Richard Warman, friend of the thoughtful nationalist

Posted by Guessedworker on Friday, 30 November 2007 01:08.

My thanks to Micheal R for this link, an article by the near-libertarian Jewish-Russian-American blogger Eugene Volokh.

Richard Warman, a lawyer who worked as an investigator for the Canadian Human Rights Commission, often filed complaints against “hate speech” sites — complaints that were generally upheld under Canadian speech restrictions. Fromm, a defender of various Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites, has been publicly condemning Warman for, among other things, being “an enemy of free speech.” Warman sued, claiming that these condemnations are defamatory.

Friday, the Ontario Superior Court held for Warman — chiefly on the grounds that because Warman’s claims were accepted by the legal system, they couldn’t accurately be called an attack on free speech. Thus, for instance:

  [25] The implication, as well as the clear of meaning of the words [“an enemy of free speech” and “escalated the war on free speech”], is that the plaintiff is doing something wrong. The comment “Well, see your tax dollars at work” also implies that Mr. Warman misused public funds for this “war on free speech”.

  [26] The plaintiff was using legal means to complain of speech that he alleged was “hate” speech.

  [27] The evidence was that Mr. Warman was successful in both the complaint and a libel action which he instituted.

  [28] Freedom of expression is not a right that has no boundaries. These parameters are outlined in various legislative directives and jurisprudence. I find Mr. Fromm has exceeded these. This posting is defamatory.

Likewise, apropos another statement (“Since then, a number of dissidents have been dragged before human rights tribunals, largely through the efforts of CHRC hatchetman Richard Warman”), the court responds:

  [32] While opposition to legislation is permitted, it is defamatory to say that Mr. Warman is largely responsible for “dragging” dissidents before the human rights tribunal, when in fact the “dissidents” were disseminating prohibited hate speech. The tribunal upheld the complaint. This posting is also defamatory.

Likewise, here’s another statement that the court treated as defamatory and legally punishable:

  [48] At the press conference after Mr. Fromm’s comments, he introduced three other people who spoke of their “problems with Richard Warman.” Mr. Fromm added, after one speaker:

      Thank you very much, Jason. So, for posting an opinion, the same sort of opinion that might have appeared in editorial pages in newspapers across this country, Jason and the Northern Alliance, his site has come under attack and people who are just ordinary Canadians find themselves in front of the courts for nothing more serious than expressing their opinion. This is being done with taxpayers’ money. I find that reprehensible.

  [49] In one posting Mr. Fromm describes Mr. Warman’s “campaign of intimidation” recitingvarious actions taken by Mr. Warman. He states that freedom of the Internet was the key issue.

  [50] Again Mr. Warman was referred to as acting like a one-man thought police agency.

  [51] The plaintiff is accused of using taxpayer money to “restrict freedom of speech” and of refusing “to allow those with differing opinions the right to express their views.”

  [52] The tone of all these allegations is derisive and holds the plaintiff up to ridicule and contempt. The words themselves and the inferences to be drawn are all defamatory.

Likewise, the court says, “[59] Mr. Warman is criticized for his anti-hate speech stance, and his professionalism and integrity are attacked. This would lead a reasonable reader to conclude that the plaintiff was an ideologue who wanted only to deny freedom of speech to those with whom he disagrees. [60 ]I find this posting defamatory.”

Volokh continues:-

It seems to me that Fromm was simply expressing opinions that the court disapproved of — that people who try to restrict “hate speech” are “enem[ies] of free speech,” that people who are punished for hate speech are “dissidents,” that people who for ideological reasons use the law to restrict speech they disagree with are ideologues who want only to deny freedom of speech to those with whom they disagree. Who is an “enemy of free speech” obviously turns on the speaker’s view of free speech, and the view that he expects his audience to share, or that he wants to persuade his audience to share. Who deserves to be labeled with the generally positive term “dissident” depends on what dissent the speaker believes to be legitimate and morally proper.

Yet the Canadian justice system not only allows the suppression of certain viewpoints, and excludes them from free speech restrictions. With this case, it also tries to deny critics the right to label the speech they support “free speech,” and the dissenters they like “dissidents.”

The court is insisting that Canadians’ speech not only follows the government-approved ideology on the topic of race, ethnicity, and religion (an ideology that I agree with, but that I don’t think should be legally coerced). It is also insisting that Canadians’ speech follows the government-approved ideology and terminology on the topic of free speech itself.

