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National feeling and the nation state in Europe Politics is … the shaping of the future through power over the present. That’s it, really. But already in that simply formulation there is an inherent contradiction. If we survive into the future, it will necessarily contain us. But who is shaping it? In whose interests? And exactly what future are they shaping? The realisation that the “we” in this are the people, our own people, and that not only is the hand on the lever of power not ours, but our allotted future is not one we would ever wish upon ourselves … that realisation is the wellspring of all nationalist dissidence in the modern age. It’s the reason why political nationalism throughout Europe today is centred on a principled defence against mass immigration. But obviously, the impulse itself predates all political “isms” by tens of thousands of years, predates the nation state, predates the sovereign king. In its evolutionary essence it is as pure an affirmation of life as was ever made. It is also an affirmation of the sacred tie between the people and the land. But we are not talking about mere patriotism here. Patriotic pride is fully acceptable to the enemies of Europe’s people. There is not enough such pride in the whole world to fill the heart of one man or woman who rediscovers the love of and sense of belonging to his or her own people. To borrow from a rather well-known if propagandistic Hollywood call to arms:- An emotion as drenching and unifying as this is profoundly destructive of other foundations for political action. It cuts the ground away completely from the classical Marxist analysis of social class. What use is division to us? What use exploitation and what use envy? Likewise, the cultural analysis of “gender” and sexual orientation are rendered ridiculous beside it, just signs of a Weimaresque moral weakness and debasement. The internationalists and elitists who serve their own dreams and ambitions by proclaiming that “the 19th century nation state has had its day” are simply struck dumb, completely dumb, by a resurgent tide of national feeling. It is the final word. But as we see all around us every day, it isn’t a word spoken too often in our long summers of material ease and contentment. The sense of nation is never uppermost in men’s minds until it needs to be. Something to kick against is necessary, something so manifestly harmful and unjust that the simplest of men and the most exalted might, in a moment of sudden clear-sightedness, rediscover their nobility of mind and power of action. The true product of national feeling like this is an iron resolve to confront the source of the injustice. There is no power on Earth - not the Roman Empire, not the British, not the Soviet - that could stand against it indefinitely. Its engendering at its most unquenchable and vigorous is the inevitable goal of every European nationalist. But then we come to the age-old problem of competition between European neighbours … of war, land grabs, every kind of disaster. For the last fifty-five years we Europeans have been pretending to ourselves that national feeling - our greatest collective truth - is the enemy of peace and civilisation. Should we ever again give it voice, we are told, it will drag us down into the jingoistic mire of 1914-18 and the veritable lime pit of 1939-45. It is a strange kind of imprisonment of the European spirit. As a result we find ourselves vassals of an empire again, this time a vast and legalistic plutocracy of failed, mostly socialist politicians. It is meant to be the post-nation future in which we will never find it necessary or even possible to express our national feeling. Well, I reject the central tenet of sacrificing nation, or any part of nation, for peace. It is defeatist and guilt-ridden to internalise the idea that Europe will tear itself apart again through the destructiveness and war-will of its own sovereign peoples. That is manifestly untrue. The parent of war in Europe is the multi-ethnic state, which breeds injustice and resentment. When people find themselves in the wrong country, that is the start of the dance. Far from the solution being for all Europe’s nations to be turned into post-nations, which merely multiplies the wrong, the people should be freed to unite with their own kinfolk, thereby resolving multi-ethnicism forever and adding immeasurably to the contentment and stability of the continent. That’s as far as my idealism can run, and it brings me into slight conflict with the many supporters of pan-Europeanism in the nationalist world. Norman Lowell’s Imperium is widely quoted as a basis for a stable nationalist future for Europe. It is not. Any drawing away of sovereign power from the nation state will be balanced by dissatisfactions within it, and a nett loss in stability. Our people understand and love nation. They must - it is bred into us all. Let us acknowledge the fact and base our ideas upon it. Comments:2
