Not much ado about anything

Posted by Guessedworker on Thursday, 24 June 2010 00:27.

I paid a return visit to the BNP section of British Democracy Forum today. This section, with the Griffin-hating Nationalists Online and its antithesis, the nauseatingly loyal Home of the Green Arrow, is the mainstay of British Nationalist chatter on the net.

What I found on my visit to BDF today was a thread titled Definition of britishness? - your aims & goals which had been begun on 1st May by a lady named Valentina (whoops, Katerina). She turns out to be an inquisitive Jew, which hardly surprised given that she served up a picture of British Nationalism as Nazism with, of course, a heavy helping of Holosauce on the side. On page 8 of the thread I offered a novel corrective (using the name of a character from a treasured British film comedy of my childhood).

I wish I could say that the result was a passionate and dangerous, liberating exploration of the issue of ownership of discourse. But no matter how I spelt it out, neither British nor Jewish Nationalist would take up the challenge. All that happened, basically, was that the owner of BDF advised me through the in-house mail system:

You have received an infraction at British Democracy Forum.

Reason: Signature Rule Violation

The offence was “dragging threads off topic with your tedious Jew bashing.”

I wonder, sometimes, whether even nationalists (or nominal nationalists, at any rate) are too insensate to their own captivity to recognise the distant, weak light of freedom.

Tags: That Question Again

Comments:

Posted by Armor on Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:05 | #

“the mainstay of British Nationalist chatter on the net”

It’s not enough. More chatter is needed !

On the DemocracyForum, HP asked :

On the Auschwitz question I forgot to ask Katerina: How many of the million Jews were gassed or, indeed, died by other violent means, and how many died of disease or malnutrition

I’d like to ask the same question to the French authorities. They have a law preventing denial under heavy penalty, but they won’t say denial of what. They won’t give figures. They won’t say what can or can’t be said.

Posted by OR on Thu, 24 Jun 2010 05:50 | #

“HP” made some fine posts on that thread !

So good that I copied them all to use in discourse war elsewhere. Hope “HP” won’t mind the use of his excellent points w/o attribution ... for the cause.

Posted by Angry Beard on Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:19 | #

Never Mind the Griffin - Here’s the National Debt.

Really the trivial little cockfight about whether Griffin will go or not (he’s indicated he will), and when is just a silly little side-show.
Yes, I realise some here have a fetish for slagging off Griffin (‘not quite one of us’, you see), but whether Griffin stays or goes pales to insignificance compare to yesterday’s Osborne bomb-shell - an appalling mistake of a budget that WILL ensure that Britain is mired in a hopeless slump that will make the 1930s look like a tea-party.
Yes, I here you cry ‘But race replacement is more important!’, granted, but I doubt any other stuffed shirt sitting on the throne will do better.

Posted by Bill on Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:54 | #

...yesterday’s Osborne bomb-shell - an appalling mistake of a budgetThe Budget.

Problem - Reaction - Solution.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:23 | #

You are welcome, OR.

Posted by nemesis on Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:36 | #

Nice one, GW.

Our country and our psyche has been colonised. To restore our nation we must reclaim our language and use a lexicon of our choosing.

Posted by Anonymous on Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:27 | #

Wouldn’t it be great if America had a real nationalist movement like in the UK? Outside of the liberal/neocon mainstream all we really have is pathetic “paleocons.” A handful of obscure nationalist blogs and internet sites doesn’t constitue a movement.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 25 Jun 2010 01:00 | #

“Wouldn’t it be great if America had a real nationalist movement” (—Anonymous)

OccidentalDissent.com is exploding with multifaceted new and exciting ideas for getting a real-time, practical movement up and running. Guys like Kievsky, Matt Parrott, Hunter Wallace, and the others over there are very dynamic, determined, boots-on-the-ground men.

In life you play the hand you’re dealt. You don’t whine over it, you play it. You’re right, we in America were dealt a lousy hand in ways, when you compare our situation to Europe’s. But guys like the ones Hunter Wallace has assembled over there are playing that lousy hand not whining about it, and coming up with refinements of their ideas for practical engagement all the time.

If you’re first and foremost a boots-on-the-ground type of guy, perhaps you need to hang out over there more.

Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:42 | #

Good advice Fred Scrooby. But why is it that blood-and-soil nationalism is so much more developed in Europe anyway? I just don’t understand why so many Americans on the far right are attracted to deracinated conservatism. As Michael O’Meara once said, paleocons ”prattle on, in the legalistic style distinct to them, about a Constitution lost in 1861, seemingly oblivious to what’s happening to the nation’s genetic heritage.”

http://www.toqonline.com/2009/09/why-we-write-3/

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 25 Jun 2010 04:49 | #

“why is it that blood-and-soil nationalism is so much more developed in Europe anyway?” (—Anonymous)

I’d say part of the reason is we have thirteen million Jews, they don’t. (No, forget the 5½ million figure, that that is crap is obvious on a moment’s reflection.) That’s the reason the Jewish revolt known as the Russian Revolution happened in the Russian Empire instead of the German or Austrian Empires or in France: no one else at that time had five to six million Jews. Russia did, and voilà, the Jews revolted. They revolted here in the ‘60s too, a Jewish revolt commonly known as, well, “the ‘60s.” Here we used to have our own American version of blood-and-soil nationalism. The Jews succeeded in placing a lockdown on it, holding a pillow over its face and smothering it, driving it out of existence in a way there aren’t nearly enough Jewish boots-on-the-ground over there in Europe to accomplish. Of course in some places over there, there are good-sized Jewish populations that are making a determined effort along the same lines (a determined effort to stamp out blood-and-soil nationalism),and then too, our Jews over here manage to push things over there toward genocide of whites, via their heavy representation in U.S. federal government agencies that deal with other countries, their representation in big U.S.-based foundations and other NGOs of every stripe, and their central role in creating the pop culture that heavily influences Europe, especially its youth and clueless women, habituating them to the new and wholly unnatural Jewish-promoted notion of the ascendancy of non-whites over Euro-race people. But Europe being bombarded with and coerced by it from abroad (from our Jewish population over here) is a far cry from having its own homegrown population of Hebrews thirteen-million-strong right there infiltrating anything that moves as we have here. That’s a huge difference and why, I suspect, we’re going down the tubes faster.

Of course there are other reasons as well. One of the others is all the peasants came over here to populate this country. Peasants, good salt-of-the-earth folk though they be, aren’t bred to sort out some of life’s finer distinctions in their minds, so are more vulnerable to control by the unscrupulous. And there are still other reasons of course.

Posted by Bill on Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:19 | #

GW.

I’ve been following you honing your duelling skills over at Democracy Forum.

Would you please ask your sparring duellists, (sarasara and Lily The Pink) directly and in plain English, if they are in favour (or otherwise) of the survival of the English (European) white people?

Would you please ask them. What do they think the effects of continued mass immigration (from both the EU and third world) will be on the English nation and its people?

By design or unintended consequences, the result of continued mass immigration into Britain will inevitably have the same consequences. The English are heading for the cliff-tops.

Exactly what is racist in expressing a desire for you and your own to survive in peace?

Do they support the survival of the Red Squirrel, the Water Vole, and the many other endangered species of this planet? Or are they indifferent to the notion that any specie, race or culture, religion has no natural right to fight for survival?

Birds of a feather flock together. What is wrong with that?

On man’s meat is another man’s poison. Why do they deny whites the human right of choice? Do we offend the sugar bowl if we express a preference to drink our coffee without?

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. Our forefathers knew about such things, it was called simple common sense.

Our present society has plunged headlong into a depraved satanic pit, values that have endured for millennia have been turned upside down, truth no longer exists, choice is hateful, preference is hateful, freedom of association is hateful, freedom of speech is hateful, our natural rights have been stripped from us, our natural freedoms have been supplanted by a bizarre other freedom - you can do as you like providing the liberal agrees.

In other words our freedom is that of the song bird in its gilded cage.

We have become white rats in a gigantic laboratory Liberal experiment - and we all know what happens
to the host rats when invaded by the more aggressive.

Is preference for one’s own not natural? Is your own not more precious to you than some anonymous other on the other side of the world?

Imagine the last place in the lifeboat on the Titanic. Room for one more!

What would you think if one morning you came down to breakfast and found a bunch of strangers sitting around your table tucking into the contents of your fridge? Tolerance indeed!

When my fingers first hovered over the keyboard to commence this post, it was not my intention to rant on - oh well.

To enter such a contest of debate with devotees of all this nonsense is definitely over and above the call of duty, but you seem a glutton for punishment GW. They will never surrender.

Nevertheless, we are all enthralled with the surgical precision with which you pick them off, one by one, like a snooker champion clearing the table.

I note the field on this thread has narrowed down to just yourselves, have the the others retired to pastures new, or are they entranced, watching and learning? I hope they are.

Posted by Armor on Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:15 | #

“That’s the reason the Jewish revolt known as the Russian Revolution happened in the Russian Empire instead of the German or Austrian Empires or in France: no one else at that time had five to six million Jews.” (—Fred Scrooby)

Karl Marx thought the revolution would occur in industrialized countries with lots of workers. Instead, it occurred in a mostly agricultural country that hadn’t reached the “capitalist stage of development” and didn’t have a “proletarian majority”. How come? What a great mystery!