Some of the other statements come closer to factual falsehood, for instance when Fromm says Warman went after “tax-fighter Richard Kyburz”; a reader may infer that Warman went after Kyburz because of Kyburz’s stance on taxes, rather than because of Kyburz’s anti-Semitic speech. I’m not sure that even those, in context, should properly be seen as legally punishable. But the court’s decision is in any event much broader than these statements.

Well, as Leviathan approaches the demands made of dissident expression can only increase.  The only alternative to being silenced is learning to speak in ways that defeat Mr Warman’s best efforts.

In February of this year in another Canadian court in which Paul Fromm was present, this time as the defendant’s lawyer, a judgement was made against Terry Tremaine, (who had been accused of posting “hate” at Stormfront).  In his judgement Member Doucet noted, “Freedom to express one’s idea ceases to be freedom of expression or opinion when it is used to stand in the way of the promotion of equality.  Freedom of expression ceases to be a fundamental characteristic of democratic values when it becomes a vehicle for the promotion of hate.”

Clearly, the Fromm judgement goes a step further, laying down not just that government-approved ideology limits free expression, but that Canadians’ speech must follow that ideology.  This is a moral Year Zero.  One is entitled to wonder what the next turn of the screw will bring.

Tags: Free Speech



Comments:


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:05 | #

Reading this log entry one has to suppress in the upper chest a welling up of feelings of righteous indignation, a warm tightness there and a quickening of the breaths, as if the heart rises into the bottom of the throat and swells.  Extremely bad for our side and for everybody would be violence yet reading this entry, violence is what one starts to wish for until catching the grave mistake and banishing it with a “reality check.”  I’ll answer the moral leper Mr. Warman, who deeply disgraces the Jews his people, with a poem, to symbolize very simply that despite all their best efforts we shall refuse the planned extinction of our race at Jewish (or any other) hands:

Forefathers

by Edmund Blunden

Here they went with smock and crook,
    Toiled in the sun, lolled in the shade,
Here they mudded out the brook
    And here their hatchet cleared the glade:
Harvest supper woke their wit,
Huntsman’s moon their wooings lit.

From this church they led their brides,
    From this church themselves were led
Shoulder-high; on these waysides
    Sat to take their beer and bread.
Names are gone?what men they were
These their cottages declare.

Names are vanished, save the few
    In the old brown Bible scrawled;
These were men of pith and thew,
    Whom the city never called;
Scarce could read or hold a quill,
Built the barn, the forge, the mill.

On the green they watched their sons
    Playing till too dark to see,
As their fathers watched them once,
    As my father once watched me;
While the bat and beetle flew
On the warm air webbed with dew.

Unrecorded, unrenowned,
    Men from whom my ways begin,
Here I know you by your ground
    But I know you not within?
There is silence, there survives
Not a moment of your lives.

Like the bee that now is blown
    Honey-heavy on my hand,
From his toppling tansy-throne
    In the green tempestuous land
I’m in clover now, nor know
Who made honey long ago.

And I condemn Prof. Eugene Volokh’s comments for, in effect, “attacking with faint defense,” to paraphrase a well-known figure of speech.  He couldn’t find it within himself to mount a more robust, more indignantly-worded critique of this absolutely appalling miscarriage of justice and this filthy Mr. Warman’s legalistic depredations against Euros?  The luke-warmness of his analysis almost shows him to be on Warman’s side but embarrassed or something to say so, whence his offering of this feeblest-possible of dissents.

Evil is abroad and having its way with society, Prof. Volokh!  Respond accordingly!


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Posted by Friedrich Braun on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:15 | #

I hope Mr. Fromm appeals.

Warman is a homosexual who’s offended by what normal White people think of his lifestyle. This is a personal struggle for him.

The Jewish Asper family owns The Ottawa Citizen (as well as most Canadian media). The laudatory articles published by that rag about the crusading sodomite has something to do with that fact, I think. Of course, spewing hate against Muslims and Arabs, while worshipping Zionists and Israel, on a daily basis is just par for the course. That fact never bothered the sexual deviant too much.

Who funds sodomite Warman? I believe that he has spend around $30,000 on these trials. Probably a lot more now. Where does he take the money?

