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Black Athlete, Jesse Owens, Received Greatest Ovations of His Career From Nazis
Some “Holocaust Denial” historian? No. It’s from Rick Shenkman, George Mason University associate professor of history, excerpted from his “Legends, Lies and Cherished Myths of American History”. When will we see this portrayed honestly in a movie complete with Hitler waving to a victorious Jesse Owens and Owens waving back, as attested by Owens? And about what else are “they” lying to us? Comments:2
Posted by Top on Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:48 | # Can anything about WW2 be trusted? Yawnnn: But we are ONLY talking about the dispossession and demographic transformation of the white West! That’s no big deal after all!! Let’s just give that thought a collective YAWNNNN and not think about too hard what’s causing it to happen. 3
Posted by James Bowery on Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:04 | # I get it—you lie to an entire civilization for a generation distorting accounts—collect the economic rent “due” you, and once you’ve destroyed your opposition, you let the truth slip in your own channels to alert the faithful they need to stop lying to themselves. 4
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:08 | # John Toland biography of Hitler recounts that Owens was very well treated in Germany by those rAYcist Nazis. Owens is quoted as saying that Hitler smiled and waived to him. Nevertheless, one still frequently reads newspaper accounts portraying Hitler and others angry leaving the stadium because a fast-footed Negro shattered the myth of Aryan superiority. 5
Posted by ten62 on Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:39 | # Yawnnnnn wrote: Ooh, you mean those nasty Jews? http://www.forward.com/articles/jesse-owens-man-and-myth-at-the-1936-olympics/ 1. Unless every Jew by every thought, word and deed seeks to harm the interests of whites, no Jew by any thought, word or deed seeks to harm the interests of whites. 2. Unless every man is taller than every woman, no man is taller than any woman. The concept of ‘average’ is tricky for some. When it suits them. 6
Posted by Pax Judaica on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 04:52 | # Ah, I see. MR’s nazi-in-chief craves a Shitler hagiography, but his genes can’t produce. Perhaps this commonality accounts for the sympathy toward Owens? As for the rest of this nest of dead-enders, when will you realize that your idol never had a chance? Your so-called “master race” merely poured five million european anti-Semites into a cossack meat-grinder in furtherance of our historic mission. 7
Posted by Daniel J on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 05:02 | # Is anyone going to grace this retard with a response? Have you even read anything on this website? I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone here that gives a shit about Hitler. James was pointing out how the media spins Hitler. 8
Posted by Daniel J on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 05:06 | # and you are right that the Germans died as a result of Jewish scheming in pursuit of their Jewish mission… but, your “mission” isn’t Historic. rather it is a megalomaniacal fantasy that is doomed to failure… 9
Posted by Pax Judaica on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 05:46 | # We have a genuine Nazi right above in “Friedrich Braun”. Fortunately for him the material wealth is ours, for otherwise we’d pancake germany into a glistening, half-inch thick 300,000 square-mile glass plate within the half-hour, deleting this extraneous civilization. Who needs them, anyway? To show we’re quite serious about not tolerating any anti-Semitic nations, I believe iran has volunteered to host the next light show. (All of you should join us in hoping that this ahmadinejad continues in his ways, which provides pretext for smashing his country to pieces.) 10
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 06:17 | # We have a genuine Nazi right above in “Friedrich Braun”. It’s National Socialist to you, mister! 11
Posted by Desmond Jones on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 06:46 | # Moshe Dayan, on being asked about the reasons for his success: “Of course, it helps if one can arrange to fight Arabs [or Persians].” Iran, mean IQ of 84. 12
Posted by Daniel J on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:24 | # There was also Nazi’s among the Jews… Judenrat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burros What is your point? Almost no one here believes the official Holocaust mythology, and we certainly don’t care if someone admires Hitler… However, I believe you overestimate “Jews” (you fail to specify if we mean Aske-nazis, or Sephardi Jews) and their power. You wouldn’t be anything if America withdrew its support for your policies. I apologize to Friedrich, I don’t mind if you admire Hitler, I just think you are possibly in the minority. 13
