Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:10 | #

Lots of censorship overnight.  Comments pruned, comments disappeared.  Which I have now repaired.  Tikkun Olam, you know.

Posted by Lurker on Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:07 | #

None of my comments even survived moderation, let alone getting deleted later.

Posted by Foundation on Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:17 | #

As corporal Jones would say: “They don’t like it up ‘em. It’s the steel you see, it’s cold. They just do not like it up ‘em.

Quality stuff GW.

Posted by Lurker on Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:24 | #

Ive just tried again, everything of mine goes to moderation on there, Im not getting anything posted.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:41 | #

There are five of your posts on the page now.  So that is an interesting comment in itself on the sensibilities of the moderation.

I’m posting freely at the moment, that is to say retrospectively moderated.  But I am moderating the moderator, and re-posting what he removes and so far none of the re-posts have been taken down again.  Not quite sure why.

Posted by Lurker on Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:32 | #

Aha, yes, maybe its to do with slow updating.

My best comment, which I forgot to save, is not there. It was a little look at the way Denis Avey’s story varies from time to time over the years 2009 - 11. Sloppy reporting, sloppy journalism, made up elements to the story, who knows?

Posted by Jimmy Marr on Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:34 | #

Gosh. This really brightens my day. Thanks a lot, guys. You’ve done a tremendous job.

Posted by Old Raven on Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:10 | #

Most Europeans, and even some Americans, can’t really discuss the propositions about historical events referred to by some as the “H”.

Why can’t we discuss this?

In many European countries one can be arrested and either fined or imprisoned for discussing the events of that period.  Many are currently in prison for discussing these propositions.  Since I may want to visit those countries someday, I can’t discuss those propositions without fear of similar punishment.

In addition to knowing the above, I also know that throughout history, whenever one is arrested and imprisoned for merely discussing a historical proposition, it’s usually turned out that there is something WRONG with that proposition.

I don’t KNOW what’s wrong with it, I just know that it always turns out that a proposition one is arrested and imprisoned for merely discussing ... ends up having something WRONG with it.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:47 | #

Well done to all.  How interesting that the Jews and blind whites, who were having a pleasant afternoon critiquing the poster anotherjack when I turned up, withdrew so fast.  A very poor example of trust in the verity of their own cause.

Also, I have to say that the Telegraph has surprised me in allowing the thread to remain open.  I suppose they will defumigate it during the night, as they did 24 hours ago.

Posted by Hail on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:14 | #

The Jewish workers from Auschwitz III camp, sometimes called Monowitz, were expected to die on the job.

Why would any rational group want their slave-labor to die, in the middle of a major war, a war over the fate of one’s entire continent? This is not rational. We are to believe the Germans were so irrational, that they preferred killing-off a few more Jews over winning the war.

Posted by Hail on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:25 | #

The specifics of Avey’s claims are examined in some detail, here:

Denis Avey: The Man Who Would Be Righteous

A lot of the inconsistencies presented suggest that his testimony is suspect, at best. It is probably best seen as having been pieced together from what he’d heard later. In other words, he has remolded his young self into an historical character to fit the accepted Holocaust narrative. (He would hardly be the first to do this). Many of the actual events he describes as having happened to himself could not realistically have happened as alleged.

The “British POWs at Auschwitz” aspect to the Holocaust Myth is also discussed here. They have been played like fiddles by the Myth-weavers, like many others, and some of them [Avey?] have played along.

Posted by Thunder on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:30 | #

For some reason I cannot get in there on my computer at home.  The comment section will not come up.  Not that I could add any eye-opening new perspective but another voice is always handy.  Big cheers for the effort you guys put in.  You have done us proud and I promise to carry my weight soon.  I am busy training my replacement at work.  Come end of April I retire to my little place in the country with ample time for worthwhile pursuits.

Posted by marlowe on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:34 | #

The censors have been very busy on that thread.  I wonder if that causes the morally-superior to feel shame, or if it instead reinforces their percieved superiority.

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:05 | #

I’ve put my stuff back again and told off the censor.  The thread is dead anyway, so it doesn’t matter much, but the principle still has to be defended.

Posted by Lurker on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 02:46 | #

This is my large comment the DT has deleted twice now, thought I would save it here as well as reposting:

Looks like I need to repost this comment.

Why on earth its been deleted twice I cant think. All the information in this comment comes from unimpeachable mainstream sources.

The Telegraph article above, the BBC, The Times and a speech given by Denis Avey to an Oxford Jewish students society.

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Oxford Chabad

From the Oxford talk:

I was sent to Libya. I was taken prisoner by the Germans.

But from The Times:

We operated behind enemy lines in Egypt. In 1942 we were ambushed. I was wounded and taken prisoner by the Germans.

So, was he sent to Libya and captured there or sent to Libya and later into Egypt and then captured there?

Also from the Oxford speech:

Within 4 months they were dead. Less then 4 months.

However in the BBC piece, contained in the video (not available outside the UK) is this:

They knew they’d only last five months

The BBC story predates the Oxford speech. Is this a case of him embellishing the story as time goes by?

The Oxford speech is a bit over the top, even making allowences for age.