If you’re a White Nationalist you cannot get justice in Canada. If you hold Mr. Fromm’s views, you’re already a loser before entering a courtroom, so it’s just a waste of time. Mr. Fromm couldn’t win a case if the issue revolved around whether 2 + 2 = 4. In such an instance, a Canadian court would find a way of saying that 2+2 = something else than 4.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:53 | #

“The Jewish Asper family owns The Ottawa Citizen (as well as most Canadian media). The laudatory articles published by that rag about the crusading sodomite has something to do with that fact, I think.”  (—FB)

Jews laud homosexuals who push the homosexualist agenda (as opposed to discreet homos who live their lives privately without parading before society at large what society at large doesn’t want paraded before its face constantly) because that agenda overturns Euro society, a society Jews hate for the reason that it exludes them, they feel (the wise Jews realize it doesn’t exlude them if they come to a few simple, harmless accommodations with it and refrain from trying to destroy it, but few Jews are wise).  Diaspora Jewry feels toward Euro society what Hesbollah feels toward Israeli society:  hates it with a passion and wants it done away with.  The well-known Jewish attraction to universal societal poisons such as homosexualism, marxism, multiculti, open borders for Euros (closed ones for Israel), race-denial, women’s lib, Negroes, Puerto Ricans, race-replacement, Euro-Negro miscegenation, and so forth, isn’t a principled attraction of course but the attraction a fighter feels for a weapon wherewith to smite his enemies.  Jewish attraction toward these things is none other than Jewish nationalism.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:57 | #

“Who funds sodomite Warman? I believe that he has spent around $30,000 on these trials. Probably a lot more now. Where does he take the money?”  (—FB)

Excellent question.  Anyone know who funds him?


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Posted by Canada Firster on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:54 | #

Nobody knows except Warman and his paymaster(s), but appears to be organizations affiliated with Canadian Jewry. The man hasn’t had an official job for years, it seems.


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Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:56 | #

The censoring of 19 year old Jessica Beaumont, and her postings at Stormfront, is another Warman/CHRC victory. Part of her message, though possibly the least eggregious, in the eyes of the Commission, was the following;

CRITICAL FACTS THAT YOUR KIDS WILL NOT LEARN IN SCHOOL.

1. The White race made America what it is today.
2. American heritage is White heritage.
3. American law is based upon White concepts from White European thought.
4. The American all-White neighborhoods of the past were demonstrably safer, and freer of crime of all sorts than integrated neighborhoods of today.
5. The American all-White schools of the past were clearly superior to any integrated school of today.
6. All great societies of the past which were White as they rose to power, when they changed from being dominantly White, to a dominantly mixed race society, they fell permanently into decay. (e.g. Egypt, Greece, Rome, Spain, Portugal.)
7. Racial integration of our neighborhoods and our schools has forced them into decay, just like the racial integration of the societies of the great White nations of the past caused them to fall into decay. History, both ancient and recent American, has consistently taught the very same lesson. It is clear beyond any debate, that modifying the racial composition of America away from the dominantly White society that it was as it rose to power, towards a mixed, racially diverse society, will be catastrophic. It will plunge the great American nation into the same depths that the other great White nations of the past have fallen in.
8. Based upon the extensive history of the Black race it is clear that it is not capable of creating or maintaining an advanced society. It has never created one advanced society in Africa. In every case (such as Haiti) where it has been given a thriving society, it has killed it, driving it into the same primitive state that its people have always lived in, in their native Africa. (For any who is foolish enough to doubt history, we have the sad spectacle of South Africa playing out before us, which should erase all doubts.)
9. History has shown us that the Black race cannot create or maintain an advanced society on its own. Its members therefore, as a people, cannot well fit into an advanced society, as equals, living and working beside those who not only are capable of building one advanced society, but have built numerous such societies in all climates and in all types of land.
10. History has shown us that the Hispanic peoples are also deficient in creating advanced societies like the White race has repeatedly created. While they have sown ability that is superior to the Black race, by creating their own written language and some moderately advanced societies they have not been able to take the superior natural resources of the South American continent and do much with them.
11. Spain and Portugal sent soldiers to the lands south of the Rio Grande to conquer and take the wealth of the land. Instead of sending families to colonize, the Spanish men took native wives. The racial makeup of the lands south of the Rio Grande is composed of American Indian, Black, mixed-race and a small percentage of Whites thrown in. Their lands have never thrived like the nations to the north where Whites colonized and kept their race intact, seldom mixing their race with others.
12. By “celebrating diversity” we are bringing in the Hispanic and Asian peoples into White America and we will cause the North American continent to become like the South American continent. The great wealth and stable society of the White United States will be traded for the poverty and instability of the revolution torn countries south of our border.
13. Even if all races were exactly the same, if there were no differences whatsoever, the fact that Whites created the nation of the United States of America, means that we are completely within our honorable rights to restrict entrance into our country. We may honorably allow only White immigrants, or no immigrants at all.
14. The number of Whites, as a percentage of world population, is now down into the single digits and falling fast.
15. Nearly all of the White nations on earth are now accepting large numbers of Nonwhite immigrants. The only one of the three major races of earth, that is in real danger of falling into a minority status in its own racial home, is the White race. This could easily lead to extermination of the White race.
16. Those who support American diversity, Nonwhite immigration, miscegenation, integration, and/or Affirmative Action, are either: 1) ignorant of the above critical facts; or 2) blatant haters of the White race and seeking to end its existence on planet Earth.

