Four possible paths for the United Kingdom Independence Party

Posted by Guessedworker on Saturday, 01 June 2013 07:01.

This post is a response to a multi-part question posted by Ex-ProWhiteActivist on the after Eastliegh thread.  I am only setting out the four possible paths that UKIP can go, or be driven, down.  In the conclusion I will also reply to another multi-part question asked on the same thread by Leon Haller.

So ...

The path to marginalisation

... is the Conservative Party’s preferred outcome for UKIP.  Conservative MPs and party managers seem to believe that it is in the gift of the party to engineer it (which it isn’t if the UKIP phenomenon is fundamentally a rage against the political class).  Conservatives must, of course, believe in the marginalisation thesis or they have to relinquish all hope of a 2015 election victory.

In reality, though, there is little hope.  First, quite without the UKIP problem, the Conservative Party is in terminal decline electorally.  Eddie George has turned out to be right when he said in 2010, prior to the General Election, that the party which entered government would be picking up a poisoned chalice, given the unpopular decisions that would have to be taken to pay-down sovereign debt.  He may have signalled some small change in that last week, with the BoE’s forecast of growth.  But the damage is done.  The coalition government has served only to confirm the public in its contempt for the political class.  Even prior to the UKIP explosion, Opinion polls have shown support for the Conservatives only hovering around 30%.  The first ICM survey after the local authority elections had them at 28% as UKIP surged to a new high of 18%, since when a (possibly rogue) Survation poll has put them at 24% and UKIP at 22%.  The Conservatives will not recover popularity now and the Prime Minister will not suddenly become liked or respected (though he may be replaced by someone who is).

Second, this bleak picture masks a bleaker crisis in the Conservative election machine itself.  Local association membership has halved in a decade, and it is the younger and more energetic members who are deserting fastest.  Conservative activism is grey-haired and suffers joint pain in many areas of the country.  It is also outrageously abused by the leader’s inner circle as well, of course, as utterly confused by their liberal metropolitan appetites.  Yet, to be in any position to form a government in 2015, the party must fight an aggressive campaign on the ground and win votes off the other parties. Lose their own core constituency to UKIP and that’s it.  They can’t get back from that.

Third, there is very little room for political manoeuvre in any drive to marginalise the upstarts.  The austerity straitjacket is, well, a straitjacket for government as it is for the economy and the people.  The Lib-Dem coalition partners simply will not contemplate an in-out EU referendum in this parliament, and while the LibDems would be eviscerated in the general election that the collapse of the coalition would trigger, so might the Tories (projections based on long-term polling suggest something like a 90-seat Labour majority).  As for immigration, yes, all the parties concede that the excesses of the Blair/Brown era went too far too fast (entirely intentionally, of course).  But Labour, without the burden of office, has had the freedom to re-invent its image, issuing an apology and taking on-board the widespread criticisms of multiculturalism.  In the next phase of the Jewish programme for the raceless gentile, Ed Miliband has now incorporated Maurice Glasman’s integrationist Blue Labour into a political project that goes by the name of One Nation.  By contrast, the Conservatives are trying to fix things with some managerial tweaks (notwithstanding David Cameron’s candidness in India last February).  Numbers of unskilled migrants from outside the EU are down by 30%, we are told.  The “pull factor” will be weakened by making landlords check for illegal status, apparently.  But these kinds of petty managerial adjustments, while possible in the present poltical climate, just won’t fix the slow-burning disquiet among natives who now feel perfectly foreign in many parts of their own cities and towns.  In other words, we have a de facto situation in which on-going immigration is the wrong target.  Race is the real issue, and British governments simply cannot go there - something I will return to further on.

Still, all life is struggle, even for Tories who don’t have any room for manoeuvre. There have been two readings of the UKIP phenomenon to emerge among those of them who have been talking to the press.  The first - and the leading voices in the party took this line in the immediate aftermath of the May 2nd elections - was to see it as a cry from core supporters that they must try harder ... produce some economic growth ... deal with the welfare issue, the education issue ... get the message out.  Most of all, they must appease the lost voters on the EU, although the means to do so (legislation before the next general election for an in-out referendum at some point in the next parliament) has since been put to bed by David Cameron in a letter to his MPs stating that his LibDem partners will not countenance it, then raised from the dead via a legislative gesture that cannot succeed in the House, then put to bed again, then raised again via a tacitly encouraged Private Members Bill that also has to fail in the House.  Meanwhile, the parliamentary party was split over a wrecking amendment to the homosexual marriage bill, which was saved only with the help of the official opposition.  It’s soap opera politics at its absurd best.

This view that the government just had to “get on with the job” has been quickly and mercifully forgotten.  In any event, it was only ever a form of denial whereby the typical, supposedly Thatcherite UKIP voter’s disaffection with the “modernised” party was seen as shallow, and the problem wasn’t “modernisation” - progressivism, actually - at all.  Not every Conservative agreed with this analysis, of course.  Or to put it another way, some Conservatives comprehend that progressivism isn’t conservatism at all, but its opposite.  Accordingly, the eurosceptic right of the party operates from the assumption that the UKIP voter’s disaffection is about the the things they don’t much like about the modern, progressive party.  This is a bit nearer the mark.  But two decades before Cameron became “the heir to Blair”, even while Margaret Thatcher was making her Bruges speech and Jacques Delors was the bogeyman of Brussels, the eurosceptic right was signally failing to halt the process of ever-closer union.  Its sole achievement these past twenty years has been to correctly discern the character of that process and talk about it (something the europhile left, busy enabling the process, could not afford to do).

What’s new now is not just that UKIP’s rise has forced Downing Street, much against its better judgement, to debate Europe in public.  It’s that after three, four, five decades of seeing English public opinion as a grenade with the pin missing, the party is now seeking, in the case of the progressive Conservatives, to make it safe, and in the case of the conservative Conservatives, to claim it was in their armoury all along.  In neither case, let it be said, are they seeking to actually represent public opinion.  Nor can they do so because opinion is not merely anti-progressive but anti-political.  It holds in contempt a political class that rejects conviction for centrism and service for careerism, that develops policy positions rather than policies (the latter being, in the main, the prerogative of the Commission in Brussels), that esteems international institutions above their own nation .... banks and corporations above their own voters ... African and Asian immigrants above their own people.  The conservative half of the party understands this.  But nobody can do anything practical about it.

In the not at all proven event that the Tories need only develop viable, credible policies to draw support away from UKIP, should they ever manage to do so, UKIP will have to start talking much more about anti-politics.  They will have to talk up their opposition to the political class, and the clean sweep solution they present.  There will have to be some clarification as to what UKIP really is: a party of protest or a party of political and national renewal.  In recent weeks Farage has claimed both that his party is a protest movement and that it has moved on from same.  The more successfully that Conservatives apply policy pressure and the more successfully they move on to what they perceive as UKIP’s ground, the more decisively Farage and Co must opt for renewal ... for fresh ground upon which no Tory foot can tread.

Therefore, expect a more distinct line on the party’s mission.  The extent to which that mission can be communicated to the British public, and chimes with their own rough and ready calculation of the way ahead, will determine the future viability, or otherwise, of the party, and of the bid for sovereignty and freedom for Britain’s peoples which it represents at this time.

The path to re-absorption

There is a second scenario in which UKIP could immolate itself through a formal electoral pact with the Tories.  The temptation to enter into such a pact is driven by the sheer difficulty of overcoming the First Past The Post system, which confronts any minor party.  Even if the levels of support achieved by UKIP in the local elections were repeated at a General Election, no Commons seats would necessarily be won.  It is hard to see how any minor party, so cruelly frustrated in the very moment of its long-anticipated triumph, could pick itself up and apply itself to the electoral process all over again without optimism and belief draining away.

Farage, meanwhile, has made it clear that he wants a UKIP voice in the House of Commons, not least because there must be other strong characters in the party to stand before the public with him.  Representation in the Commons is a rite of political passage for his party, without which it will always be thrown back upon its status as a recepticle for the protest vote.  So an obvious solution is an electoral pact with the Conservative Party in 2015, whereby ten or twelve winnable seats are given up by the Tories in exchange for UKIP standing down in all marginals the Tories have to win to enter office.  Another is standing joint Conservative/UKIP candidates.

Almost as soon as the local election results were in, Stuart Wheeler, the party treasurer and its main donor, let himself get carried away about life at Westminster ... a hung parliament after the 2015 election ... UKIP entering government in coalition with the Conservatives ... an in/out EU referendum ... a block on all the liberal nonsense ... a UKIP minister in one of the great offices of state.  It is a heady prospect.  The only objection to it that Farage has raised in public is that no formal pact is possible while Cameron remains Conservative leader.  Plainly, there is still a great deal of anger at the treatment UKIP has received from Cameron.  But if Farage was truly interested in a pact, one would expect him to say that he could not cooperate without, at the very least, an admission from Cameron that he had made a mistake.  Leaving doors open is, after all, the politic thing to do.

He could, of course, merely be sowing division in Tory ranks - a sound tactic since, as any MP in a marginal constituency will tell you, the electorate never fails to punish a divided party.  But I think one need only look to UKIP’s growing electoral impact in Labour areas to see why Farage isn’t expressing more interest.  He is confident that his party is taking votes off Labour just as it is taking votes off the Tories.  The prospect of a national party, or a least one national to England, is shimmering in the mists ahead.  But it isn’t going to become a reality if the party formally allies itself with the Conservatives.

Worse than that, the miserable condition of the Liberal Democrats is the clearest possible sign that coalition with the Conservatives would end the UKIP project entirely.  Of course, if a referendum on leaving the EU is held and won, there will be those who say the party has achieved its primary purpose.  On what ground would the party campaign as an independent entity?  Even, if by some political fluke, it could survive, it could not expect to achieve power a second time.  The classic case of the small third party, liberal by name and nature and forever in coalition with one of its larger competitors, was that of Hans-Dietrich Genscher’s Free Democratic Party.  But the genscherisation of politics is only possible in a proportional voting system.  FPTP is too hostile to parvenus but nevertheless popular with the electorate, for which reasons Conservatives and Labour will now never give it up.

