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Worse is ... what? Four years ago Barack Hussein Obama II was elected to the office of President of the United States of America. It was something new, and while everybody in White Nationalism saw the “hope” nonsense and the “change” nonsense for what it was, by no means every White Nationalist was unhappy about Obama’s victory. Some even voted for him. There was, of course, another, darker, grittier hope of change, born in the belief that, inevitably, white Americans would be pushed closer to, and perhaps even beyond, what they can bear. The hand of federal government control would grow heavy. The economy would slump. The taxes would increase. The racial injustice would mount. Everything in the white American life would become worse, and not by a little but a lot. Anger, frustration and cynicism would take hold. A search for alternatives beyond the GOP, beyond the prescribed news of the media, would take hold too, and WN’s long hoped-for change in the somnolence of white America would come closer. Well, we got the Tea Party and Arizona SB 1070, I suppose. But tomorrow the incumbent is expected by most onlookers to secure his second term. So what do WNs expect “worse-wise” from that, and how do they assess the viability of the “worse is better” scenario? Are we seeing any movement at all in the white American thrall to the mainstream? What, after all, would it look like? How long would it take to become obvious? And what, if anything, can be expected to develop in the next four years? Comments:2
Posted by Desmond Jones on Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:39 | # It appears Romney has the Welsh vote locked up. LOL. The bigger question is whether the bust of Winnie returns to the Whitehouse especially considering the long held animus toward dear Winston for his alleged call to “shoot the rats in their holes” during the Tonypandy Riots in the Welsh Rhondda valley. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonypandy_Riots#Criticism_of_Churchill If Gallop is correct, and the electoral demographic is R+2, then we will see a Republican tsunami both for the presidency and the house. 3
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:08 | # If the DEMONcrats steal Ohio via voter fraud, Bathhouse Barry will win. If not, welcome to the wonderful world of Willard. BTW, IMO, Willard is the most “conservative” Republican candidate since Pat Buchanan.
GO WILLARD!!! 4
Posted by Classic Sparkle on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 04:20 | # It really does not matter what happens tomorrow. 5
Posted by Lurker on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 04:34 | # What CS said. Sure, four more years of Obama might wake a few white people up, Romney might do some stuff that doesnt make things (much) worse. A Romney win will make ‘conservatives’ more complacent, an Obama win will result in yet more insufferable, triumphalist liberal crowing. Which ever way it goes the margin of victory will be miniscule, like 2008. Back then the way liberals went on you would think Obama had won a Reagan-like 1984 landslide, rather than merely staggering first over the finish line. 6
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:52 | # Lurker, I hate to disagree with you, but Obama in 08 won reasonably convincingly by US standards. Look it up: he got just under 53% of the popular vote (and this of a much larger voter turnout than normal), and 365 Electoral College votes. Not a landslide, it’s true, but better than many other recent performances. The blunt truth is that America is increasingly a leftwing country in an ever-more leftist world (and an even more Left-shifting white world). The deeply traditionalist principles I hold dear - Christian orthodoxy; biological realism; ethnocultural preservation; ‘rule by the best’ as opposed to democracy; European High Culture; inegalitarianism; anti-utopianism; social hierarchies based on character, graces and breeding more than money; free markets arising from ironclad private property rights; money as sound as gold; extermination of violent criminals; labor camps and restitutionist measures for non-violent ones; classic education curricula; zero socialism or welfarism - though serving as the basis for the best attainable ways of life, are nevertheless increasingly out of favor. The world that is maturing was conceived in WW2, and was born in The Sixties. It is an ugly, crass, uncouth, vulgar, dysgenic, violently egalitarian, barbaric world, and, without conscious action, as, eg, White Zion, it is ineluctably the world of the future. The Englishman of the future is of indeterminate race, and wears a hoodie. 7
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:56 | # BUCHANAN!
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Posted by jamesUK on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:54 | # EDL’s Tommy Robinsion is in jail. Heres his supporters acting like typical British nationalist idiots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogLn8V3Q7J0 Nick Griffin on Tommys arrest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHF92Aw7NY When did this happen and what is it that landed him in prison? Why is no one talking about it including Minority Rights?
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Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:38 | # Why is no one discussing the recent death of the great Arthur Jensen? In a very short time we’ve lost both Jensen and Rushton. What cruel blows are visited upon the sons of the soil! 10
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:41 | # James, do you not think that Lennon has a quite a long charge sheet, including offences that pre-date or have no connection to the EDL? Do you not think he could be a more effective leader if he didn’t become embroiled in violence so often? He knows he is watched closely by the authorities, so why pin a target to himself? Most thinking nationalists have had quite enough of stupidity in the movement. We are wondering why capable, thoughtful people never emerge as leaders. 11
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:49 | # MY PRESIDENTIAL VOTE: Given that Romney has no chance of winning my state of CA, I am free to vote on pure principle. I would have voted, as in the past, for the Constitution Party, but they did not make it onto the CA ballot. So my “protest” vote was down to the Libertarian Party, and the American Independent Party (the old George Wallace-ites). The Libertarians keep moving to the social/racial/‘lifestyles’ Left, so I voted for this guy:
Hardly a perfect platform (ballot statements are limited in word-length), but light years better than Romney/Ryan. That statement is my idea, more or less, of a true American conservatism, and that is what I advocate (throwing in immigration termination, of course). 12
Posted by JasonH on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:51 | # I would say that worse is usually always worse. Obama has not helped things at all. But I don’t think it matters anyway anymore. I’ve personally met far too many white race traitors to really go on caring about the fate of the white race; the kind of people who will shout you down just for saying your race has a right to exist. Also, most demoralizing for me is the fact that the vast majority of nationalists are nuts who are much more motivated by hatred of the great mass of humanity (including much of their own race) than love. The far right fringe is filled with monarchists, fascists, eugenicists, social Darwinists, classists, and misogynists who are only capable of Roissy-style crudity towards women. Thus I have really started to become converted to the liberal idea that only the individual matters. 13
Posted by uKn_Leo on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:07 | # jamesUK - you ARE jamesUK from BDF. Why you lie? Isn’t Tommy Robinson in jail because he entered the States with a fake passport. You know this already. ........ Leon, you snob! What’s wrong with hoodies? I’m wearing one right now, North Face, very warm, very comfortable. ........ An Obama/Miliband combination is worrisome. We come to it at last.