[28] In Ms. Beaumont’s second message, posted the following day on the same sub-forum, she states that she “also likes this one” and then sets out the following text, together with a link to a page on the Internet where she presumably found it:

BILL OF RACIAL RIGHTS

1. White People have a right to exist as a distinct and separate people.
2. White people have the right to retain, and defend their own lands, free from immigration, or habitation by members of other races; which includes the right to live in all-White neighborhoods, and to send their children to all-White schools.
3. White people have the right to be proud of their history.
4. White people have the right to be proud of their own culture, and to reject entirely within their lands all non-White cultures.
5. White people have the right to educate their own children in any way they wish, free from government interference.
6. White people have the right to place their own interests above the interests of any other race or people.
7. White people have the right to reap the benefits of having a low birth rate.
8. White people have the right to require that all people within their borders speak the language of the White people who created the country.
9. White people have the right to prohibit all forms of miscegenation within their lands.
10. White people have the right to produce, and to consume, entertainment and advertising that is free from mention or depiction of members of other races.
If you are not willing to fight for your rights, you don’t have any!

http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/search/view_html.asp?doid=874&lg=_e&isruling=0#998662

Paul Fromm
Director
CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE EXPRESSION

Support Marc Lemire’s Constitutional Challenge to Overturn This Evil Law

Be part of our team and contribute what you can to defeat this horrible law and protect Freedom of Speech in Canada !

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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:39 | #

Fred,

Richard Warman denies that he is Jewish, though whether that denial is only of an attachment to Judaism I don’t know.  He doesn’t look particularly Jewish, and if he says he isn’t, then we should leave it at that.

His zeal and the objective nature of what he’s doing render him a tool of Jewish ethnic interests.  And, indeed, he works closely with B’nai Brith of Canada, and has received the Saul Hayes Human Rights Award from the Canadian Jewish Congress for “distinguished service to the cause of human rights”.

So the point is a bit academic, perhaps.

Friedrich,

In banging on about “sodomite Warman” you are providing an example of exactly why he prospers in his campaign.  It is self-indulgent and self-defeating to allow any degree of anger to speak for you.  His approach is strictly legalistic, and like it or not, everybody within his range of fire needs to take account of that, rein in the indiscipline and argue only from factual, moral, political and philosophical perspectives.

I am by no means convinced that Warman is a wholly bad thing for Canadian white nationalism.  The neo-Nazi, Adolf stuff and the noisy Judeo- and other minority phobias are weights around the neck of any movement that seeks to be taken seriously.

Warman lays down a challenge to white nationalism: Get serious!  Grow up!

It shouldn’t be impossible to respond accordingly even in the present Canadian legal dispensation.  If, of course, the thought-prescription - not just proscription - that is visibly emerging from the Fromm and Tremaine judgements proceeds to full fruition, that’s another matter.  It’s one step away from Stalinism, that step being government coercion to work only for “equality”.  Canadian society ceases to be pluralistic at that point, and becomes totalitarian.  The rebellious and the incorrect could quite expect to find themselves relocated to a new Gulag dotted in the terraine east of the Mackenzie River between the Great Bear and Great Slave Lakes.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:25 | #

Desmond, that organized Canadian Jewry got that girl censored for posting those comments gives me a visceral reaction almost as intense as the one I had on reading the log entry.  I’m saving those valuable words she posted, words so precious to us in this time of our mortal racial peril.  Thanks for showing us that.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:53 | #

GW, thank you for that correction.  Sorry for my mistake.  I’m certain I’ve read elsewhere that Mr. Warman was Jewish, but should’ve been on my guard since nowadays Jewishness is such a common misattribution by those Euros concerned about all these deadly attacks being launched non-stop against their society (attacks very largely Jewish-orchestrated in any event but not all the frontmen are Jewish of course; far from it, in part because the Jews see to that). 

I’ll amend my comment as follows: 

change this,

I’ll answer the moral leper Mr. Warman, who deeply disgraces the Jews his people, with a poem,”

to this:

“I’ll answer the moral leper Mr. Warman, who deeply disgraces the Jews his [instigators, orchestrators, and paymasters], with a poem”

Thanks again for giving me the chance to correct my original mistaken post.  I hate posting mistaken information — leads people astray.


