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The silenced and the banned: an idea for a new project One of my compatriots and fellow patriots from the Daily Telegraph threads has come up with an interesting idea. He wants MR to display censored commentary from the thread wars so that (a) it is not entirely lost, which is extremely annoying for those of us who work this angle, (b) we can keep track of what is verboten, and of media behaviour generally, and (c) where applicable, debates can be continued. It would require only that the principal URL and the date, time and content of deleted posts be entered on a dedicated thread. We can initiate as many threads as there are media websites at which we wage the war of discourse. I would have to expand the side-bar to accommodate an entry point to the project, where all the individual media-dedicated threads would be gathered. And, of course, it would require the forward-thinking on your part to record the requisite information for every even remotely edgy commentary, and to post here when it was taken down. But that’s not much to ask, I think. What about it? Worth doing? What media would require dedicated threads? Comments:2
Posted by Jimmy Marr on Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:32 | # GW: I think this is a great idea. Without implying any similarity between Cotewood and Hannibal Lecter, I think you should name this project Silence of the Banned. 3
Posted by anon on Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:44 | # This could be very interesting as it will demonstrate what particular memes are suppressed. Given these media gatekeepers have a good sense of the commercial potency of an idea or expression, it could be helpful. 4
Posted by Karl LaForce on Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:32 | # I like it. Similar to “ÿoutomb”, the archive of videos removed from youtube. 5
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:11 | # Daniel: We Americans should do something similar for the Times of New York and L.A. The project would rely heavily upon you guys. There’s more of you, for one thing! We couldn’t set up shadow sites as such. Too complex and much too much work. Jimmy, Any similarity between Cotewood and a mass-murdering cannibal played by Anthony Hopkins is solely bibulous and in no way culinary. anon: Given these media gatekeepers have a good sense of the commercial potency of an idea or expression, it could be helpful. Ideally, we could identify the borderline and keep hitting it, or just over it, to force liberalisation of the speech codes. They think they are in control. But they are open to manipulation. Karl, I think it will be a while before rating become a possibility. But if there was sufficient participation that could be considered. I’m sure James and Soren could invent the software. 6
Posted by danielj on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 05:25 | # We couldn’t set up shadow sites as such. Too complex and much too much work. Seems like short shit for a reasonably talented scripter. Recruit the whole WN network and distribute the burden. I’m not interested in the project. Important work. Not mine though. 7
Posted by Jimfact on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:01 | # Heynow! first post here. I got mine deleted on TG… It was about an hour ago 1pm EST and was about the Japs not looting their own. The strange thing is I was defending minorities… I think? Here was the original. My laptop deletes posts all the time so I write them in my email account first… LOL, honestly I can’t spell worth a damn. Looting has nothing to do with nationality, lack of nationalism, or race and everything to do with the looters state of mind and a willingness to take something for nothing. The biggest looters in the history of the world were white nationalist Soviet communists. The second biggest were the Naz1’s again white nationalist socialists (leftwingers). It has to do with jealousy, hate, and lack of respect for oneself entirely. US Democrats have always been willing to do anything for a vote they practice racism to guarantee their votes and they instituted Jim Crow laws and the KKK for just that purpose. When the Republicans started winning down south on merit, the writing was on the wall, they looked for new voters (minorities) and instituted more race based laws like Affirmative Action (*MLK was a Republican). The grand plan was to create a class system in the US like the slavery one that was slowly being replaced. It has worked better than dreamed with 95% of blacks blindly voting democrat with little hope of them getting a good education and seeing the ride they are being taken on. Liberals group them in cities with handouts, corrupt their education system with unions, and invite them (via community organizers) to huge hate filled rallies to get them all on the same page. Bitter and resentful. These are the same tricks that all the other socialists/communists used throughout recent history but nobody teaches this in history class anymore because the books are re-written. Find an undereducated population, make them believe they are being repressed unfairly, and promise them free stuff (loot or entitlements) it sounds childish but it has always worked. 8