Posted by skeptical on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:25 | # Here are some interesting videos about the results of the very same Asch conformity experiments that I was commenting about earlier. Asch Conformity Experiments: Video 1 Asch Conformity Experiments: Video 2 “...subjects of these studies attributed their performance to their own misjudgment and ‘poor eyesight’.” I wonder what we’ll tell ourselves after the habit of racial egalitarianism has been kicked. 4
Posted by skeptical on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:37 | # Sorry, but I just have to post one more link. Asch Conformity Experiments: Video 3 (contemporary) It is interesting how the subjects initially resist the pressures of group conformity but eventually give in. Oh yes, did I mention that the full name of the professor who invented this experiment was Solomon Asch. 5
Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:53 | # Christopher Meyer: “Globalisation and interdependence were supposed to have swept aside these ancient feuds and rivalries. Theories of the postmodern state now abound. Tony Blair preached how national interest would be trumped by the spread of “global values”. This is self-evident rubbish.” “It is useless to say that nationalism and ethnic tribalism have no place in the international relations of the 21st century. If anything the spread of Western-style democracy has amplified their appeal and resonance.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4656255.ece 6
Posted by Bill on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:08 | # I feel upbeat this morning, it looks as though Global Capitalism is the first postmodern domino about to fall, or am I being too optimistic? Would it be outlandish of me to suggest the next domino to topple will be multiculturalism? I’m getting vibes that Gulliver is stirring from his slumber. 7
Posted by Othelma_Jr on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:08 | # Hey Bill, here is an article that may lift your spirits more: Surprise, Surprise:The Subprime Mortgage Crisis And The Government War On “Redlining” It turns out the whole ‘problem’ has been caused by giving mortgages to minorities!! WNs have an iron-clad case to make that integrating minorities into an advanced economy is not possible and there are now 700 Billion reasons to discriminate based on Race!!! LOL!!!!!! 8
Posted by snax on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:49 | # It might be interesting to speculate on how much the very small minority and ‘illegal’ mortgage contribution to a much bigger problem is intended to create further problems: racism (in multiple directions), social division, anti-AA calls, pro-amnesty calls, increased “White flight”, etc. 9
Posted by snax on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:55 | # Sorry to have continued the slight derailment there GW. Like you I’m an English nationalist - if Mr Lowell’s program is antithetical to that ideal, then I’m against it, but I’m not sure it is. 10
Posted by Bauhaus on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:26 | # Increased “white flight”? If anything, I think this crisis will cause more “mud flow,” so to speak. I know of about a dozen Asian, Arab, and Hispanic individuals who are making plans to leave the US, which is a very good sign. Hopefully economic conditions will embolden White Americans to be more outspoken about the racism, diversity, and Race Replacement policies directed at them. Worse is better. 11
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:14 | # snax, Norman is just about universally recognised in nationalist circles as a “good guy”, and I hugely admire his pluck. MR offers him frequent support, and tempers it with very little criticism. Even so, as an Englishman I have absolutely no need or desire to legitimate a supra-national European body - even one charged only with the responsibility for maintaining peaceful and productive relations between the states. After all, we accept that there is a case based in economics and sovereignty for Britain staying out of the Euro/ECB, despite its equally well-meaning goal. There is, of course, extremely good reason to suppose that currency union is a formality along the road to full economic union - who, really, thinks otherwise? As I mentioned on another thread, it is in the nature of things that political slopes are slippery, or will invariably become so due to the moral frailties of the political type. Defence, of course, is the first duty of government - standing above and before economic management. It is fundamental, therefore, that England regains and jealously retains full control over its capacities in that regard. A strong right arm and the occasional judicious alliance is enough. 12
