Posted by calvin on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 03:28 | #

The English football team can draw 20,000 supporters for an international, does that mean the David Beckham should get to decide what the law of the land should be? How many British people are offended by gender discriminatory dress-codes, faith based superstition, bus bombs and racist murder?

Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:13 | #

Giving offense seems to be quite problem today: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006060530,00.html

Posted by Stanley Womack on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 07:33 | #

Non-European Caucasians…

We loved this sentence by Guessedworker, “I can’t help but wonder if non-European Caucasians aren’t altogether too excitable for boring old, unexciting Britain.”

We admire anyone bold enough to create new ways of talking & thinking, and certainly “non-European Caucasians” is novel. We’ve toyed with another expression for a sub-category of that term, i.e., “non-Arabic Semites,” and that has received mixed reviews. But we still like it.

We can lall earn from the US Census Bureau’s adoption of the negative phrase, “non-Hispanic whites.”

In regard to the cartoons, we need to keep in mind that it was the culture editor of the Danish newspaper who published what we call “hate caricatures.” The decision by Culture Editor Flemming Rose was clearly a calculated effort to throw just a little gasoline on the situation, and to promote a clash that paints Arabs, Persians, and Muslims as the New Nazis of our age, all needing de-nazification. Which is to say we must not lose sight of the fact that this was a planned provocation which the Arabs, Persians, and Muslims were only too ready to rise up about.

It’s About Supremacy…

Here’s our take on what’s going on (besides the implicit & horrifying call by Rose and his friends to kill young European American men & women in Iran). We believe that to slur someone (and certainly a hostile cartoon accomplishes that) is to name or describe that someone, and when it is between cultural groups, namely Rose and his friends on the one hand, and the Muslims on the other, it is clearly based on a claim of supremacy.

No matter how the outrage is discussed, the fundamental fact is that Rose & his friends were claiming the right to name and describe the Other. The Other often responds to this with outrage. We are unaccustomed to the Other rising up because we have lost the energy in Christendom to respond to the tidal wave of hatred thrown at us by Hollywood & Manhattan, but the Arabs, Persians, and Muslims have not.

By the way, Flemming Rose, to take the heat off, announced that he would print Holocaust-bashing cartoons, and has now retracted that announcement. Yes, something is rotten in Denmark.

Stanley Womack
http://www.ResistingDefamation.org

PS: Apologies for the Americano-centric nature of this message.

Posted by Amalek on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:43 | #

Something certainly is rotten, Mr Womack—in Denmark and elsewhere.

But the grumbly old men of MR, as usual, are more interested in

assailing the disease than investigating the proximate cause of it. I

expect in ten or twenty years’ time we will be reading that Mossad had a

big finger in this pie. But you’re not allowed to say so too often round

here, or Guessedworker—who readily uses our enemies’ weasel words

such as ‘antisemitism’ and ‘Islamofascism’—will never become the

Jared Taylor of the Telegraph-reading classes.

Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:59 | #

Which is to say we must not lose sight of the fact that this was a planned provocation which the Arabs, Persians, and Muslims were only too ready to rise up about.

And the reaction has the Mossad’s fingerprints all over it.

Posted by Al Ross on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:09 | #

Oh dear. The Other. That’s just what Edward Said. And the pseudo-Palestinian obviously cozened the likes of you. Well in that case there is no help for you,or indeed anyone else who,in their sophomoric imaginings, entertains the possibility that, because one is White it is impossible to discern the cultural underpinnings of Niggers et al.

Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:39 | #

> grumbly old men of MR,

That’s “respectable grumbly old men of MR” for you, Mr. Amalek.

Ah, respectability in an age of desecration,

Anyway, MR rights has its own niche I suppose.  I enjoy reading the blog.

Posted by Calvin on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:16 | #

Contrived Offense

It’s a game. The neo-cons have instigated it, but the Muslims are quite capable of contriving events in order to participate in stage managed protests. In Glasgow a few days ago Muslims invaded a Catholic school service to remove Muslim children. My nephews attend a Catholic school. Like all Catholic schools in the UK it is aroun 40% non-Catholic. Every parent is informed of impending religious services and offered alternatives for those who do not wish their children to participate. No Muslim children ever attend a Catholic service without their parents consent. The Muslims sent their children to this service in order to interrupt it as part of a campaign to force the School to convert from a Catholic to a Muslim school. The campaign is being led by Glasgow councilor and “moderate” Muslim Bashir Ahmed. Flemming Rose and other neo-cons who want a conflict with Islam should be parachuted into Iran with an M16.