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Posted by Lurker on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:12 | # Fair enough Leon! I suppose Im thinking of that ‘84 election as what a popular vote should look like but it was an outlier. However I stand by my other point, liberals constantly talk as if Obama had won by that sort of margin. Someone who is loved and adored by the vast majority, rather than someone who just cleared the 50% margin in a two horse race. Its never that simple here of course, always at least three parties in contention. I suppose Im being shallow, I couldnt vote for Romney but its the liberal crowing over Obama that sickens me. 15
Posted by Zale on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:00 | #
It depends. Carlyle’s Great Man theory depended upon the presence of innate traits, none of which included capable and thoughtful. In particular charisma held great appeal to followers. Spencer of course rebutted the theory claiming that great leaders were the products of their time. Thuggish charm must have an appeal to more than just women. 16
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:49 | #
Indeed. But on the upshot, their research will live on. WRT demographics, vis-a-vis the Electoral College, anyone that can do simple math can see the GOP has an expiration stamped on it. I beleive this election cycle presents the very last chance for the GOP to win the office of the presidency. IOWs, once Texas and Florida go blue (and they certainly will go blue due to the obvious reasons), it is over .... OVAH! for the Goopers. It will be virtually impossible for the GOP to win at the national level. From that point on, the only way a “conservative” candidate can win is via a third party. For that to happen, a MASS revolt against the ruling class must take place. In that event, the ruling class will surely react by subverting and fostering divisions, chaos, and fragmentation within the ranks of any right-wing third party ... thus rendering it impotent…..maybe…. Furthermore, if anyone thinks they can convert enough Hispanics to make up the difference of a declining white GOP electorate (such as Karl “turd blossom” Rove), they are as deluded as those that think LIEberals are well intentioned patriotic Americans but simply misguilded. In truth, the way politics is run in AmeriKWA is the LIEberal propagandists bombard weapons-grade-mendacity on an an increadably dumbed-down and incredibly naive populace. A majority ignorant dependent population makes for an insurmountable LIEberal advantage. Now I’m off to the polls…... BTW, it’s possible, even likely, Romney will win the popular vote yet lose the election; this can happen due to the way the Electoral College votes are counted. What happens in Ohio is key to who wins, IMHO.
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Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:51 | # Excellent Presidential Electoral Guide:
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Posted by daniels. on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:00 | # Posted by JasonH on November 06, 2012, 04:51 AM | # I would say that worse is usually always worse. Obama has not helped things at all. But I don’t think it matters anyway anymore. I’ve personally met far too many white race traitors to really go on caring about the fate of the white race; the kind of people who will shout you down just for saying your race has a right to exist. Also, most demoralizing for me is the fact that the vast majority of nationalists are nuts who are much more motivated by hatred of the great mass of humanity (including much of their own race) than love. The far right fringe is filled with monarchists, fascists, eugenicists, social Darwinists, classists, and misogynists who are only capable of Roissy-style crudity towards women. Thus I have really started to become converted to the liberal idea that only the individual matters. It may just be that the culture of individualism has been the source of what bothers you. People who raise the complaints that you do, about betrayal, are among the most interesting to me right now - as I have experienced that too, in the most awful ways in the past 4 decades or so - I’ve been confronted by this saliently not only in this past year but as recently as last night. Getting to a White place helped, but only on the deepest level. I wonder what sustains my loyalty to Whites when there has been such bitter betrayal, so little loyalty to me and so little real world return. It could be the experience of the pattern of Whites, and knowing that on that deep level, these are the people who I need to be with, in stark contrast to the nightmare of New Jersey’s hellish Black throngs. I may not have achieved the ordinary things yet, of knowing normal relations with a number of reliable, normal White people who seek to cooperate toward our common interests and advance, but its possibility does keep me going. Indeed, the endogenous pursuit of White Nationalist coordination is a rewarding quest, because it is genuine. That is what I really care about. An Englishman living here confronted me last night. He said, “you are alienating yourself from us, everybody knows you as a racist. We are bringing three of our Black friends here tomorrow.” Among the things I said was that I am not alienating myself from anyone who shares my concerns - there is no feeling of loss. Just the night before, there had been an ironic episode connected with one of his English mates that he was then sitting with. I was in the same place, wearing my jacket - on the back: We must secure the existence of our people and a futures for White children. As usual no event, nobody said anything til two dark haired guys came in and one of them asks me “what’s the meaning of that, only White children?” ...he escalates his furor screaming that I was a racist! giving me the finger saying he was going to punch me in the face. I found it all very entertaining, he was the one who as being looked upon as crazy. People could not understand his fuss. I said the magic words to him: go back to Israel. Decoded, at that point he and his friend looked at each other and decided that they’d better leave. He screamed “racist! racist!” at the top of his lungs all the way out. Later, I left that place too and ran into Dave on the market (he is the one among the group from last night). I know him to be a liberal but he asked me if I’d like to come along to the place he was going. What the heck, I’m civilized. We made our way there, this place I’ve not been in years, some blocks away, walked down the stairs, and what is there? The same guy who was screaming at me “racist” at the other place, was there, with a Karaoke microphone in hand! spots me right away and starts screaming in his microphone, “racist! racist! racist!” for the whole bar to hear. LOL. I did leave immediately; only mildly amused by the irony of it. I tend to enjoy the sport of these confrontations. But I must say, judging by the crowds, and by the way his colleagues talked to me the following night (the anti-racists are a lot less confident than they used to be and still mouthing some of the same things that only sound more foolish than ever), Jason, hang in there. Don’t give up before things start to turn more our way, when you find support and reward in our people, as you should. In the meantime, it can be fun. More, the quest and hope for genuine, real world, flesh and blood friends and women, wife and children sustains me. What is the point of pursuing ways which do not respect our patterned qualities? I don’t want to live immersed with Africans, Orientals, Indians or a Middle Easterners. The pattern of Whites keeps me going, even if the individuals do not do particularly much. Regarding WN’s hard feelings toward women: being in a White place has resolved those feelings too. Though I still reject traitors, since coming to an all white place the occasion for interracial irritation and provocation is greatly limited and with that that general anger with women has given way. I do understand where it came from however - their tendency to be liberal, which can easily be pandered to in an open society, as a liberal society gives them a pronounced advantage in mate selection. With that, I believe that they tend to promote and empower liberal men (such as Bill Clinton, who pandered to women; I guess it is largely the same with Obama). If men are to be worthy men, they must forgo the mystery and wonderment of endless variety, of not knowing where the game will end. Instead, they must instead state and assert where the limits will be. Those who transgress the race will be out: we will not suffer the consequences, they will. Obama / Romney - flip sides of the same Cohen 19