Posted by Daniel J on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:31 | # which provides pretext for smashing his country to pieces. The pretext will not be provided by the politically weak President of Iran, but by the ruthless, inhuman and Germanically expedient Mossad… 14
Posted by Torgrim on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:32 | # posted by top; Can anything about ww2 be trusted? My father a veteran of ww2, now 86 years old and very aware now, as ever, of good fortune and bad, warns of war. A man that mourns. 15
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:42 | # The figure Desmond quotes for Iranian average IQ is 11 points lower than Israel’s 95. I dont believe Friedrich is the only commentator who espouses the Nat Soc cause. Quite a number of Israel’s policies sit comfortably with National Socialist idealogy including racial preference for the infernal and parasitical pests who have occupied and renamed their enemy’s land and a mixed economy which has largely prevented Jews from giving the world a demonstration of vampires attempting to prey on vampires. 17
Posted by Daniel J on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:02 | # I dont believe Friedrich is the only commentator who espouses the Nat Soc cause. I didn’t say that… I am sure there is a few National Socialists here, I meant people who would openly express admiration for Hitler’s particular implementation of said political/economical system and the man himself. 18
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:24 | # The ironically-named Pax Judaica must be very proud of his begging-bowl proffering country, especially as its per capita GDP is a lowly number 27 in world rankings and thus well below many Aryan nations. The gullible citizenry of the US are taxed punitively to provide aid to Israel, the natural enemy of the once-great eleemosynary nation of dupes. 19
Posted by James Bowery on Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:26 | # Hitler succeeded, during the 1930s, in pulling Germany out of the economic disaster that it took WW II to pull the US out of. Having said that, it is obvious that Hitler failed to capitalize on the most important potential of his regime: The Transfer Agreement If he’d focused on the Transfer Agreement all the energy he put into his war machine, he would have truly accomplished everything he said he stood for. I really don’t think he had an excuse for not following through with the full committment of not only the German people and Zionist Jews, but also of what would become known as “The Allies”. 20
Posted by PaxAryania on Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:07 | # http://www.amazon.co.uk/Young-Hitler-I-Knew/dp/1853676942 Israel is a pathetic waste of a country. If the entire world was Jewish without Goyim you it be covered with Glass, Porn, and counterfeit currencies. Don’t worry PoxJudicia, the 9/11 cat is out of the bag and white goyim know the Jews did it. Your poisonous day will come. 21
Posted by JB on Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:20 | # Yawnnnnn:
do a search on Google and you’ll find hundreds of references to the myth of Jesse Owen (especially about him “destroying Hitler’s myth of aryan supremacy”) in mainstream news websites (including ESPN if I recall) and much less references to the true story. The Forward isn’t a national newspaper and this article and Shenkman’s book will not likely change the persistence of the myth. 22
Posted by Yawnnnn on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:37 | # JB wrote “do a search on Google and you’ll find hundreds of references to the myth of Jesse Owen (especially about him “destroying Hitler’s myth of aryan supremacy”) in mainstream news websites (including ESPN if I recall) and much less references to the true story. The Forward isn’t a national newspaper and this article and Shenkman’s book will not likely change the persistence of the myth.” But what does this fact you mention (and I agree) have to do with Jews? So, illiterate and idiotic community college educated journalists are really just being “forced” to write this nonsense? Or, could it just be a bad case of “historical incest” where every body keeps repeating the same nonsense, for multi-cultural and leftist propaganda reasons? I mean, you CAN find it on the internet, everywhere, that the story is nonsense. And most of the writers I see writing this stuff (yes, I googled) are NOT Jews .... and so? 23
Posted by ben tillman on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:03 | # Or, could it just be a bad case of “historical incest” where every body keeps repeating the same nonsense…. Think before you write. The “nonsense” has an origin, does it not? 24
Posted by Yawnnn on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:44 | # ben tillman wrote: “Think before you write. The “nonsense” has an origin, does it not? “ Yes, stupidity and propaganda, this isn’t denied. But what does this have to do with Jews I keep asking—show me the proof THEY are to blame. 25
