A test of political maturity

Posted by Guessedworker on Wednesday, 22 June 2016 03:29.

This is my final assessment of the state of play in the British EU Referendum campaign.

For all intents and purposes, Britain’s EU referendum was won for freedom and democracy by the morning of 16th June 2016.  Three months of exposure of the arguments of each side had produced a poll lead for Leave of up to ten points and growing.  The Leavers were exuding confidence, even issuing a list of new laws to be made in the brave new political world which would follow the vote.  There was no way back for the denizens of the political Establishment.  They had had their say.  They were beaten, and they knew it.

Then, at 1.00 pm in a street in the old West Yorkshire wool town of Batley a mentally ill man attacked and killed a woman named Jo Cox, and the scattered forces of Remain found hope and a meme to exploit as shamelessly and cynically as would be required to restore their fortunes.

Batley, it should be noted, has a South Asian population of around 33% in the west part of the town and 54% in the east.  The dead women was, as a modern Labour MP, completely sold on the dispossession of Batley’s natives.  She was no political “good thing”.  She had ”campaigned tirelessly” for that sine qua non of the liberal moral sensibility, economic migrants ... sorry, refugees.  For example, the only obvious evidence of her concern for children seems to be of that very ilk.  Concern for local white children subjected to the predations of Asian gangs seems not to have been high on her saintly agenda.  It is, after all, only the humane not to say fashionable way.  Every one of us must forcefully denounce “racism” and “hate”, and must “love” more or less anyone an awful lot and exhibit boundless “compassion” for the rest at virtually every waking moment.  Not to mention, of course, that we have to “be together” at this crucial time.  Well, yes actually, let’s mention it.  Ad nauseum.

Well, I’m certainly sick of it, anyway.

To those of us who can think independently of the faux-virtue machine, and see it for the power play it is, the news that public support for Remain had surged again and, according to some post-Batley polling, could lead Leave by anything up to five points, was all too depressing.  But no one could be surprised, least of all us nationalists, who know better than most the way this works.  But now, on the eve of the vote, do the polls definitively say this?  Well, the latest two do not, one having Leave ahead by a couple of points and the other having Remain ahead.  We are, it would seem, right back in the “too close to call” scenario.

It’s just that I, for one, can’t quite believe it.  OK, I can grant that the political coterie is split pretty much fifty/fifty – something that struck me at the very beginning when various MSM journalists who had been annoying me for years with their slavish adherence to the politically correct, and who I had written off as craven Tory-boys or Establishment liberals, were suddenly freed by their editors to write OPs revealing themselves as perfectly sympatico raging europhobes!  Even their employers are a divided constituency.  The Daily Mail, the Telegraph, The Sun, and the Express have declared for Leave while The Times, the Mail on Sunday, The Guardian, the Mirror, and the Indy (website only) are rooting for Brussels.  But their readers?  All the indications on-line are that they break something like 70/30 for Leave.  The regionals report even heavier reader support for Leave.  And while the broadcast media are required by law to strive for neutrality (although many a Brexiteer will have judged them to have failed), victory in all the live debates between the big beasts of the respective campaigns has been called for Leave.  The final such event, before a boisterous London audience of almost 6,000, was aired last evening by the BBC.  Boris Johnson seems to have stolen the headlines.

So what are we to believe will happen on the great day?  It seems likely that the Jo Cox factor may have a more limited impact than the Remain cynics hope – limited in part because, beyond the left-media bubble, the evensong of the dippy-liberal church of global love doesn’t actually touch the experience of people for whom this, say:

... is a more pressing consideration; but also because the resumption of the campaign on Sunday has re-focused the public's attention on the actual issues, and all the positive noises ... the messages of hope rather than fear ... are still coming from Leave. The British electorate has the choice of giving itself up to a media-manufactured hysteria about Jo and the murderous “far right” of Brexit, or a cold, hard think about the world it wants its children to inherit, and a return in consequence to the mature decision-making which was in train before Tommy Mair made his doleful mark on history. Is it capable of the latter? That is really the question.