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Posted by VLC on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:57 | #

Scrooby:
“...Mr. Warman, who deeply disgraces the Jews his people”


he has said he’s not on of them but he works for them, so well that he got an award from Bnai Brith or the CJC. Warman is just your typical whining homo crusader. You can bet he’ll sue to be able to adopt little boys and that the black robed buffoons will agree that such restrictions on male couples is contrary to Trudeau’s charter of rights.

americans have to cling on to the first amendment not as if their lives depended on it but because their lives depend on it and the lives of other whites around the world. If you don’t have freedom of speech you become Canada. And we all know who’s greasing that slippery slope


Guessedworker:
“I am by no means convinced that Warman is a wholly bad thing for Canadian white nationalism.  The neo-Nazi, Adolf stuff and the noisy Judeo- and other minority phobias are weights around the neck of any movement that seeks to be taken seriously. “


listen, he doesn’t sue Hitler fetichists who speak like drunken skinheads he sues anyone he might get his hands on over the mildest “hate” they express online and not the kind of “hate” that can get one prosecuted under section 319 of the criminal code (the “hate units” of the police takes care of that) but the kind of opinions that can be declared BAD in the political tribunal known as the Human Rights Commissions where professional racial minorities and homo activists are appointed to by the government. Get it?

When the police can’t make a case you have Warman to drag them to “human rights” tribunal where they are guilty even before the proceedings begin. And of course the media regurgitate those courts’ conclusions as if it were the word of God so Warman’s actions aren’t good even for bad publicity. He gets a free pass because he’s fighting the good cause, the oppression of whites.


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Posted by Matra on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:00 | #

Here is a thread from last year on a similar subject also involving Richard Warman.


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Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:42 | #

It also is focusing on the MSM, with the recent announcement that

The Islamic Congress launches human rights complaints against Maclean’s magazine for publishing Islamophobic article

WHEN:
Tuesday, December 4, 2007 At 10:30 am

WHERE:
The Niagara Room (Lower Lobby),
Hotel Intercontinental,
Downtown Toronto next to the Metro Toronto Convention Centre,
225 Front Street West,
Toronto, Ontario.

WHO:
Faisal Joseph, CIC’s Legal Counsel, Partner with the Law Firm of Lerners
LLP. Mr. Joseph is a former Federal and Provincial Crown Attorney, and
former Chair of the Criminal Section of the Canadian Bar Association (Nova
Scotia).

WHAT:
The Canadian Islamic Congress has launched human rights complaints against Macleans Magazine and its editor-in-chief, Kenneth Whyte, for publishing a flagrantly Islamophobic article, “The Future Belongs to Islam,” in its Oct 23, 2006 issue.

This article continues to be published on the Macleans website at this web address.

The complaints have been submitted to the British Columbia, Ontario, and
Federal Human Rights Commissions on the grounds that the article subjects Canadian Muslims to hatred and contempt.

The complaints have been accepted by the British Columbia and the Federal
Commissions; hearings have been scheduled in British Columbia for June 2-6, 2008.

The press conference will be conducted by Mr. Faisal Joseph who will be
arguing the matter before the BC Human Rights Tribunal.

CONTACT:
Faisal Joseph
(519) 640-6342

http://hogtownfront.blogspot.com/
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20061023_134898_134898&source;=<br />srch


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Posted by Friedrich Braun on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:56 | #

What GW doesn’t understand that Warman would lodge a complaint against him as well, if he could. It doesn’t matter what language you use, it’s the content that matters and GW has already send some naughty things on his blog that exposed certain minorities to contempt and hatred.

Sodomite Warman has accumulated a lot of bad karma. He reminds me of that female judge who sentenced Matt Hale. Another person sodomite Warman reminds me of is that young Dutch fanatic and “animal rights activist” who killed Pym Fortuyn. Both are vegetarian, both are extremely moralistic, both are self-righteous, both of self-absorbed loners witha a Messiah complex. I’m curious to see how things will eventually turn out for sodomite Warman.


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Posted by Friedrich Braun on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:01 | #

My apologies for the errors in my previous post. Too much booze and food at work. It’s the Christmas spirit!


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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:57 | #

Friedrich,

Warman might be a celibate homosexual for all you know, and not a “sodomite” at all.  Certainly, one gets the impression of somebody sublimating his sexual energy into the uncovering and prosecution of “haters”.

