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Bang Roosh I thought the most interesting comment in and around Greg Johnson’s article, Roosh Really is a Rape Advocate (& a Rapist, if He’s Telling the Truth), was Greg’s own, in regard to the woman in Iceland who Roosh claimed to have sex with despite the fact that she was so drunk as to be incapacitated from consenting or not. Greg said that if she agreed to have sex with him the next morning that not only did that not mean she had not been raped the night before, but that consent afterward made it only worse for the fact that it could promote the idea that such behavior would have happy endings (with enough repetitions, it would not have happy endings). I would like to add that I can well imagine that in a circumstance like that, a woman can agree to have sex with him the next morning and again in an attempt to reinterpret the relationship and her own agentive part in her mind, because it would be too painful to believe that she was violated in a profound way and had no agency. Thus, she might try to go with the idea of superimposing a relational level and her agency retroactively to reframe what was an instance of non-consent if not rape in that episode - re-framed under “a dating relationship with a ‘bad boy’ whose wild side I should be able to handle, being an independent woman and all.” Long story short: she could have been raped even though she consented afterward - and a woman might act that way because she is insufficiently conscious of her interests and/or perhaps cannot handle the idea of the best and most important gift that she had to offer having been taken by the person treating her the worst - a con-man rapist who cared nothing for her as a person or on a relational level. Speaking of which, that is what makes Roosh so disgusting. This sand ****** said it was his objective and continues to be his objective to have sex with as many beautiful woman as possible - and that he has been teaching men to do that as well. His response to antagonists in the media is that he will accumulate as many more women as he can.
This was my first occasion to hear and see Roosh V. speak. I must say that I am negatively impressed - his attitude, his mannerisms, his way of speaking - bopping, swaying and grooving - his motives and his way of arguing are either entire affectations of black people or his middle eastern background is more n****rish than I had realized. One thing is certain, he does not think and act like a European man and nobody should respect him as a model as such. He is a sand-wigger. It is no wonder that he is trying to teach White men how to act like n****rs and Muslims - and to have as much respect for White women as a n****r or Muslim would. Nor is it a wonder that he would now try to take cover under a position of Abrahamic religion - that he is promoting a traditional Muslim model of gender arrangements for all. Neither he, nor the males he teaches, are cultivating a way to pursue relationships with women that they care about, confirming and reconstructing views and European ways that are important, in fact vital to them. No, just the technique to pander to the universally lowest common denominator of their basest instincts and reconstructing that, while going through their cautionary barriers, including White national barriers, and discarding them. Who does he think he is to target White women - in as many numbers as possible - with his Negroid/Muslim mentality? And who got the idea that it was Ok for him to target White women and others and pursue alpha n****r behavior? Would this sand ****** talk and have people act this way to his sister, Iranian and Armenian women?
“At that moment I accepted the idea of getting locked up in a Polish prison to make it happen.” It would be nice if that happened - I could picture Roosh being held down and fucked by a few giant Polish queers in jail: “It took four hours and at least thirty attempts to push into his ass: ‘no, Roosh cried, no!’ until the large, very large penis was finally allowed to enter and stretch Roosh’s asshole to his great pain. Ooh the giant faggot sighed upon the most satisfying ejaculation into Roosh’s asshole, you are the finest little bitch! I just know you’ll come back to give me some skull in the morning - - I think your mouth IS big enough!” Better still, stay the fuck out of Poland and all of Europe, sand-******. Only a wigger could admire this guy and find him appealing. He has no place anywhere near WN. Quite the opposite.
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Posted by Harry Sanders on Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:39 | # There is a much much larger list of the many documented actual rapes that Daryush Valizadeh the serial rapist admits to himself: The first of the very many girls that Roosh V describes raping: “While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.” The second: “I got down her bra and panties, but she kept saying, “No ! No !” At that moment I accepted the idea of getting locked up in a Polish prison to make it happen. I put her on her stomach and went deep, pounding her pussy like a pedophyle.” 3rd girl that Roosh V describes raping: “It took four hours and at least thirty repetitions of “No, Roosh, No !” The sex was painful for her” “The True Nature of Women” – by RooshV “Within every woman on this planet, regardless of her education or background, is a bitch, a cunt, a slut, a golddigger, a flake, a cheater, a backstabber, a narcissist and an attention whore” “6 Qualities Of A Good Rape” – by RooshV “I just saw the movie 300, which had an awful rape scene — it didn’t arouse me at all. Here is what makes a good rape: The key to a good rape scene is seeing the girl change from hating it to loving it. She has to want to be raped again.” “I did not get aroused during that scene, like I normally do when watching rape.” Observe that there are other police reports against him, and he straightly lies when he says that nobody got hurt… he knows very well You can read also the new Daily Mail article which exposes another 2 of his rapes: ‘When No Means Yes’: ‘Roosh the Douche’ admits to ‘using muscle’ to hold women down during sex 3
Posted by Harry Sanders on Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:53 | # Also it is important to note that there are several Police reports against Daryush Roosh Valizadeh. He silenced through intimidation, rape threats, death threats and harassment multiple women to talk against him: Roosh V found some of her nude photos, and went after her online. “He posted it and incited people to wonder if they would sexually assault me, saying that he would.” she says. “I received a lot of death and rape threats on Facebook, online, on his forum, my nude pictures have been posted everywhere.” Nix has pressed charges against him with the Montreal police.