The path of Establishment culturisation

Daniel Hannan wrote something interesting on his DT blog three weeks ago about why politicians admit to being Eurosceptic only after leaving office:

... because of what Milton Friedman called ‘the tyranny of the status quo’. An immense apparat has grown up around the Brussels system. Disbanding it would mean taking on the Foreign Office, the Home Civil Service, the big multinationals, the mega-charities and NGOs (most of which receive EU subsidies) as well, of course, as the Brussels machine itself. It would consume all the energies of an administration for at least a year. Small wonder most ministers, while grumbling at their powerlessness, prefer to leave things as they stand.

For Friedman’s status quo and Hannan’s immense apparat read “the forces shaping the [new] world” in Tony Blair’s speech on faith and globalisation at Westminster Cathedral on 3rd August, 2008.  Politics, far from being an immovable object, wilts into servitude before the irresistible force of the Establishment, however it is apprehended.  For Blair - and for the “intensely relaxed” Peter Mandelson - it was international finance and the corporate titans of the oil, pharmaceutical, mining, communications, and arms industries, among others.

All this has to be taken alongside the usual consolations of power and proximity to power.  Westminster’s clubable quality, its crusted patina of age and tradition, its meaning in the national life, its sheer, physical fact are highly seductive.  Then there is position, prestige, respect, and for some the scramble up the greasy pole, the trappings of office, “making a difference”, the chance of a place in history, a legacy even ... shiny baubles which so impress, and come to possess, the kind of men and women who are attracted to party politics.  Quite apart from any personal vanity and ambition they may have, and which will certainly prepare the way, the party political type is invariably conformist.  It lacks the substance to interrogate the world.  But without that, the encounter with position and power will quickly degenerate into a slow, de-moralising accommodation with its too, too Faustian realities.  There is certainly nothing special about most UKIP folk in this regard.  They too would be susceptible to the seduction, and fail by degrees to distinguish between, on the one hand, the Established fact and character of power in Westminster and Whitehall and, on the other, the necessary minimum for a political structure of the state.  They would very likely be tempted to protect the source of their advantages from their own cause.  And where would that leave the anti-Establishmentarian and libertarian minority in the party, but at war with them?

On this note it is well to return to the psychology of human personality, and remember the formative nature and truly gravitational power of the noumenal world of which the political is just a tiny sliver, and which not only negotiates with the natural and instinctive in us at every instant, always pulling the personality away towards the surface, shaping it, informing it, creating not a man knowing his own truth and permanence but a man - one among the multitude - merely of his time and place.  This is the ultimate and universal enculturalisation, from which in general only the most subtly perceptive of us may detach for a while; and from which in any particular detail - freedom of the political mind, say - only those with a question, a Heideggerian sense of being-at-odds, a sense of the absurd or the tragic or the historical, may stand apart.  Conformists need not apply.  For this is the stuff of which revolutionaries are made.  The question is: do UKIP’s leading figures have it?  Do they truly understand the revolutionary moment which is presenting itself in Britain and all across the European world, and can they seize it?

The revolutionary path

Ex-ProWhiteActivist asked “what are the best case scenarios you see for UKIP?”  There is only one.  Simply to force an EU referendum upon a Conservative leader in Downing Street ... simply to remain the party of protest at Britain’s subservience to Brussels, popular at each European election, popular in mid-term, is to miss that revolutionary moment.

It could easily be missed.  With no doubt now that members of Cameron’s circle routinely disdain their own party activists as “swivel-eyed loons”, there must be many active members who are considering the switch to UKIP.  A resultant infusion of right-wing Tory voices, if substantial enough, could crystallise UKIP as “the real Conservative Party” with selected libertarian instincts, anti-Brussels instead of anti-Establishment, anti-left instead of anti-liberal.  That would mire UKIP on the traditional right and stunt its development.  It seems to be a risk that has to be taken in the drive to grow the party:


Nigel Farage’s press advertisement appealing to Tory activists in the wake of the “loongate” affair.

At present UKIP takes 60% of its support from disaffected Conservative voters.  The rest are non-ideological Labour voters, nationalists, protest voters, and new or elapsed voters.  This is a unique and, obviously, highly dynamic profile.  It might need another four or five years before the form of party support finally crystallises, though things are moving at a hell of a lick.  We can say two things about it today.

First, the concerns of UKIP supporters are ordered somewhat differently to the stated priorities of the party itself.  According to YouGov’s on-line panel-based polling, the ordering of the former is:

Which of the following list best reflects your reasons for voting UKIP?

Want immigration reduced: 76%
Want Britain to leave Europe:59%
Unhappy with major parties: 47%
Unhappy with Cameron government: 25%
UKIP reflect personal values and beliefs: 2-%
Positive impression of Nigel Farage: 15%
Sends a message: 14%
Unhappy over gay marriage: 12%
New party deserves a chance: 9%
UKIP would run the country well: 8%
Don’t know: 1%
Something else: 0%

Compare this with the conventional view of the voter’s priorities from a generally sampled Ipsos MORI poll for the Economist, conducted by face-face interviews in April:

What do you see as the most/other important issues

Economy: 49%
Unemployment 33%:
Race-relations/immigration: 31%
NHS: 23%
Crime/Law and order: 15%
Poverty/Inequality: 14%
Inflation/Prices: 13%
Education/schools: 12%
Housing: 12%
Pensions/benefits: 12%

There has been one serious, polling-based attempt within Conservatism to understand this phenomenon.  It’s author is former Conservative Party chairman Michael Ashcroft.  He privately polled 20,066 adults between 9 and 19 November 2012.  He writes:

The single biggest misconception about the UKIP phenomenon is that it is all about policies: that potential UKIP voters are dissatisfied with another party’s policy in a particular area (usually Europe or immigration), prefer UKIP’s policy instead, and would return to their original party if only its original policy changed.

In fact, in the mix of things that attract voters to UKIP, policies are secondary. It is much more to do with outlook ... UKIP, for those who are attracted to it, may be the party that wants to leave the EU or toughen immigration policy but its primary attraction is that it will “say things that need to be said but others are scared to say”. Analysis of our poll found the biggest predictor of whether a voter will consider UKIP is that they agree the party is “on the side of people like me”.

While this is insightful in its way, it stops well short of explicating the emerging spirit of the age.  As we see below, Ashcroft can’t bring himself to say “Look, this is England and these people are English.  Why the hell should they want Africans and Asians running around everywhere?  And why the hell should they cheer on politicians who have made it happen?”  Instead, “life” has mysteriously and “simply” changed.  It has not been changed by politicians of all three parties following policies that have never been put before the electorate in the pursuit of objectives that have never been disclosed:

Where voters are driven towards UKIP by a deeper unease simply with the way life has changed in modern Britain, there are clearly limits to how far the Conservatives want to share their view. The Tories said once before that Britain was becoming a foreign land; we told those who agreed that if they came with us we would give them back their country. As we found, there is no future in that kind of approach for a party that aspires to govern, or appeal beyond a disgruntled minority. We cannot “dog whistle” to them that we share their view, in the hope that nobody else will notice.

There is probably little love lost between Ashcroft and Michael Howard, who was Conservative Party leader when"Tories said once before that Britain was becoming a foreign land”.  They clashed in 2004 over a £2 million donation that Ashcroft, the party’s biggest donor, wanted channelled to his preferred candidates, not into party coffers.  In actuality, in his leader’s speech to conference that year Howard opened his remarks on immigration in his customary oleagenous style:

The British people are open, generous and compassionate.  We have a proud tradition of giving refuge to people fleeing persecution, and welcoming families who want to settle here and work.  We have a long tradition of firm but fair immigration controls.

What followed was a standard plaint against the border management of the party then in power:

But today, immigration is chaotic and out of control.  Four out of five failed asylum seekers are never removed from the country.  And government officials have granted work permits which they knew to be fraudulent.

All this rankles with people. They feel their tolerance and fairness are being abused.  And they are increasingly concerned about the impact of immigration on our public services - our schools, hospitals and transport.  But that’s hardly surprising.  Immigration has doubled under Labour.  And we have a Home Secretary who believes that there is “no obvious upper limit to legal immigration”.

He then made just two commitments: to “signal Britain’s intention to pull out of the 1951 UN Refugee Convention”, and to “enable Parliament to put an annual limit on the number of people who come to Britain.”

Howard’s Conservative manifesto for the 2005 General Election placed immigration well down the list of voter concerns.  When it did tend to the issue, it opened with the regulation death-trope:

Britain has benefited from immigration. We all gain from the social diversity, economic vibrancy and cultural richness that immigration brings.

Its closing paragraph stated:

We are committed to making a continued success of Britain’s diversity.

... as if we didn’t know.  The only sentence in it with any real radical edge was this:

There should be popular consent for further demographic change.

But the thought was left hanging there, unexplored.  The hard promises the Manifesto actually made were:

• Australian-style points system for work permits
• Parliament to set annual immigration limit
• UK to take fair share of refugees
• 24-hour security at ports
• British Border Control Police

... all of which are completely uncontroversial eight years later, and some already law.  Howard foreshadowed the future of immigration legislation.  So what is Ashcroft really saying when he writes “there is no future in that kind of approach for a party that aspires to govern”?  He is saying - although he does not know it - that events are running beyond his party’s consciousness of them, beyond the electorate’s consciousness of them.  He is saying he is not interested in those events because they are the wrong events.  They are not events associated with the perpetual left-ward migration of the polity with which Conservatism has to grapple.  He is saying that he cannot think beyond his party’s deep, historical conviction that it must affect the political demeanour, the very rictus, of a Uriah Heep, only less sincere, to ingraciate itself with what it sees as a permanently hostile, centre-left electorate.

In repudiating the “disgruntled minority”, therefore, Ashcroft is making more than just a move in the electoral game.  He is doing that very Conservative thing of accepting, without demur, a demographic, moral and economic status quo imposed by anti-conservative forces.  He is ceding the discourse, and any suggestion that, notwithstanding the graphic ideological successes of the Thatcher era, Conservatives can ever be an author of it.  This is the true condition of conservatism in a liberal thought-world.  It applies to the GOP as much as it does to the Tories.  It constitutes an abbrogation of the politician’s function of re-creating the world out of his own principles.  It reduces conservatives to mere idolators of power.  We are back to the culturalisation of the Establishment, and to this moot question of the real nature of UKIP.  Can it break the mold?