Posted by Jimfact on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:19 | # I will keep checking in for a few days. I like your idea. I don’t post on the Telegraph very frequently but use other sites. Jeremy invited me here, and I did like his posts. Take care. below is another post on that same topic about the lack of looting in Japan. After Katrina there were large communities of Vietnamese who were just as poor before the flood and just as wiped out after as any other community there. They didn’t loot at all and rebuilt their communities within months without much government help. They were largely Catholic and Buddhist so it wasn’t the same religion. I remember one individual said it was no big deal for his family. Growing up in Vietnam before the war, his family often had its houses washed away during the rainy season and they would simply rebuild without question and reap the benefits of the refreshed soil after floods for their new crops. They rebuilt so fast that they didn’t qualify for the crazy and corrupt government handouts. I saw the story and was shocked because nobody had moved back to that area yet and there was little infrastructure, but there they were. Block upon block of newly painted rebuilt houses surrounded by destruction to the nearby homeowners who fled and were living in some other city (living in free hotels with stipend checks and getting arrested for smoking crack). These people had propane stoves, huge coolers and generators and were already back home, feeling secure and proud. In the L.A. Riots I can remember similar groups sitting on the roofs of their businesses with guns trying to protect their property to no avail. This also takes place every time a socialist/communist government is installed all over the world. Rome (looting), Russia 1920 (looting) Germany 1933 (looting) Cuba 1959 (looting) Every country in Central and South America 1830-present (looting) Egypt 2011 (looting). A big reason is because their political party of choice loves to practice class warfare to gain political power and votes, which destroys their respect for property rights and those that worked hard to earn it (think liberals). People who think every Egyptian getting the vote should be concerned. Thomas Jefferson warned about this and advocated a Republic rather than Democracy for the USA because all democracies quickly failed when voters realized they could vote themselves wealth (mob rule). Can you think of a successful republic or democracy since 1776? 9
Posted by AunDoorback on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:40 | # Sorry if I’m going off topic a little GW but I think the Ed West piece and comment thread on the Japanese tragedy is worth a long hard look for all here. This event is bringing something out in a wider consciousness. 10
Posted by Jeremy on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:25 | # cotewood, Have you been to the Ed West piece about the absence of looting in Japan? http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100079703/why-is-there-no-looting-in-japan/ I hope I have not been too previous but I invited a couple of people over to your site. 11
Posted by Errol Flynn on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:40 | # This comment was deleted from Ed West’s blog at the Telegraph, on 14th March 2011. The blog article is entitled: Why is there no looting in Japan? Firstly, I wrote a deliberately provocative comment, knowing it would likely attract the censor’s cut. I was trying to ‘force’ it past the censor. Secondly, I once lived and worked on the island of Jamaica and actually had a pleasant time (despite the regular racist provocations thrown in my direction). I am quoting from memory. What follows is NOT an exact copy of my deleted comment. START: If Blacks were removed from Britain, there would likely follow a 60 percent reduction in the crime rates, particularly in those crimes committed with violence. And if Communist, race-denying, one-world loving, New Labour voting, luvvies take exception to this, then I have an important question for them. Why don’t they all emigrate to Africa? After all, the “dark continent” has thousands miles of beaches, warm weather, and plenty of cheap beer. They could then practice their ideological ‘ideals’ while living cheek by jowl with those they most admire. Come to think of it, the Fabian Society could also relocate their headquarters from London (close to the City of London) to someplace in Africa ... perhaps Nairobi or Lusaka? But, I think I am being unfair to Africa and Africans. By far the largest percentage of Britain’s crime wave since the 1960s has been caused by Jamaican immigrants. I never cease to wonder how Britain could have ever appeared so attractive to those living on what was once one of the world’s most beautiful islands ... full of bountiful fresh produce ... until that is, they trashed the place through neglect. END. 12
Posted by Jeremy on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:14 | # Errol, I think it was the ‘crime reduction’ aspect of your post pressed the right buttons there. I will have to give that a spin later. 13
Posted by Jeremy on Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:58 | # I have been banned from the DT website (again). Here are my posts: 1. “People blame black behaviour on white racism but asians seem to achieve great things in America despite being around all those nasty white people. It is a well known thing that income has nothing to do with achievement either. Black children whose parents earn $100,ooo per year consistently achieve less than white/asian children whose parents earn $30,000 per year.” 2. “The other thing that makes me laugh about blacks is their dishonesty over slavery. They never wanted to be free from slavery i.e. being forced to work – they wanted to be free from work, full stop. Think about it: if the British Empire was so abusive and enslaved people everywhere, why did it not do that in India? There is no need to enslave people who will work of their own accord.”