A week or so ago there were rumours swirling around that Electoral Commission sampling of the embargoed postal vote, undertaken to monitor for fraud, had revealed a great preponderance of Leave votes. There is no way of knowing whether this is an invented story. But there simply isn't any popular legend of Remain enthusiasm to say otherwise ... nobody writing on the threads of all the friends, neighbours, workmates straining at the bit to get to the polling booth and make their mark for Mr Juncker. Beyond the ministrations of the pollsters there is literally no indication that anything other than a landslide for Leave is awaiting the government.

Early yesterday morning, No.10 issued a press call in Downing Street. David Cameron walked out to the lectern and delivered a completely bland address, adding absolutely nothing to what we already know. Various hard-bitten journos were aggrieved. What was that all about, they asked each other. What were they supposed to write? The press call, of course, became the story. Was it a panicky reaction to some private polling data? It didn't feel like the confident move of a man who knows he is on the verge of a comfortable victory.

Later in the day, the No.10 press office let it be known that the Prime Minister will be seeking to negotiate with his EU colleagues for more controls on free movement. But we have been here before. Free movement is an absolute fundamental of the Lisbon Treaty, and something that Angela Merkel had told Cameron was firmly off the agenda well before his breathless and widely-panned renegotiation back in February.  The man is reduced to ill-considered, reactive sound-bites.  He has nothing left to say, and with each attempt to say something, he only loses what credibility he had in the first place.  The real argument, of course, was lost long ago.

All the small, insistent signs are of a mighty Leave victory.  The cynics have had their shot.  The political canonisation of Jo Cox is not going to save them.  On Friday morning, and on all the mornings after, we nationalists will have a new political horizon to contemplate as we look for the path that leads to our politics.



Comments:


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Posted by Nxx on Wed, 22 Jun 2016 11:24 | #

Danger always strikes when everything seems fine.
-The Seven Samurai


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Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:34 | #

I can only tell it as I see it.  I have checked several times for rose-tinted glasses.  If one proceeds from the supposition that the pollsters are infallible, then yes, I am wearing a particularly strong prescription.  But I just don’t see how the polls are capturing the huge energy and motivation of the Leavers, their optimism, their damned good impersonation of ubiquity, if that’s what it is.  Can that all be an illusion easily nullified by the forces of “dull but sane” Remain.  I mean, this morning I had to sign the company accounts at our auditor’s offices.  Even our accountant, as dull and sane as anybody I know, is voting Leave.

There was a danger for a time in the ruthless politicisation of Jo Cox’s murder.  But the Remainers just didn’t have what it would have taken to coerce the narrative on us and keep it running for six whole days.

I will be voting tomorrow morning with my family.  I will open a running post here and, if the news breaks tolerably well for us, keep it going through the night or as long as it takes for the result to become clear (subject, of course, to nodding off occasionally in front of the TV).


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Posted by Nxx on Wed, 22 Jun 2016 16:50 | #

Something Strange Emerges When Looking Behind The “Brexit” Bookie Odds

When one looks at the actual dynamics within the bookies, an odd divergence emerges. As Shaddick said, when looking at the underlying flows determining bookie odds, there is a very clear divergence when it comes to number of bets versus the amount of any given bet: “Although Ladbrokes has received a higher volume of bets to leave the EU, those making a punt on remain were placing higher financially larger. Shaddick revealed the average stake on a bet to remain was £450, compared to £75 on a bet to leave.”

In other words, a few large bettors are skewing the bookie odds dramatically in the favor of Remain, even as the mass of bettors is betting on Leave, albeit with smaller cash amounts. Another way of putting it: a substantially outsized influence by a wealthy minority over the poor majority, just like in every other aspect of life.