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:00 | # Thorn@16 Yes, you are right. I have been attending GOP events for a quarter century, warning of just this point vociferously the whole time. One does not have to be a racialist to oppose the immigration invasion; only a real conservative. Of course, “real conservatives” stopped being a majority of the US population by the time of the New Deal. The US is lost. For pro-whites our job is twofold, pragmatic and idealistic. First, we must develop communal organizations to aid us in our political struggles (and eventually physical ones). We need to start out with membership groups oriented towards American nationalism. Over time, these will gradually morph into racial nationalist entities. Second, we must hold out The White Republic or White Zion as our ultimate goal. In other words, our dream is a whites-only sovereign territory/polity. But meanwhile, we have to organize communally to protect ourselves and interests within the multiculti beast. 20
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:06 | # daniels, Where do you live? Hard to make out from your comment. Perhaps you’ve said before? 21
Posted by daniels on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:10 | # Leon, Shhh - maybe I’d tell you by private email. 22
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:14 | # Interesting, Zale. I’m not sure that “the great man” is what I expect to emerge. Just some responsible people would be a pleasant change (you know, people who understand the tactical needs and political opportunities, and don’t repeatedly present gifts to the authorities and a hostile media). 23
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:30 | # Ok, daniels, how about what country? I’m not asking for your home address! 24
Posted by antifascist on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:40 | # “If worse is better”, according to Tom Metzger the white supremacist. 25
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:54 | # Now you are labelling again, anti, and you know that’s not the way to discuss anything. It temporarily resolves your own sense of powerlessness and self-blame, but it doesn’t have anything to do with the actual discussion. You’ve got to end this. Not until you have done that can you be free enough to face the world as it is, without the scarring filter of the prejudices that you bear. I agree with you, btw, about “worse is better”, and I think the last four years have shown, on balance, that there is no gain, or not enough to compensate for the obvious political and demographic losses. 26
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:03 | # BTW, I was wondering when someone at MR was going to notice that there is a rather globally significant election today. GW, I think you ought to post right now and in its entirety Gregory Hood’s interesting article from yesterday’s Counter-Currents on why “Mitt Romney Must Lose”. I found myself in agreement with most of his assertions, even though I profoundly disagree with the overall thesis. If not in a swing state, I encourage my fellow Americans to vote for 1) Virgil Goode, or 2) Thomas Hoefling (whoever is on your ballot). Not WNs, but decent conservatives not enamored of mass immigration or ‘diversity’. But if in such a state, you should vote Romney, imo. Maybe post-election I’ll explain my thinking, which is strategic, and not only based on my own short term self-interest, which so clearly favors Romney. Obama has already done what “good” he can for our Cause. His election has definitely been good for WN, as I predicted it would be four years ago. Whites, at least conservatives, have gotten acclimated to criticizing a ‘person of color’. That is an important psych barrier broken. But he has been terrible for the long term health of our nation and economy, and I suspect that he, being a principled man (albeit of the PC Far Left), will shift much further to the Left in a second term - esp wrt racial matters. There is no chance the GOP will lose the House, so it is unlikely that Obama will have any great (er, significant - everything he’s done has been awful) domestic accomplishments to pursue, except maybe mass alien amnesty via executive order. He will also continue filling up our judiciary with the worst possible judges. Going out on a limb here, I think instead what he will do, beyond guarding his first term ‘legacy’, quietly pushing leftism via the Federal bureaucracy, and dealing with inevitable foreign policy issues and fallouts, is to spend a lot of time in public speaking, going around the country “talkin’ race”. I think he’s going to keep himself in the limelight, build up his lasting base among black America (so that he has an influential post-presidential career), and rekindle some of the goodwill from the brainwashed progressive whites who flocked to him in 08. There will continue to be hard limits as to what he can actually get through Congress, and he’s kind of lazy anyway. I think he’s going to go around the country “community organizing” on a national scale, pushing a Race and Anti-Poverty agenda which will not be good for Republican whites at all. It is not a conversation non-WNs are yet equipped to have. Because he cannot do much legislatively, he’s going to try to transform America by doing what’s he’s best at - hectoring and speechmaking. He may leave office again quite beloved by the Left. 27
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:44 | # A is A A is not B A is not C A is A Simple Aristotelian logic, no? So, worse is invariably worse. Worse is NOT better.
Read it. All of it.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ “You cannot dissuade a person from a position with reason and facts if reason and facts did not determine the position in the first place.” 28
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:07 | # Obama, directed by his brain, David Axelrod, in a second term will continue to advance an anti-White racial socialist agenda. —- What Does ‘Racial Socialism’ Sound Like to You? By James Lewis
The United States today has slipped toward race-based socialism: That’s the true name for an overwhelming bias for one race above others, in employment, promotion, and educational opportunities. Our media are constantly stirring the witch’s brew of racial grievances, constantly making black people feel aggrieved and white people feel accused. Our schools drive that lesson home with young and innocent kids in a totally ruthless way. Repeat that for twelve years of schooling and TV, and you have a brainwashed kid.
Read more>> http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/what_does_racial_socialism_sou.html 29
Posted by daniels. on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:24 | # Posted by antifascist on November 06, 2012, 07:40 AM | # “If worse is better”, according to Tom Metzger the white supremacist.
I like much of what he says though neither am I an advocate of the worse is better idea (by the way, a notion which came from Lenin, I think). However, I think his reasoning is that the system is so corrupt and stacked against Whites (particularly those who are not rich), yet most Whites are so brainwashed and incorrigible (such as to have poor and middle class people voting for Republican plutocrats, or even to have them be anti-White at their own expense), that the only way to shake them and wake them is to allow for, instigate and utilize the collapse as it will confront them further with the brute nature of Blacks and other non-Whites, what these people really think of Whites, who and what they care about, by contrast to who Whites might be able to rely on when the chips are down. 30
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:36 | # Daniels, There will be no “collapse”. What we in the West are in the midst of is a protracted managed decline. Can it be reversed? Of course it can. But we ain’t gonna be led out of this mess by the likes of Tom Metzger. That I’m absolutely sure of. 31
Posted by daniels. on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:58 | # ....and of course, an opportunity to take on the true powers that be.. 32
Posted by daniels. on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:09 | # Posted by Thorn on November 06, 2012, 09:36 AM | # Daniels, There will be no “collapse”. What we in the West are in the midst of is a protracted managed decline. I said that I did not agree with the theory. At present, I don’t even think Meztger thinks there is going to be a sudden collapse either. He sees it happening over decades.