“When No Means Yes” Roosh V blog and his rape guides “Here’s a guide: “No!” when you try to take off her jeans or shirt means… “Yes! You need to turn me on a lot more.”
“How Many No’s Does It Take To Enter A Vagina?” Roosh V blog and “Best of Roosh volume 1” rape guide “It will be rare that you have sex with a girl who gives you no resistance before sex. You will Receiving a “No!” simply begins the seduction process. Therefore when you first try to take off her clothes, she will resist even though she may I haven’t measured how many average “No!”’s I received before banging, but sometimes it surpasses I also get three or four “No!”’s when it comes time to sex. If you With one of my more recent seductions American Girls Don´t Use Condoms Anymore by Rooshv “Middle class white girls are, hands down, the dirtiest, filthiest type of girl I’ve been with. Most of them only care about using condoms for the first instance of sex, and a sizable percentage don’t even care if you use one at all for that first time, whether or not it’s a one-night stand where she has only known you for a couple hours. Raise your hand if you’re scared of AIDS. I don’t see many hands out there. The only people scared these days are OCD freaks who can’t get laid, because it’s just not on the radar anymore. It’s a way they can rationalize their miserable, sexless existence. I even sense that a lot of people have accepted they’ll contract HIV at some point in their lives. Girls have told me in sweet embrace that I probably have it, but are willing to bang without a condom anyway. If I was as dirty as them, I could probably have raw dog sex with 95% of all white girls, regardless of socioeconomic background. I only have met one girl that was super serious about using condoms, but I eventually fucked her without a condom too, so actually I change that to 100%. I could bang every white girl who lives in the United States without a condom if I desired, within three dates. I’m not kidding. I could do most of them raw dog on the same night. Here’s how to do it… 1. For the first time appear really studious about using condoms.Tell her “I like to be safe” and “I’m very careful.”” Now, Roosh explains that he lies about his STDs, and that all the men should lie about their STDs or if they were ever tested, this way assuring that raw unprotected sex will happen. ” 2. Ask her if she’s been tested a few minutes after the first bang. Say, “I’m not trying to get anything.” This makes her think you’re extra cautious. She’ll ask if you’ve been tested. Say “Yes.” Don’t worry, she won’t ask when you were tested, how many girls you fucked raw since you were tested, and what you were actually tested for. Even if you’ve never been tested, you can say “Not recently, but I’m 99% sure I don’t have anything,” and that’ll be just fine for her.” At the next step, Rooshv simply instructs men to straight out rape: “3. When gearing up for the second act of sex, just diddle her vagina with your dick and stuff it in. If she objects, try again next time. By the fourth of fifth time, you’ll be banging raw guaranteed. I’ve had several girls insert my beautiful naked cock inside them while chanting “Get a condom !” ” Then Roosh rationalizes his rapes, by saying it was the girls´ fault, because they are all “sluts”: “At first I thought I was just sleeping with the sluttiest of sluts, but I looked at their middle class background (sometimes upper class), and their circle of seemingly normal friends, and realized that it wasn’t the type of girl but the culture that she was raised in. I’ll tell you when I should’ve been scared straight. Years ago I was dating this girl for a while (“a while”—hah) and did it raw dog one time. She wasn’t on the pill so it was the exception, but in that moment of weakness I ravaged her with my snake. Girls who love sex can’t go long without it, so some prying on my part revealed that she fucks quite a bit. In order words, I was on the tail end of a cock bender so legendary that it’s a miracle her vagina offered any resistance at all upon penetration. A couple weeks afterwards I asked her why she let me have sex with her without using a condom. “I trust my instincts,” she said. “What exactly does that mean?” I asked. “Well, do you have anything?” “No. Well, I’m 99% sure I don’t.” “Okay then. So then my instinct was right.” There are women whose “instinct” told them that having raw dog sex with me was safe! Me! A guy who basically fucks women for a living! I continued to have the “occasional” slip Girls are supposedly the more intuitive of our species, but if so many feel right about fucking me without a condom, then I must conclude that they don’t know shit. They’re all dirty little whores who truly disgust me with their sex habits. I don’t care if she’s a lawyer, government worker, or environmentalist—if she lives in a metropolitan city and fucked you by the third date, she’s a bucket of disease” 4
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:50 | # The only interesting thing about this person is the potential for reaction which his personal “philosophy” might provoke - not in women concerned for their honour, but in men concerned for same - for honour is bestowed not achieved. In other words, the white American male’s righteous desire to honour and protect his sisters. 5
Posted by Forney accuses David Lane of Pedophilia on Sun, 14 Feb 2016 02:42 | # Forney accuses David Lane of pedophilia on the basis of a Negroe’s interpretation of a phone call to April Gaede’s kids from jail? Matt Forney, attorney for defense of Roosh/ plaintiff attorney of David Lane Interestingly, Matt Forney claims to be completely ashamed of the “alternative right” [which he says that he helped to create (and I believe him)] for leveling rape accusations against his long term friend Roosh, whom he defends against said charges (that I don’t need to make, as he is foul enough and non-White enough to ostracize at any rate), and himself [(who has apparently been accused by the pscho-Jew, Rachel Haywire, who Ann Sterzinger wants to say is such a special case that she should not be considered a typical Jew - while it is apparently Sterzinger that Haywire has accused Forney of raping)] But Forney, who is normally all aplomb and rationale, comes undone in this video account doesn’t he? Fraught with straw-men, the climax is when after lecturing us about how we shouldn’t make incautious rape accusations, he accuses David Lane of being “a pedophile”....on the basis of what evidence? this?