Posted by the inverted yawn on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:07 | # James Bowery’s original post did not mention the word “Jews” at all, and his comment about responsibility read: “And about what else are “they” lying to us?” Perhaps “Yawnnn” has a reason to suspect that a group with a stranglehold on the mass media, and over-represented in the professions, and with an ethnic interest in promoting the “Owens defeated Hitler, who snubbe dhim” myth, may have had something to do with it. But Bowery did not state that as his thesis at all. Mr. Bowery can tell us all what he meant by the word “they”, defend that usage, and we can progress from there. 26
Posted by ben tillman on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:32 | # But what does this have to do with Jews I keep asking—show me the proof THEY are to blame. The Jewish community is the only one with the motive and the opportunity. It’s quite straightforward. 27
Posted by Yawnnnn on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:07 | # ben tillman wrote: “The Jewish community is the only one with the motive and the opportunity. It’s quite straightforward. “ Based on what FACTS? What is their motive? What is their opportunity? Apparently, it’s not straight forward. Would your argument hold up in court? I will accept both the modus tollens or modus pones form of argument from you ... 28
Posted by James Bowery on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:26 | # Mr. Bowery can tell us all what he meant by the word “they” There must be some term for the epistemological discipline of not overburdening your epistle. Whatever that term is, invoke it. I will however say this: It is more reasonable to use “Jews” as “they” than that vast majority of other identities. 29
Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:12 | # Some of the facts;
On December 4th, 1935, Walter White, Secretary of the NAACP, composed a letter, that was never sent, urging Jesse Owens to boycott the 1936 Summer Olympics. J.E. Sprinarn is listed as President on the letterhead. On page two White writes;
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Posted by Yawnnn on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:24 | # Hmmm, I’m not sure exactly what Desmond Jones just posted, but it had NO relevance to how “they” control the history surrounding Jesse Owens. Everybody keeps blaming “they” (or them, properly) ... but not one iota of evidence to support their case. How “right-wing” of you. 31
Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:49 | # “They” controlled the NAACP. They provided a substantial portion of the NAACP’s original financing and emergency funding to save the group from bankruptcy during the Depression. They constituted nearly half of the NAACP’s legal staff during the 30s. They, through Walter White, and the NAACP, attempted to pressure Jesse Owens to boycott the 1936 Olympics. Clearly, they had “the motive and the opportunity.” 32
Posted by JB on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:44 | # Yawn:
they run the media and Hollywood. I thought even our opponents knew that. They use anything they think useful to discredit or smear nazi Germany whenever they can, whether it be Jesse Owens demolishing Hitler’s racial ideas (not true Germany won more medals than all the rest of the world combined) or Elie Wiesel’s fantasies about germans throwing babies in the air and shooting them and all the rest of it. They try to do the same regularly with David Duke or the Gaede twins, with basically anyone that refuse to go along the programmed destruction of the white race by the US Government. The owners and editors can’t do an 180 degree turn and start spreading news and editorials that contradict what they published years ago and became part of the popular culture whatever the truth is because they would lose credibility but if the public doesn’t know the truth and has little chance of learning about it and if it fits their racial agenda or simply fits their emotional leanings they simply keep it up. No major media will go against the trend anyway so there’s even less incentive to tell the truth. Hence the regular bringing up of the Jesse Owens myth, hence the toning down or cover-up of violent black on white crimes, hence the continuous anti-serb bias which really started when a PR firm used an Auschwitz-style skinny man behind a barb wired fence photo and distributed it everywhere to turn the serbs into neo-nazis, hence the cover-up of the mexican invasion, hence a lot of other anti-white messages and propaganda they regularly orchestrate. As far as low level employees are concerned they don’t have the freedom to write things as they saw it, it has to fit the editorial line and that line doesn’t have to be clearly established with capital letters in black on white. Read what this leftist has to say about his experience as a reporter and low level editor : http://www.swans.com/library/art8/rdeck018.html