The truth is, you don’t actually know much about Warman at all.  You are just making a gift of yourself to the Canadian Human Rights court, which is not very bright.

It seems to me that in order to criticise Warman one must do so on the basis of what he does, not what he is.  And, of course, one must do so on the basis of fact, not supposition or prejudice.  I don’t see that criticising a man for his public actions can be legally problematic.  It just requires more discipline than you have.

Anyhow, do me a favour and don’t push your luck like that here again.  At the very least it’s bad taste to come back at me with as many “sodomites” as you can possibly fit in to one short comment.  If that’s all you’ve got to offer, stick to your own blog.  Demean yourself.  But don’t come here to demean us.  Even if you are drunk.

VLC,

Yes, I understand what Warman is doing.  But, anyway, it’s simple.  If you want to be respected, you have to be respectable.  A Canadian white nationalist movement that managed to engage with the common sense and moral sensibilities of ordinary Canadians would also give Warman no opportunities for legal mischief-making.

It’s very tough to pull off, witness the legal difficulties of Vlaams Blok/Belang, and the constant media demonisation of Nick Griffin.  But if national politics is the way forward, that’s what you have to do.


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Posted by Friedrich Braun on Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:46 | #

No problem, GW. At any rate, any place that would make a contributor out of a bizarre Bolshevik turd like C. von H. is probably not a place for me.

You’ve got it, from now on I’ll stick to my business.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:46 | #

I am a pluralist, Friedrich.  You are not a problem to me because of your politics, but because, on this occasion, you made trouble.  I’m happy to bury the hatchet if you will operate within the normal limits.


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Posted by MacGregor on Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:07 | #

It doesn’t matter what language you use, it’s the content that matters and GW has already send some naughty things on his blog that exposed certain minorities to contempt and hatred.

No, it is absolutely the language you use. It is no coincidence that every single individual Warman has successfully filed against has posted on Stormfront.

Rational arguments made with good-will, even ones completely rejecting the political consensus, do not tend to draw legal attention, and - if you can wrap your mind around it - they also do not expose minorities to contempt in the first place.


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Posted by Fr. John on Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:07 | #

“I am by no means convinced that Warman is a wholly bad thing for Canadian white nationalism.  The neo-Nazi, Adolf stuff and the noisy Judeo- and other minority phobias are weights around the neck of any movement that seeks to be taken seriously.”

Only when one is too spineless to utter them, even while believing them implicitly.

Sorry, La Raza, the Neo-Con Zionazis, and all the rest don’t.

Why in Hell should we?

We shouldn’t. Call a ‘spade’ a ‘spade’, etc.
Whites once did. And we were strong.

Now, we have been intellectually castrated.
And no one likes a gelding.

(I also found the password to post this with ‘88’ in it, somewhat telling!)
Is this site REALLY so anti-name calling, if ‘88’ is generated as a password component?

LMAO


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Posted by Fr. John on Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:10 | #

“Anyhow, do me a favour and don’t push your luck like that here again.  At the very least it’s bad taste to come back at me with as many “sodomites” as you can possibly fit in to one short comment.  “

Sodomite is, as sodomite does.

The term is apt, concise, and conveys a moral oppobrium.
All germane to the topic, whenever one is discussing ANY homosexual deviant.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:30 | #

Fr. John,

We are discussing politics, not homosexual proclivities.  Put aside your moral opprobrium. 

In any case, if one is to generalise about homosexuals in politics, it is not sodomy that defines them.  It is self-identification as a victim group.

If for one moment Warman could see “straight”, and realise that even a homosexual has ethnic interests, and these constitute a primary interest far outweighing the importance of his victim-group status, he would likely cease to be a harmful political influence in this world.  But that status and the political pursuits that flow from it - chiefly the impossible pursuit of “equal validity” - seem far too dear to the great majority of homosexuals.  Further, the congruence of those pursuits with other powerful streams of anti-European activism is too well established for all but a very few homosexuals to break free and contribute usefully to the defence of Europe’s children.

This is a situation we must simply accept, and cleave to our side of the traditional bargain: tolerance in exchange for discretion.