Why not call the police on David Lane? Oh yeah, he was in jail for over a hundred years (not for pedophilia) when he died long ago. Fuck you Matt Forney David Lane: We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. 14
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Posted by Selous Scout on Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:15 | # The obsession with Roosh among certain weird elements of the Alt-Right never fails to amuse. If you don’t want men like Roosh hitting on your sisters, then get off your ass and go out and protect them and control them. If certain odd individuals in the Alt-Right want to attack ‘degenerates’ like Roosh, are they also going to attack the fags, jews, gamers, and other degenerates involved in the Alt-Right? The Counter-Currents piece authored by Johnson is the height of hilarity, if you’re sharp enough to spot what’s going on. I never realised just how many beta-boys, SJWs, virgins, and white-knighting spergs there were in the Alt-Right until Roosh attracted their wrath. 7
Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:54 | # A Trump presidency will crystallize white nationalist ideas in the minds of tens of millions - both in Europe and America. Within ten years a pan-European network of palingenetic iron men insurgents will arise - funded with Russian money and armed with Russian weapons - to administer a cleansing wrath upon the European continent that will sweep away all the Jews, muds, mongrels and communist filth. It is at that time when trash like Roosh can be appropriately dealt with. 8
Posted by Kumiko Oumae on Sun, 14 Feb 2016 20:42 | # I’ve done some thinking about this, and looked at the comments sections in a lot of places, and taken into account the general atmosphere among white nationalists, and I’ve come to the conclusion that most of them don’t feel very strongly about this issue anyway. The ways in which something like what Roosh V has done could be criticised, are closed to us, because the audience itself quietly—and unfortunately—is in agreement with Roosh V on many of his core observations. There’s also something to be said about the fact that all of this went on for so long without anyone doing anything. That fact that it was even allowed to go on for so long, shows that no one really cared about what Roosh V was doing. Given that white men seem to be suspicious of white women all the time anyway, if someone were to come out and write an article in defence of white women, exhorting them to resist this tendency to be transformed into mere tools, it would be a pointless exhortation because white women aren’t even reading nationalist sites as far as I can see. Why? Because most of the white men in white nationalism also see white women as mere tools, just of a slightly different sort. Roosh V sees them as tools for his fuck-and-forget agenda, whereas many white nationalists see white women as tools for their get-a-housewife agenda. On a wider level, the entire conversation is a complete and total waste of time and energy, because the male audience itself is compromised, and the array of ideas that would be required to change men’s minds are considered verboten by the same male audience. There’s no way to build a deep and penetrating narrative about what happened, at least, not one that the audience is going to be willing to accept as true. In light of all of that, in my view the best possible thing that could be done, would be to basically just ignore this whole controversy and remain focussed on the core issues without any distractions. We need to keep the focus as tight as possible. There is nothing to be gained from talking about gender relations in the west. 9
Posted by DanielS on Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:08 | # Sealous Scout: Being obsessed with Roosh or the PUA and Game sites cannot accurately be attributed to myself. Racial advocacy and proper theorizaton of racial advocacy can be called an “obsession”, if you want to try to put negative psychologizing spin on my focus. I have been criticizing the Right for some time for its obstruction to our proper organization/conception as White advocates. I have been criticizing the alternative right since its inception a few years ago for the same reason. I have come to the hypothesis that the Alternative Right is just another permutation and expression of the Right and it’s inherent instability - which happens for a reason. The Right is generally based on a quest for objectivity and purity of principle. It generally has a revulsion to “the social” - in the case of Americans (White men in particular) that is a very normal reaction to the situation, where all kinds of people whom you wouldn’t naturally want to be associated with are being forced upon you and you are being forced to share social resources with them. However, because this initial quest for independence and freedom as a White man is based on speculative principles and is not reinforced with normalization and support from a social group consensus (White race and its sub categories) it becomes unstable - easily screwed with by Jews, etc., who, as an organized group, know how to run rings around the objectivist games. Because the Right is comprised of people who can’t let go of the pursuit of pure objective warrant beyond social accountability, whether in science, religion, Cartesianism - sub or above human social philosophy - it remains anti-social-reactionary and unstable: but it seeks to compensate with a prosthesis of “the big tent.” This was the VoR model, it was/is the Alternative Right model and it is becoming more the Renegade model. Generally speaking, they feel the need to compensate for their anti-social positions by creating a big tent where sundry misfits, some in broad outreach - those marginal or entirely outside of WN, representing mainstream outreach - and some “insiders”, narrowly extreme by any metric can find a place to peddle their views to an available market. Thus, as it has come time to turn more attention to “the Alternative right” as it has piqued more attention in the overlapping and misappropriation of our concerns to an insufficient theoretical basis - whether in regard to positive White nationalism, ehtnonationalism, ethnostates, economy and large scale projects; or negative issues, such as how to deal with Jews and their strategies, black biopower, Muslims, etc. - I attend to the issues as they emerge most relevant in example and illustration. Roosh and the implication of the PUA/Gamers in the Altright only came to my somewhat more focused attention of late as I have been criticizing the Alt Right big tent and who it was including in its advocacy. As the Alt Right has invited sundry misfits into their big tent to compensate for their anti-social positions, these White or “allied” misfits true concerns tend to be only tangential and mostly obstructive to White Ethno-Nationalism - but it is a market for their “alternative views”. So, they set up their vending booths in the alt-right big tent, selling Jesus, 88, “conservative and anti-Zionist” Jews, H revisionists, Mulattoes with pretty French wives who intimate stiff arm salutes, etc, and now attention comes to the “Gamer” booth as it has set up shop in the alt right big tent. To me, it is obvious that Roosh (and Forney, for that matter, et al.) were never “us” - White advocates. And so I never paid much attention to them (let alone being