Metzger has some good thoughts and worthwhile experience; nevertheless, I was explaining his reasoning behind worse is better, not proposing him to be your leader. With your being religious, there is no point in discussing him - he is not for you. 33
Posted by Bill on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:18 | # We in England have three main parties to choose from in an election, trouble is, no matter which one we vote for we get liberalism. Social liberalism and economic liberalism. IOW’s globalism. What’s so different in America? Have you no-one behind the curtain pulling the strings? 34
Posted by daniels. on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:35 | # Posted by Bill on November 06, 2012, 11:18 AM | # We in England have three main parties to choose from in an election, trouble is, no matter which one we vote for we get liberalism. Social liberalism and economic liberalism. IOW’s globalism. What’s so different in America? Have you no-one behind the curtain pulling the strings?
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Posted by daniels. on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:34 | # While I am against the worse is better idea, there is indeed, a problem in getting people who are comfortably ensconced in White surroundings to understand the gravity and the reality of coming circumstances - even for Whites who manage to have children, shudder for circumstances they are born into. P.S., the old time England clips were beautiful. 36
Posted by daniels. on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:50 | # Posted by Leon Haller on November 06, 2012, 07:30 AM | # Ok, daniels, how about what country? I’m not asking for your home address! I think some people know, but I am still reluctant to advertise the fact, not wanting to hasten its popularity and therefore decline by the wrong sorts: If you can send me one of your email addresses, I will tell you anything you’d like to know.
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Posted by jamesUK on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:07 | # @Guessedworker I don’t know what is his rap sheet. Surely if he had one the establishment news media here in the UK and government funded United Against Fascism that is on a crusade against EDL and Mr Robinson would have exposed this. You wrote a piece on Bill White and had a guest on MR Radio supporting him under the pretext of “free speech” despite the fact the clown dresses up as a Nazi yet when Mr Robinson get put in the slammer with not a word from the main stream who are openly hostile to the EDL and Mr Robinson yet you support and side with the government. For shame. Mr Robinson is Britain’s most public political prisoner who as we speak is probably being ass rammed by gangs of Muslim inmates launching a jihad on him overseen by corrupt prison guards fighting the good fight while you armchair warriors bitch and moan behind your computer screens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSwlozB-zyE @uKn_Leo jamesUK - you ARE jamesUK from BDF. Why you lie? If I was I would just say I was. Isn’t Tommy Robinson in jail because he entered the States with a fake passport. You know this already. Sounds BS to me. Why would one of the most visible opponents of the British establishment use a fake passport to travel to the US that he has done before to support the anti-jihad movement in the US with much publicity especially by a government/intelligence service that has a history of issuing fake passports to criminals and terrorist’s like how the set up the Mossad in Dubai? 38
Posted by Bill on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:11 | # Daniels @34.
In that case why do people keep voting the way they do. In Britain there is a growing awareness (sooo slowly) that it’s all one big scam. As big a scam as how money is created. Yet there are literally millions screaming and cheering the charade along in America as I type. The media, (ah my friend the media) is playing the voting public like a trout, if anything I’ve discovered during my sojourn here it how bloody stupid people are. I can hardly believe I was once like that but I was. When the scale falls a whole new world unfolds. How near (or far) is the American public from this juncture? Seeing through the scam, that is. Just don’t vote for them! 39
Posted by daniels on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:44 | # ..... Daniels @34. The US gets liberalism no matter what as well: In that case why do people keep voting the way they do. I don’t know why anybody would vote. I don’t. I guess many don’t. I heard some WN colleagues discussing an idea to put a “none of the above”, sort of a vote of no confidence category, on the ballot. They maintain that would better articulate the true position of the public.
Yes, there are fools who would like Obama and fools who would like Romney, but as you note, the media, the media can shape their outlook and make their activities seem more significant than it really are. Indeed. I can hardly believe I was once like that but I was. When the scale falls a whole new world unfolds. Oh, you seem like a great guy. Who could have known that the powers that be could be so evil? Who would imagine anyone looking at the English and their culture and saying, ok, lets destroy that? Lets give this English girl to a…never mind. It has been unbelievable. And the White people, all ok with it, for decades..I have been in shock. It’s like we live in a world of strange ghosts. I’d bet there is significant awareness - the Internet helps. I have been out of the States for a while, but have contact with some. Politics, especially of this sort, are a bit ephemeral for my attention, but it sounds as if many people are aware that there is no real difference in the parties - Paul Craig Roberts is saying that and he is a popular voice. Just don’t vote for them! Maybe a time for another revolution even? ...“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another”.. 40
Posted by daniels on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:46 | # accidentally posted the uncorrected one, sorry. This is the one that I meant Daniels @34. The US gets liberalism no matter what as well: In that case why do people keep voting the way they do. I don’t know why anybody would vote. I don’t. I guess many don’t. I heard some WN colleagues discussing an idea to put a “none of the above”, sort of a vote of no confidence category, on the ballot. They maintain that would better articulate the true position of the public.
Yes, there are fools who would like Obama and fools who would like Romney, but as you note, the media, the media can shape their outlook and make their activities seem more significant than it really are. Indeed. I can hardly believe I was once like that but I was. When the scale falls a whole new world unfolds. Oh, you seem like a great guy. Who could have known that the powers that be could be so evil? Who would imagine anyone looking at the English and their culture and saying, ok, lets destroy that? Lets give this English girl to a…never mind. It has been unbelievable. And the White people, all ok with it, for decades..I have been in shock. It’s like we live in a world of strange ghosts. I’d bet there is significant awareness - the Internet helps. I have been out of the States for a while, but have contact with some. Politics, especially of this sort, are a bit ephemeral for my attention, but it sounds as if many people are aware that there is no real difference in the parties - Paul Craig Roberts is saying that and he is a popular voice. Just don’t vote for them! Maybe a time for another revolution even? ...“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another”.. 41
Posted by uKn_Leo on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:55 | # @jamesUK, care of British Democracy Forum
(You are one and the same. But I shall drop it as I do not seek to embarass you). You ask why GW does not show support for Mr Yaxley Lennon (son of Irish immigrants, football hooligan and two-bit thug). Then suggest there is something suspicious regarding his acquisition of a fake passport. Have you not just answered your own query? I will not be leaving my comfy armchair to support an organisation that marches under the flag of Israel (no offense Hymie). Mr Lennon may be spending his evenings getting his ‘ass rammed’ by jihadists, that is not my concern. Maybe it will teach him to take more care over whom he associates with.
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Posted by jamesUK on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:20 | # @uKn_Leo
All the British nationalists and those that they emulated in nationalist groups in Europe are former thugs and football hooligans who all talk big but when shit hits the fan like the London riots they were dominated by minorities and publically humiliated and forced to strip naked. Lol!