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Posted by JB on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:49 | # more about the jewish role in the NAACP here : http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/naacp.htm
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Posted by Yawnnn on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:40 | # JB: What does the NAACP have to do with the misconception about Owens? Did the NAACP start the rumor about Hitler and Owens? You have not proved it. As for the NAACP pushing Owens for a boycott ... the Jewish source above quotes: “Schaap also highlights the dispute in the United States over whether to participate in the Berlin Games. Much of this material is available elsewhere, most notably in an online exhibit on the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum’s Web site. But the battle, which featured a pro-boycott letter signed by 20 former U.S. Olympic champions, and a close vote within the Amateur Athletic Union of the United States, will still come as news to many readers, and Schaap tells it well. Braddock’s Depression-era, rags-to-riches-to-rags-to-riches story gives him an almost saintlike quality, but Owens was a much more complex character. Although Owens displayed some sympathy for the boycott, he generally opposed it, in part because he didn’t want to give up his shot at the Olympics. Nor was Owens’s personal life scandal-free: During the run-up to the games, his flirtations with an actress in California while he had a serious girlfriend and child back in Ohio were well covered in the media. Schaap even questions some of Owens’s actions during the games themselves. The story has always gone that Owens spoke out against Olympics track coach Lawson Robertson’s decision to leave Marty Glickman and Sam Stoller, the Jewish team members, off the 4x100 relay team. Glickman, later a prominent New York sports broadcaster, always attributed his removal to the desire of the American track coaches and Avery Brundage, the villainous head of the United States Olympic Committee, to appease Hitler and the Nazis. It seems clear that when the decision was announced to the team, Owens opposed it. But as Schaap points out, Owens had campaigned throughout the early part of the games to compete on the team, even though custom and competition — no other relay team was considered a threat to the Americans — argued against it.” It sounds like the origins of the stories are from Owens himself—to make a quick buck, since the multi-culties would pay a mighty fine dollar to get anti-Hitler stories. There is no proof that “they” were behind the lie. However, what’s wrong with Jews supporting the NAACP? It most certainly was in their interest to do so ... makes sense. Whites treated blacks (and Jews) like crap ... it would only make sense for them to attempt to change this. However, this has NOTHING to do with the story about Owens and Hitler. You are just avoiding the real topic at hand. PROVE to me that the Jews (they = Jews—if you wish to deny that, then say so now) were responsible for starting the Owens/Hitler nonsense. And Owens did whoop the master race in the events he entered—maybe America did not, but its negros most certainly did. (But Germany won more medals—ha ha!). If I was an outside observer, and heard Hitler’s “Master Race” nonsense, and then watched Owens destroy all of the records, I would deduce that Hitler was a joke too. This is probably the main origin of this Owne/Hitler debate ... reality. 35
Posted by ben tillman on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:29 | # You have not proved it. We’re not interested in meeting your standard of proof. There is no alternative to our explanation. Quit trying to waste our time. 36
Posted by JB on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:58 | # Yawn:
I’m not so sure either but since Desmond Jones mentioned it I thought I’d post a link to JTR so that those interested in the jews’ relationship to the NAACP would learn more. Yawn:
think before you type. the media was looking for anti-Hitler stories, they pressured Owens and he went along with it. Owens didn’t started it (and he himself didn’t came up with the Owens-destroyed-Nazi-racial-theories routine) Yawn:
Jews may have been disliked by a lot of americans but they weren’t “treated like crap” cause there was no separate legal category for jews, they were legally whites unlike blacks. Yawn:
I know I should have added a “by the way since Desmond Jones mentions the NAACP ...” Yawn:
I don’t have their names at hand but I’m pretty sure that if you look at the names of the editors and owners of the major newspapers of the day you would find many jews. For a more recent exposé you can read this : who rules America ? http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4231 (it needs to be updated because real estate billionaire Sam Zell has recently bought 20+ newspapers including the Chicago Tribune) and these pages : Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith member named head of LifeTime Entertainment http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4917 lots of interesting stories quoted here in Chapter 24 of When Victims Rule: http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/24media2.htm