Of course, the nature of UKIP is still a work in progress.  I said that there are two things we can say about that, and the second, very important one is that it is a party of synthesis.  This is unique.  Forget the old One Nation Tories and the new One Nation Labour.  Forget the Thatcherites, forget New Labour, forget Red Tories, forget Blue Labour.  Nobody, absolutely nobody, has succeeded in performing the alchemical feat of synthesing electoral support from the broad left and right which this party is developing.  Electoral synthesis is the philosophers stone of British politics.  Its secret appears to lie in a commonsense understanding as to what is “centrist” and what “extreme”, an understanding which is, once again, quite at odds with the presumptions of the mainstream.  From the YouGov research cited earlier:

UKIP is widely seen as to the Right of the Tories – but that is not how UKIP voters view themselves. Whereas 60% of Tory voters place themselves to the Right of centre, the figure for UKIP supporters is rather less, 46%. And whereas 25% of Tories say they are in the centre, or even left-of-centre, the figure for UKIP voters is 36%.

A functioning definition of revolution in a democratic structure is precisely the making of a popular orthodoxy, of which the political centre is an expression and a source of legitimacy.  Orthodoxy in our time has become associated with neo-Marxist diktat and coercion.  It is unnatural.  Its primacy is illegitimate. Its purposes are elitist and criminal.  Politically, it is a sitting duck, and UKIP is trading up from popping away at it with an air rifle to shelling it with a mortar.

It is not, of course, UKIP generating any of the freeing events that are coming to pass.  It is merely benefitting from them.  We have reached a point in the metapolitical cycle when the dissonance between the political class, its interests and its projects and the interests and will of the English electorate have separated in a final way, and are moving into opposition.  Issues suppressed by the Establishment are coming to the fore.  The control mechanisms are failing.  The press is weakening.  The political culture is disintegrating.  With few exceptions, Westminster politicians are written off as corrupt dissemblers.  I mentioned above the freedom of the political mind, the concept of a “question”, a “Heideggerian sense of being-at-odds”, a sense of “the absurd or the tragic or the historical”.  All these disaccommodations are making their appearance.  We are approaching a moment of a paradigmatic shift, and it is UKIP’s moment, if it can navigate its way through the dangers that await it, and become the party of national and political renewal.

If it works for them and the world changes, what will it mean for nationalism?  Well, it will mean a beginning.  Leon Haller asked me some questions, starting with: Will England ever have a nationalist government?  It is now surely clear that nationalism in the English-speaking world does not have the political impetus to break the Establishment stranglehold.  But anti-politics can, it seems, cleave blind loyalties and bring aching questions into the open.  If UKIP succeeds to its fullest potential, then nationalism will have a clear run.  Then the great existential questions which find their place only in nationalist discourse will be heard, and will be answered.  The pendulum will swing onward.  UKIP’s civicism, libertarianism and multiracialism will have become responses to the past and will crumble because, in the new world of possibility, each is gutless and a lie.  UKIP’s party will end here.  The polity will re-form and, to answer Leon’s other questions, England will shake with a new and vivifying radicalism.  In a heartbeat she will repatriate and relocate the peoples colonising her, and all their seed.  But that will be only the beginning, the bell tolling change, as the politics of emergent identity clarify and energise.

Leon’s last question is: Will England have a domestic race war, and, if so, in which decade?  I have said for many years that the political opportunity must be seized and meaningful progress entered upon by around 2025.  If that does not come to pass, then the very forces of disintegration that are generating the opportunity today, given new force by the inevitable, dehumanising political and technological oppression to which the waning Power will turn, will cast aside political efforts and politically-thinking people.  Other men with other methods will step forward, and within a decade there will be open conflict, with all the suffering and uncertainty that brings.

Everything is at stake.  We must be free.  But more than that, we must live.



Comments:


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Posted by Bill on Sat, 01 Jun 2013 08:40 | #

Thanks GW for this opus, I thought you’d gone walkabout.  Now I can see what you’ve being doing all this time absent.

Of course I have not read all of your piece, even less absorbed the content.

But this is what has caught my attention so far.  It is this…

Of course, the nature of UKIP is still a work in progress.  I said that there are two things we can say about that, and the second, very important one is that it is a party of synthesis.  This is unique.  Forget the old One Nation Tories and the new One Nation Labour.  Forget the Thatcherites, forget New Labour, forget Red Tories, forget Blue Labour.  Nobody, absolutely nobody, has succeeded in performing the alchemical feat of synthesing electoral support from the broad left and right which this party is developing.  Electoral synthesis is the philosophers stone of British politics.

My mood is one of the hour is late, the architects have irrevocably broken the mould of Western civilisation, there is no going back to what was.

The party political system that has endured has succeeded only in delivering failure, it is breathing its last, as you have indicated clearly above.

The elites vision is world run by themselves, for themselves, as for the teeming billions it will be serfdom.

Can humble UKIP sow the seed of realism sufficiently to raise the conscientiousness of white people everywhere?

This problem is not confined to Britain alone, the solution will be brought about elsewhere, UKIP will be a transitory enabler.  Let us wish it well. 

 

 


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Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:48 | #

Not to disregard the post (though I remain disgruntled about my earlier comment’s disappearance), but I wonder how true the following is, and where, if it is indeed other than neoliberal wishful thinking, it fits in with GW’s analysis?

Graham Lister’s Worst Nightmare

The strange rebirth of liberal England

Young Britons have turned liberal, both socially and economically. Politicians need to get on their side

Jun 1st 2013 |


FOR the past 170 years The Economist has consistently advocated free trade, punctured government bloat and argued for the protection of individual liberties. It has also been consistently disappointed. Irksomely, political parties tend to plump either for economic liberalism or for social liberalism. Sometimes a small party boldly tries to combine the two—and is rewarded by becoming even smaller. In the United States our creed is so misunderstood that people associate liberalism with big government, when it advocates the opposite.

Yet now Britain, The Economist’s home, the land of Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill and William Gladstone , there is reason for hope. Young Britons have turned strikingly liberal, in a classical sense.

They are relaxed, almost to the point of ennui, about other people’s sexual preferences, drug habits and skin colour. Although, like older Britons, they do not think much of mass immigration, they are tired of politicians banging on about it. As for the row over gay marriage, soon to trouble the House of Lords, they can hardly see the problem.

The young want Leviathan to butt out of their pay cheques as well as their bedrooms. Compared with their elders, they are welfare cynics. Almost 70% of the pre-war generation, and 61% of baby-boomers, believe that the creation of the welfare state is one of Britain’s proudest achievements. Under 30% of those born after 1979 agree. The young are deficit-reduction hawks. They worry about global warming, but still generally lean towards Mill’s minimal “nightwatchman state” when it comes to letting business get on with it: they are relaxed about the growth of giant supermarkets, for example.

This is not just the young being the young. Rather, it is a generational change. In 1987 Britons aged between 18 and 34 were less likely than all other age groups to agree with the proposition that benefit cuts would encourage people to stand on their own two feet: now the young are more hard-hearted than most. They are also more socially liberal than were previous generations at the same stage of life.

There are several explanations for this commendable fashion. The young have grown up in a more mixed society. During their formative years they were exposed to the internet—an organ with an inbuilt resistance to government meddling. Perhaps most important, society has become less generous to them. In 1998 a new Labour government abolished student grants and introduced fees of £1,000 (then $1,656) a year. These have swelled to a maximum of £9,000. The loans are on such generous terms that this is still a form of welfare, but it does not feel like it. In 2010 the coalition government abolished the Education Maintenance Allowance, which had been paid to English teenagers from poor families to persuade them to stay in school. The old, by contrast, have been granted more generous pensions, and will shortly be protected against having to sell their houses to pay for residential care. Small wonder they treasure the welfare state.

Young Britons seem unusual. In America the young are noticeably liberal on gay marriage but less keen on abortion (admittedly a subject where liberalism is harder to define). Some polls hint that young Americans are more inclined than their elders to think that the government ought to do more.[in part this is because the young in the US are less white than ever before, and nonwhites are far more socialist than whites - LH] A French poll suggests les jeunes are becoming less iconoclastic.

Britain’s teenagers and 20-somethings might turn statist when they have children, and more so when their knees give out. They might develop less tolerant views on sex and drugs when their offspring become teenagers. [They might also become less tolerant of diversity as more of then get hacked to death in broad daylight. LH] But they will not turn into their parents. Fundamental opinions about society are like bones: they are shaped in youth.

The problem, for those who love freedom, is that the young lack political clout. The average MP is 50 years old; the average councillor is 60; the average member of the House of Lords is 69. The old vote, even in local elections. They dominate constituency associations. They are driving the most disruptive force in British politics: the fast-rising UK Independence Party (UKIP), which wants to return Britain to a prelapsarian state where immigration is low, marriage is heterosexual and Europe is on the other side of the Channel. [isn’t the Old Britain indeed “prelapsarian” compared to the modern jungle? man, I would definitely be a UKIPer - LH]

Still, political parties should heed the young much more than they do. Although people’s fundamental political views do not change much as they age, their propensity to vote does. Today’s distracted libertarians are tomorrow’s dependable voter block. And, to the extent that people’s opinions do shift over their lifetimes, they tend to bend in one direction: towards the views of the young. Everybody has become calmer about homosexuality and more sceptical about welfare over the past few years. But the young were there first. They are political early-adopters and trend-setters.

Far from courting them, the big political parties are running in precisely the opposite direction. Spooked by UKIP, the Conservatives shuffle their feet when the subject of gay marriage comes up. They are preparing to fight the 2015 general election on an anti-immigration platform. Labour has social liberalism to spare. But it has opposed welfare cuts and rediscovered its historical enthusiasm for economic meddling, which it calls “predistribution”. The Chinese leadership quotes Adam Smith more often than Ed Miliband does.

The only politician whose views chime with the liberal young is the hedonistic mayor of London, Boris Johnson. Sterner sorts have a tougher time. George Osborne, the Whiggish chancellor of the exchequer, is loathed by Tories for his social liberalism and by Leviathan’s lackeys for his spending cuts. Nick Clegg, who has tried to steer his Liberal Democrat Party onto classically liberal ground, has even more foes. But these men are not wrong so much as early. They went into politics too soon. One change would help. If 18- to 24-year-olds voted as reliably as the over-65s, it would mean almost 2m more ballots, and politicians would have to pay attention. For the sake of freedom, the young should hurry to the polling station.

Wait until the young Mohammedans outnumber the young natives. How ‘liberal’ will England be then?