Moments ago Ladbrokes confirmed as much when it pointed out that while the probability of Brexit remains at only 24%, two thirds or 62% of all bets being placed today are for Leave, the same as yesterday.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-22/something-strange-emerges-when-looking-behind-brexit-bookie-odds


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Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 22 Jun 2016 22:07 | #

Guido ran a piece a couple of weeks ago on a William Hill report that 73% of the total money bet with them was on Remain but 71% of bets were for Leave.  It is the same general picture we’ve seen elsewhere.  The numbers invariably break heavily for Leave.  Where do the pollsters get their support for Remain?  Because nobody has spoken of encountering it out in the big, wide world - excepting among immigrant populations, two-thirds of which want the status quo, we are told.


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Posted by Remain campaign out of touch on Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:04 | #

Euractiv, “Remain campaign out of touch with the British public”, 23 June 2016:

                 
Cameron may loose the support of his party if he tries to form closer ties with Brussels (Drop of Light/Shutterstock).

Given the enormous implications of the EU referendum on the UK economy, many are legitimately questioning David Cameron’s leadership and more specifically the effectiveness of the Remain campaign, writes Tom Parker.

Tom Parker is Chief Executive of Cambre Associates, Board Member of the SEC Group and Vice President of the British Chamber of Commerce in Belgium.

D-day has arrived and with the latest polls still split, we are no closer to knowing how the British public will decide to vote on its future in or out of the European Union (EU)

[...]

Yes, the immigration issue emerges large in the discussion but other considerations also seem to have a bearing on people’s sentiment as to whether the UK should stay: The fact that the citizens of many other member states are also disenfranchised with the EU; the fact that if we still want to access the single market, we will need to pay in without influence; the fact that any future trade agreement the UK enters into (now as a much smaller trading partner) will have an impact on UK sovereignty.

All of this sadly suggests that the In campaign has not done its homework and has run a campaign speculating about what people care about and what will shape their opinion, rather than undertaking detailed research to have a fuller picture of the lie of the land.

Had the campaign been run properly, a fuller exercise of “micro-targeting” should have been carried out, examining in detail what influences different subsets of the population (by geography, age, sex, race, socio-economic status…), in order to define arguments and messages that specifically address people’s concerns, and who knows even underpin a bolder, more positive narrative for staying in the EU.

Of course time will tell and in less than 24 hours Remain may still come out the winner.

However, when the stakes are so high, any serious campaigner, whether running a political or communications campaign, should properly do their homework and carry out detailed research to ensure messages are based on what you know works, rather than what you think works.


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Posted by Bill on Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:24 | #

Incoherent Thoughts for today.

It is my contention that the overwhelming voting public setting out to vote today have absolutely no idea of what the EU and Mass Immigration is all about.  They simply don’t have a clue.  What’s more, no-one in the public arena is ever going to enlighten them.  For the gazillionth time, nobody’s telling it like it is.  Why is it we continue investing our hopes and dreams in a system that’s simply corrupt and doesn’t deliver?  If the PTB thought for one moment the herd could influence the elite’s machinations they wouldn’t have allowed it in the first place.  So why have they given us Brexit?

Well before Brexit kicked off the BBC, (media) wasted no time in securing the narrative and staking out the parameters of what views were deemed acceptabl.  (Same –Same old nothing new there then).  It was soon apparent to me Brexit was to be a repeat performance of the last election, where the BBC openly stated beforehand the thrust of the narrative was to be the effects on the economic welfare of the plebs, all else was off limits.  Do you know what?  It worked like a charm.  Immigration?  What immigration?  Move along there.

The media conversation, as always, is in one direction from them to you, ensuring millions of voters like yourself are left without voice in reply.  The mantra is set out in stone, economics, economics, economics.  Similarly with the recent Scottish Independence referendum, where the media, sensing things weren’t going their way closed all watertight doors with what is now being termed as project fear.  Within sight of the tape the Scots were winning, only to be hobbled by an all-out offensive of project fear.