Yawn:
Germany did won more medals that all the rest of the world united in the 1936 Olympics so presumably german athletes did beat non-white athletes in some competitions (I don’t have the detailed results at hand) Yawn:
I don’t know, Germans have the highest average IQ in Europe today so whether or not they’re the fastest runners, who cares ? Hey I have an idea : let’s go through a point by point comparison of black americans and germans to see which ones are superior in all kinds of categories 37
Posted by JB on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:59 | # Adolf Hitler, Jesse Owens and the Olympics Myth of 1936 http://hnn.us/articles/571.html
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Posted by Rnl on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:12 | # JB’s JTR link was good. The first time I read it I was struck by the following degrading episode, which helps explain some of the Black irritation at their Jewish supporters: With Jews holding the purse strings to many ostensibly Black organizations, in 1976 Black activist Julian Bond sought the directorship of the NAACP. Although critical of Israel, Bond found it necessary to sign a yearly “Black Americans in Support of Israel (BASIC)” statement “if he was to have any chance of winning the NAACP position, given the powerful influence of Jews within the organization.” [GINZBURG, p. 169] http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/naacp.htm *** The Big Lie about the Berlin Olympics Jewish Myths about the Berlin Olympic Games 39
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:05 | #
Cleveland’s Call & Post founded by a black man, William O. Walker, to serve Cleveland’s large black ghetto and with close association with the NAACP ran the headline “HITLER SNUBS JESSE”.
All references except as noted are from _Jesse Owens: an American Life_, by William J. Baker, published by The Free Press (A Division of Macmillan, Inc.), New York, Collier Macmillan Publishers, London, if it really interests you, the book further says: Library of Congress Cataloging-in-publication Data Baker, William J. (William Joseph) Jesse Owens: an American Life. Bibliography: p. ISBN 0-02-901780-7 40
Posted by Yawnn ... on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:07 | # Desmond Jones: You’re the closest so far to providing real proof—you provided information about a Black man’s newspaper starting the rumor (although your link did not say that, I’ll take your word for it)... so, a black newspaper owner SEEMINGLY started the rumor to sell more newspapers to his black audience. No proof it was “they”—but, he had connections to the NAACP—ok, I’ll go with that ... who was leading the NAACP in 1936? I could not find this info. JB: I know ‘Who Rules America’ but that does not apply to newspapers in 1936 ... show me the ‘Who Rules America’ of 1936. Yes, it’s a fact the Germans won more medals and more gold medals, too—but they also had the largest team (Americans had 312 competiting, Germany 348). Therefore, it’s no surprise they won more medals. Americans won the most medals and gold medals in track and field events (where the negros dominated). I never debated the fact that Germans are smarter than negros—that’s an obvious fact. I’m sticking to the topic at hand—why don’t you try it too. You also wrote: “I don’t know, Germans have the highest average IQ in Europe today so whether or not they’re the fastest runners, who cares ? Hey I have an idea : let’s go through a point by point comparison of black americans and germans to see which ones are superior in all kinds of categories “ Apparently, you care, since you brought up the Olympics—which, the last time I checked, was an ATHLETIC event. Therefore, it’s relevant to reply. Fred—I’m just ignoring you—as you never stick to any topic and you usually just answer your own questions anyway. Home work for you guys: 1. Who was the leader of the NAACP in 1936 Let’s start with the basics ... 41
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:32 | #
I’m devastated ... I don’t think I can go on ... can someone pass me a box of Kleenex? (Better make it a kingsize box ... this guy’s very important and if he’s got me on ignore I’ve got a lot of crying to do ...) This non-entity is a cross between that extended-phenotype wonder Arcane “the Only Man More Nazi-Obsessed Than Simon Wiesenthal” and that brooding, ever-wallowing-in-self-pity Irishman The “Triple-Digit-IQ-But-Only-Two-To-The-Left-Of-The-Decimal-Point” Other Guy. “Yawnnn,” indeed. In fact, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............................ (What a drag on the thread! Someone wake me up when this character has finally moved on to Katy Couric’s chat room, will you? Thnx!) 42
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:35 | # Dr. William O. Walker became publisher and editor of the Cleveland Call and Post, a black weekly newspaper, in 1932.