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Posted by Bill on Sat, 01 Jun 2013 11:43 | #

@ 2

Leon

They are relaxed, almost to the point of ennui, about other people’s sexual preferences, drug habits and skin colour.

Very true, but this has not been a natural occurrence, it has been deliberately engineered since the 60’s by the BBC and its ilk.  And they’re still on the case.

I know it doesn’t matter, even if has been deliberately engineered, it’s in situ, so what!  Waddya gonna do about it?

The media have brainwashed at least two generations into what they are today, and the conservative’s allowed them do it.  Liberalism has won out.

Why do I think this?  Because I’ve seen it happening over the years with my own eyes.

I would have liked GW to have touched on how our political system has been hijacked by a bunch of thugs forming a cabal and stealing any pretense at people democracy right from under our nose.

When and how did this happen?


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Posted by DanielS on Sat, 01 Jun 2013 13:49 | #

GW, read and appreciated the essay. I’m happy to be that much more informed about British politics.

What I might add is that perhaps the war might not be waited for, but rather instances of it cited into a fact of consciousness that it is here now.

In response, these above ground political efforts are necessary. Who but the most dishonest could argue politically, that Britain should not be openly and honestly for the native British?

However, given the dishonest nature of what is being dealt with, an underground, infiltrations and so forth, rather many individuals underground, are also necessary - coordinated only by a background of common narrative cause.

With that, in addition, parallel efforts, plural, are necessary: parallel politics, cultural efforts, ways of making the points of European nativists..


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Posted by wobbly on Sat, 01 Jun 2013 17:11 | #

Good stuff.

Nobody, absolutely nobody, has succeeded in performing the alchemical feat of synthesing electoral support from the broad left and right which this party is developing.  Electoral synthesis is the philosophers stone of British politics.  Its secret appears to lie in a commonsense understanding as to what is “centrist” and what “extreme”, an understanding which is, once again, quite at odds with the presumptions of the mainstream.

Quite. In a way it’s not so much UKIP itself as those tectonic plates shifting and UKIP benefiting - which is unsurprising in a way as nationalist sentiment has been deemed immoral but at the same time the enemy is engaged in an anti-nationalist genocide so any opposition even explicitly non-nationalist gets pushed into an implicitly nationalist direction over time.


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Posted by Jon on Sat, 01 Jun 2013 18:57 | #

“Wait until the young Mohammedans outnumber the young natives. How ‘liberal’ will England be then?”

If all Muslims converted to Christianity,

They would behead anyone who criticised Jesus or questioned his historicity or ridiculed Christianity in any way — after all, they would want such people to “do unto [them]” the same if they were heathen, pagan, blaspheming, idolatrous, atheist sinner scum

They would, rather than keeping their reactions to it mostly at the discursive level, firebomb the museum that exhibited the infamous “Piss Christ” piece and execute the artist, museum director and all staff for reasons outlined above

They would continue to halal-slaughter goats because it’s great fun and good eatin’ too

They would continue to stone adulterers, homosexuals and girls who were raped and cut the hands off thieves for reasons outlined above

They would in general take literally biblical proscriptions against sex outside marriage but interpret the text as figurative as regards serially gang-raping heathen, pagan, blaspheming, idolatrous, atheist sinner scum girls

They would stricktly construe the parts of the Bible concerning the man being the head of the family such the women would have the same lowly place in Christian society as they had in Muslim society and the girls and women would continue to wear the Ninja suit as a cultural thing and symbol of women’s same place in society under Christianity.

Leon, you knucklehead, this is not a religious board. It’s a race board. They’re not Muslims, “Mohammadeans” or Allah-worshippers, they’re Arabs and Negros. Go to one of your zombie cannibal cult forums if you want to talk about the problems “Mohammadeans” cause.


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Posted by Morgoth on Sat, 01 Jun 2013 20:28 | #

I believe there’s a possible ‘‘wild card’’ going make an appearance in the form of Scottish Independence. I think that is the primary reason for the traitor class (in England) trying to save the Union. Here’s the problem, if Scotland gains independence and the Union dissolved, then how do we define the millions of non English living in England? The time has passed when they could ‘‘unpeople’’ us as the Swedish traitor class did to Swedes a few years ago.

I enjoyed the optimism of this post, in 2025 I’ll be 50 years old and, hopefully, spending my time brewing beer, walking in the border country and reading and writing sci-fi/fantasy, instead of sinking hours and hours into reading essays on Jewish psychology, debating ‘‘trolls’’ and generally wading through the misery of the multicult.

First, however, there is much work to be done…


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Posted by The Only Way is UKIP on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 07:50 | #

What most commentators seem oblivious to is the sheer demographic revolution that faces the British electorate in the span of a couple of generations.

To put it bluntly, the non-white vote will, inevitably, increase to the point where it is *the* decisive factor in all British General Elections.

The number of non-whites in Britain now stands at around 10 million. It reliable doubles every 15 years. You don’t need to be Einstein to figure out that in around 30 years (no more distant from us than the Falklands were in the past), the non-whites will constitute an actual majority of the British population and electorate. Way before that day their votes will be the difference between winning and losing. Even if my quick and dirty estimates are wrong, the general thrust is still there. That cannot be denied.

As we all know, the non-white vote goes to Labour. Ergo, a permanent in-built Labour Party majority. Plus the fact that Britain’s myriads of welfare claimaints and public-sector windbags plump for Labour.

Concomitant with the ethnic explosion is the masked, but very real, fact of English demographic collapse.

The likely outcome is to be the bifurcation of British (or English) politics into Labour (the invaders’ party) versus UKIP (the English party). The Tories will likely wither and die. The explicit racial animus between both camps will only get rawer and more obvious as time passes.

My money is on the Invader Party (Labour) eventually prevailing. Things will probably get nasty, in a way nastier than normal British politics.

Interesting times ahead.


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Posted by Bill on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 10:27 | #

Like immigration itself, the full gamut that passes for democratic party politics is being used by the power elite as just another (albeit important) weapon it its armoury.

Maybe the evolution of party politics, whether genuine at the outset or no, was bound overtime to morph into a dictatorial cabal such as we see in Western politics today.  Looking back over several decades, I doubt whether the people has ever had any meaningful contribution to make other than providing a bellwether for the elites.

Red team-Blue team revolving door politics, as Carol Quigley wrote, was never anything other than a scam.  When the going got tough, vote the red rascals out, and vote the blue rascals back in.  This way the project continues seamlessly.


The illusion of political choice today is stark, it’s in our face, Blair - Cameron (Obama too) make no pretense and treat the voters as mugs.  Actually they look upon the masses as cattle, the herd who need keeping in their place, the last thing Cameron’s owners want is people involvement in their affairs.  They consider themselves the elite, the intelligent ones, the educated ones, it is they, and they alone who are fit to govern the affairs of this planet upon which we all play out our life.

And it came to pass the political class lost faith in their people and declared war upon them, surely, they thought, our planet would be better off without them.

They hatched a cunning plan.

The scope of this plan goes way-way beyond national party politics, as already mentioned, the scam that is party politics is nothing more than an enabling mechanism to deceive the elite’s enemy, their own people.

For years this website has chronicled the success of the machinations of the elites in its mastery of hoodwinking the herd into colluding with its own demise, nothing quite like it has been seen in the whole of history.

Party political manipulation (along with a myriad of other scams) has outlived its usefulness, it has played a vital role in the elite’s success so far, but its usefulness has come to an end, no longer can the elites maintain the illusion.  The war against their own people is entering a new phase.  Persuasion is to give way for coercion.

The moral of the story so far is this.

There is no longer any point in investing one’s hope in the party political system in the belief of solving the problems that are facing millions of people in an effort to regain their freedom.

The elites know this, that is why they have collapsed the system.
 


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Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:34 | #

ONLYUKIP@8

What is the real UK nonwhite population?

This?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/396390/Migrants-change-UK-forever-White-Britons-will-be-in-minority-by-2066

or this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/may/18/non-white-british-population-ons

or this?

http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/population/size.html

The latter contains, inter alia, the following information:

Population: by ethnic group, 2009

England and Wales

White
48,189,000
87.9%

All minority ethnic population
6,620,000
12.1%

All ethnic groups
54,809,000
100.0%

Source: Experimental Population Estimates by Ethnic Group for local authority districts and higher administrative areas for England and Wales for 2009, Office for National Statistics

OK, so the latter is 4 years old. Also, they are obviously including non-British Europeans in the “white” category. Finally, how many of those counted “white” are actually nonwhite (eg, Jews, possibly Roma? others like Chechens or Turks or even Hispanics?)?

Even so, has the “nonwhite” number in the UK (even without Ulster included) really reached 10 million in 2013, especially as Scotland is overwhelmingly white (per Dr. Lister - I haven’t visited since 1994, though it was gloriously white then)?

The trends of course are all negative. Huge continuing influxes, wildly divergent white/nonwhite fertility, ever increasing miscegenation, and finally the growing age differential between white/nonwhite.

But there still seems to be time for the indigenous to prevent Britain’s becoming The World’s Most Diverse “Nation” (I have to think the US is going to win that dubious title).


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Posted by Thorn on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:42 | #

@ 8

Agreed.

Unfortunately, all one has to do to accurately describe what’s taking place in AmeriKWA is exchange a few key words in your comment. Specifically: Labour to Democrat, Tories to Republicans, and the English demographic collapse to White demographic collapse, and there you have it. Of course this is not a coincidence. The high financiers, as necessary condition for doing business, insist on government enforced policies that are designed to obliterate nationalism and replace it with multiculturalism. That explains why the Conservative side of the equation does virtually NOTHING to stop the massive influx of non-whites into white homelands - they are bought and paid for.

Bottom line: It’s a power play agreed on by those in the ruling class; of course the ruling class’  motivating factor is to maintain their status - that’s top priority!

The illusion of an opposition party (such as the Tories or Republicans) WRT fighting against multiculturalism (race-replacement/white genocide) is just that, an illusion. But there is hope. The only constant in this world is change. And hopefully—with the right moves by nationalists—the change will work in our favor…........FOR A CHANGE!

 

 


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Posted by Thorn on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:50 | #

Ah oh, Leon.

The ever so diligent and attentive DanielS is going to accuse us of ‘working in tandem’ again.

LOL!