In my opinion, by law, the BBC (MSM) should not be allowed anywhere near such things as elections and referenda.  Nearly three generations of cradle to grave BBC have reduced the British public to hollowed out brainwashed wrecks - and simply not capable of independent thought.  Most of the voters voting today will not be analysing and distilling their own thoughts but simply regurgitating what the media has inculcated into their psyche.  Huxley opined, in future times, the masses would learn to love their servitude.  Think about it as you stare glass eyed into the screen.

Somewhere along the path of history of television it has been transformed,  hi-jacked by the unscrupulous for their own agenda, thus giving them undreamt of power and influence.  Many times I have asked myself who and why did they give us television, plus wall to wall Local Radio?  The winner of today’s Brexit will be political correctness, for such is the power and stranglehold of political correctness in guiding the discourse in favour of the MSM genuine transparent concerns are off limits, therefore rendering the whole thing a farce.

Who will be the winner?  The undisputed winner of today’s Brexit will be Political Correctness, for such is the stranglehold of power in our land open enquiry of truth is strictly off limits.  The inevitable outcome being, the media has reduced the whole Brexit thing into a Three Ringed Circus.


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Posted by Bill on Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:02 | #

Brexit.

Until Brexit, could it be construed the British people have been doing it to themselves?


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 16 Jul 2016 21:20 | #

We are a people betrayed, Bill.  In so much as we voted against our ruling class - and we did - we understand that.  But I am not convinced that our rulers understand it.  From the very moment Theresa May commenced her new job, in her very first speech, she wrongly presumed that the problem is to do with us not getting a fair share of the economic recovery, so called.  She thinks that “equality”, cash and trinkets are the answer to an existential question.  She thinks we will lose interest in matters of life, power, freedom (which are, after all, not for us little people to meddle in).  It is on a par with the Referendum campaign offer by her class of cheaper mobile roaming charges.  They can’t talk seriously about race and race-replacement, because just the act of talking will pull the roof in.


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Posted by Bill on Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:14 | #

GW.

I agree almost word for word, but have fleshed out my response a tad to illustrate my thinking.  In truth I suppose this question was in a way rhetorical, but thanks anyway.

Our political elite think economic security trumps all and so base their election strategy solely on economic considerations, thereby election strategy is based on the auction premise where everyone has their price.

As you say, our political class cannot imagine or even begin to imagine, immigration is the central cause of their demise.  Even post Brexit, they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge, nay, cling blindly to the idea Brexit for them was neoliberalism and the machinations of the bankers.

Mass immigration in the eye of the majority transcends party politics but the political elite plough blindly on, dismissing our concerns as irrelevant.  As you say, they can do no other for to do so their edifice would crumble.

Referring to my question whether the British people up to Brexit had been doing it to themselves is left unanswered, is there a case for saying they have indeed prolonged the agony?  Had the voting British people taken the opportunity to register their total resistance to mass immigration, then I think today, we would be in a much different place.

For years I’ve looked on at election times and simply been nonplussed as to why millions of our people have voted for the very people who have been visiting this carnage on us.  Turkey’s voting for Christmas trope is most apt.  For many decades in British politics there has always been a legitimate option for the voters of Britain to register their protest against immigration (National Front - BNP - EUKIP) but each time, no matter how bad things became, millions of us voted voted blindly for the same old   political faces.

What was so different about Brexit?  Nothing had really changed, or had it?  Was it a case of Worse is Better?  Did Brexit vindicate the Worse is Better meme?  This is something I personally have clung on to down through the years.  But it’s taken its time in getting here.

An important factor in the Brexit conundrum was the exiteers could identify with a leader, not only one leader but three, how much of a factor was this to the voters who, after all had had their interests decapitated years ago.  I suggest it made a great difference.

I well remember the not too distant Newark by-election when EUKIP were on a surge.  Did the good people of Newark get behind Farage to show the elites what they really thought?  No they didn’t, they voted solidly for the same old-same old.  I was gobsmacked I just couldn’t take it in.