Posted by Bill on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:21 | # Crystal ball Gazing. Disclaimer. I ‘m not sure if this off topic or not. I’m reading this present crisis of capitalism is about to make 1929 look like a walk in the park, personally I do not think the UK will recover. (but hey! what the hell do I know?) I also think that the effects of this economic crisis will linger on into the territory of Peak oil, thus presenting further obstacle to recovery, which begs the question how is this mess going to affect what we’re discussing here? For starters, by 2010 at the latest, British politics will be in crisis as there is no-one in sight capable of influencing events, thus highlighting the presence of an alternative to the failed consensus - enter into the equation British nationalism. This scenario may be replicated throughout Europe, but I’m sorry to say I cannot say the same for America, for over there, things are not the same. My crystal ball is now becoming cloudy, can anyone else see anything similar to this? 13
Posted by skeptical on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:51 | # Bill,
Things are certainly not the same over here, I am sure that we are too far gone for there to be any kind of resurgent nationalist movement. Our future is now, so to speak. However, my crystal ball has America splintering off into separate states sometime before 2040. I consider this prediction to be rather safe since, given the way things are going, we could conceivably dissolve our union around 2020. God only knows what kind of world Western man will inhabit once the dust settles. 14
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:00 | # The Jews are now, for the first time since their 1965 stab to the back of the United States, pretending to give an academic explanation of why they’re race-replacing us by force. Professor Salter responds, and JWH also comments. It’s good reading. I just want to make sure everyone understands that “Rubin” is a Jewish name. (Some Europeans, especially among non-English-speakers, might not understand that part.) This is one of those times I have to keep myself calm while typing, such is the intensity of the righteous indignation gripping me as I talk about these excerpts from this filthy Euro-race-hating, genocidal Jew’s book. But I can’t suppress a lump that’s formed in my throat or the accompanying feeling of hatred, the most solemn loathing. (Sorry, I’m human.) OK, go ahead and read: http://westbiop.blogspot.com/2008/09/salter-contra-rubin.html 15
Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:14 | # “The Jews are now, for the first time since their 1965 stab to the back of the United States…” - Fred Scrooby How much do wanna bet this “book” gets some play on C-SPAN? But when contrasted with Dr. Salter’s and JWH’s dismantling of Rubin’s rubbish it, maybe, can wake some people up. I’ve been blasting some threads at Takimag with said. Salter/EGI, Salter/EGI, Salter/EGI! That’s the silver (HaHa!) bullet we can kill this race-replacement monster with, at least one can hope. 16
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:27 | # Professor Zinn, who’s Jewish, comes up with, guess what? (Careful, this is one of those things you’ll never guess, especially when you know he’s Jewish — that’ll really throw you off.) If you said, “number eighteen million seven-hundred-and-ninety-six thousand four hundred and twenty-two in a century-and-a-half-long series of Jewish ethno-attacks on Euros,” you’d be ... wrong, I’m so sorry — the correct answer is “number eighteen million seven-hundred-and-ninety-six thousand four hundred and twenty-three.” But you won’t go away empty-handed, we have for you the runner-up prize, a CD which happens to be selling like hot cakes in the Central African Republic, Burkina Faso, Equatorial Guinea, and yes, a huge suprise, Port Moresby, always a very hard-to-please market: it’s Sarah Bernhardt Duz the Dallas Women’s Softball Team with very rare, nearly impossible to find shots of Hillary performing cunnilinctus on Janet Reno, so this is a real collector’s item. But thank you for participating, and let’s take a look at the latest thing Prof. Zinn has come up with — apparently a huge surprise knowing he’s Jewish, as no one would’ve expected this in a million years from a Jewish college teacher: we can see Prof. Zinn is really thinking outside the box for a Jew: Stereotype #1: Whites are greedy; non-whites are communal and generous. Stereotype #2: Whites are hierarchical and authoritarian; non-whites are egalitarian and libertarian. Stereotype #3: Whites are violent; non-whites are peaceful. Stereotype #4: Non-whites live in harmony with the natural world; whites exploit and destroy it. Stereotype #5: The white establishment is unwaveringly racist and has never behaved generously towards non-whites. Stereotype #6: Injustice flows in one direction only — from whites to non-whites. Stereotype #7: All of non-whites’ problems are due to whites. Stereotype #8: Western culture has not resulted in any positive achievement. The Exception of World War II Japan 17