The problem is so bad British and Irish women are going to the US and the Caribbean to screw black guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVIknPTnDuI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsAg_yodQtU As for the passport: 1) Why would he need to travel on a fake passport? 2) Where did he get the fake passport from?
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Posted by uKn_Leo on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:39 | # You post that picture so often, you seem to like photos of young men in their underpants.
2) Where did he get the fake passport from? Don’t know. Don’t care.
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Posted by Dude on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:05 | # S Y-Lennon: charge sheet - http://bit.ly/zt4GKu Certainly not ideal, but not ridiculous. The situation surrounding the arrests of the EDL members and the growing oppressive measures in our country needs to be covered in a more mainstream way. The video of the EDL drunken oafs says it all. There is no mainstream libertarian organisation in this country who campaign against this. Liberty is useless, Privacy International, useless, Sean Gabb’s outfit is too small. To be seen to be neutral it is a pity there is not. Leftists moan about leftists being imprisoned, rightists about rightists and the ratchet still tightens. http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/13036 The best article on this is from an anti-Islamic American Jewess… http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/darkness_descending_in_england.html 45
Posted by Dude on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:19 | # In other news the New Statesman article Where now for the immigration debate? lasted a whole four days worth of debate before they suddenly pulled the comments with — “Comments on this article are now closed. Thanks for your contributions”. Caroline Crampton Mon, 2012-11-05 09:57 But the other recent article by this author was still open for debate over two months later. Wonder why? 46
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:56 | # In other news the New Statesman article Where now for the immigration debate? lasted a whole four days worth of debate before they suddenly pulled the comments ... But the other recent article by this author was still open for debate over two months later. Wonder why? The New Statesman commentariat went missing from both threads, and what there was put up a very poor show. One get’s the impression that virtually no one, even there, actually supports the current immigration process. 47
Posted by jamesUK on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:41 | # @uKn_Leo
It is a good visual manifestation of what the European, Australian and North American white population is. If you prefer I could post this image instead.
I am not sure if she was forced to strip naked or like the Irish whore I posted before in search of black cock. Russian TV Visits Multi-Cultural France - (English Subs) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnWmd8tqTTs
I have made my point and you have defeated your own argument.
How to you come to that logic? Organised crime invokes a degree of intelligence especially the ability to acquire a false passport in the wake of 9/11 and the Mossad hit in Dubai who used fake British passports. Hooliganism invokes images of unintelligent/uncivilised working class scum that constitute nationalist groups in Europe and North American with the exception of Zionist Jews. 48
Posted by Wandrin on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 06:50 | #
You’re in the collapse. It started in 2008. 49
Posted by "It's UKIP, UKIP, UKIP All The Way!" on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 09:36 | # Friends. As I see it, UKIP, is the last, best hope England has got. 50
Posted by uKn_Leo on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 09:40 | # @jamesUK Defeated what argument? English soccer firms are inextricably linked to organised crime. They have access to drugs, guns, fake documents of any kind including passports etc. This is hardly revelatory information. I’m not responding to you any more because you creep me out. There is something very wrong with you. 51
Posted by Bill on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:53 | # It’s UKIP, UKIP, UKIP All The Way! @ 49.
UKIP (UK Independence Party) has not inspired me to enquire much interest in them until I saw Farage’s Youtube antics in the EU parliament. Farage’s barrages aimed at the shape shifter Van Rompuy and his sidekick Brasso reminds me of the choreographed tag matches at Westminster. I hope I’m wrong. I like the look of Farage’s jib – but who knows? What do you think of him? Is UKIP Farage and that’s it?
I tend to agree, but our situation is so dire he could make a come back. Griffin coulda been a contender.
I dunno, I’m not so sure the bulk of our people take that much interest, I think it’s only the likes of the Telegraph commenter who is passionately anti EU. Most others would prefer to vote on ‘Strictly.’
Summing up. I think the best we can hope for is Farage and UKIP can kick-start a white survival conscience. Romney singly failed in this regard. Surprise-Surprise! The news from across the pond is calamitous news for us British. I’m not expecting the cavalry to come charging to our rescue any time soon. 52
Posted by daniels. on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:46 | # /.
However, I wonder if there might be a deep association in public consciousness in both a positive and a negative sense - worked on to date by enemies of European nativist nationalists. That is to say, people may tend to think of the right as making arguments such as “best man for the job, no other considerations are legitimate, irrespective of where they come from” Whereas the nativist left, an English (Scottish, Welsh and Irish) left, might be looked upon as unions, such that immigrants are scab union busters. Best and most appropriate for the job would be chosen from among native ranks.
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Posted by Thorn on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:36 | #
No Wandrin, the U.S.A is in decline. The decline actually began in the Seventies. That’s when the economy went global. The only reason we haven’t felt the full effect of the decline is we’re able to borrow our way into prosperity. As you know the heavy deficit spending began around 1982 under the Reagan Administration. Deficit spending along with cheap manufactured goods from China created a false prosperity. Of course this cannot continue. Sooner or later the dollar will decline to the point where those cheap Chinese goods won’t be cheap anymore. That coupled with virtually nobody left willing to buy our debt will reset the playing field. Austerity programs will abound. The standard of living for most Americans will descend back similar to what it was the 1930s and early 40s. Bank on it. Check it out. Scroll down to pic #20. Some of those kids came from families too poor to buy them shoes. White skin privilege indeed!
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Posted by Graham_Lister on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:50 | # @Danny Of course immigrants are are effectively “scab union busters” a now global pool of cheap labour to keep the natives ‘on their toes’. That’s why the Hayekian right is so beloved of them (and globalisation as such) even if it cannot state its case in such terms ‘in public’. Marx’s concept of a ‘reserve army of labour’ is not without some merit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_army_of_labour Expect screams of pain and insults of ‘ignorance’ from MR’s very own Hayekian liberal Mr. Leon Haller. But economics is but politics by a different name. Adam Smith (and in Marx) belongs to the tradition of political economy - a far better starting point to understand the relationships between economics, politics and ideology than the banalities offered up by ‘public-choice’ types and their pretentious claims of ‘scientific rigor’.