Who was the leader of the NAACP in 1936 Professor Emeritus Joel Spingarn of Columbia University. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/aaohtml/exhibit/0824001.html J.E. Spingarn, President, first page of White’s letter to Owens, top left corner under National Officers. 43
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:53 | #
“Of what may happen”? Right, and look what actually did happen: the white race forcibly exterminated as the follow-up to the victory over Germany and Japan. Maybe we should’ve sat that war out, no? I think yes — sat it out while we collected our thoughts as to what in the goddamn hell was actually going on. Things couldn’t have turned out any worse for us if we had — and might conceivably have turned out a whole lot better ... 44
Posted by Desmond Jones on Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:15 | # The Call & Post also focused, almost exclusively, on the aftermath of the Scottsboro Nine trial. http://www.huarchivesnet.howard.edu/0002huarnet/ross4.htm
The NAACP was disproportionately represented by Jewish directorship and legal council, at the time and highly dependent on Jewish funding, saving it from bankruptcy in the 1930s. The ILD was an arm of the Communist Party of the USA. Who founded the CP USA? None other than the father of Soviet mole Armand Hammer.
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Posted by Yawnn.. on Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:00 | # D.J.: Ok, thanks for the research work. You, unlike others, at least provide some proofs. So, we have now have established some facts that are undisputable: 1. The owner of the Call&Post;, which seemingly started the “Hitler Snubs Owens” lie was Black (we need to find an article abstract to prove it conclusively). 2. The leader of the NAACP at the time of the 1936 Olympics was a Jew. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Elias_Spingarn) 3. The owner of the Call&Post; had connections to the NAACP (we need proof for this) 4. Once we have 1-3, we can then conclusivly state that COMMUNIST Jews (not the ‘Jewish Community’ had a big part in making this lie. 46
Posted by Desmond Jones on Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:55 | # Communist Jews? How do you arrive at that conclusion? Spingarn was a Profeesor of Literature, Billikof was a philanthropist, Rabbi Stephen Wise, a Zionist rabbi, Lillian Wald, a nurse and Henry Moskowitz, a physician. All are members of the Jewish community and served as board members for the NAACP. There never will be enough proof for you because you are continually moving the goal posts. 47
Posted by JB on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11 | # Yawn:
you implied that by winning running competitions negroes somehow demolished Hitler’s talk about the teuton master race (“If I was an outside observer, and heard Hitler’s “Master Race” nonsense, and then watched Owens destroy all of the records, I would deduce that Hitler was a joke too.”), as if the German superiority alleged by Hitler was solely based on their ability to run faster than negroes. Yawn:
never mind the NYTimes repeating the false story, never mind the media doing the same to smear the Third Reich over the tyniest thing they could find, never mind no major media contradicting the myth they had started decades ago. The bias of the US media is an ethnic bias not primarily a political one 48
Posted by jill starr on Fri, 08 May 2009 01:28 | # Serbia & Montenegro on Anti- Counterfieting LAws & EU Standards When traveling throughout Serbia & Montenegro in August for three weeks vacation.