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:31 | # So Rubin is another in the long, long line of Jews who will intellectualise any anti-European argument. I commend Dr Salter for his measured, patient approach. Frankly, Rubin is lying to the world, or to himself and the world, and he should be treated with outrage and contempt as an apologist for European genocide. The inevitable question arises as to whether Jews can ever live alongside another people, on equal terms, without developing these aggressive behaviours. There is scant evidence that they can, and mountainous evidence to the contrary. 18
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:43 | # Oops, make that Sandra Bernhard (not Sarah Bernhardt), sorry! Sandra, if you read this, I’m Sorry! I know that was a big CD of yours, probably your biggest — we don’t want people asking for the wrong one in stores, especially in Port Moresby your biggest market! 19
Posted by silver on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:50 | #
Buddy, with silver bullets like silver on your team, there’s always hope. 20
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:53 | #
They cannot, in my opinion, which is why they must live apart from Euros, which of course they no more want than a tapeworm wants to live apart from your intestine: they’ve evolved as a parasite. But if Jews and Euros aren’t separated the Jews will forever try to kill the Euro hosts. The Jews have two countries now, Israel and Birobidzhan. If those together aren’t enough, give them land for a third. Give them the southern half of California — thanks to them it’s full of Mexicans now anyway; we don’t want it. Let them have it. But they all must move there and never come back till they learn how to behave among their hosts (which will be never, of course — but don’t tell them that or they’ll never agree to leave! Tell them it’ll be temporary, then once they’re out, shut the door quickly and lock it! Don’t let them back in unless you love genocide because that’s what you’ll get!). 21
Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:49 | # Here is good old Pauly boy’s areas of interest: anti-white genocidalist centerfold of the month. Areas of Interest Sounds like standard stock neoconservatism to me. Note the “several op-eds in the Wall Street Journal and other newspapers.” Here is an article he wrote in reply to Dr. Salter’s review of his book “How to Most Efficiently Fuckup Whitey’s EGI”.
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Posted by Sodium Chloride on Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:28 | # Salter’s response summarized 23
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:12 | # From Salter’s reply to Rubin’s rejoinder
“An appropriate term”? All right, let’s cut right to the chase with this Rubin person: how about just plain “Jewish nationalist”? I don’t see where that leaves anything out, frankly. It covers the whole shooting match. 24
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:35 | # The guy’s picture (CC’s link three comments above) makes my blood run cold, frankly. Frightening. This guy is the worst kind of totalitarian. He could’ve headed up the Holodomor and gone home every night and slept like a baby (which is exactly what Russian Jews like him did). Same exact type of Jew as Abe Foxman. These people are ruthless. Allowing their kind to get control over Euro-race peoples is certain genocide. 25
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:22 | # Clearly the guy posting those interracial pix is Jewish. If anyone skillful at photoshopping could insert a realistic-looking Star of David around that white girl’s neck, that’d be great. See, the Jews have a good thing going with interracial representations of a sexual or romantic nature, because the white person in them gets the default assumption of being Euro. So Jews can always use such pix as ethnic weapons against Euros, weapons threatening racial annihilation, without running the risk Jews will be affected, since no one assumes the whites in them are Jews. It makes for a very handy anti-Euro weapon for Jews who not only want Euros eradicated, but want to rub their impending eradication in their faces. Photoshopping Jewish identification markers on the whites in such pictures would infuriate Jews. They can dish it out, as the saying goes, but they can’t take it. 26
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:25 | # The behavior of this obvious Jew who’s posting this stuff also highlights the total genetic absence in Jews of an ability to appreciate the principle of freedom of expression. Their impulse is always to suppress expression they dislike. Racially, Jews are Asiatic totalitarians, genetically incapable of understanding the European principle of freedom of speech: they haven’t got the genes for it. 27
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:29 | # Jews only engage in civilized debate when they can’t crush. The minute they acquire the power to crush, all debate ends and the most brutal, ruthless suppression begins. 28