Karl’s stages of development :
1. agrarian stage
2. feudal stage
3. industrial stage
4. capitalist stage
—- workers’ revolution—-
5. socialist stage

Another model :
1. 0% Jews in the towns and cities
2. 1% Jews
3. 5% Jews
4. 10% Jews
—> Revolution !

Posted by sk on Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:49 | #

When GW is called names, why doesn’t he just call them GENOCIDAL anti-white racists? It’s okay to call whites names, and if they should be jews, just don’t mention it.

Posted by Wandrin on Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:56 | #

“HP” made some fine posts on that thread !

ditto

When GW is called names, why doesn’t he just call them GENOCIDAL anti-white racists? It’s okay to call whites names, and if they should be jews, just don’t mention it.

GW has his own style. Shouting at them and calling them “genocidal anti-white racists” is good for people like me who like things simple and easy to remember

Posted by Wandrin on Fri, 25 Jun 2010 20:56 | #

Wouldn’t it be great if America had a real nationalist movement like in the UK?

ditto what Fred said plus http://american3p.org/

But why is it that blood-and-soil nationalism is so much more developed in Europe anyway?

I think it’s because America has a lot of hyphenated white tribes rather than one single tribe.

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:45 | #

Bill,

I raised your two main questions with our friends on BDF. They are not normally slow in coming forward, so I expect some sort of answer.

sk,

It’s no problem when people stop thinking and start emoting. The game is won.

Posted by Bill on Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:39 | #

GW June 25, 2010, 08:45 PM

Bill,

I raised your two main questions with our friends on BDF. They are not normally slow in coming forward, so I expect some sort of answer

Thanks for that GW.

He asked: (Q) “Are you in favour of the survival of the English (or European) people?”

(also)

Q “What do you think the effects of continued mass immigration (from both the EU and third world) will be on the English nation and its people?”

Before answering those two questions, I want to add the larger perspective that the effects of Peak Oil are probably going to render questions of nationality and continuity as insignificant. The future of the human race is at stake here so I am more in Mr Renner’s league who, unfortunately, has taken the left-hand path.

Q ‘....For example, if England prospered and everybody was very proud of that and of themselves, but they just didn’t happen to be of English descent, would you be relaxed with that?’
A Yes, I can’t see a problem there.

Q “What do you think the effects of continued mass immigration (from both the EU and third world) will be on the English nation and its people?”
A The genetic makeup of these Isles will be altered, obviously. A speeded up version of what is already happening globally. This does not have to go badly, but it might.

I note that LilyThePink (LTP) did a head fake around my question (1) and opted to reply to one of your nuances.

Before answering those two questions, I want to add the larger perspective that the effects of Peak Oil are probably going to render questions of nationality and continuity as insignificant. The future of the human race is at stake here so I am ....

I must have missed where PO came into the discussion here but for me PO has always been hovering around, it is only the time scale that is the known unknown. BTW, I think PO will have the opposite effect to what LTP suggests. Nation is family.

The genetic makeup of these Isles will be altered, obviously. A speeded up version of what is already happening globally. This does not have to go badly, but it might

If mass immigration continues unabated, English stock will become a minority in this country within a generation, certainly with 50 years. England ceases to be England. Already, England is a postcode on the rump of Europe.

Why is the process of changing Britain speeding up? Hmm? Your right GW, we want our country back.

Postmodernism has declared debate superfluous, an unnecessary encumbrance in the affairs of man. With the abolishing of reality life is what you think it is. There is no doubting where the origins of postmodern thinking lie.

The future of the human race is at stake here so I am…

Peak Oil or no Peak oil, our civilisation is soon destined to be no more. Liberalism unchecked will lead the world to nuclear war - TEOTWAWKI.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:18 | #

”OccidentalDissent.com is exploding with multifaceted new and exciting ideas for getting a real-time, practical movement up and running. Guys like Kievsky, Matt Parrott, Hunter Wallace, and the others over there are very dynamic, determined, boots-on-the-ground men […] coming up with refinements of their ideas for practical engagement all the time.” (—my comment above)

Andrew Yeoman, by the way, is another they have over there with primarily a boots-on-the-ground orientation. Here’s a typical example of the kind of thing they’re up to, this one from Matt Parrott:

We Need to Make Every Dollar Count

Gregory Hood recently asked the hypothetical question, “What Would You Do With $55,000?” […M]oney is notoriously difficult to come by for even the most vital advocacy work. Many anti-Semites claim that Jews are stingy, but when it comes to forking over real money for ethnic advocacy, things are a bit upside-down.

