanussen to become his personal speech coach. It was Hanussen who reputedly taught Hitler the power of performance. When we watch and listen to the provocative speeches of Hitler at the Nuremberg rallies, we are watching the handiwork of Hanussen.

Though Hanussen (born Hermann Steinschneider) pretended to be a Dutch aristocrat he was, in fact, a Moravian Jew.

What Jew was an early confidant and remained close to Hitler until the end?

Upon formation of the notorious SS (Sturmstaffel) Adolf Hitler became member no. 1, member no. 2 was the lesser known Emil Maurice. Maurice remained a close confidant of Hitler from the time they met in 1919 to the end of Hitler’s life.  When Hitler was sentenced to Landsberg prison after the famed Beer Hall Putsch, Maurice was incarcerated along with him. It was there that Maurice dictated portions of Hitler’s Mein Kempf, and upon their release, it was Maurice who smuggled the manuscript out of prison.

The loyalty of Maurice to Hitler earned the former the role of the Fuhrer’s personal driver. He was one of two men to hold that position. When Hitler allegedly committed suicide in his bunker at the end of World War II, Maurice was there. Maurice was assigned the task of retrieving gasoline to pour over the bodies of Hitler and his newly wed spouse Eva Braun moments after their suicides.

Add to that at least 30 high-ranking officers with Jewish heritage in the Weirmacht.

The fact that NS Germany officially advocated the formation of Israel.

Haim Arosoloff, negotiated the Haavara agreement to allow some Jews to emigrate to Palestine in 1933, was of course a Jew; had also dated Magda Goebbels prior to his marriage to Joseph Goebbels. As the war neared its end, Himmler lamented in his diary that Hitler had allowed too many Jews to live in Berlin.

The 250,000 Jews who emigrated to Palestine between 1929 and 1938 included a massive number of professionals, doctors, lawyers and professors from Germany who emigrated with Hitler’s blessing. The migration resulted in Palestine having the highest per-capita population of doctors in the world.

This all makes sense by way of evolutionary biology - a co-evolution with and against Jews and Jewish ideas - contingent and partly finished interactive responses manifesting more or less semi-consciously through Hitler’s conflicted entanglement with Jews and European populations. By talking in terms of evolutionary biology and its reactions, I am not relying on the idea that Hitler was partly Jewish. I am talking about the biological relations and the interplay of ideas, some of which were shared interests and abstract ideals of Jews.

Though contestable as to how much these figures influenced Hitler’s actual world view and practices, it is less speculative to consider the proposition that Jewish views did have at least some considerable influence on his worldview and methods of realization.

When you add the other Jewish people among the Nazis, its friend enemy lines that included the escape of elite Jews, it emerges more plausible that Jewish motives had some underlying influence in Hitler’s outlook and the manifestation its world view reflected in important respects (as Guessedworker argues).

In consideration of how we, as normal White men, feel about White mudsharks, one can understand a strong motivation among Jewish elites - they could have contempt for Jews who’d remain in Germany and Europe, susceptible to interbreeding with Germans and other Europeans. They could want those Jews to be killed (or at least not care about it) in order to instigate purifying, Zionist in-gathering.

Jews would also have no qualms about Europeans killing each other.

That is not to say that Hitler was a mere puppet for Jews, but that fundamental epistemological planks in his world view could have been errant to European EGI (ethnic genetic interests) because they were influenced by Jewish worldviews and reaction to it, particularly if you look at its happening through semi-conscious evolutionary biological manifestation.

While The Daily Kenn has put together some interesting facts, the conclusion that “anti-antisemitism is dumb” is considerably off the mark. On the contrary, the evolutionary biological perspective finds that Hitler and his adherents were insufficiently separated and liberated from Jews and Jewish thinking.

By contrast, we seek full autonomy from Jews.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:28 | #

A purer version of She Moved Through the Fair by Anne Briggs, from 1963:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dyUsXgL7ow

... and the development by Fairport Convention with the great Sandy Denny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb43-Q70olM

Fairport’s 11-minute masterpiece A Sailor’s Life, which effectively ended the suzerainty of modern folk by the culture of critique (aka the protest song):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szrGtFxtWXU


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Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:06 | #

Daniel,

Obviously, full autonomy from Jews requires that our children are born into a thought-world emergent from our nature, and not from the Jewish nature (in so much as a commonality of nature exists within the different Jewish ethnicities).  As you are very well aware, we sons of Europa have not had autonomy in the north for 800 years, in the east a thousand years, and in the west fifteen hundred.  We will not do so until the riddle of how to generate an authentic (that, is, ethno-religious but individually realising) exercise of the trait of faith is resolved.

Yes, National Socialism was substantially Judaic.  One recognises in respect to Aryan supremacism that it was predicated on Nietzsche.  But then Judaism got there a couple of millenia earlier and, anyway, the Fuhrer Principle and the Thousand Year Reich are pure Judaism.  The neat, new uniforms - those of the SS more than any - were not just a product of the militarisation of German society (the militarisation itself was the binding of the volk to a single volk-destiny).  The uniforms were the NS equivalent of circumcision in a dispensation in which Destiny had replaced G-d, and licensed all things.  “Look at us,” they said, “we are the Jews now.”

The only two really interesting questions which arise in respect to NS are:

(i) To what extent is the casting down of the Jew and the raising up of the “Aryan” an answer to the wrong question?  Indeed, what is the question of our time unless it is: How do we secure the existence of our people and a white future for our children?  Is our cause destining power or life itself?  When does the pursuit of power cease to be the servant of life, and become a cause unto its own self?

(ii) Is the pursuit of power without confines the only way to create action in our people?


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Posted by Friedrich The Great on Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:34 | #

Friedrich The Great Documentary

Perhaps a little bit too favorable an estimation of Friedrich the Great in this documentary.

The militarism of Prussian culture is questionable.

Its policies toward its neighboring nations questionable as well.

The baroque of San Souci is hideous, though he also manifested some good taste in music and art as well.

Undoubtedly he had many good ideas of statecraft - the anti-Machiavelli would be a step in the right direction.

Though his, the Prussian brand of military culture, ethnocentrism, elitism, disdain for things eastward and sights to expand in that direction at the expense of others obviously influenced Hitler to the very end - in the end to everybody’s detriment.

It is understandable that the Allies would diagnose it as a source of inter-European wars and seek to proscribe it as such.

San Souci..

Proof that there was a holocaust: countless poodles murdered


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Posted by NPR on Mein Kampf's re-pubication on Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:56 | #

re-publication of Mein Kampf from NPR’s (Jewish) perspective:

http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2016/01/20160114_fa_01.mp3



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