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Posted by DanielS on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 13:18 | #

I don’t accuse, I note the fact, whether it happens deliberately or by natural happenstance.

When the chips are down this other character, Thorn The Whatever, will be brought in and perhaps advise on the side that you might try to assimilate more closely the concerns of the secular WN’s, biding your time until the next opportunity comes where you can preach Christianity and thereby make the world safe for..


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Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 13:47 | #

Note who is doubling its population at a rapid clip:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredi_Judaism

Secularism more than anything else has, purely objectively, spelled the end of the West.

I would be militantly proChristian (traditionalist) even if I were an atheist. GW’s hoped for “Golden Dawn” (see above) will never occur without a religious Great Awakening to accompany the race awakening.

The genius and enduring power of the Jews comes from their unity of race and religion.


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Posted by DanielS on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:06 | #

“The genius and enduring power of the Jews comes from their unity of race and religion.”


Typically glowing, fawning, philosemitic terms put forth by Leon Haller.


There is no genius to the unity of race and religion - it is the most common sense.

It is what White Nationalism is about: our race is our religion.

Christianity, on the other hand, is not about our race. It is not our religion, but an alien imposition.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 15:16 | #

Leon Haller: GW’s hoped for “Golden Dawn” (see above) will never occur without a religious Great Awakening to accompany the race awakening.

I may be more religious by orders of magnitude than you, Leon.  The millions of mere believers simply don’t perceive that belief in the notion of “God”, however intense the emotional loading associated with faith, is only the love of a totem in the wasteland.


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Posted by Silver on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 15:53 | #

Haller’s not entirely wrong, I’m sure.  But you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt, otherwise you’ll be as deluded as to the profundity of his cocksure accounts as he himself is.


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Posted by Jon on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:53 | #

“The genius and enduring power of the Jews comes from their unity of race and religion.”

The überidiocy of Christianity is that not only will they passively but reluctantly let any and all Third-World detrius become members of the church, they actually go out and actively recruit them. Seriously, Leon, you can come up with something better than that, can’t you?


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Posted by Thorn on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:37 | #

“The genius and enduring power of the Jews comes from their unity of race and religion.”

I agree and disagree.

Let me explain.

The Jews are more like a perpetual mafia. Even though they are VERY diverse group, both racially and religiously, they still can function as a close-knit group of people whom look out and protect one another’s interests. Whatever their religious beliefs or their ethnic origin or their political affiliations, they look upon themselves first and foremost as Jews.

A wise Jew once said: Jews can be defined more by what they are not rather than what they are. And what they are not is Christians.

 

“The feature of Jewish exceptionality is unassimilability ...
    In modernity the Jews again slip through the grasp of
    Gentile attempts to comprehend them. Are the Jews a
    race, a nation, or a religion, modern Gentiles and Jews
    asked. The answer depended upon the interest of who
    was asking.” 
                              —Adam Weisberger, discussing the works of Moses
                                  Hess, 1997, p. 128
             

WHO/WHAT IS A JEW? 

  At this point, before we go any further, it is necessary to pose what one would think to be a relatively simple query: What, dare we ask, is a Jew anyway?  Who are they? Who qualifies for admission?  What are the criteria for inclusion as a bonafide member of the Chosen People, secularly, religiously, or any other way? And for the Jewish masses that endlessly wail, rage, and breast-beat about enemies who have allegedly assailed them relentlessly throughout history, and for all the heralded Jewish oppressors who thought they could clearly identify and persecute the people who they hatefully despised, it is bizarrely enigmatic that by the end of the twentieth century even Jews cannot—in consensus—decide exactly who and what they are. It is, strangely enough—as growth pains of modern Israel have borne witness—an in-house controversy of the most profound dimensions. For if the state of Israel was founded as refuge for world Jewry, and if any Jew in the world has the innate right to be admitted there as an Israeli citizen, who, then, EXACTLY are they?  “Jews live in a world,” says Michael Selzer, “in which, seemingly, no two Jews can agree on what a Jew really is ... [but] every Jew has his own reasons for knowing that he is a Jew.”

read more>>

http://holywar.org/jewishtr/14who.htm

 


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Posted by DanielS on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 19:02 | #

Its been noted that Jews like to pretend they cannot possibly be organized against Whites because they cannot even agree amongst themselves. However, what they are arguing about is “what is best for Jews?”

The reason that they are able to act consistently in their own interests and against European interests is because they are a biological system, genetically patterned in antagonistic, parasitic relation to indigenous European peoples.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 21:46 | #

Thorn,

Thanks for that great online book link! Every WP should read it.

I don’t know that Jews “are VERY diverse group, both racially and religiously”. The former claim ought to be examined genetically. I believe such studies as have been done show strong Jewish commonality. As to the latter, I don’t know enough to say. I’m aware of religious divisions within Judaism, but I wonder how different they really are at bottom?

I agree though that a huge element of Jewish identity is ethnocentrism and rejection of Christianity.

I have often said that Jews have no place in Europe, and must, like the Muslims, be repatriated. One could fairly make an argument that this is for their own ultimate safety in the event of indigenous racial uprisings, but really it’s for the Europeans’.

Outside of Europe, however, I think Jewish ethnic cleansing would be both morally problematic, and extremely improbable. In the US, I favor WPs trying to persuade Jews that their own communal interests align with those of whites, esp wrt ending nonwhite immigration. WN antisemitism in the US (I suspect also Canada, and probably Australia) is just a guaranteed tactical loser. WN will never grow strong unless it relentlessly keeps the focus on RACE, and away from the JQ. Doing so might find many Jews are our allies (eg, Michael Savage and his “Borders, Language, Culture” mantra). 


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Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 22:45 | #

Leon,

You appear not to realise that when nationalists interested in the Jewish Question say that Jews are evolved to compete as a group with the European host, their meaning is that the European psychology and traits are the Jewish environment of evolutionary adaptiveness.  By this reading, the “positive” ameliorative behaviours you are familiar with (humour, personableness) and the negatives of exploitation of European self-criticism, trust, compassion, guilt, etc all appear as fruits of adaption.  By way of this mirror image what you see, therefore, is the sincerest Jewish view of the European race, and it is not an unflattering picture.

Of course, no race of Man should suffer such attentions.  There has to be a solution so that Europe’s peoples might finally live sovereign and free.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 02 Jun 2013 23:01 | #

The überidiocy of Christianity is that not only will they passively but reluctantly let any and all Third-World detrius become members of the church, they actually go out and actively recruit them. Seriously, Leon, you can come up with something better than that, can’t you? (Jon)

What moral obligations the Christian white man owes to nonwhites are very complex issues, implicating some of the deepest elements of theology (although they are almost never addressed in the terms WPs would like), like the value of the temporal world, and the legitimacy of a secular realm. Is patriotism theologically allowable? Is it mandatory? (I hold that race realism is a necessary part of any national patriotism.) What are the ethical obligations that different tribes owe each other? Are they the same as those owed within the tribe? What are the scope or limits of individual and communal rights? To what extent must Christians accept existing social or political conditions, even if they have arisen from past injustices? What methods can they use to change those they find disagreeable?

There are a lot more fundamental questions, of course.

I haven’t fully worked out my analysis, and won’t be finished for many more years. Like any theorist, I start with certain hypotheses, which I seek to prove, but which I might at some point conclude I must discard (though I rather strongly doubt it).

My metathesis is:

1) that Western Civilization is uniquely (objectively) valuable (not merely precious to me subjectively);

2) that it, in the words of the late Sam Francis, “could not have been created [nor will it survive - LH] apart from the genetic endowments of the European peoples”;

3) that for a Christian, any political agenda must be ultimately justifiable theologically;

4) that the racial diversification of white societies has been unethical, esp insofar as it has been coerced (though perhaps also even if it had been democratically supported - a much more interesting inquiry);

5) that it is morally allowable (I would say “mandatory” - again, a tougher but more interesting argument) for whites not only to stop all immigration invasions, but, at least in the ancient, ‘thick’ ethnocultures of Europe, to demand the reversal of the previous ones (geographic repatriation);

and finally,

6) that there is an absolute moral right to freedom of association and disassociation, both individually and ethnocommunally (at least for the culturally superior: ie, those who are bearers of Western Civ, ie, whites), in “New World” or originally uncivilized territories [“uncivilized” defined as those places which either lacked settled existences and defined property rights, especially where sparsely inhabited (eg, North America, most of South America, Australia, Southern Africa), at the time of European contact, or whose civilizations were irredeemably barbaric by Christian (ie, ontologically eternally true) moral standards (eg, the Meso/South American civilizations)], such that whites may (though are not required to) disunite from larger national wholes to form their own racial states (ie, recreated miniatures of the larger Western Civ).

Obviously, my target audience is white Christian conservatives, like me, who know in our hearts that immigration and diversity are bad for us, and threaten all we hold most dear, considered communally and over time, but who are morally-racially confused as to the proper response in light of the intellectual dominance of the (ridiculous, if not completely incoherent) antiracist narrative (which is really just antiwhite, but does contain enough kernels of legitimate Christian concern to be plausible, at least to the intellectually superficial majority). A lot of recent opinion surveys in the US have shown that whites overwhelmingly believe that America’s best days are behind us (I certainly do). I emphatically hold that the reason for this pessimism in contemplating the future (along with the fatal political apathy and quietism it breeds) is simply that most of the conservative majority of whites know that nonwhites are both alien as well as civilizationally inferior to us, and that their presence makes the US a crappier country for us - yet we resignedly think that to oppose ongoing diversification, to standup and fight for our whiteness, is somehow morally wrong. So we sigh, quietly shake our heads, and do nothing.

I said that a majority of white Americans are politically/culturally conservative. That is a sociological fact. A further fact is that a majority of that majority is Christian (I suspect that a majority of non-conservative white Americans are non-Christian, whether Jewish or secularist). If WNs idiotically succeed in associating in the public mind (perfectly legitimate) white rights advocacy and racial preservationism with opposition to Christianity, then they will have consigned whites in America to permanent communal powerlessness.

So my work, at least in America, is far more useful than other types of white racial politics or theorizing. It is, indeed, the only game in town.

I would argue the same for Europe, too - though that is a much more involved discussion, and I’m wanting my supper fairly soon.   

 

 


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Posted by Selous Scout on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 01:03 | #

Leon, your Christianity is increasingly tiresome. Give it a rest.