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Posted by daniels. on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:49 | # /. I am very glad that you can see the point. I’ll have a look at the link later. I guess there is no rule which says that some tools that have been used and abused by the enemy cannot be re-tooled for nativist interests. Though I had meant for the DNA essay to coordinate between natives and those looking to build European states afresh with newly ascertained common interests in an of an overall powerful union of Euro DNA Nations, it seems that having different forms of the Euro-DNA Nation(s) is already on the table -(I can’t say I didn’t almost expect that and it may be a good thing) it would reasonably follow that one form would focus on European natives’ territorial relations. I understand that the whole prospect might be too reductionist for you, but I had not meant for it to sum up everything - just rather as a tool for native Europeans in a literal and essential sense. 56
Posted by Bill on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:48 | # Thorn @ 53 Thanks for the photographs. Some camera. Awsome. Whenever I see such photos I always wonder what happened to the people depicted, what became of them? Life is so transient, what’s it all about? 57
Posted by Wandrin on Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:50 | #
Yes he has, look at the increasing racial polarization at the state level spreading out from the South.
The USA is in the process of collapse and as the only global superpower it will take a large chunk of the world with it. 58
Posted by Bill on Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:52 | # As a distant spectator and certainly lacking in the nuances of American politics, here’s my take. Surveying this morning’s Republican car crash and attendent stunned onlookers, I cannot help but feel a sense of finality has confirmed the suspicions of the more aware, a shiver down the spine moment, sort of. The penny has dropped (with a thud) as we say. For the less cognisant, there is an air of bewilderment perhaps, and can’t quite make it out, let alone the significance of it all. For many of them, they will never know what it’s all about. Auster gets it over at VoR. 59
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:23 | #
You’re welcome. For people that consider photography an art form, those pics would certainly qualify as such. And yes, I agree, Auster gets it. What we as whites are witnessing, is a U.S. of A. that has reached and past its demographic tipping point. I believe that point was reach somewhere around 2006. The election of a mixed-race Alinskyite community organizer Marxist as president 2008 made it all too obvious. From now on, if America continues to operate under the two party system, a “conservative” presidential candidate’s chances of winning are slim to none. It IS true that Republicans can still win in many Congressional districts but they will not win at the national level. As the demographic transformation continues apace it will be increasingly difficult to win at the state level too. That’s why the G.O.P. made gains in the House of Representatives but lost two seats in the Senate. Of course the “conservative intelligentsia” (with very few exceptions) completely ignored (or were too scared to speak against) the rapid demographic transformation taking place since the 1965 immigration act took effect. Pat Buchanan was one of the few exceptions. Of course he pays the price for it. Within the last year he was fired from his job a MSNBC due to what the bosses considered offensive, racist, and antiSemitic content in his most recent book: Suicide of a Superpower Of course they call Buchanan’s warnings racist and antiSemitic; we see it for what it is: irrefutable truth 60
Posted by uKn_Leo on Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:52 | # @Bill (et al) This documentary may be of interest. Racism in America: Small Town 1950s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OClYPCYAf7s&feature=related#t=3m09s 61
Posted by daniels. on Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:07 | # Thanks uKn_Leo, That was an amazing clip - the foresight of most of the White women and the duplicity the narrator.. 62
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:59 | #
. Okay Wandrin. Whether we use the word collapse or decline dosen’t really matter, the outcome of the process is almost certainly going to lead us into a bloody civil war. The citizens are SO ideologically polarized, I can’t foresee any compromise whatsoever. All I can say to my gringo allies is to take all necessary steps to prepare for what’s coming our way. On the coming civil war subject, here’s a must read piece:
Musings After Midnight—‘I wouldn’t bet a plug nickel for the survival of the United States of America’ http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com/2012/11/musings-after-midnight-i-wouldnt-bet.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here’s the indomitable Ann Barnhardt’s take:
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Posted by Leon Haller on Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:35 | #
Yes, you are fantastically, and worse, willfully, ignorant, at least of economics. That you could make a statement such as I have underlined bespeaks a level of ignorance that is shameful more than laughable. Why don’t you try reading Hayek? Start with something simple, like his late work The Fatal Conceit. Tell me what you find unpersuasive, and I will try to enlighten you. At least we would have the basis for intelligent disagreement. It is possible that between your interest in mereology, and mine in praxeology, something fruitful for nationalist theory could be developed. But you so obviously haven’t studied the Austrians (except perhaps at third hand through some of their socialist critics - this may not be obvious to many here, but it is to me as it would be to any educated Austrian School adherent) that my responding to your “snidery” would hardly be worth it. I am reminded of the YoungEarth crowd who reject geology without having studied any of it. You Dr. Lister are what you profess most to abhor: a genuine (anti-capitalist) ideologue. [And stop asserting that I’m obsessed with money. Studying Catholicism is not very remunerative. I am in fact rather unmaterialistic. I’m a conservative not too different from England’s Dr. Scruton. NO ONE who knows me and is a bit intellectually aware ever calls me a “neoliberal” - for one, my wholesale rejection of immigration, and skepticism wrt trade and outsourcing, precludes my being one. I support free markets for reasons of efficiency, civil society, military power and morality - economics, sociology, geopolitics and deontology.] 64
Posted by Bill on Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:03 | # @ 60 Couldn’t catch the name of the town in question in the video, (indistinct on my sound system) I’ll call it Whitetown. My views. I’m not wholly convinced that the content of this video is genuine. Perhaps I’ve become too cynical in recent years. For the purpose this comment I am assuming the video is genuine. This looked like an early TV style set-up, which would place it around c1953-55. The guy behind the desk came across as an emotionless fish, maybe an academic, or would he be a professional race stirrer, representing some organisation? I was waiting for one of the women to reply simply that they didn’t want to live side bye side with people who weren’t like them and didn’t look them. What would the man behind the desk made of that? The guy behind the desk simply couldn’t relate to the nay sayers, he couldn’t conceive of any reason to justify what he was hearing. I have read (across the ‘net) if the naysayers can’t hack it in the coming new order then it’s goodnight Vienna for them. No prisoners. Liberalism declares the desires of the individual will is non-negotiable. (Paramount, above all else.) So what happens when the individual will of the Myers clashes with the individual will of the residents of Whitetown? Rifle butts split heads. Not any longer, they slam you in jail on a hate crime rap. Is this the reason why our lives are micro managed within a legal barb wired ring fence? The guy behind the desk is now chief advisor of race relations to the CFR. His pilot scheme Whitetown has been fine tuned and has now been applied in every white nation on the planet. The guy behind the desk appeared in no hurry, 60 years on and he’s still ironing out the wrinkles. Do you think they would be so candid in their replies to-day? Never for moment lose focus. What is happening to us right now is no freak of nature, it is not a natural state of affairs for millions of third worlders from every nation imaginable to ups sticks and head for every white nation across the globe. What is happening to us is deliberate, it is intentional, there are two Jumbo jets filled to capacity arriving here in England every single day, the occupants heading to join the immigration queue. Money is no object to the backers of this criminal agenda, they can create as much money as they wish, the white world is being hosed with money to placate the natives for it is the welfare state which is the bait to lure the human herd into the stockyard. When the exits are bolted the narrative changes somewhat. To anyone who is in doubt as to the origins of what is happening to white people to-day, then this video should prove most prescient http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OClYPCYAf7s&feature=related#t=3m09s 65