obsessed with them) - but I have turned increased focus (for the moment) while it is a common relevant talking point, providing illustrative material for those concerned with White advocacy. The misuse of “game”, up to and including rape in the general muddying (pun intended) of gender relations are understandable and legitimate negative concerns not only of White women but of White men. And, PUA /Game are expressions of right-wing objectivism - logical extensions of “that’s just the way it is in nature” see? The absurd, objectivist argument, that I should get off my ass and solve 500 plus plus years of objectivist philosophy and Jewish manipulation thereof by going out there all by myself or with a group of activists to control and protect my women and that that will suffice without a theoretical response to the culture of critique is the true height of hilarity. I am supposed to do that of pure manly nature. Well, anyway, I am not stopping anyone from going ahead and trying but my guess is that we need a little more theoretical backing than that, since our philosophy to date has not worked to protect us nor our women; while Jews have not stopped theorizing ways to infiltrate, subvert or misdirect what advocacy we have. They are adept at doing that with the Right and its reactionary positions. Again, a step away from the social - to get away from non-White imposition and White liberals - is a perfectly normal first response. In America in particular, it is a normal first response of White men to seek a platform of advocacy for themselves because they are the group most under concerted attack by Jews. But unlike an ethnostate, America is a propositional nation, so you do not have recourse to “this nation” being, say, “my historical English nation.” Therefore it is easier to subvert White racial advocacy as fundamentally “un-American” - against America’s founding anti-classification principles of civil individual rights and liberties; and with White men under attack and no ethnonational basis to fall back on, there is all the more need for a platform in their defense (though there are those, like PUA, who will try to take advantage of that market). Continued… 10
Posted by DanielS on Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:25 | # Particularly in America, before one comes to more understanding of the J.Q. and even where particular White women well represent the anti-White man wing of PC, it is an understandable reaction to go through a more or less misogynistic perspective until one finally makes their way beyond reaction to see that the gender issue is better looked upon as a subset of the racial issue and Jewish divide and conquer by taking advantage of right wing objectivism. That is not to say that there cannot be and should not be platforms that allow the genders to address their grievances as the objectivist/Jewish paradigm has torn its way through what have for millennia been perfectly serviceable men and women - putting them on the 86 list where not tossing them to the apes in planet of the apes. You don’t just go out there with the stupid and false idea that this is all just nature and I am going to take it on with superior upper body strength. There needs to be enough organization of White men for them to have good understanding of what they’ve been up against, if they are to then to have better means to do their part in attracting more women to our side and to our cause. That is the position to take as opposed to just accepting what is issued forth in late modernity - something like a deck chair on the Titanic, even if you did not pass on some of the better opportunities - but who in their right mind as a White man is going to accept this situation - an ever increasing abyss of mud - for themselves and for their legacy? It is rather like being a cow to breed daughters for niggers or a son to be a technoslave to keep society functioning for mulattoes. And don’t tell me, Sealous Scout, that you have or could have a daughter that is so fine that you cannot find women quite similar who have been impacted, either voluntarily or involuntarily. You see, it is not me, and it is not beta males after all. On the contrary, it is the theoretical ineptitude of alpha male lunk-heads who are the easiest dupes for Jews and the most disposed to be placated with insufficient theory, to disingenuously toss it off against the organization of our people. Organization is for women and “weak men.” Not strong men like you, Sealous Scout. Well, Jew trained, pandered-to feminists or Jew coddled, pandered-to traditional women want to hear that, its sure. In America in particular, the disordering effect of modernity has been most salient. This is an expression of the breakdown of the capacity for social classification and its necessary means of accountability and human ecology (of course I am most concerned with White accountability and White human ecology). The breakdown of social classification resulted from a combination of objectivism (as opposed to organizing on the basis of relative social interests) and Jewish tactics. As a result of social boundaries being enjoined, the lower common denominators of nature resurfaced in more atavistic form - females were pandered to from every direction and by every kind of male - but most importantly, by Jews, of course. This gave White females, often before they understood much of anything, significant capacity to wreak havoc with White EGI; and to destroy White men as the stories told about them where held to be true. Again, White men being the central target of Jews and their advocacy groups (women’s advocacy - feminism being key, along with non-Whites and gays) it really should not be any surprise that casualties would start to be counted among White men who ought to be looked upon as serviceable where loyal. Whereas they had been good enough for the past ten thousand years or so, certainly it is questionable that some of the women engaged in hypergamy are really too good for them all of a sudden and are really making such good choices among so-called alphas, especially when you see them gong for niggers, etc. - it should be clear to you, Sealous, that the judgment of females should not be beyond critique. And, where White men have been subject and target of the culture of critique, it is not a bad idea for them to hear that: e.g. a little Devlin, a little of my own - and maybe a little Bly, if my memory serves me, wasn’t too bad - to reinforce our morale etc. But after one has done enough of that, and moves beyond the fact that while Devlin, for example, has identified a few of the problems, and realizes that his prescription (getting marred and a return to marriage) would be good, of course, but it is not enough, he needs to realize that what is needed are racial bounds and the bounds of ethnostates. Once one sees an example of this, an ethnostate, and that in such a state both White men and women can be treated fairly, the wilder aspects of gender platforms are made unnecessary. That is how Poland effected me, personally. Coming to this homogeneous White culture from America, and seeing women behave in a way that showed loyalty as the pronounced pattern, whatever intense criticisms I had of females as females was mostly relegated to the historical and semi-abstracted form of how (bad) gender relations could be, if America as a proposition nation and its Judeo-liberalism spread from there. Continuing answer to Scout 11