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:53 | # Happy Michaelmas, everyone! (”Technically, [it’s] the Feast of Michael and All Angels.”) (NB: this Michaelmas greeting does NOT go out to the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury — they can both DROP DEAD.) (OK, OK, Happy Rosh Hashanah too ... but only for guys like Chaim ben Pesach and David ben Moshe. Oh yeah, and Rabbi Meyer Schiller. There, that covers it I think ... Three good guys!) (Oh wait a minute, wait a minute — I almost forgot Ilana Mercer, definitely one of the good guys! Happy Rosh Hashanah, Ilana!) 29
Posted by Othelma_Jr on Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:10 | #
Adolf Hitler (pbuh) referred to this as the ‘blood jew’. With the economy crumbling, one may see a mad dash to seek Control before there is a Populist Reaction and this is where one needs to be very careful of Chertoff (name actually means devil in Russian!) 30
Posted by j on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 08:53 | # This Speech by Geert Wilders in New York , 25 september 2008, may make you think. Worth reading. Thanks. j I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego All throughout Europe American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose 31
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:07 | # Geert Wilders said lots of good things in that speech. This wasn’t one of them:
Wrong, Geert. They’d still be “threatening,” of course, the “threat” being race-change of the host country. In fact it’s better if they don’t assimilate, for exactly that reason: less likely to change the host race. Our friend J doesn’t see it that way of course because, being Jewish, he’s allergic to race, preferring to see things solely in terms of “culture.” (I don’t know what Geert Wilders’ excuse is.) But I agree with J, it was on the whole an excellent speech which everyone should read. (I would’ve omitted all the “Nazi” references. Also, it’s meaningless to refer to the Moslems as “fascists.”) 32
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:20 | # I consider Geert Wilders a great man, by the way, his apparent blindness on race notwithstanding. He towers above all other politicians in his country in honesty, courage, integrity, and moral fiber. His personal courage is so great, in fact, it borders on recklessness. That film he made, for example, exposed him to extreme personal danger. After what happened to Theo van Gogh, one wonders how wise that was. (I place Frederick Toben, Ernst Zündel, Gerd Honsik, Germar Rudolf, Horst Mahler, Robert Faurisson, and all others who are in their situation whether real or threatened, in the same class of greatness as Wilders.) 33
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:14 | # If it makes sense to call Moslems “fascists” it makes sense to call Jews “fascists.” Look how the Jews run Brandeis. Look how they run the National Socialist apartheid state of Israel for crying out loud, a country Wilders strongly supports. Calling everything under the sun “fascist,” a practice which originated with Jewish communists in the 1930s, should have gone out with Godwin’s Law. Doing it only weakens an otherwise strong argument, and brings no advantage. It really ought to be stopped. It’s become completely meaningless and likely has been completely meaningless since something like the end of WW II. 34
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:02 | #
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:06 | #
That was unclear. Try this: It was already 90% meaningless prior to the end of WW II and has been 100% meaningless since. There, that’s much better. 36
Posted by silver on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:52 | # Ilana Mercer’s one of the good guys. Chaim ben Pesach. Mayer Schiller. But Jews, according to you, musn’t be allowed to live with “Euros.” So how are they good guys? Do they say “we must not be allowed to live with Europeans”?
Is there anybody here not familiar with vdare or amren that you have to keep posting excerpts and recommending they read this or read that? 37
Posted by sebastian on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:41 | # No offence but you can’t be seriously suggesting that Humphrey Bogart was a serious social commentator 38
Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:53 | # “Is there anybody here not familiar with vdare or amren that you have to keep posting excerpts and recommending they read this or read that?” - silver Has the report come back from the lab yet, silver? 39
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:11 | # Geert Wilders’ speech wasn’t published in Vdare.com or Amren, Silver. Pay attention. (Or at any rate, those weren’t where I saw it. I saw it linked at VFR, number one, and number two, I was replying above to J’s posting of the speech in this thread.) (Got those prescriptions filled yet? What in the world are you waiting for???) Post a comment:
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Posted by The Monitor on Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:13 | #
There is not enough such pride in the whole world to fill the heart of one man or woman who rediscovers the love of and sense of belonging to his or her own people.
“His or her” own people?