Now, I understand that there are many good reasons why we have trouble raising money, and I’m not begging for a handout. But what I am saying is that $55,000 is an unlikely windfall. I would be lucky to raise 1% of that amount. In fact, I didn’t raise 1% of that amount. To bring us up to $550, I had to spend quite a bit of my own money. My wife might read this blog, so I won’t say how much.

Here’s what I’m trying to do with $550…

Summary

The cardinal objective is to establish visibility and credibility with our target audience of working- and middle-class conservative Hoosiers as their foremost advocates. [Scroob note: “Hoosiers” are Indiana folk the way “Scousers” are Liverpool folk and “Geordies” are Newcastle folk. Matt Parrott lives in Indiana so he’s talking here about his folk.] To accomplish this, we will need to set and then achieve immediate and tangible goals for them. We will do this by compelling local employers to implement the e-Verify program in their hiring processes using a database to target employers who fail to use the program, and free classifieds to target employers who are actively hiring. [Scroob note: e-Verify is a rapid computerized means of telling if someone you’re about to hire is an illegal alien or not. The race-replacement industry looks on e-Verify roughly the same way Count Dracula looks on holy water, give or take.] If they don’t comply, we protest.

This basic process will be enhanced with a mature constituent relationship management framework to achieve several secondary objectives, including directing Hoosiers to lobby their state legislature to pass an Arizona-inspired illegal immigration enforcement law. Membership dues and donations will be solicited. Mailing lists will be populated. Self-published books will be sold.

Checklist

1. Contact local employers who do not use e-Verify, initially attempting to persuade them to use it with listing of advantages. Maintain list of ones who react negatively or refuse to communicate.

2. Threaten protest, give the target “one last chance to reconsider.”

3. Secure protest time and place with sheriff’s dept.

4. Mail out protest invitations to chapter and petition mailing list.

5. Advertise on HoosierNation.us blog, e-newsletter, Facebook group, Craigslist, Stormfront, local classifieds.

6. Stage protest.

7. Upload protest video to YouTube. Blog it.

8. Do post-processing.

Action Pack

We have a binder filled with forms and fliers for our events. It contains CofCC membership forms, anti-illegal immigration petitions, voter registration forms, and a brag-book presentation on the mission and methods of our advocacy group. We also sell copies of my book, Hoosier Nation, and pass out copies of the CofCC’s Citizen’s Informer newsletter. This action pack is critical for capitalizing on the presence of attendees.

Mobile Media

Since the mainstream media either ignores us or attacks us, it’s necessary for us to create our own media, to cover and publicize our own events. Thanks to plummeting prices for consumer electronics, quite a bit can be accomplished with relatively little up-front investment. The entire set-up, plus a lovely assistant, all fit in my 1997 Buick LeSabre ($800, sold separately).

It consists of the following:

[read more: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/06/26/what-would-i-do-with-550/ ]

Posted by Armor on Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:53 | #

When, on the democracy forum, Mr LilyThePink says outright that he doesn’t care about the end of the English race, I think it disqualifies him from further debate with normal people. If the end of the white race doesn’t matter, is there anything that matters? What’s the use of a LilyThePink? Is he really needed on the earth?

Most of the “leftists” who debate nationalists don’t really want to live in a country where Whites have become a minority. They ignore the consequences of their pro-immigration postures. They don’t see that immigration means race-replacement. They don’t realize that the Whites will become a small minority if there isn’t a rebellion. I think LilyThePink takes the pathology/stupidity to another level when he says he doesn’t object to the genocide of his own people. It makes anything else he says irrelevant.

Posted by alex zeka on Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:56 | #

Wait, there is a BNP section on British Democracy Forum? And there are actually BNP members who post on it? I mean, gods, what the hell do they think the point can be?

That place is establishment full stop. I mean, they even feel the need to note that immigration discussion has to be “non-racist”. Given the fact that they’ve got a speech code published right on the front page, I find the presence of a forum about political correctness quite amusing. They don’t have to go far for a case study.

It is just so frustrating when BNP members insist on acting like they’re a normal political party. Their leader gets put on trial for his policy pronouncements, every party constantly talks about how to combat their presence, the extension of a pro forma invitation to their leader to Buckingham Palace is “controversial” and they still think they can talk their way towards, I dunno, victory, or acceptance, or god knows what.

As I see it, there are two serious options, i.e. ones that can accomplish something. Either be totally crypto about your nationalism. Most anti-nationalist policies have enormous negative consequences, quite apart from race, so just talk about that. Or, alternatively, fight like what the English Defense League does.

The BNP, on the other hand, serves only as a bogeyman, and to draw attention from the disadvantages of pc racial policies, and onto itself.