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Posted by VLC on Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:27 | #

guessedworker:
“A Canadian white nationalist movement that managed to engage with the common sense and moral sensibilities of ordinary Canadians would also give Warman no opportunities for legal mischief-making.”


what people write on Stormfront used to be written in newspapers and what they say used to be said by prime ministers. Canada was a “white supremacist” country only 50 years ago

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=214552


the rules you think we should respect are a complete joke, the line we can’t cross is producing a *likelyness* of exposing some group to “hatred or contempt”. Nick Griffin would have lost had he been tried in a canadian “human rights” tribunal and he would have been fined at least 50 K pounds. James Watson wouldn’t have stood a chance because in these so-called courts the truth is completely irrelevant, only the feelings of the offended and the commissars matter. We don’t give Warman the opportunity to sue normal white canadians, it’s the government that gives Warman carte blanche to attack normal white canadians

MacGregor:
“It is no coincidence that every single individual Warman has successfully filed against has posted on Stormfront.”


he fishes in the right pool that’s all, creating multiple accounts to troll the forum and try to obtain names and IP addresses. AFAIK none of Warman’s victims have had official charges against them filed after a police investigation. Even Tom Winnicki wasn’t charged under section 319 of the criminal code, he was ordered by the Human Rights Commissars to stop posting “hate” on VNN Forum (i.e. links to newspaper articles about black crime in Toronto + his comments) and when he refused a federal court said he violated the order of the HR court and condemned him to 9 months of prison.

We have a section in the criminal code that already deals with “spreading hate” but the HUman Rights Tribunal lowers the bar below the law so that people like Warman can punish those he hates even when they don’t break the law and the official judicial system has to implement their decisions as if they were legitimate court and make anyone obey their orders.


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Posted by Joe on Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:36 | #

How are the jewish-supremacists over at amren.com reacting to this?  Are they cheering like they did when Paul Fromm got fired from his job?


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:19 | #

The Jews have killed the United States.  They always hated it.  They’ve finally succeeded in murdering it.  They’re dancing for joy.  We’re filled with foreboding.  This is what the United States gets for trusting them, for permitting them to enter.  From the minute they enter a Euro country they start plotting its race-replacement.  Let what has happened here be a lesson to others:  you let Jews in, you sign your death warrant as a nation.  Jews and Euros should live in separate countries because if they live in the same country the Jews will try to eradicate the Euros.  At worst, Jews are malicious; at best, they don’t know how to behave.


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Posted by captainchaos on Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:15 | #

Just read Steve Sailor’s article off the link provided by Fred Scrooby.  Not a pretty picture.  But I still have hope.  There are still around 200 million of us Euros in North America (including white canadians).  If push comes to shove other races won’t be able to push us around collectively.  If we can just get the border closed down and deport the mestizos we’ll at least be able to limp along for awhile.


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Posted by VLC on Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:35 | #

some news about the human rights inquisitors and Mr.Warman:


http://www.freedomsite.org/legal/jan16-08_Victory-at-federal-court.html

Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed the appearance of his counsel,  Barbara Kulaszka , for an hour and a half.  M arc Lemire walked out of Federal Court in   Toronto   today a happy man. By sheer persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and instigating.


http://www.freedominion.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1130657

It may be mere coincidence that Richard Warman is in fact an Anglo-German, but it is not likely a coincidence at all that the owner of the website where Richard Warman posted this racist screed against Sen. Anne Cools came under attack by the CHRC shortly after Richard Warman began his complaint-less investigation there.

Complaint-less investigations by the CHRC have been in the news lately because information has surfaced concerning CHRC operative Dean Steacy and his official exploits as ‘Jadewarr’.

* * *

Warman manufactures “evidence” and the HRC knowingly continues to use that “evidence” until they are exposed.

This is far beyond entrapment. It is a crimminal use the levers of state to tyranize people.


http://www.macleans.ca/canada/opinions/article.jsp?content=20080117_24131_24131&page=1

Why should Richard Warman be the only citizen to have his own personal inquisition?

It’s all very odd, ‘that’s for sure’
by Mark Steyn

Who has availed themselves of the “human rights” protected by Section XIII? In its entire history, over half of all cases have been brought by a sole “complainant,” one Richard Warman. Indeed, Mr. Warman has been a plaintiff on every single Section XIII case before the federal “human rights” star chamber since 2002 — and he’s won every one. That would suggest that no man in any free society anywhere on the planet has been so comprehensively deprived of his human rights. Well, no. Mr. Warman doesn’t have to demonstrate that he’s been deprived of his human rights, only that it’s “likely” (i.e. “highly un-”) that someone somewhere will be deprived of some right sometime. Who is Richard Warman? What’s his story? Well, he’s a former employee of the Canadian Human Rights Commission: an investigator. Same as Shirlene McGovern.

Isn’t there something a little odd in a supposedly necessary Canadian federal “human rights” system used all but exclusively by one lone Canadian who served as a long-time employee of that system? Why should Richard Warman be the only citizen to have his own personal inquisition? You can hardly blame the Canadian Islamic Congress and the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada and no doubt the Supreme All-Powerful Islamic Executive Council of Swift Current, Sask., for now figuring they’d like a piece of the human rights action.