So I ask the question again.  “Up until Brexit could it be said the British people were doing it to themselves?”  I am not for one moment here suggesting the British people were actively supporting mass immigration per se, that would be silly, but how can one explain why they repeatedly supported the political status quo, as they did.

As a postscript I cannot help but visualise our illustrious media reminding us as a nation, over the years in times of stress, must dig deep within ourselves and find that bulldog spirit which has served us so well.  What a joke, our people couldn’t even summon the courage to place an illiterate X on a ballot paper.

You know, I can’t help thinking I’ve been had.


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Posted by Tired of the BBC's BS on Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:01 | #


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Posted by Bill on Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:53 | #

The BBC is already sewing seeds to reverse the Brexit result, 12 months should do it.  Piece of cake.


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Posted by Ryan on Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:56 | #

Yep, at every turn the BBC and rootless-left newspapers are putting out stories at every opputunity to delegitimise the democratic Brexit vote from multiple angles.

- It’s not constitutially binding…
- What people really want is for renegotiations…
- People were misinformed... (aka did not vote the way the establishment wanted)
- Brexit had anti-immigration sentiment which led to ‘hate’ so by our implicit, democratic logic it is now void… (aka if you go against us we will just ignore you)
- Support for ‘leave’ was a higher among less [formally] educated people therefore they are…arr…um…to thick to have a say… (as compared to indoctrinated ‘gradates’)
- Brexit politicians (Farage and Johnson) are backing away so the votes of 52% of the voting electorate is irrelevant…
- Support for Brexit was highest amongst the older population therefore it is void because they will not be around to face the consequences…


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Posted by Bill on Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:58 | #

Post Brexit

http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/16266/

Postmodern relativism has been adopted by the progressives and elevated to the top tiers of Liberal hegemony.

Postmodern relativism has destroyed rationality.  Rational discussion can no longer take place.  That’s why people are always saying it’s crazy, it’s insane, it’s turned our world upside down.  You can’t say that!  Nothing works anymore.  Meaning has no meaning anymore.

The nature of man is being irrevocably changed.  As each day passes natural man is becoming more distant.  If modernity is infinitely progressive - is it the end of humanity?

Civilisations must have order in order to function.

Heck, let me out of here, I’m no philosopher, what the hell do I know?


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Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:04 | #

Bill, you have gone some way to answer your question as to whether we are to blame for our own failure to vote for change, prior to this Referendum.  I don’t know what, in general terms, I can add to your comment that will serve any useful purpose.  Perhaps just to say that, as we are today, we are but puny beings, and not masters of our own minds, without which mastery we cannot rule ourselves or those who should serve us, or those who trespass against us.  There are many in our political world who think such mastery a matter of vulgar self-assertion.  It is the Nietzschean deceit that a slave must visit an audacious, prescribed brutality on the world to prove to himself that he is no longer enslaved, while he remains in every sense a slave to others’ ideas and interests and not his own.  Perhaps, if he were to come into his own majority, he would be a brutaliser.  Perhaps he would be creatively generous with his enemies instead.  More likely, he would be neither the one nor the other, but something of both.  But at least he would be himself, which perfectly normal estate is the highest condition of ethnic Man.

The next question you might ask is: how does this come to pass?


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Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 22 Jul 2016 03:35 | #

This is Nietzsche/NS in a nutshell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShUpQVPHr5Q


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Posted by Bill on Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:13 | #

Is Jeremy Corbyn mimicking Donald Trump inasmuch Trump is also giving voice to the the abandoned working class?

Are the inherent fault lines in the Neoliberal/Global - Cultural Marxist/ liberal unholy alliance crumbling?

Trump/Corbyn whoda thunk it?

Morgoth is saying something similar over at Alternative Right.

http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2016/07/rust-never-sleeps.html#disqus_thread



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