Posted by Graham_Lister on Fri, 09 Nov 2012 20:05 | # Someone said: “Lots of assurances for the Myres rights were given by the man behind the desk in their pursuance of the American dream, but no rights for the whites of Whitetown, none, nada, zilch.. No right of freedom of association for them.” Freedom of association – what a very liberal concept. A real organic community that sustains itself over space and time is NOT the product of individuals deciding to ‘freely’ associate with each other as if nationhood is just another contract to be entered into by some like-minded individuals – or indeed resiled from should it be convenient do to so. Can we perhaps stop the habit of mind that the liberal concept of ‘freedom of association’ is somehow the cutting edge in critiquing liberalism? “If you believe that patriotism has a moral basis, if you believe that we have special responsibilities for the welfare of our fellow citizens, then you must accept the third category of obligation - obligations of solidarity or membership that can’t be reduced to an act of consent. . . With belonging comes responsibility. You can’t really take pride in your country and its past if you’re unwilling to acknowledge any responsibility for carrying its story into the present, and discharging the moral burdens that may come with it.” Michael Sandel from Justice: What’s the Right Thing to Do? And at the risk of repeating myself: For the philosophical communitarians, then, it is the cultural and historical heritage of individuals, their identities as “bearers of a tradition”, which provides the moral particularity essential for an authentic life. In MacIntyre’s account, it is the roles and attachments of one’s family, one’s profession, one’s city or nation, which incur “a variety of debts, inheritances, rightful expectations and obligations” that “constitute the given of my life, my moral starting point”. This theme is taken up by Sandel, who rejects what he refers to as liberalism’s depiction of a “deontological” self whose identity is never tied to its aims or attachments. He writes: “We cannot regard ourselves as independent in this way without great cost to those loyalties and convictions whose moral force consists partly in the fact that living by them is inseparable from understanding ourselves as the particular persons we are. ... Allegiances such as these … go beyond the obligations I voluntarily incur and the ‘natural duties’ I owe to human beings as such. They allow that to some I owe more than justice requires or even permits, not by reason of agreements I have made but instead in virtue of those more or less enduring attachments and commitments which taken together partly define the person I am”. A person without such constitutive attachments, Sandel continues, would be lacking in moral character and depth: “For to have character is to know that I move in a history I neither summon nor command, which carries consequences none the less for my choices and conduct. It draws me closer to some and more distant from others; it makes some aims more appropriate, others less so”. The “deontological self” which is the starting point to liberal contract theory is, by contrast, a self so bereft of character that it is incapable of self-knowledge, and therefore self-direction. Being “unencumbered” by its conception of the good, having no attributes and aims other than those it has voluntarily chosen, its enquiry into its own motives and ends “can only be an exercise in arbitrariness”. Sandel’s belief that “some relative fixity of character appears essential to prevent the lapse into arbitrariness which the deontological self is unable to avoid”, is shared by MacIntyre, who sees the work of Sartre as the epitome of this liberal individualism. Should we follow MacIntyre and dispense with Sartre’s existentialism for depicting “a self that can have no history”, that is “entirely distinct from any particular social role which it may happen to assume”, and that creates a human life “composed of discrete actions which lead nowhere, which have no order”? http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_communitarian_critique_of_liberalism_left_and_right By contrast ‘freedom of association’ is conceptually very thin liberal gruel, yes? Honestly, I wonder why I even bother. 66
Posted by daniels. on Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:41 | # /. By contrast ‘freedom of association’ is conceptually very thin liberal gruel, yes? Honestly, I wonder why I even bother. Graham, a couple things: The genetics we are born with are not freely chosen. Next, I think we can all agree that ideally we’d like for the ancient European nations to be inhabited by their own in excess of 95 percent. I think we can also all agree that it is not feasible for even appropriately matched genetic diaspora to return to the homelands en mass. What we are talking about then, when we talk about “freedom of association”, must be understood for what we are doing with the term in the context of diaspora, especially European American. Americans probably need to talk in terms that have some basis in The Constitution. Freedom of association provides a more descriptive and more cunning argument than rights (which is what Duke is promoting of late). That is so because it is talking in terms of social unions rather than individuality. We are talking about something like “the great escape”, we need to be a bit sneaky in how we present our arguments for separatism. I suppose we might talk in terms of communities, some American do, but it makes me cringe when I do hear it - sounds very corny and disingenuous; those who speak of community in the united States tend to be using an indirect means of speaking of a group, but it is an even less descriptive way of talking when aimed at our purpose of separatism. When you hear talk of “the Black community” or the “Gay community” or what? The vegan community…it simply does not sound like anything but academic babble. When you look at the megopolis around New York, where town after town bleeds into one another, spreading for miles into New Jersey, what community delimitations can there be? I can see a community in a hamlet nestled in mountains somewhere but.. In the context of America, freedom of association connotes separatism. More, it is understood, and we understand that the purpose is not arbitrary, it is a freedom to choose to be with people of kindred genetics. And as for those who might choose otherwise, we need the means to be free from the consequences of their behaviors; not to be forced to take their mulatto babies and their eventual destruction back into our “communities.” One of my initial objections to the scientific metaphor of the “laboratory of the states” is that it short circuits evolution and organic development in the way that I sense that you criticize: experiment, testing, lessons - these sorts of metaphors applied to our deep evolution are dubious, allowing for many a bad excuse that I am sure that you and MacIntyre have thought through. We should not want to make facile experiments of our evolution. That would be foolish. But that is happening against out will, and so we seek to defend and reverse the process. European Americans, known as Whites, are discriminated against as a people and need a broad stroke unionization in their defense that is not captured in the more particularistic notion of “community” to my understanding. The European American community in The USA? I am still not convinced that you are sufficiently empathetic with the American circumstance. You don’t want diaspora to return to Europe. I can agree that is largely unfeasible. What would you have them do, if they still value their European DNA? Allow themselves to be reformed as they have organically found the USA? As if its more organic routes to genuine communities have not already been trammeled by international capitalists and Jewish interests, etc? They should have just let the Jewish communists impose Blacks on then all White Levittown? BTW, Levittown’s planning was a Jewish prefab concept, affordable housing for returning G.I.