When the war discussed here eventually begins, what good will your Christianity do? We need men and women willing to do the unthinkable, in order to live. Christians aren’t up to the task, seeing as they will perceive any and all methods to fight back, to survive and prevail, as “morally problematic.”

Jon writes:

“The überidiocy of Christianity is that not only will they passively but reluctantly let any and all Third-World detrius become members of the church, they actually go out and actively recruit them.”

Not only that, but they often marry, breed with, and adopt such creatures.

Here are Leon’s beloved Christians at work:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/01/us/moved-to-adopt-evangelicals-find-children-and-pitfalls-abroad.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Truly, Christianity is an illness.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 02:30 | #

SelousScout@24

I would say it’s the anti-Christianity amongst nationalists too stupid even to correctly repeat my own positions before criticizing them that’s the problem. Why don’t you and others actually attempt to assess and critique what I write on the issue of Christianity and WN, esp, eg, the following:

I said that a majority of white Americans are politically/culturally conservative. That is a sociological fact. A further fact is that a majority of that majority is Christian (I suspect that a majority of non-conservative white Americans are non-Christian, whether Jewish or secularist). If WNs idiotically succeed in associating in the public mind (perfectly legitimate) white rights advocacy and racial preservationism with opposition to Christianity, then they will have consigned whites in America to permanent communal powerlessness.

My grandfather was a staunch Catholic who volunteered to fight in WW1. He was a tough guy his whole life. My dad was not much of a Christian (a lapsed Protestant), but he certainly revered the achievements of Christian civilization, and always thought the decline of TRADITIONAL Christianity a huge loss for America and civilization in general. He killed Japs in the Pacific War, and never regretted it. My uncle is a staunch Catholic who volunteered for the military, and stayed in to fight in Vietnam. He is still a hardcore white preservationist who likes to shout “Remember the Liberty!” and “Israel is an enemy”.

Innumerable Christian men have fought the alien repeatedly throughout our racial history, from Poitiers to Fallujah. They saw no conflict with their religious ideals. Every day in the US a Christian white man kills a mud criminal in defense of life or property. The notion of average Christians being pacifistic Jesus freaks (Christian pacifism is itself a heresy) is totally belied by history and commonsense. Using the fact that some Christians are pro-immigration disloyalists (I reserve the term “traitors” for those, like Tony Blair, who actively sought to undermine their race, not for well-meaning fools) to impugn all Christians, would be like me pointing to those secular liberals advancing the antiracist agenda as indicative of all secularists. The knife cuts both ways.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 02:49 | #

SelousScout@24 Anyway, the whole point of tough WN poses in the USA may not amount to much. I repost an earlier comment:

Posted by Leon Haller on May 26, 2013, 03:21 AM | #

I enjoy listening to the podcasts of Harold A Covington, I would regard him as the among the most ‘‘extreme’’ and therefore truthful of any I come across within the Nationalist scene. He makes the point that the establishment know the military is likely to side with whites in America so the Police are being fully tooled up into a military force in their own right. (Morgoth)

I don’t know much about Covington (someday I might read his novels - but that’s a long time off; I’ll read Englishman Derek Turner’s recent one much sooner). I wish his Northwest Front well, from what I know of it.

[BTW, “extreme” absolutely, positively DOES NOT CORRELATE with “truthful”, at least in the US (perhaps this is true in totalitarian countries like Britain or France). In my experience it is the paleoconservatives (some of them, anyway) and academic race-realists (but not WNs, let alone neo-nazis) who tend to be the most truthful among ideological groupings.]

Assuming the views on military and police in the USA you attributed to Covington are accurate, I must disagree. I wouldn’t necessarily say the truth is exactly the opposite, but it’s certainly closer to the opposite than to that stated. I have some different friends and acquaintances amongst whom are both ex-military as well as ex-cops. I’ve asked their opinions on these matters (they’re all pretty conservative/nationalist, btw).

The US military is a highly racially integrated institution, including in its command structure (notwithstanding affirmative action liberal pleading about the lack of minorities (and, still more ludicrously, women!) among senior personnel; they are still overrepresented when real qualifications are considered). The whites in it certainly once were far more conservative than the general population. But that was a while ago (pre-90s). The military, esp beginning two decades ago with the evil Clinton Admin, has made huge ‘strides’ not only in fostering structural racial integration, as well as vicious affirmative action promotions (how did an airhead like Colin Powell ever become National Security Advisor and Chairman of the JCS, as well as Defense Secretary and later Secretary of State?), but in weeding out any (white, and ONLY white) “racists” (defined as anyone who might publicly question any aspect of the PC Agenda, but especially the Racial PC agenda, which of course is the major PC concern; feminist and homosexualist issues are really just comic sidelights).

There still are some true white soldiers (esp, my ex-SEAL acquaintance told me, in the special forces, which are the least affirmative actionized branches of the services, except for fighter pilots - even the military is concerned about handing the ‘keys’ to billion dollar planes to morons), and it’s possible that the white soldiery is still somewhat more conservative (‘conservative’ in the relevant, that is, ‘tribal’, sense) than the general white population if only because it is hugely disproportionately male (obviously), heterosexual, Christian, rural, and working class, and probably patriotic.

But what is the content of their patriotism? Is it racial - a psychological association of “America” with “White America” - or just generic; that is, a patriotism that sees, say, if not Obama (given his leftist/pacifist/Ivy League-ist orientation), then Michael Jordan or Denzel Washington or some Asian or Jewish general, as just as “American” as George Washington or John Wayne or Douglas MacArthur, and sees any nonwhite American as closer in spirit and ‘tribe’ than some European national? I don’t know the answer, but I have neither read nor heard anything suggesting that today’s US military, even its not overwhelmingly large white components, is particularly traditionalist in its attachments. I think whites in the military are a lot like whites in the general US population, only perhaps a bit less liberal, as one might expect of persons volunteering to become warriors.

And again, don’t forget there are a lot of nonwhites in the military. I’ve heard the number is about a third. I found this:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/

As of 2010, it says whites are 71%. But “whites” definitely includes Jews, and might include even certain Middle Eastern types (Chechens, Turks, maybe Arabs, for all I know). So the 2/3 vs 1/3 breakdown might be accurate.

I don’t think the US military would be either pro- or antiwhite. It would follow its orders. Claims about “white supremacists” or “superpatriots” in the military are more hopeful than substantive (and probably mostly fodder for, if not propaganda from, antiwhite hate groups like the ADL and the SPLC). Real patriots, let alone race patriots, tend to get weeded out in favor of determinedly neutral careerists.

The police, OTOH, is a more interesting issue. Yes, American cops, esp in the big cities, are becoming more militarized. And PC indoctrination is in full force there, too. But my cop friends tell me that there is still a lot of racial tension within urban police depts, and that it never really goes away. This is due to the facts that most street crime is committed by nonwhites (and so most of the dangerous dirtbags cops have to deal with are nonwhites, and this does wear over time), as well as the continuing racial politicization of police depts, esp urban ones. This politicization ranges from constant “civil rights” harassment and threats from “the community” (mostly black), to simmering white (esp male) anger over manifest and totally recognized and understood affirmative action injustices in officer promotions (which are possibly even worse for the police than the military).

Moreover, my cop friends have told me that the PC indoctrination is having very little real psychological penetration among white officers. If anything, things may be moving in a more positive direction. For example, recent years have seen the rise of a number of “white officers’ associations”, and attempts to organize such associations (ones for nonwhites are ubiquitous, of course).

Finally, let’s not forget that American law enforcement ranges from the Feds, who are possibly the least communally patriotic (though I once had the opportunity to meet a whole bunch of Secret Service officers, and they were a uniformly conservative bunch; “conservative”, though whether also secretly racialist, no one divulged to me), all the way to the local sheriff of a small town or county, who would be far more likely to side with his community (as he’s often from it) in any conflict than with outside powers.

In any event, how white military or police might come down in any general racial conflict in the US is tough to say, though I suspect commonsense would prove the most predictively accurate: at all levels, whites would side with ‘lawful’ authority, and just do their jobs to maintain maximum order, unless and until the situation spun completely out of control, and nonwhites were hunting and exterminating whites as whites indiscriminately, in which case they would join with other whites simply for survival reasons.

But due to America’s ‘thin’ ethnoculture, I don’t think there will ever be any kind of large-scale WN rebellion here. I’m not sure there would be a WN effort even if nonwhites were butchering whites in the streets, which is not how I see white extinction in America unfolding (rather, it will be due simply to continuing, peaceful immigration colonization, and expanding miscegenation, with pure blooded whites an ever-shrinking presence, until they either finally vanish, or a remnant returns to its ancestral European lands). I think particular whites would just try to protect their own families and properties, perhaps joining with their immediate neighbors out of pure self-interest (not racial pride or instinct).

But I think the possibility of nationalist rebellion in the UK, however remote such might appear at the moment, is much, much greater. After all, you not only possess an ancient land and ‘thick’ communal history which you are being dispossessed of, but your dispossessors are both racially alien, and aggressively ideologically so. It really is true that most of America’s aliens colonizers just want to fulfill individual dreams. More Mexicans than whites are criminals and welfare deadbeats, but having interacted with innumerable Hispanics as a Southern Californian for most of my life, I can assure you that most Mexicans do not hate whites (they don’t exactly love us, either, of course). They mostly want to make money off us, legitimately if possible, illegitimately if opportunity arises. They’ll happily take our country if we give it to them, but the idea that Mexicans are going to perpetrate constant terrorist outrages is far-fetched (and note: I am as fierce an antimmigrationist as you’ll meet).

But Muslims? Oh boy, were UK leaders beyond stupid introducing this civilizational cancer into the old country ...

I think the Muzzies will only increase their terrorist attacks, and I have to think nationalists will one day strike back ... which brings us back to the question of military allegiances.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 02:59 | #

SelousScout@24

I believe I already had responded to Scout on another thread. But as these matters never really go away ... The Scout obviously has nothing on ME in terms of recognizing the brutality of what will be necessary to secure white perpetuity:

Posted by Leon Haller on May 31, 2013, 02:38 AM | #

Selous Scout @27

“This is an ETHICAL struggle” (LH)

It is a PHYSICAL struggle, an existential conflict—as I’ve been telling you chaps for several years.

And you still don’t get it.