I went to an old friend and he said ‘you join the military and then I’ll get you a transfer to the RAF’. But he didn’t. Of course, he saved my life. They all died.

All of them?! Everyone who flew in the RAF?

As a POW he was shipped out of North Africa by the Germans:

Unfortunately, half way we were hit badly by torpedoes. By a miracle I got out. They hit the engine room – it was full of water. I got out.

Lets file that miracle away for now. Arriving at Auschwitz:

It was double wired. The security was the SS, Gestapo, Hitler Youth. What have you. We worked in there.

Gestapo, Hitler Youth really? Oh dear, its all gone a bit over the top there.

An observation about the ruthless SS control of prisoners:

When I said about security in there, rather flippantly, it was amazing. I was able to walk around with a length pipe on my shoulder and no one asked me anything.

He makes a categorical claim about writing to the outside world:

You were able to write letters, once a month. They never ever got there.

But now the second miracle, thats two now:

This one however did. I memorised her address and I wrote to her that he has hurt his hands and cannot write.

And a third miracle! A letter which should never, ever have made it got through and now, miraculously, a return package survives the depredations of, well, whoever it was holding up the mail:

She sent 200 cigarettes and a bar of chocolate. Cigarettes were worth a king’s ransom.

A fourth miracle occurs, Denis’s jewish friend survives a death march:

By a miracle he got off the death march and made it to America and made a DVD about his experience and he said that the cigarettes saved his life.

Denis was lucky to survive a sinking ship, but then miracle after miracle. He sends what must have been the only letter to get out of Auschwitz to the UK. Then another miracle, a package the other way, by extension it must be the only package ever to do so. And a final miracle his jewish pal survived the death march. (Along with tens of thousands of other people who also survived the death march but lets not be churlish.)

Update:

Ive been thinking a bit more about that death march.

Denis gave a speech to jewish students around the 65th anniversary of the ‘liberation’ of Auschwitz. Im guessing in 2010.

Why the scare quotes? Over to Denis:

About 27 January, they took all the prisoners out of Birkenau and Auschwitz. On the death march, we could hear the Russians shooting. . . . . Some men wanted to go that way and I told them don’t. They went and the Russians shot them. They didn’t care about anyone other than themselves.

It seems then that the Russians were killing everyone they found. So in fact the SS saved those thousands of jews by taking them west. Had the SS left them off the ‘death’ march they would all have died.

Makes one wonders what the hell is meant by liberation in this context.

Liberation = massacre by Russians.

Death march = being saved from certain death by the SS.

Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 03:44 | #

Thunder,

There can be no “retirement” from the struggle. European man has not been so threatened since the immediate end of WW2, and maybe since the time of Tamerlane. If you have satisfied your and your family’s material welfare, then full engagement with the forces of racial dispossession must be the next order of business. And that’s a tall order ...

Posted by Lurker on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:00 | #

Deleted again.

Reposting again!

Posted by Thunder on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:06 | #

Sorry Leon,

I may not have been sufficiently clear.  I will be retiring from work (earning a crust) not from the important issues, which you have pointed out.  I will have more time for those issues.  I will continue to annoy and harangue.  That is what I meant by worthwhile pursuits, but also growing veggies, keeping chooks and drinking scotch while I watch the sun go down.  Cheers.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:51 | #

I admire your determination, Lurker, but I don’t think your comment has a chance of staying posted on that thread, and in my opinion, you should take that as a compliment.

While the article backs off on the gas chamber and soap nonsense, it’s still propaganda and the phony details are all there with a specific purpose in mind. Questioning them will be seen as tantamount to incinerating infants.

If, like me, you enjoy debunking this pathetic genre of bullshit, check out Eric Hunt’s The Last Days of the Big Lie.

He does a good job. Two full hours worth.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:55 | #

The movie can be viewed here: http://holocaustdenier.com/

Posted by Lurker on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:17 | #

Thanks Jimmy!

It has been removed again. Ah well.

It seems as if everything necessary to undermine the myth is contained in the eye witness testimonies themselves, little other information is needed. Comparing the different versions of one persons story, comparing their accounts to others.

Ive noticed a few consistencies in the stories.

For instance survivors always arrive at camp utterly innocent of any knowledge of whats happening, then they face selection by the SS. Who will live/die. We, the readers/viewers/listeners know because we’ve heard all these stories already. (Btw most selection accounts seem to include some nonsensical rationale by the SS for selection. Freckles (or not), moles (or not), hair colour etc. Never the same one twice in different accounts. Each SS person was apparently left to invent whatever capricious rules they fancied.)

But how does the witness know? To them its just another step in the journey. And thats what seems odd, from this point in the story they always know what selection is too, just like we do. They go from not knowing to knowing but their learning this always seems to happen off-stage.

This story is what made me aware of this:

Natascha McElhone: My grief

Here is the money quote:

She was filming in LA, pregnant with her third child, when her husband’s friend Neil rang. Martin Kelly was 43, in his prime, what even before the eulogising could only be described as a “brilliant plastic surgeon”. The couple had just had their 10th wedding anniversary and the baby was due in six months.