Posted by DanielS on Sun, 14 Feb 2016 22:46 | # It was only from a conversation yesterday that I began to fully appreciate that “the incitement to genetic competition” and the “liberalism” that American females were prone to, might have more to do with America’s atavistic circumstances than with an inevitable expression of females “natural liberalness” than even I had realized - for I had hypothesized that with the closing of borders and in a homogeneous society that women could be satisfied with conserving the social group. However, at this point a racialist woman’s perspective helped greatly. She asked not to be named to this example and though I don’t know why, I will refrain from naming her. Nevertheless, knowing England as she does she helped me realize some things beyond my postive hypothesis for gender relations in an ethnostate and the one example of Poland that I had, to inform me about aspects of England and English women that I’ve never known. Specifically, that historically, they have NOT been liberal, that they were even responsible for founding the party that Oswald Mosley came to head and they were strongly behind Enoch Powell. How could this be? Yes, I’ve known some “conservative” women in America (usually the kind who are conserving liberalism through Christianity or some other hair brained Right wing concept) but mostly, by far they are liberal and anti-racist. How could English women be different? Well, one begins to consider that England is a natural ethnostate and thus its culture’s capacity to allow women and men to be enculturated as English women and men in sublimation of baser functions (for females sublimation beyond inciting genetic competition, for males, sublimation beyond importunately competing for the egg) was facilitated. They were more or less satisfied with their options among themselves and didn’t need to resort to competition at quite the subterranean level of American gender relations. As we know now, that is changing and it is all the more reason not to be dissuaded from proper theory for the kind of traditionalist incitement you would have us make-do with instead. And it is interesting. It explains to me how GW could describe women as “naturally conservative and men liberal.” Though that is the complete opposite of my experience in America it could well be the traditional human nature of the English women of recent times (til the Tony Blair era, I’m told). They had a relatively good, stable and safe ethnostate with men manifesting their selection over millennia. Why would they want to open the borders given that? In fact, their voting patterns, I am told, reflected their conservative bias. That is why my interlocutor is disturbed to see the comments surrounding the liberal politician who was raped by immivaders in Germany. Rather than taking into account that she was perhaps speaking out of severe trauma, she was treated by manosphere neo traditionalist types as if she was just like a “male cuck” - their comments went on to say that women should never have been given the vote. While I do believe it was and remains valid to look at problems from a White male perspective in the fallout of modernity that is America, and as the prime target of PC, so as to solve problems and bring back solutions to the gender/racial table… I have found that it is also helpful to the healing and re-normalization of gender relations to have attention drawn to aspects of women which may not have been so loud and apparent to us in America: how women act in a relatively normal society; they can organize the best aspects of social responsibility and national bounds. The mere increased awareness that women can be that way (not treacherous, but loyal) given a situation where they are treated well, can go a long way to healing our race and its gender relations. But to recreate that situation, obviously, we are going to need women, and are not likely to gain their best cooperation throwing around traditionalist platitudes that signal their impending servitude to ignorant and abusive men. To gain the kind of conservative women who would have spawned Mosley and Powell’s platform, my interlocutor made some interesting suggestions - which did run counter intuitive to some of the traditionalist ideas on gender. She suggested that women be granted capacity not only to pursue any careers, of course, but also reproductive freedom (abortion, contraception, prenatal care, maternity leave, all that) and that the social safety net ought to be sufficient to take care of single mothers as well. Here is an enormous caveat: however, they would have to agree that non-native immigration be effectively stopped and repatriation enacted. If they disagree on the basis of that last condition, you can be sure they are insane liberals. Ok, as far as their careers and leadership goes, well, either they are ethnonationalists or they are not. That is not an issue that it is gender specific. After that, it can and will be objected at this point that the socialist aspects will create a nanny-state. The state will be surrogate fathers, these women will be facilitated in hypergamy, i.e., reproducing with strong but socially irresponsible men (a bad combination) and birthing fatherless children - a notorious social and economic disaster; while a vast section of males would be reduced to worker bee status, and you might even wind up with something akin to Bowery’s nightmare scenario of the eusocial hive. However, I believe that if we’re able to weed out those women who wouldn’t agree to removal of Africans and Middle Easterners in particular, and we can get the rest to connect with their vested interest in the social well being of White ethostates, we not only have an important start to reconstruction of our White ethnostates, but also basis upon which to negotiate fairer, more satisfying gender relations. 12
Posted by Alternative right + weigh-in light on Mon, 15 Feb 2016 08:22 | # Alt righters Colin Liddel, Andy Nowicky, Matt Forney and Matt Parrott weigh-in (and don’t make the weight) on the matter with some short, light-weight and typically off-the-mark statements. http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2016/02/podcast-41-roosh-and-alt-right.html The alt right is looking more and more like bunch of people setting up booths to sell their kind of bullshit to a WN market while their main enterprise has only tangential and generally obstructive relation to organic White Ethno- Nationalism. 13
Posted by Ryan on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 01:23 | # Here’s my wall of text about this Roosh debacle: Some good personalities and othwerwise minor background people (some of which I would criticise are more motivated by edgy intellectual ‘relief’) have been drawn into this ‘tactical’ game of aligning themselves with this provacative manosphere personality for: Tacticial games might of been relevant in 2011 or whatever but in the ‘current year’ with the current energies and coverage the ‘alt-right’ brand/identitarism (whatever terminology you prefer) is getting then this stand in support of Roosh’s bullshit. It’s not that there is an international network working against Roosh but that anyone outside the manosphere or have not been conditioned to online shock/clickbait content are going to be througly triggered that a man who advocated the legalising of rape (while writing a clickbait article addressing female false rape allegations) is organising international meetings of his readership. It does not matter if you can write a explanation reframing it as you have already lost the issue after the first 10 words: the mainstream narrative is too short, simple and can really only be reframed rather than refuted. Defending Roosh’s actions is a lost battle from the get go and is something that personalities should of just ignored. The political aims which we seek are for more important than a deliberately provacative writer who trolls our own side about his claimed miscegegation successes with European women. Greg cuts through it well and has been very good in laying down a marker in distancing the general sphere away from this baggage. 14