I hope you’re not referring to me, esp in light of my comment 31 above. I have ALWAYS stated that the survival of Western Man will require PHYSICAL force. I have been saying so loudly for at least 20 years (though I had still then, in the early 90s, held out some slim hope that there would be a Sam Francis-style Middle American Revolt bringing an end to the immigration invasion; instead we got the second Traitor Bush, and the rest is history ...). I have been stating for years, right here at MR, that the race problem is “rapidly moving from a political to a military one”, to quote myself.

By “ethical struggle”, I merely meant that our cause is not only one of raw animal survival, in which group life is seen as its own moral justification, but rather, that true morality (assuming one believes, as I do, in objective moral laws - even if the proper application of those laws in concrete circumstances can be difficult to discern) is on OUR side. WNs don’t need to declare war on traditional Western ethics in order to ensure race survival; we simply need to apply them correctly, for a change.

Again, I certainly did not mean to suggest that a bunch of egghead ontologists or theologians or whatnot will be the actual saviors of the West. That will require hard men willing to destroy our enemies; indeed, to feel the purest (arational) and most exuberant joy in utterly crushing them, in battering their skulls, slitting their throats, gouging their eyes, hacking their limbs, gutting their insides, roasting their corpses (or using them for feed for their dobermans and rottweilers).

But in seeking to recreate such atavistic warriors, we must also ensure they they remain thoroughly moralized, lest they themselves become an anarchic and merely destructive force. Thus the need to update “Crusader ideology” for our own times.


And this seems relevant here, too:

Posted by Leon Haller on May 31, 2013, 03:15 AM | #

I have no desire to force Christianity on anyone. I personally would rather live in a more Christian white state, than in a less Christian one. I admire the Spartans and the Romans, and even the Nazis to some extent, but I myself would not really want to live under those regimes. I like normal, traditional, White Christian America - the Old America 1776-about 1965. It was never perfect, obviously, but what has degraded and is continuing to ruin it is multiracialism.

How religion will work in a white Racial State is a bridge we can cross then. There will have to be some basic libertarian compromises, just as, apart from some recrudescent European ethnostate, there will have to be many intrawhite ethnic compromises (possibly beginning with language, though I suspect English will win by default). After all, many elements in white ethnic identities involve past hostilities with other whites, and celebrations of such will have to be muted in the interests of mass-comity and common survival in a vastly white-outnumbered world. Certainly, in a white republic carved out of the carcass of modern America, there will be many Christians and white non-Christians. They will have to be mutually respectful (though I suspect some aspects of the present Culture Wars - abortion, same sex marriage, divorce laws - will inevitably carry over to the WR). 

My point is merely that WN critiques of Christianity (and even, to some extent, of the JQ) are tremendously yet needlessly divisive. If WNs force a Christian to choose between Christ and race, most are going with Christ (myself included). The obviously more intelligent tack (even for atheist WNs) is to work for the realignment of Christianity with race-preservationism. I don’t mean to imply that to be a Christian one must also be a WN (though I have some leanings that way, albeit not yet fully theorized ... I think supporting white race-replacement is an act of terrible disloyalty, which itself I see as a form of impiety, of disrespecting one’s fathers and even the created order in the deepest sense - again, this is not fully thought out, just an intuition); only that defensively preventing white communities and nations from being demographically overrun and/or genetically annihilated is not impermissible for a Christian. There is nothing in Scripture, or the best theology, that I have found, anyway, suggesting that human groupings cannot maintain their ethnic and territorial cohesion. Just because Christ’s message is available to all doesn’t mean that the temporal world must be abnegated, or in turn, that race, and culture and history must be forgotten or eliminated. Those latter conclusions derive from what I believe is the Christian heresy of liberalism - not from Christianity proper.

When WNs attack the historic faith, they are deliberately contracting the appeal of their ideology. Successful movements focus on broadening their appeal - even at the cost of lessening ideological purity. But I think my own form of WP (which is completely in agreement with the entirety of Paul Weston’s speech) would be vastly more attractive than “CQ” and even JQ WN.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 03:23 | #

GW@22

Not sure what you’re getting at. Jews do well for themselves in white societies. I understand. Jews will always be antinationalist when they are minorities. Got it. Jews need to be expelled from Europe. Got it.

Masterful OP, btw. The key takeaway for me was this:

He is doing that very Conservative thing of accepting, without demur, a demographic, moral and economic status quo imposed by anti-conservative forces.  He is ceding the discourse, and any suggestion that, notwithstanding the graphic ideological successes of the Thatcher era, Conservatives can ever be an author of it.  This is the true condition of conservatism in a liberal thought-world.  It applies to the GOP as much as it does to the Tories.  It constitutes an abbrogation of the politician’s function of re-creating the world out of his own principles. (GW)

Yes, we are always fighting on the other man’s philosophical terrain (I’ve said something like wrt the ethical status of antiracism - it’s ‘in the air’). But changing that thought-world requires first understanding how thought-worlds as a general matter come to be, and that, too, is a very large issue, on which there is no settled consensus, as far as I know.


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Posted by DanielS on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 06:47 | #

If WNs force a Christian to choose between Christ and race, most are going with Christ (myself included). - Leon Haller


WN would be better off if you were to go with Christ, Leon. Especially given your advice that European Americans ought to try to ally with Jewish Americans. Even if it could happen (and it won’t, not to the best interests of Whites), that makes even less sense than for Europeans to try to ally with Jews, which nobody who knows what’s going on can recommend either.


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Posted by Jon on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 06:52 | #

“Not only that, but they often marry, breed with, and adopt such creatures.”

True. If we’d had a racially exclusive religion throughout our history, Mestizos would be few and far between instead of poised to take over the US.


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Posted by Jon on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 07:26 | #

“The obviously more intelligent tack (even for atheist WNs) is to work for the realignment of Christianity with race-preservationism.”

Mass marriages of Spaniards to Indios is not consistent with race preservation, with which Christianity was never aligned the first place. Throughout Christendom, masses of racial aliens turning up on European shores would have been rightly seen as an invasion, with or without Christianity. In the place where we find ourselves now, any religion that’s not explicitly racially exclusive is a liability, no matter whatever other redeeming qualities it may have. Let the Christians who can’t appreciate that drown in the Third World sea.


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Posted by Thorn on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:31 | #

Thanks for that great online book link! Every WP should read it.

You are welcome, Leon. And yes, every WP sould read it.

I don’t know that Jews “are VERY diverse group, both racially and religiously”. The former claim ought to be examined genetically. I believe such studies as have been done show strong Jewish commonality. As to the latter, I don’t know enough to say. I’m aware of religious divisions within Judaism, but I wonder how different they really are at bottom?

Of course I’m not an expert but from what I’ve learned about Jews is Jews, genetically, are not a homogeneous group. In fact, where there is strong genetic continuity of Jews going back to Biblical times, their group is very small indeed. Most Jews’ genetic commonality today is very tenuous -  for many, it’s non-existent.  The genetic diversity of Jews span all races. The Ashkenazim, the Sephardic, the Mizrahim, and the Falasha. For example: I’ve seen pictures of Jews in the far east that have a distinct Han Chinese phenotype.

Jews’ religious beliefs are varied also. It spans from Hasidim to Orthodox to Reformed to agnostic to atheist - with many Jews in the mix who practice all sorts of pagan, eastern, even Christianity (Lawrence Auster for example).

Their diversity extends to the political arena also. Albeit most Jews (70%) are leftists (half of those are radical leftists), many are on the right. 

That said, the one issue 99.99999% of them agree upon is massive immigration into white homelands. Therein lies the rub.


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Posted by DanielS on Mon, 03 Jun 2013 13:56 | #

Disinformation Warning: Thorn, a dedicated advocate of Jews and their disinformation, has posted.

Jews have a consistent and identifiable genetic pattern.



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Posted by wobbly on Tue, 04 Jun 2013 04:49 | #

witch

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234004/Sex-gangs-report-play-threat-Pakistani-men-targeting-white-girls.html

Going senile - year old story. Ignore.

Still a witch though.


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Posted by Ex-ProWhiteActivist on Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:07 | #

GW,

Thank you for this survey of the situation.

Second, this bleak picture masks a bleaker crisis in the Conservative election machine itself.  Local association membership has halved in a decade, and it is the younger and more energetic members who are deserting fastest.  Conservative activism is grey-haired and suffers joint pain in many areas of the country.  It is also outrageously abused by the leader’s inner circle as well, of course, as utterly confused by their liberal metropolitan appetites.  Yet, to be in any position to form a government in 2015, the party must fight an aggressive campaign on the ground and win votes off the other parties. Lose their own core constituency to UKIP and that’s it.  They can’t get back from that.

In the USA the GOP has gone much further in that direction.  The party primarily exists as virtual reality entity with no functional existence below county level. 

Is UKIP making any progress at forming cohesive local association groups?

At present UKIP takes 60% of its support from disaffected Conservative voters.  The rest are non-ideological Labour voters, nationalists, protest voters, and new or elapsed voters.  This is a unique and, obviously, highly dynamic profile.  It might need another four or five years before the form of party support finally crystallises, though things are moving at a hell of a lick.  We can say two things about it today.

Is there any sign of former Labour supporters enthusiastically switching to UKIP?  Most importantly, is Farage trying to make a coherent appeal to the remains of the white working class? 

It is now surely clear that nationalism in the English-speaking world does not have the political impetus to break the Establishment stranglehold. But anti-politics can, it seems, cleave blind loyalties and bring aching questions into the open.  If UKIP succeeds to its fullest potential, then nationalism will have a clear run.  Then the great existential questions which find their place only in nationalist discourse will be heard, and will be answered.  The pendulum will swing onward.  UKIP’s civicism, libertarianism and multiracialism will have become responses to the past and will crumble because, in the new world of possibility, each is gutless and a lie.  UKIP’s party will end here.

This certainly seems to be the thinking of those American WNs adhering to Ron/Rand Paulism and political Libertarianism in general.


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Posted by Ex-ProWhiteActivist on Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:52 | #

GW,

I have said for many years that the political opportunity must be seized and meaningful progress entered upon by around 2025.  If that does not come to pass, then the very forces of disintegration that are generating the opportunity today, given new force by the inevitable, dehumanising political and technological oppression to which the waning Power will turn, will cast aside political efforts and politically-thinking people.  Other men with other methods will step forward, and within a decade there will be open conflict, with all the suffering and uncertainty that brings.