Serbia & Montenegro on Anti- Counterfieting LAws & EU Standards vacation. I also found Serbia & Montenegro banks to be 100% in accordance with EU anti-counterfeiting laws & guidelines. In fact, as an American citizen with a United States Passport, I had an extremely difficult time when attempting to walk into any bank to exchange my United States Dollars into either Serbian Dinars and/or Euros. When exchanging money on my vacation, all bills (U.S. Dollars) had to be crisp and dry, without one tear or crease; I was always asked at all banks throughout my travels in Serbia & Montenegro to present them with more than two forms of official photo ID for transactions. When I asked them why, the bank representatives todl me they have to be extremely careful of counterfeit bills. In fact, I was starving one day with some friends by the Kosovo border and one bank would not even exchange my United States Dollars into Euros at all! We were about 10 meters outside of Kosovo where western media was committing gross lies about hundreds of thousands of refugees being homeless by the borders of ALbanian and Kosovo. I saw noy one person anywhere insofar as refugees and/or homeless people during my trip in mid-August 2002. Yet here I was, in a small ethnic majority Albanian town…anyway, back to my story… I had been swimming earlier in the morning and had gotten all my money wet. Yet here I was, an American citizen and even 10 meters outside of Kosovo, not one Montengrin bank would easily exchange my US Dollars into Euros because it was a bit damp. They would not even exchange it when I showed them my United States valid Passport along with additional forms of Identification. Talk about banks being overly cautious! Since it has become a private joke of sorts between myself and my friends what we had to go back to our hotel rooms often and actually blow-dry our money; almost taking an iron to iron it perfectly dry, before any bank in either Serbia or Montenegro would exchange our currency (no matter how much I whined). WHEN I EXPLAINED TO THE BANK TELLERS THAT I WAS VERY HUNGRY AND NEEDED TO EXCHANGE MONEYS TO BUY LUNCH, AND, ASKED THEM WHY ALL THIS ATTENTION TO MONEY EXCHANGES OF VERY SMALL AMOUNTS UNDER $50- EVEN, I WAS TOLD BECAUSE OF THEIR COUNTRY’S VERY STRICT ENFORCEMENT OF ANTI-COUNTERFEITING LAWS. SO WHEREFORE SHOULD NOT SERBIA AT ONCE GAIN ACCEPTANCE IN THE EU? INSOFAR AS WAR CRIMES, AS A PERSON WHOM IN AUGUST 2002 TRAVERSED FROM THE SERBIAN/CROATIAN ADRIATIC BORDER TO 10 METERS FROM KOSOVO/MONTENEGRIAN BORDER, I DID NOT SEE ANYONE ALBANIAN, SERB AND/OR ROMA NOR ANY REFUGEES IN THE COUNTRY ANYWHERE AT ALL. EVEN IN THE ETHNIC ALBANIAN TOWN WHERE I BROUGHT MY FRIEND’S WIFE TO AN ALBANIAN DENTIST AS A SERBIAN LADY FOR DENTAL CARE, ALL SCHOOL CHILDREN WERE WELL FED, VERY WELL DRESSED AND THEY WALKED UP TO ME (I TOLD THEM I WAS A US POLITICAL SCIENCE STUDENT AND AMERICAN CITIZEN AND THEY DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SERBS AT ALL.) THEY ONLY ALL TOLD ME THEY WANTED TO STUDY IN NEW YORK ONE DAY. BUT AFTER I TOLD THEM ABOUT MY TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE BEING THROWN OUT OF THE NEW SCHOOL FOR SOCIAL RESEARCH IN MANHATTAN FOR MY ANTI NATO VIEWS, THEY TOLD ME PERHAPS THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT THINKING THERE WAS TRULY ACADEMIC FREEDOM ON THE USA. THEN I TOLD THE ETHNIC ALBANIAN STUDENTS NOT TO STUDY IN NEW YORK CITY BECAUSE OF HOW I ALSO WAS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BY FAIRLEIGH DICKINSON AND SETON HALL AS WELL ON ACCOUNT OF THE NEW SCHOOL FOR SOCIAL RESEARCH’S VIOLATING MY DISABILITY RIGHTS. WE DISCUSSED HOW THE NEW SCHOOL DID NOT LIKE MY STRONGLY VOCALIZING MY ANTI-NATO VIEWS TOO AND HOW FDU WOULD NOT ACCEPT MY MA THESIS WELL. DURING MY TRIP I DISCOVERED THE AMERICAN AND WESTERN EUROPEAN NEWS MEDIA WAS LYING TO THEIR PUBLIC LISTENERS. I MYSELF COULD NOT LOCATE ONE REFUGEE ANYWHERE IN EITHER COUNTRY , EVEN 10 METERS OUTSIDE OF KOSOVO ITSELF, I FOUND NOT ONE ETHNIC TENSION AND PEOPLE FROM ALL PARTS OF EUROPE WERE STAYING IN BUDVA MONTENEGRO WITH ME (GERMANY, NETHERLANDS ETC.) WE WERE ALL EQUALLY ENJOYING OUR VACATION. THE MAN AT OUR HOTEL FROM GERMAN PLAYED SOME CHESS WITH ME. JILL STARR IN NJ PS: NO ONE RAN UP TO ME FROM ANY ETHNIC NATIONALITY IN ANY ONE PLACE CRYING TO ME ABOUT WAR CRIMES AND RAPE. SINCE THAT TIME OF MY 2002 VACATION IN SRBIA AND MONTENEGRO, I HAVE PERSONALLY ALSO MET WITH SEVERAL UNITED STATES MARINES STATIONED IN PRISTINA DURING THAT TIME RECENTLY SPENDING TIME IN NEW JERSEY. THEY ALSO TOLD ME “I WAS NOT REALLY LOOKING JILL BUT I DID NOT SEE ONE REFUGEES MYSELF AND I WAS STATIONED IN PRISTINA IN KOSOVO –AND YES THE US AND WESTERN MEDIA MADE UP SOME OF THE LARGEST LIES IN THE WORLD AND LIES AGAINST SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO..” THIS WAS SAID TO ME ABOUT 3 WEEKS AGO BY A SHERIFF’S OFFICER IN PASSAIC COUNTY NEW JERSEY IN 2006. JLS http://sites.google.com/site/jillstarrsite/jillstarrinternationalnewshttp://sites.google.com/ http://sites.google.com/site/jillstarrsite/ http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/ http://obamavideos.bottmer.com/i-am-a-witness-in-the-icc-war-crimes-trials- 10047.barack 49