Posted by DanielS on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:42 | # Ryan, the problem is not that people are rousing negative attention to Roosh. He is actually a good example of someone and a particular cause which does not belong in White advocacy circles. He provided a good occasion to talk about problems of the right, the alternative right and at least one group - Renegade - which wants to proclaim itself as having moved beyond the problems of the right but has not. All of the people identifying as alternative right, and Renegade as well, have a common problem of trying to compensate for their initial right wing, anti-social positions - compensating for the marginality and obstruction of their positions to White/European advocacy and ethnonationalism - by (ironically) trying to prohibit as “anti-social” (“non-team players”, etc) those who reject their anti-White/European-social positions. In a word, they want to paradoxically define being White/European-social with a rule that would prohibit and ostracize those who would prohibit those who are anti-anti-White/European-social. So, no, it is not a matter of guys who basically have it right who should have been a little more discreet. It is guys who have got White socialization backwards. They see White/European advocacy and ethnonationalism as a market for their views (not necessarily a commercial windfall, but a market for their views) and the serious problem is that they have set up shop to peddle their bullshit in booths or even in a big tent set up on the basis our most serious cause and they try to freeze out those who have a genuine, organic motivation for White advocacy and ethnonationalism, for its coherence and coordination - those having organic and authentic motivation as such, will necessarily see the obstructive and irrelevant causes of the alt righters and other right wingers (e.g., Renegade) for what they are: obstructive, contradictory, irrelevant, divisive of the cause, misleading, unnecessarily stigmatizing, marginal or even coming from those whose motivations are outside of the cause. Hence their ironic motive to ostracize those whose central motivation is White/European advocacy. The Roosh example has actually served well to bring into high relief the voices of the right and alternative right for their anti-White/European-social big tent: Shortly, I will go through the particular examples to flesh-out my point. 15
Posted by Raul Michaels on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:44 | # Roosh spends 12-16 hours every day in front of his laptop, hiding in fear in Poznan, Poland because he knows his organized criminal group will not last forever Roosh is a manipulative criminal, and everyone in the world knows that. Hundreds of followers of Roosh already lost their jobs, because of their names being associated with this serial rapist Roosh Valizadeh More girls that Roosh Valizadeh raped: “I got down her bra and panties, but she kept saying, “No ! No !” What serial rapist Roosh teaches his fanatics: There is an endless stream of self admitted rapes from RooshV The following is just one of Roosh V (Daryush Valizadeh)’s sexual encounters written in his ‘Bang’ Books: “In the middle of the night I got another boner, and jammed it back in while she was asleep. I came.” His rape manuals are nothing more than the active advertising of rape, with passages describing sexual violence and the victimisation and rape of women.
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Posted by clip puts it all on women's lib on Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:57 | # Clip circulating among the alt right, in which it is argued that disloyal and hypergamous mating patterns among females have been unleashed by women’s liberation to the destruction of civilization. Argues for a return to patriarchy. No mention of Jewish and neo-liberal interference with the homeostasis of western human ecologies and justice in gender relations: 17
Posted by Forney defends coal burner on Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:06 | # Matt Forney sets the record straight: that he is a concerned defender of mudsharks. Actually, the ho might even be Jewish. He says:
Nevertheless, we are admonished:
No, she is just a coal-burning kike. 18
Posted by Kumiko Oumae on Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:32 | # I don’t think that Shoeonhead is a Jew. This is the first time I’m hearing anyone calling her that. ArmouredSkeptic however is definitely a Jew. Neither Shoeonhead nor ArmouredSkeptic have any connection to the Alt-Right though. If Matt Forney has been reaching out to them then that is definitely a new thing, but it’s a thing that is most likely going to go nowhere. None of those two have anything to do with Roosh V either. Both Shoeonhead and ArmouredSkeptic are from the milieu of American atheists who might broadly be described as liberals of the centre-right sort. That whole section of the blogosphere occupies many of the policy positions that you might have heard coming from TV personalties like Chris Matthews about 5 years ago, with atheism included. This means that they would find ‘social justice warriors’ to be absurd, and that they would have switched from attacking Christianity, to attacking ‘SJWs’ around the time that the ‘SJW’ phenomenon began to eclipse the obnoxiousness of the Christianity phenomenon. Shoeonhead has significant overlap with Sargon of Akkad’s youtube channel, so much so that she’s actually filled in as the host of his show on a couple of occasions when he wasn’t there. None of these people are racialists, so if racialists are feeling like tactically supporting them or something, they have to keep in mind the limitations, the main limitation being that they will never reciprocate any of the support that is offered to them. That said though, that section of the blogosphere is locked in perpetual conflict against the American-university-student-SJW people, and so I wouldn’t want to interrupt them when one group of liberals are causing so much disruption to the messaging of other liberals. 19
Posted by Now Icleland's importing rape on Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:21 | # We thought Iceland was one of the good ones for their stance against the banks and their “debts.” But now they are importing rapists:
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Posted by "psychological morning-after pill" to deny rape on Sun, 12 Jun 2016 08:33 | # This is evidence for my hypothesis of a psychological “morning-after pill” wherein rape, and in this case, sexual molestation, is denied because it is just to painful to relational sensibilities.