“Are you alone?” asked Neil.

“Well, -ish,” said McElhone. “Fire away.”

“They did everything they could.”

She remembers exactly how she learnt her husband had died, thats what stayed with her.

But our innocent eyewitnesses never tell us that part. Where is the SS guard crowing over them that theyve just seen their family for the last time, explaining in graphic detail what their fate will be?

Where the old prisoner who has seen it all before, full of world weary resignantion, patiently explains what just happened in selection?

For these witnesses their family only really dies at the moment the horror of selection was revealed, they certainly didnt know it before. Yet this obvious dramatic revelation is missing from every account Ive read so far.

In Natascha McElhone’s story there the moment of revaltion is a unit of action in the story, an action beat in Hollywood terms. But the holocaust survivor stories consistently miss this beat.

Posted by danielj on Wed, 23 Mar 2011 03:20 | #

There is no such thing as fun with Jews. Unless one is a sadomasochist.

Posted by Leon Haller on Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:35 | #

Thunder,

I understood you, but was just making a general point. I have often felt that racial activism is really for the young and old, the former have passion and time, the latter, time plus a desire to leave things a bit better for those coming up, so to speak. People in their primes just usually can’t find the time.

Anyway, good luck, and enjoy yourself. Spitting in the eye of our occupiers is really tremendously satisfying, I’ve always felt.

Posted by Pax Europa on Thu, 24 Mar 2011 23:22 | #

A plethora of White nationalists blame Jews for their problems, but as I research and read about history, this past month I noticed a strange pattern of egalitarianism and individualism in Whites. Jews are a problem, they are ~60% of the problem facing Whites today. The other 40% comes from White liberals and traitors. From the days of Greek Hellenism to Roman pagans to modern-day European Christendom….Whites have always tried to bring in other tribes and nations into their culture and way of life. The Greeks forced their culture onto other people. The Roman Empire conquered other people and spread Roman traditions often forcibly and violently. Christianity is just an extreme form of egalitarianism.

By naively believing that every person on the planet is interchangeable, a fatal flaw of Communism as well, they cause endless discord and violence.

I believe that people shouldn’t be forced to convert to another religion, or forced to assimilate, every people who consider themselves a people have a right to exist (this includes whites, Asians, Latinos, Africans, Muslims, redheads, Buddhists, Jews, etc.). People cannot merely assert a “right,” no one merely asserts that they have a right to exist, and expect everyone to abide by it. A nation only exists if she has the power back up her existence. For example, laws are enforced by the police or military. Without police or military, laws are useless.

I don’t believe atheistic materialism will ever replace Christianity or Islam. There has to be a new religion that gives people spiritual and moral guidance, but the religion must have restrictions on proselytizing. We can create a new religion for Whites only, and one that emphasizes a high birthrate as essential for our future survival. We have an abundance of intellectual literature, but why can’t someone write a religious book?

As for Israel, the country is unsustainable, the Communist/liberal Jews and Zionist Jews will tear themselves apart. There is a lot of friction between the secular Jews and the Orthodox Jews. Ashkenazi Jews are already a minority, and the non-white Jews will outbreed the Ashkenazis, thus lowering the overall IQ of Israel dramatically.

The high IQ of Ashkenazi Jews (they claim at 115) is a myth propagated by biased media and academia. Guess which group is overrepresented in these two institutions? The financial and corporate success of Jews lies in their tribal nepotism and self-aggrandizement. In Israel, the average Ashkenazim IQ is only 105, with Sephardim at 80.
http://sq.4mg.com/IQIsraeli.htm

Economically, Israel is bankrupt because it is a socialist country.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm

The goal of White Nationalists today would be to contain Israel, and prevent immigration of Jews into the West. The Orthodox Jews are the demographic wellspring of Judaism, they are the ones having the babies, the liberal Jews can’t sustain themselves demographically over the long-term. If we are to have any permanent success, I suggest we nullify Orthodox Judaism.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:06 | #

The Sami old story:

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/10089

Posted by Rusty on Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:01 | #

Bene dictum, Pace Europa.  But I would say that a “newer” belief system must be rediscovered, not created.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:11 | #

More fun with Jews:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/juliankossoff/100081465/could-hamas-teach-the-holocaust/#dsq-content

Posted by Wandrin on Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:24 | #

Why would any rational group want their slave-labor to die

They don’t want it they just don’t care enough to prevent it. It was the same in the gulags and the same in the slave-ships crossing the Atlantic. It was probably the same in Roman times or among Arab slavers also. It’s human nature where the gap between “us” and “them” has become extreme.

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:35 | #

Denis again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372193/The-British-soldier-broke-Auschwitz-Dennis-Avey-swapped-uniforms-Jewish-pal-witness-atrocities.html

Evidently, we must never be allowed to forget.

Posted by Jimmy Marr on Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:57 | #

I haven’t read this piece in its entirety, but Bradley Smith usually does a pretty good job, in my opinion.

I thought it might make a nice follow up on the Telegraph thread:

http://www.revblog.codoh.com/2011/04/the-case-against-denis-avey-the-bbc-and-the-british-government/