Answer: race. Some races (whites, orientals) are more capable than others (ahem) of deferring gratification. These other groups are simply not capable of thinking that far ahead and cannot connect actions with their consequences. The environment they prefer is so bountiful and warm that they did not need to evolve certain behaviours that required them to think ahead, for example, storing food. Obviously, once their sort moves into civilised environments (the West is alone in tolerating their plague-like presence) this impulsive behaviour is a source of friction for them and bewilderment to others.” 14
Posted by Thunder on Tue, 15 Mar 2011 00:10 | # Gumbojuice is playing the Horus the Avenger, Bob Whittaker tactic—constantly staying on a consistent line, tweaking the words a little to tailor it to different comments, like the mantra. I think it is effective and anyone can do it. It is also good to see racism is fading as a the boogie man deterrent it used to be. 15
Posted by AnalogMan on Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:04 | # Excellent idea, GW. At that DT thread that Jeremy linked to, all the highest-rated comments have been deleted (at least, in the first dozen or so pages). Many of the replies to them are still there, and later posters are asking “can anybody tell me what the original comment was about?”. If we had a place where we could see the original comments, the censors might be a little less free with the cuts. There’d be less point in it, wouldn’t there? Plus, it would draw more like-minded readers to your excellent site. 16
Posted by Jeremy on Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:26 | # My comment was removed from this thread: It was the best rated comment and said: “If Duff is not committing treason, then the word has lost its meaning.” I believe there are genuine fears among politicians of the well-directed use of the word ‘treason’. Perhaps this could be explored by other posters? 17
Posted by Lurker on Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:20 | # On this thread: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100079703/why-is-there-no-looting-in-japan/#dsq-content This comment by ‘bakez’:
Nothing we dont know already of course but he really got it down pat, very concise. 18
Posted by AnalogMan on Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:45 | # In the Telegraph comments, is commenter John Woodcote also cotewood? 19
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:41 | # The same. To comment on the threads in the non-blog part of the site you have to create an account with Facebook or Disqus. John Woodcote was created for that purpose (Cotewood pre-existed the launch of Disqus at the Telegraph). 20
Posted by Drifter on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:30 | # Reading Kant and Refuting White Nationalists Okay. They’ll get around to the refuting part. Some time. 21
Posted by Jeremy on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:03 | # Drfiter, I just checked your link and if this is their level “confuses culture with biology, claiming that Galileo’s accomplishments are due to race,” then I think we will be waiting a long time. If all cultures are just as valid then show us yer African/Chinese/Islamic Galileo. What’s that libtards? You can’t? Race causes culture and that is that. 22
Posted by Drifter on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 01:13 | # Yes, that’s one of the problems. Driving and gasoline engines are not related. Decontextualizing precedes deconstruction, the discredited methodology of leftist academia. It is just irritating to see another trained Marxist monkey claiming to be a conservative journalist. Post a comment:
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Posted by danielj on Sun, 13 Mar 2011 02:51 | #
You should just set up a “shadow” site to the Telegraph. Your commentary is strong enough to draw in the gallery.
In fact, we Americans should do something similar for the Times of New York and L.A.