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Posted by non-oughtness of is on Sun, 12 Jun 2016 20:47 | #
A comment on the naturalistic fallacy of “game” ..or, the non-oughtness of is. 22
Posted by Mary on Mon, 04 Jul 2016 15:38 | # Women get very often shamed after they were raped by arab muslim men like Daryush Valizadeh. Although the system that Daryush Roosh Valizadeh improved and he teaches for the last 10 years, is quite foolproof: the women are never asked for consent, (I save you the trouble of reading his sex guides, who are available for free 1. go out on crowded “Lady nights” where girls drink a lot (because drinks are for free): in bars or clubs 2. wear a suit. Tell the girls you are approaching a completely fake name and fake story which makes you appear very cool (for example that you are a doctor, 3. buy them as many drinks as possible, shame the girl if she doesn’t drink. 4. walk the new girl you met this way home 6. once isolated and alone with the girls, Roosh overpowers them and ignores every “No!” (even repeated for hours, or repeated and begged even 50 times) and all the crying or the opposition of the girls and The girl rape survivor, This recipe worked for him perfectly and he improved this system over the last 15 years, he’s going out basically 3-4 nights every week in Poznan, Poland. There is no downside to his system, it usually works, so Roosh calls it “How to rape without legal consequences” and he is proud of it 23
Posted by Quasimodo on Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:09 | # “I never realised just how many beta-boys, SJWs, virgins, and white-knighting spergs there were in the Alt-Right until Roosh attracted their wrath.” Right! As if virgin was an insult. The only guy on the Alt-Right who seems to get that it isn’t is the Catholic Andy Nowicki. As if Aquinas or John Henry Newman were sissies or something. I’m not wrathful because I’m a fuck-ugly hunchback with bad yellow teeth and thin hair; I have no chances with women anyway, and my below-average-sized penis is laughable to boot. I was full of wrath because I realized I wasn’t a Kierkegaard, a Schopenhauer, a Plato, a Goethe: you know, a genius. Because that is what I cared about. No one gives a **** if you had 1000 women in bed, because you obviously don’t understand the reality of pleasure/pain. No one’s going to lie on his deathbed, mourning over any lost opportunities to eat ice cream. Read Schopenhauer for a change—or just THINK! for a minute. If I had had the greatest time ten years ago—and now I don’t any longer: what would it mean to me? NOTHING! Ten years ago was ten years ago. Guys like Roosh are addicts who constantly need their pleasure fix because they don’t realize that it is fleeting and meaningless, let alone destructive (he kind of gets it that it destroys his ability to “pair-bond”). Only an imbecile is going to mourn the lost opportunity of not having eaten a chocolate cupcake ten years ago, or not having had sex with a women for that matter. Because it’s not how the pleasure/pain calculus works. This is one of the reasons Latin and Greek is no longer taught in schools: because it transmits and teaches a worldview that is at odds with our modern decadent world. Simply implement eugenics, you sissies, this would get rid of any “unlaidables” (including me, who hates his life, but for the reason I’m not a Goethe; I endure to my Christian faith). Also, white women shagging middle eastern brownies like Roosh aren’t exactly good news to anyone who has at least a modicum of interest in the survival in the West. After all, Europe is currently getting flooded with Rooshs. What message does that convey? Again, if I wasn’t a Christian, I would simply kill myself. In my opinion, not just the nature of existence itself is horrible—especially tedium, the curse of the intelligent—, but als the ugliness and immorality and irreligiosity of the modern world would be reason enough for me to blow my brains out. Casual sex is not just morally wrong, it is also aesthetically wrong. Roosh will pay on Judgement Day. I want the universe of the Germanic Middle Ages back, just like the great Catholic Reactionary Nicolás Gómez Dávila. I’ll end with a few aphorisms of his: “To liberate man is to subject him to greed and sex.” “More so than the immorality of the contemporary world, it is its growing ugliness that moves one to dream of a cloister.” “Sexual promiscuity is the tip society pays in order to appease its slaves.” “Modern man’s life oscillates between two poles: business and sex.” “The problem is not sexual repression, nor sexual liberation, but sex.” “Sex does not solve even sexual problems.” “When the modern consciousness suspends its economic routines, it only oscillates between political anguish and sexual obsession.” “Modern man’s misfortune lies not in having to live a mediocre life, but in believing that he could live a life that is not mediocre.” “Sin ceases to seem like a fiction when we have been slapped in the face by its aesthetic vulgarity.” “Discipline is not so much a social necessity as an aesthetic obligation.” “Ethics should be the aesthetics of conduct.” “It is impossible to convince the fool that there are pleasures superior to those we share with the rest of the animals.” 24
Posted by Quasimodo on Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:18 | # That “Don Colacho” is right can be seen simply by looking at Roosh now: he comes off as depressed, not joyful at all; he basically proved my point in a recent blog post, where he admitted that even sex bores him now. Of course, Einstein, it’s after all just an animalistic drive that we share with the rest of the animals. But I guess women are like drugs to most; just like alcohol, work or attending one of the paper mills, imagining one is progressing. The Alt-Right needs to heed the advice of the great Christian reactionaries, otherwise there will be no hope: neither for our societies, nor for man himself. 25