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Posted by Friedrich Braun on Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:00 | #

I am a pluralist, Friedrich.

You’re not really a pluralist, GW. You’re a racialist conservative with an authoritarian streak. What you like in Von is his anti-Germanism, that’s the limit of his appeal. After all, you’re the man who still hero-worships “that bastard Churchil” (Major M.F. Thurgood) and hypocritically sermonizes how Britain could not stand idly by why Mr. Hitler was abusing his neighbours. LOL The English would know a thing or two about abusing neighbours…the English have always been very good at it, due to lots of practice (let’s ask Scots, Welsh, and especially the Irish).

The English will never stop lying about Germans:

You’re wasting your time, Alex. All the books since W.W. II about the Third Reich have been written by enemies of National Socialism. You won’t find any “facts” in them. Let’s take Ian Kershaw’s lauded biography of Adolf Hitler, a friend took the time to trace down all the authors critical of Hitler’s economic policies and cited by Kershaw, he found that Kershaw invariably cited Marxists as his sources. Here we have an establishment historian from a major Western university borrowing a Marxist critique of National Socialist economics. Kershaw wouldn’t use Marxists for anything else in the world; however, insofar as Nazis are concerned, all is fair game. If that weren’t enough, lying Englishman Kershaw (who got a knighthood from the Queen for his effort) states in his introduction that he personally abhors everything Hitler stood for…how do you like them apples? Do you expect a court historian like that to give you unbiased, true facts? No, of course not! He can’t say something that might show Hitler in a good light. It would go against his nature as a lying, perfidious, two-faced, double-crossing, self-righteous, hypocritical, dishonest Englishman…(but these are all synonyms for the “Perfidious Albion”…a monicker given the English by continental Europeans who centuries ago noticed in their wisdom that there was something “off” about the English character…Dr. Goebbles referred to them as “the Jews of the Aryan race”…). But I digress…

The Third Reich showed the world that you could have a free market AND a planned economy…and produce in only a few years the highest standard of living in the world and full employment.

If you want to know the facts, you’ll have to read primary sources that should be available at any good North American university but that have been outlawed by the anti-German BRD (”the freest Germany in history!”) and, hence, cannot be found in the Bastardstate. Of course, they’ve never been translated and are only accessible to those who can read German. I can give you some titles that I’ve read, if you’re interested.

http://www.thecivicplatform.com/index.php?s=Perfidious

Btw, a new book on Churchill just came out:

A book of note: Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization

http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2008/03/13/a-book-of-note-human-smoke-the-beginnings-of-world-war-ii-the-end-of-civilization/


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:59 | #

Under oath it’s been revealed that Canadian government bureaucrats working for the Canadian Human Rights Commission (the outfit Richard Warman learned the money-making techniques from, as a result of being employed there before quitting in order to pile up a small fortune doing the same thing as a free-lancer) post literally thousands of “anti-Semitic, anti-black, and anti-gay” messages at sites such as Stormfront and Vanguard.

http://ezralevant.com/2008/11/another-dam-breaks.html

(Hat tip to Kathy Shaidle, at “Five Feet of Fury”http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/:entry:fivefeet-2008-11-26-0002/)

My ball-park estimate would be that at least half and perhaps way more than half of such web-site postings using “over-the-top” language are posted by Canadian or U.S. federal employees (FBI, BATF, Canadian Human Rights Commission, etc.) acting as agents provocateurs hanging around these sites looking to infiltrate and make contacts, and also to plan entrapments.  Without doubt a significant number are posted by agents of the ADL as well, and it’s certainly not out of the question that German and British government agents and Mossad agents are also playing this game at such sites — it would seem a certainty.  No one should touch one of these over-the-top posters at any of these sites with a ten-foot pole:  don’t communicate with any, don’t “fraternize” with any, don’t reply to e-mails from any, avoid them like the plague.  Three-fourths of them are agents provocateurs.


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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:05 | #

“literally thousands of ‘anti-Semitic, anti-black, and anti-gay’ messages”

Excuse me, the article said “hundreds” of messages, not thousands — my mistake.  (But you get the message.)


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Posted by Guest on Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:22 | #

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Saturday, November 29, 2008 at 03:59 PM

Earlier this year in an article in a Canadian newspaper discussing Steyn’s case they mentioned that RCMP and people like the subect matter, as well as United States federal and local law enforcement posted on SF. Now that explains quite a bit.



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