Posted by Al Ross on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:57 | #

When I was growing up in Scotland, it was made clear to me by my mainstream Conservative parents that the existence of taxpayer-funded Catholic schools was the unfortunate result of pork-barrel politicking by the Labour Party and that the concept of sectarian education wasnt to be entertained at any price.
The arrival in Scotland of so many unwanted Muslims has changed my views and, until such times as they can be ‘persuaded’ to leave, I support tax-funded segregated schools for these harbingers of collapse and decay.

Posted by Amalek on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:44 | #

Geoff Beck: “Anyway, MR rights has its own niche I suppose”

Indeed it has. High up on the shelf, gathering dust.

Calvin: “It’s a game. The neo-cons have instigated it, but the Muslims are quite capable of contriving events in order to participate in stage managed protests.”

Absolutely. What we have been lumbered with, on *our* manor, is a bunch of godless semites poking a bunch of godly semites with a sharp stick until they can be made to look foolish. What the hell has any of this to do with our world? Why is MR taking sides like the dumbest of shabbos goyim instead of crying ‘a plague on both your houses’? Because MR’s full of grumpy old suckers.

Posted by Matra on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:08 | #

Calvin:

The neo-cons have instigated it, but the Muslims are quite capable of contriving events in order to participate in stage managed protests.

Yes, the whole cartoon crisis in Denmark had died down but then “Danish” imam Abu Laban led a delegation of fellow Muslims to the Middle East and passed around more explicit pictures than those published by Jylland-Posten.  Lacking the strength to make the host population surrender Abu Laban decided to call in reinforcements from the rest of the Muslim world. Heterogeneous societies will always have these ethnic agitators and fifth columns.

Posted by Stanley Womack on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:12 | #

Amalek’s “godless semites poking a bunch of godly semites with a sharp stick until they can be made to look foolish” just about says it all.

Interesting how the same quarrels are fought over and over between branches of the same family.

Pity on the poor souls who will be entangled into fighting and dying over this.

Stanley

Posted by J Richards on Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:38 | #

Amalek,

Who are you calling grumpy old men?  I am 30-years-old; Steve Edwards, Alex Zeka and possibly some others are likely younger than me. 

I don’t think that Guessedworker is trying to become another Jared Taylor or attempting to make MR more like Amren.  There is more freedom at MR (e.g., unmoderated comments) and also a stronger emphasis on science.  If I didn’t have a full-time job and family to deal with, I would have added a lot more scientific content by now.  Anyway, there is no reason for us to strongly focus on the JQ when there are other sites that do this. 

Muslims surely need to be addressed at MR.  This site was started by Englishmen, and given the large number of Muslims in England, it would be remarkable if a site interested in preserving Western culture failed to address Muslims and Islam in the West.

Posted by Lars on Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:26 | #

Muslim: Respect for me but not for thee.

People need to wake up to the dangerous ideology of Islam.

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:38 | #

JR,

Amalek, the Jew-hater, is an agent provocateur.  He has posted here as “Asian Boy”, writing among other things such comments as this:-

Very good white boys, I am an Asian! Glad to see you cretins finally figured that one out, too bad this can’t be said for any of the other comments I made. It’s quite amusing to come back here and see you chimps having your panties bunched over some comments I made—what’s the matter white boys? Can’t face facts? (It doesn’t surprise me that you idiots were unable to refute any of them.) Any white boy who frequents this forum is himself an argument for genocide. White genocide, that is.

Who he is or what ethnicity he is he refuses to say.  What he wants at MR is to create as much trouble as possible.  Those here who find his arguments interesting should exercise, therefore, caution.  His true interests are unknown and his actual attachment to what he writes is deeply suspect.

I will not ban him, just as I did not ban Asian Boy.  Rather, I would like to find out more about him.

Posted by Calvin on Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:11 | #

As regards the “JQ”, Flemming Rose is a Jew with neo-con connections; neo-cons are the architects of a pro-Israeli American foreign policy; a significant number of prominent neo-cons are Jewish (hardly surprising); a pro-Israeli agenda is sometimes incompatible with what’s in the best interests of Europeans and Euro-Americans. Not all Jews are neo-cons, or zionists, but when there is a conflation of agenda and ethnicity, it’s not anti-semitic simply to notice it. I think we have a problem with reverse causation. Just because Frankfurt School Jews thought that they were acting in the interest of all Jews, does not mean that the FS was acting with either the approval, or knowledge of all Jews. If all Jews had know of the FS campaign would they have given their support? I’ve no idea, mabey they would have, but we don’t know do we, so implying that they would tends to invalidate any critique of the FS.  We have to draw attention to the chain of connections. Screaming “jew” draws attention to a factor which in isolation from other factors is insignificant and gives grounds for dismissing your argument as “racist”. Dont let your opponents dictate the modalities of the debate. The first rule of warfare in ancient Rome was, never let the enemy army choose the field of battle.