Posted by Jill Starr on Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:48 | # What It’s Like to Chill Out With Whom the Rest of the World Considers As The Most Ruthless Men: Ratko Mladic, Goran Hadzic and Radovan Karadzic (+) Confessions of a Female War Crimes Investigator By Jill Louise Starr NJ USA Retrospectively, it was all so simple, natural and matter of fact being on a boat restaurant in Belgrade, sitting with, laughing, drinking a two hundred bottle of wine and chatting about war and peace while Ratko Mladic held my hand. Mladic, a man considered the world’s most ruthless war criminal since Adolf Hitler, still at large and currently having a five million dollar bounty on his head for genocide by the international community. Yet there I was with my two best friends at the time, a former Serbian diplomat, his wife, and Ratko Mladic just chilling. There was no security, nothing you’d ordinarily expect in such circumstances. Referring to himself merely as, Sharko; this is the story of it all came about. ‘’‘Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague Court Cannot Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case By Jill Starr http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges against Dr Karadzic and others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not. Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations member states instituting the ICC & ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, Radovan Karadzic, as with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally witnessed these United Nations member states having a substantial conversations, and, openly speaking about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings at the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable trying Radovan Karazdic and others. I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 Preparatory Meetings to establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact caliber of criminal corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a perfectly viable topic of legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate trading verdicts AND judicial appointments, for monetary funding. Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her country’s proposal was not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in a particularly loud and noticably strongly vocal manner, “Spain (my country) strongly believes if we contribute most financial support to the Hague’s highest court, that ought to give us and other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its decisions.” ((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of censoring the country representative from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair judicial idea of bribery for international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all country representatives present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as a ”totally legitimate topic” discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I was quite shocked! The idea was “let’s discuss it.” “It’s a great topic to discuss.” Some countries agreed with Spain’s propositions while others did not. The point here is, bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated as a totally legitimate topic instead of an illegitimate topic which it is in the meeting that I attended in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly emergent international criminal court.)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) In particular., since “Spain” was so overtly unafraid in bringing up this topic of trading financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial appointments and verdicts in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, “Spain” must have already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was “socially acceptable” for conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing the ICTY and ICC before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological honor student. SPAIN’s diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, Serbia, in all of this is, disgusting morally!SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN “INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT.” I represented the state interests’ of the Former Yugoslavia, in Diplomat Darko Trifunovic’s absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on Serbia’s behalf. ==================================================================================
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Posted by Yawnnnnn on Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:57 | #
Ooh, you mean those nasty Jews?
http://www.forward.com/articles/jesse-owens-man-and-myth-at-the-1936-olympics/
Yes, “they” obviously aren’t saying something ....