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Leaving New Zealand We don’t get to hear much about New Zealand, so I was interested to read a newspaper report today on the general situation there (not online). The news, as you might expect, isn’t good. The European population under the age of 40 is actually falling in number, due partly to low fertility but also because of migration to other countries, particularly Australia. If trends continue, the remnant European population will join Maoris, Pacific Islanders and Asians as a minority group. Why are young Anglo New Zealanders emigrating? According to the report, the problem stems from decisions taken in the early 1990s. Up to then, wage rates were comparable with those in Australia. But changes to industrial laws in 1991 weakened the bargaining power of workers so that despite a 55% increase in GDP wages have stayed flat. This means that Australian wages are now 30% higher than those in NZ and 630 New Zealanders are moving to Australia every week. This bleeding of young, skilled New Zealanders to Australia has become an issue in the current NZ election campaign. A nationalist party, New Zealand First, wants a policy of raising wage rates, whilst the “conservative” National Party is advocating tax cuts. There is one issue, though, the article doesn’t touch on. New Zealand only opened its borders to mass immigration relatively recently. Perhaps the establishment thought that this would increase New Zealand’s population and its skilled labour force. But it may have produced the opposite effect. It may have undercut the the sense of connection felt by young Anglo New Zealanders to their own country. If New Zealand is suddenly declared to be “multicultural”, why should the establishment expect young New Zealanders to hang around when there are better pickings elsewhere? New Zealand serves as an example of the costs involved when national loyalties are jettisoned in favour of a globalised, open bordered multiculturalism. This opens the door not just to inflow, but to a crippling outflow of the young, the mobile and the highly educated. Comments:2
Posted by Mark Richardson on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:25 | # I believe you, Freddy, when you say things have rapidly changed. A popular show on Australian TV at the moment is “Motorway Patrol” which follows the Auckland highway police during the course of a night. Some of the police are Anglos, but a large percentage of the people they pull over are Asians or Islanders. As I understand it, though, Auckland is the most diverse part of New Zealand. Perhaps there are other parts where the Pakehas still predominate. 3
Posted by Geoff Beck on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:43 | # I have family that live in NZ, it is simply a paradise. But everything Mark says is true. Chinese and related peoples have been pouring into the country lately, bringing with them their cosmopolitan tastes. NZ’s population is so small, about 4 million, the masses of Asia could simply overwhelm that island within months. 4
Posted by AD on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:59 | # Perhaps there are other parts where the Pakehas still predominate. Most of the south island,which still projects an image of anti-cosmopolitanism to outsiders.Kind of like TAS. 5
Posted by Amon on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:15 | # Last I heard, NZ is now 15% Asian/Pacific Islander! Is there anywhere (besides the CIA World Factbook, which is usually wrong about demographics) that this can be checked? 6
Posted by Amon on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:31 | # The 15% figure isn’t far off—Asians/Pacific Islanders made up about 11% of the population in 1996. It’s probably closer to 15% by now.
http://www.stats.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/3CF90D2A-1ED9-48CF-90FE-8C89621AC028/0/FertNZWom.pdf (Page 17) 7
Posted by Amon on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:35 | # (People may have more than one ethnicity and may be counted in more than one category.) 8
Posted by Geoff Beck on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:08 | # A Warning to Australia and New Zealand > The Golden State As recently as the early 1970s California was called The Golden State, it was mostly underpopulated, Euro-American, and had comfortable but varied climate (At least near the long coast line). Now much of it is a Third World sewer. Act now to save your land. 9
Posted by AD on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:35 | # Amon, NZ Stats from 2001 Census: European:80% The reason that it totals more than 100% is because it includes those who identify with more than one(7.9%).That obviously means the European populace of NZ is actually less than 80%. http://www.stats.govt.nz/census/2001-ethnic-groups/highlights.htm 10
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:49 | # “the European populace of NZ is actually less than 80%.” (—AD) Less than eighty percent is an ominous figure. The slippery slope is only a short step away from a figure like that. I didn’t know NZ was in that kind of demographic shape. Kiwis, beware of threats to your future, is all one can say to them. DO NOT LISTEN TO OR TOLERATE THE USUAL CRAP FROM LEFTISTS OR TRANZIS. This is your country’s life we’re talking about. You’ve seen it happen before your eyes to Holland, California, Paris, London, New York, Brussels, Malmö Sweden, and elsewhere. Don’t let it happen to you: it’s VASTLY easier to prevent than to undo after it’s happened. 11
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 19:34 | # Japan and Israel prove it can be done, Kiwis. Follow the examples of Japan and Israel. Do not succumb to any Tranzi, left-wing, Communist, Wall-Street, white-Christian-hating Jewish, faux-self-abnegating Christian, or any other siren-song whose kiss will be death, you can be certain of that. Tell them all, every one of them, to go peddle their toxin elsewhere, you’re not buying any. 12
Posted by Andrew L on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:23 | # AD, any statistical data , from a Labour government is as true as golden coins growing in the back yard. 13
Posted by Lurker on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:27 | # Ive got Kiwi rels who have not long decamped to Oz. Im not in regular contact with them so Im not too clear on their personal reasons. Sounds like I need to get more details. 14
Posted by Mark Richardson on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:35 | # New Zealanders do seem to have an option: vote for the New Zealand First party at this month’s elections. I don’t know a lot about the party. But it has called for a drastic reduction in immigration: http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/campaign/immigration.php This is from the party’s web page on immigration: “All over the world people are striving to strengthen their own cultural identity. For some absurd reason, we are doing the opposite - what makes our society distinctive is being submerged in a tidal wave of immigration.” Interesting that the party is led by a Maori, Winston Peters. Perhaps this is a good chance for Anglos and Maoris to combine to protect their own positions in NZ. 15