‘s I don’t mind hearing communitarian suggestions. But please don’t try to tell White Nationalists to participate in any close way with non-Whites - the ones worth their salt don’t want it. Keith Preston seems to be pursuing this line of stealth - communities. I must say, he comes across as selling just more liberalism. But let me understand, to be sneaky or for real organic, we should not say we want freedom from association but rather that we want our community of particularly skilled or arrayed people who, just so happens do things that Blacks cannot. That might be convenient. What you might suggest? An ecological enclave of Scots tradesmen in diaspora - an endangered world heritage community. I’m not really being sarcastic. I am open to suggestions about what you’d have the European diaspora do if they do not want to mix with non European peoples: However, DNA is not an arbitrary and freely chosen basis. We respect its original connection to European lands and particular communities. That is not at issue. The matter is what you’d suggest for The Europeans in other parts of the world who want to continue on a genetically European trajectory. P.S. Years ago I read bits and pieces of MacIntyre. I remember being very appreciative of some of his conservatism. He has some good insights, but did not fully resonate with me. Perhaps your insights will change my mind. I see Sartre as having turned Heidegger on his head. Obviously Heidegger is the better philosopher. 67
Posted by Hale on Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:20 | #
I thought that was what you were for: freedom of association for Scottish nationalists or patriots i.e. Scots being free to associate exclusively among themselves on a specific piece of land. If that’s not it, what exactly is it? 68
Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 10 Nov 2012 01:21 | #
Real conservatives would of course agree with this. Ditto the nationalists. Of course, the issues are “what exactly constitutes our fellow citizens’ welfare?”, and, secondarily, “to what extent is government provisioning the proper mechanism for ensuring it?”. I might have profound “second-order” disagreements with Dr. Lister on those matters, but my economic “propertarian” views certainly do not originate in a foundational commitment to the liberal self, however much Dr. Lister obstinately or perhaps mischievously keeps ascribing such views to me. I believe in social solidarity and ‘belongingness’, too; it is the basis of patriotism. I have never subscribed to social contract models of society, nor do I accept any theory of a purported “deontological self” (a better phase is indeed “unemcumbered self”) - a radical individual born wholly free of any intrinsic obligations. What Christian believes that? For the Christian, man is inescapably born into a web of moral claims and duties to which he did not consent, but to which he must submit. My own aspirational future contribution to Christian political theory is (in one part) to demonstrate that preserving an intrinsically moral and genuinely progressive (not “Progressive”) civilization like the West is itself one of those ‘inborn’ moral obligations. Indeed, I have spoken in past years here at MR of multiculturalism and racial panmixia as forms of impiety - though no one ever much noticed it. I am strongly interested in the links between Christianity and political rightism, which includes not only race realism (aka “truth”), but also the moral justifications for particularist attachments. Of course I perceive that I owe a greater obligation of care, and even morality, to a fellow white man, than to just any random human being - which does not mean that the Christian race patriot can simply treat nonwhites as he pleases, as though only whites are moral beings. But there are gradations in moral treatment and concern, and race/nation is among them. I am NOT a foundational “liberal”. I am a conservative who places a high political value on individual liberty and the impartial rule of law, and who understands that free markets maximize wealth formation to a greater degree (much greater) than more controlled ones. Burke did not disagree with me - and he is a better guide to politics than a modernist Sandel who happens to hit upon a few political truths in his search for new and better justifications for egalitarian/socialist wealth redistribution (aka “institutionalized theft”). I’m starting to wonder why I bother ... 69
Posted by daniels. on Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:54 | # .../ It seems that the staw-man making proceeds apace over there. Ramzpaul claims that White Nationalists are racial purists and cannot deal with aspects of impurity, therefore “real people” will never go along with them. Straw man. Really dumb; but typical for Counter Currents now. He says that America has always been 10 percent Black and therefore it should be accepted; more, where you have races living in proximity there is going to be interbreeding and he does not have a problem with that. If talking about genetic interests, how would having ten percent Africans mixing with Euros end up over time? Clearly not good. Sorry, that’s dumb, Ramzpaul. I don’t care if it sounds good to Christian girls. Just because perfection many not be attainable in all places does not mean that you should make stupidity the guide. He wants to take the notion of prohibiting miscegenation as if it is proposed as legislation for Americans to vote on; and not, as it is meant, as an integral law for new White Nations. It is the 1950’s fetishists who want to believe that I am talking about segregationist laws - we are talking about separation, not the 1950s. His straw-manning may come from behind the scenes over there at CC. He associates Metzger as one who advocates people going into the streets in uniform. Of course that is the opposite of what he has been saying for about six decades now. He seems to be characterizing an activist such as myself as one who is hellbent to exclude someone who is 1/8 American Indian. Man, is that a stupid and destructive mis-characterization. I’m tired of Counter Currents staw-manning. Yes, I do think there should be some reserves for more pure types, but I readily provide for ways of dealing with the impure too. CC wants to say it is is vanguard, it is not. It is conservative, stupidly conservative, witness its trotting out garbage like this: only “freaks care about maintaining the genetics of our race.” He uses the old third person dodge, continually, “what people want.” What bullshit. Aren’t they so normal over there. What they really are: queers, jesus freaks, liberals and conservatives. Right. The New Right. The New failure. “Those who pursue racial interests in genetic terms are freaks.” Hungry Freaks, Daddy. http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/robert-stark-interviews-ramzpaul/ 70
Posted by jamesUK on Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:06 | # Michael Coren with Tommy Robinson - Jan 2/2012 - Part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7y8ITzw-KI Michael Coren with Tommy Robinson - Jan 2/2012 - Part 2 71
Posted by jamesUK on Fri, 30 Nov 2012 04:03 | # Britain’s number 1 political prisoner Tommy Robinson is STILL IN PRISON with supporters holding an international day of support for Tommy’s plight on 24th November.
http://englishdefenceleague.org/edl-news-2/1836-cry-freedom-vigils-for-tommy-across-europe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2wOIKfvUX4 New EDL leader Kevin Carroll talking about Tommy’s situation in regards to the actions of the British regimes. Kev Carroll Interview On Michael Coren Show Nov 20th 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpbglnPo3C0 I will be sure to post some of Tommy’s exclusive twitter feeds from inside the British Gulag where he is being held.
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Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:35 | #
Looks like a shoe-in for Obama.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/
I’ll stay out of this one but hopefully the Americans can provide some thoughts on their hopes, fears, analysis of the atmospherics of the American scene now and in the near future.
Is Obama now a clear symbol of the USA’s ‘post-Western’ status and the future demographic and cultural trajectory of the nation?
Is the melting pot still simmering away or on the verge of boiling over?
How much is internal ‘white flight’ an option?