In the “USA” as defined by maps the time of “political opportunity” is long past. 

I continue to think an English nationalist revival in the presence of significant numbers of non-English is an oxymoron.  An extremely minimalist Little England shorn of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales might at long last be able to generate a truly English nationalist revival.  Might.

But it seems to me the “Public Order Act” mentality will become ever more acute as conditions worsen.  What will the default choice be once the potential for a real internal war rather than a few nights of molotov cocktails manifests itself as a likely consequence of open political debate of fundamental issues? 

Technology however is a two-edged sword.  In my view the dominant technological trends are no longer the Judeo multi-racial regime’s friend. 

 


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Posted by Ex-ProWhiteActivist on Tue, 04 Jun 2013 15:19 | #

What is the balance of “diversity” at this point in the entire UK?

Considering “English”, Welsh, Scots, Northern Irish, blacks, Arabs, Semites and various Asians in the UK…

Are the “English” still 70% of the combined population?  Leon cited statistics that in Little England alone the English now only comprise 87% of the population.  fyi, that was about the USA’s maximum percentage of ‘whites’ circa 1958.

the architects have irrevocably broken the mould of Western civilisation, there is no going back to what was. 

The party political system that has endured has succeeded only in delivering failure, it is breathing its last, as you have indicated clearly above.

I certainly agree with all that, Bill.  We can only move forward. 



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Posted by wobbly on Tue, 04 Jun 2013 19:15 | #

XPWA

In the “USA” as defined by maps the time of “political opportunity” is long past.

For a long time i think people asked themselves why they couldn’t radicalize the mass whereas the real question was why weren’t events radicalizing the mass. Given that there is a corrupted elite actively seeking White genocide White people should have radicalized on their own.

Britain is currently changing at a faster rate then the US was in the 60s but apart from that i’d say on the ground Britain is more or less where the US was after the 60s riots when White flight separated White people from inner-city crime. The big difference between the US and the UK is there’s nowhere to run. White separation in the 1960s US *prevented* the natural White radicalization that would have resulted from events and what’s worse their kids growing up in those completely safe all-White suburbs had the effect of stripping away all their immunity to the school’s and media’s anti-white lies. The lies only work on White people if they’re physically separated from the problem.

The radicalization effect is still only partial in the UK. The majority are still separate and don’t realise the political elites are lying to them but enough do to give a “respectable” party a chance.

What is the balance of “diversity” at this point in the entire UK?

Numbers are mostly meaningless as they don’t include age distribution or illegal immigrants. The gist is in terms of young men on the streets the native population is massively out-numbered in the cities but not the towns. In terms of electoral numbers it’s maybe 50/50 in the cities and 90/10 in the towns so still time - but changing very fast.

But it seems to me the “Public Order Act” mentality will become ever more acute as conditions worsen.  What will the default choice be once the potential for a real internal war rather than a few nights of molotov cocktails manifests itself as a likely consequence of open political debate of fundamental issues?

This is true however it leaves out that the other side (other sides plural really) will attack when they feel they have the strength. This is the downside of not having space for distant suburbs. They can attack Whte neighborhoods easier.

Technology however is a two-edged sword.  In my view the dominant technological trends are no longer the Judeo multi-racial regime’s friend.

Quite, and important. White people can’t just rely on the young men duking it out in the street because our side will be out-numbered. The older people need to help - not necessarily out on the streets - but using brains over brawn.

It is now surely clear that nationalism in the English-speaking world does not have the political impetus to break the Establishment stranglehold. But anti-politics can

...

This certainly seems to be the thinking of those American WNs adhering to Ron/Rand Paulism and political Libertarianism in general.

It’s a question of morality. White people form groups based on a common LOGOS with a common priesthood. The priesthood says what is right and what is wrong. You can’t replace the existing priesthood until you have destroyed their claim to moral authority. The other side did this via their dominance of the electronic media. They destroyed the moral authority of the old pro-white priesthood and replacing them with their own.

nb when i say priesthood i don’t mean literally priests i mean politicians, academics, pundits etc.

The anti-white priesthood has made nationalism, ethnic cohesion, national pride etc taboo (for White people only) and it has worked. People who feel a natural nationalist urge shunt it sideways into something non-taboo like libertarianism.

One answer to this problem is to focus on destroying the moral authority of the current priesthood.

Another answer is to go with the flow. The other side is intent on genocide and so their actions will - unless it is prevented - gradually stimulate the nationalist urge of their intended target. That urge will be directed at self-preservation while trying to stay within the limits of the taboos so you end up with movements like Ron Paul which are ultimately safe but partial radicalization is better than nothing as long as it targets at least one component of the problem e.g. the banking mafia.

Is there any sign of former Labour supporters enthusiastically switching to UKIP?  Most importantly, is Farage trying to make a coherent appeal to the remains of the white working class?

The most critical point and yes.


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Like most political parties they feel the need to campaign in a way that costs a lot of money and so they will probably be bought out by the banking mafia but in the mean-time it’s still one step further forward to a clear national consciousness of being under existential attack.

nb I think Griffin is wrong to tell ex BNP people to infiltrate. I think they should aim to maintain local associations as a backup for if/when the state breaks UKIP.


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Posted by Morgoth on Wed, 05 Jun 2013 18:37 | #

Emma West has pleaded guilty, finally, though they’ve managed to combine it with an assault on her husband. Emma is certainly a troubled young woman but this article is a master piece in total bullshit. According to this writer West was feeling suicidal because of the support of the ‘‘Far Right’‘. Scroll down to the comments, however, and it is revealed that Wests defence team were concerned because West has been physically attacked by the Far Left who also threatened to burn her house down.

So if Nick Griffin sends you money and flowers it makes you suicidal, if the Anti Fa beat you up and threaten to burn your house down it isn’t worthy of mention at all.

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/EXCLUSIVE-Emma-West-pleads-guilty-racially/story-19182717-detail/story.html#axzz2VMl3Kwk2


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Posted by wobbly on Thu, 06 Jun 2013 18:14 | #

Emma West has pleaded guilty, finally

Such a sick joke when you compare it to something like the youtube clips of one of the Woolwich guys shouting about “kuffar pigs.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQRYHVboSSQ

The BBC would never show that clip.


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Posted by DanielS on Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:38 | #

...wanted to mention that I understand Emma West and I admire her.


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Posted by Bill on Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:14 | #

After neoliberalism?

The Kilburn manifesto

Edited by Stuart Hall, Doreen Massey and Michael Rustin

I was going to post this on The New Religion Exclusively for Those of Indigenous European Extraction
thread but seeing as it has amassed nearly 150 comments I thought it maybe logistically, easier here.

I say this because a bunch of people here in Britain have declared economic neoliberalism has been catastrophic for people globally and has gotta go.

Rather than use the term Thatcherism, they say neoliberalism should be the universal term of reference.

They, (authors of neoliberalism’s critique - as in the Kilburn manifesto) acknowledge neoliberalism is much more than an economic ideology, but in fact is a full blown all embracing ideology encompassing a whole way of arranging society.

The author’s also say it is this hegemonic societal ideology that is barely acknowledged and is the most insidious.  It is this aspect they fear most and the toughest nut to crack.

What do they intend to do about it?  It it is no less than to slay the neoliberal dragon and create a new religion.  DanielS take note.

http://www.lwbooks.co.uk/journals/soundings/pdfs/manifestoframingstatement.pdf

I have often wondered how such enterprises get off the ground and enter the realm of governments and become ruling hegemoney.  Here we have an opportunity to see the process from the beginning.  What sort of people are they?  What do they look like?

Well here’s your chance to see them in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIVxeJX-3qU


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Posted by Bill on Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:02 | #

Having read, and re-read The Kilburn Manifesto’s critique of neoliliberalism and am once more drawn to the ubiquitous herd of elephants forever present in the musings of the left.

Political correctness once more rears its head in this critique of neoliberalism, thus rendering it useless.

Great play is made of something called common sense in this article and refers to making capital from the store of Britain’s innate wealth of conservatism.

Perhaps common sense is code for conservatism (or vice versa.)

These people are blinded by political correctness as only a slight nod was inclined in the direction of diversity, immigration, multiculturalism, burgeoning population etc.

They live in an elephantine world and never catch site of one.

Farage somehow finds the ball at his feet and and an open goal yawns.  The goalkeeper’s gone walk-about.


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Posted by Bill on Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:39 | #

There’s a very strange comment up at the Telegraph this morning by grandee Telegraph journalist Charles Moore.

Woolwich outrage: we are too weak to face up to the extremism in our midst
Despite the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby, David Cameron has failed to act against Islamist terrorism

The media, notably the BBC, quickly changed the subject. After a day or two focusing on the crime itself, the reports switched to anxiety about the “Islamophobic backlash”. According to Tell Mamma, an organisation paid large sums by the Government to monitor anti-Muslim acts, “the horrendous events in Woolwich brought it [Islamophobia] to the fore”. Tell Mamma spoke of a “cycle of violence” against Muslims

.
I find this whole piece extraordinary reading from such a venerated journalist.

Is he really telling us he doesn’t know what’s going on?  It beggars belief that this man who is at the pinnacle of his profession is unaware of the elite’s world view.

He writes about the BBC’s expeditious burying of the beheading of a British soldier from the public psyche, under a mountain of obfuscation double-talk and spin.

How could he be so crass in his observation (which we all know) of the BBC practice where any perceived negative connotations projected to the vibrant enrichers is thrown down the memory hole and capped with 6 feet of concrete. 

Is this man disingenuous, naive, treacherous or just plain stupid or what?

He’s conflating political weakness with political treachery.  I don’t buy it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10120706/Woolwich-outrage-we-are-too-weak-to-face-up-to-the-extremism-in-our-midst.html


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Posted by Bill on Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:41 | #

Anarcho-Tyranny—Where Multiculturalism Leads

The seething media today.

Liberalism has handed Nigel Farage a gift from the heavens, the EU being the mortal bearer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10170325/Calls-grow-to-boycott-toxic-human-rights-court.html

Will Farage go down on bended knee at such salvation and make hay?  Only time will tell, history tells us (c)onservatism will cave.

Anarcho-Tyranny

http://www.vdare.com/articles/anarcho-tyranny-where-multiculturalism-leads



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