Posted by Mark Richardson on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:17 | # The current New Zealand Prime Minister is Helen Clark. She caused a stir here in Australia a few years ago when she admitted she had deliberately remained childless because: “I could not have done what I’ve done with my life, professionally, in terms of pleasure of travel, if I’d had children” and that, “You’ve got better things to with your life, unimpeded.” Not a mentality that’s likely to keep the Pakeha birth rate in good condition. 16
Posted by Freddy on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:07 | # They show “Motorway Patrol” overseas? How embarrassing! The issue you guys don’t mention is Maori/Pakeha miscegenation. It’s very common, & in combination with the much higher Maori birthrate, it would continue the present trend of reduction of the European derived population, even if the recent non-white immigrants were sent back. Maybe New Zealand should be partitioned, with the South Island reserved as a white homeland. 17
Posted by Andrew L on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:52 | # Most Maori’s I know are great, hard working and well capable, opposed to the P C marxist sponcered Maori’s, made dependant on the State, along with the White Anglo P C marxist’s that feed of the propaganda. It surelly must occure to some the insulting and continuing connotations that the inabillity of the indigineous population to continue on their own, and have the need to appoint an Elite to administer their poison, the same exists in Australia with Aboriginal’s, it is of the Marxist P C sponsership of keeping them stupid, and in their place, and dependant on the State . “The I know what is good for you” type Ideolog. Fairdinkum. 18
Posted by Matra on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:56 | # I lived in New Zealand back in the late 70s,early 80s and even back then the Maoris and “Islanders” pushed around the whites. I remember at my school our white teacher organised (I kid you not) a whites versus “coloureds” soccer match - this was about 1980. The coloureds were mostly Maori and physically much bigger than us whites. We were a better team though with Europeans like myself and a couple of others from Holland and England organising our players, unlike the ignorant Maoris all running for the ball at the same time. We were winning the match when the “coloureds” turned on us and fights broke out with the whites on the receiving end. At the end we were afraid to go near the ball as the much bigger Maori and Islander players were brutal. I recall an English immigrant kid leaving the field in tears as Maori boys taunted him after nearly crippling him with rugby-style tackles. It was also well known back then that if you were white you didn’t go into certain areas of our Auckland suburb or you’d be be beaten up. There were lots of good Maori people too - many of them Jehovah Witnesses - but even back then it was clear who was responsible for the criminal activities. 19
Posted by Freddy on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:10 | # Andrew L, I think most of the Maoris with a strong work-ethic are over in Australia! 20
Posted by Andrew L on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 06:10 | # Yep Freddy, the ones here we talk to are in shock when they return home for a period. I have only seen some movies of the rough ones, It is a shame though the labour part should throw away NZ as it has done.Peter Paki a singer we know well. 21
Posted by Andrew L on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:53 | # No bites on the sixth State theory, only because we had lost one State, “Victoria”. “The Peoples Socialist Republic of Brankastan” 22
Posted by Svigor on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:44 | # There were lots of good Maori people too - many of them Jehovah Witnesses - but even back then it was clear who was responsible for the criminal activities. I dunno from Maoris, but I think I’ve settled on my response to many of the claims of “there are plenty of good x too”: sure, but not enough for them to be in charge. 23
Posted by Phil on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:41 | # I lived in New Zealand back in the late 70s,early 80s Matra, Is there an Anglo country you haven’t lived it? That is quite remarkable. 24
Posted by Matra on Mon, 05 Sep 2005 02:54 | # Phil - Matra, Is there an Anglo country you haven’t lived it? That is quite remarkable. I haven’t lived in Australia or the US, though I’ve spent a bit of time in the former and a lot of time in the latter. Though when you live in Canada near the the border it feels like living in the US. There’s nothing remarkable about it. You’d be surprised how many people born on the island of Ireland, especially during the Troubles, have lived in the UK, North America, and Australasia. I’d say it’s the same for people from Scotland and most parts of northern England. And many of them have had relatives who’ve also lived in South Africa and other outposts of the empire - Singapore in particular. At present I’ve first cousins and Aunts/Uncles in Canada, the USA, England, Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland and New Zealand. Off the top of my head I can’t think of a single friend back in Northern Ireland who does not have a brother/sister/cousin/son/daughter in Canada alone, never mind the rest of the former empire. 25
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 05 Sep 2005 03:11 | # “Off the top of my head I can’t think of a single friend back in Northern Ireland who does not have a brother/sister/cousin/son/daughter in Canada alone, never mind the rest of the former empire.” (—Matra, just above) Good. Out here in the colonies we need all the help we can get fighting this race-replacement war against whites in general, Brits in particular. Welcome!—and ... be sure to tell them to have lots of kids, won’t you? Spread the word! 26
Posted by Seb on Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:58 | # Good. Out here in the colonies we need all the help we can get fighting this race-replacement war against whites in general, Brits in particular. Welcome! What guarantee do we have that in 20 years North America and Australasia will be any more receptive to British immigrants than they are now? If British families all begin having four or five children, and a safe outlet is not available, the result will be massive social disruption and disorder (The loss of North America by high-birthrate France was a major reason for the chaos of the Revolutionary wars) As nonwhites become more powerful in formerly white lands, I foresee the doors to white immigration closing still further, not reopening Post a comment:
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Posted by Freddy on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:17 | #
Young “Pakehas” (white New Zealanders) are in general probably the most racially unaware people in the world, notwithstanding the existence of a small active far right party, the National Front. It was not always thus, however. New Zealand used to have its own version of the “White Australia” policy, which I believe was even narrower & more restrictive than the Aussie version. Up until the ‘70s really only northwest Europeans were wanted, if not British & protestant Irish, then Dutch & Scandinavians. Things have changed very rapidly since then, to put it mildly…