Posted by Quasimodo on Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:25 | # I’d also add that any guy who derives his self-worth from women is a sissy and a pussy. No mattet how much you want such guys to be alphas. You’ve got to be kidding me to call someone who needs to be “validated” by a woman a man. That’s laughable on its face. 26
Posted by DanielS on Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:50 | # We’re not Christian here, Quasimodo… nor do I commend Andy Nowicky’s shilling for the (((Alt Light/Right))), but I agree with some of your points… Recently I’ve been thinking about (and trying it out in reality too) turning “game” on its head and pursuing the “friend zone” with women as a valuable end in itself. 27
Posted by Quasimodo (one last time, forgot to add this) on Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:00 | # Not to mention that the time spent traveling around the globe to have sex—Roosh did that, no joke!—is better spent learning Latin and Greek, math, physics or just reading (literature, philosophy, history). In fact, Roosh does that now (reading Stoicists or something), meaning he basically wasted what, more than ten years on women? Of whom nothing remain now. Sad. 28
Posted by Captainchaos on Wed, 24 Apr 2019 03:32 | # Daniel doesn’t like pussy anymore. He’s not alone, neither does Greg Johnson. 29
Posted by DanielS on Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:14 | # I don’t know where you got that idea from, because I don’t like it - I love it. And who is the the low T fag? coming to Roosh’s side as you are? Do you really need instructions from a Sand Negro? Roosh, the rapist of White women, who instructs not just Whites but non-Whites (he has been seen hanging out with both browns and blacks) on how to defraud White women (and White men of their rightful women) with R selection strategies? ...ah yes, (((Luke Ford))) has told you that Roosh is now on a journey to Christianity… mm K. He’s got Jesus now. A real man like you, succumbing to Abraham. Worshipping together with the “trad women” in submission at the church of your choice of Jewish Christ - all’s forgiven by you CC, right? Don’t even have to be White. Willing to partake of the leftover trad wafer’s with just anybody. But this thread is a little bit dated. I see. In comments 9 and 13 above, I saw Renegade as trying to promote right wing unity, including in defense of Roosh - maybe at that time some of their hosts were defending Roosh. But I do know that they went full attack on him after a while, as well as other alt right figures ...while claiming, falsely, to lead the way in critique of the right/alt right. I still don’t recommend Renegade; while they have done some things well, their residual right wingishness has obstructed their utility.
....like you, J.F. Gariepy kisses Roosh’s ass. How to manipulate damaged and retarded women (you need an instruction book to do this?). 30
Posted by mancinblack on Sun, 28 Apr 2019 19:29 | # @27 Actually Quasi, you can do both at the same time. It’s called ‘multitasking’. You should try it sometime. 31
Posted by Captainchaos on Mon, 29 Apr 2019 04:01 | # Mancinblack, the late Harold Covington once said that queers deserve “a .44 caliber enema.” Do you agree with him? 32
Posted by DanielS on Mon, 29 Apr 2019 05:37 | # Captainc***nt, Harold Covington had one of the worst reputations in WN because of his slander of other White advocates. He would attack and defame any of the WN who rejected Christianity. His judgment was very poor: He said that while the DNA Nations was well written, it represented the same old futile wish to go back to the 1950s Ozzie and Harriet America. How the F he gets that interpretation out of the DNA Nations is beyond me; and to misdirect attention from it, when it is not even against the Northwest gathering idea, is beyond me. His judgment was poor, illustrated by his position that Uncle Adolf had it all right across the board. But again, his judgment was poor - illustrated by the very cause that you ally-yourself with here - elevating concern for “the bugger boys” right up there with White genocide. Honestly, the fat old schoolmarm would continually bemoan “white genocide and the bugger boys” in the same phrase while scolding and imploring Whites to “come home to the Northwest.” It is alleged that Covington was himself a faggot. 34
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Posted by Sand wigger appeals to albino Anglin. on Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:36 | #
A wigger, like Andrew Anglin, would find the Afro-Muslim strategy on gender and reproduction appealing.
While having written an otherwise good article and sponsoring a good discussion about it, Greg Johnson’s orientation might hamper him in being able to judge what constitutes a normal White male response. Anglin has been defending where not promoting this Return of Cuck artist for years. And still gravitates to his Muslim mindset. However, Greg gives him an encouraging welcome and agrees with him.
Greg Johnson said merely:
Whereas I would begin by addressing this:
“The crap about ‘consent’ doesn’t matter to me” - Anglin.
Why doesn’t it matter if you have consent, Andrew? I can tell you why, because you are expressing your affinity for the selective strategies of Muslims and Africans - not the natural K selective strategies of Europeans: having to have consent is not a problem where relational trust is established to satisfy both partners overall.
And YOU are going to defend Polish women, with your Hitler site, adorned with fawning pictures of Him and Himmler? I don’t think so.