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Letter to The Times Many thanks to Geoff Beck for bringing to our attention the following important letter in The Times:- Racial IQ researchIN CLEAR violation of the tradition of academic freedom, the vice-chancellor of Leeds University has suspended Dr Frank Ellis and instituted disciplinary proceedings against him for presenting the research, published in peer-reviewed academic journals and scholarly books which demonstrates that blacks have, on average, lower IQ scores and poorer academic achievement than do whites (Profile, last week). Much solid research also makes it more likely than not that there is a genetic contribution to this (and other) group IQ differences. Dr Ellis, then, has done no more than restate what has been said for half century by a number of eminent psychologists and anthropologists at leading universities. These include the late John Baker (Oxford), Hans Eysenck (London), Philip Vernon (London), Richard Herrnstein (Harvard), and Henry Garrett (Columbia). A number of behavioural scientists, including ourselves, have reached the same conclusion. Others have put much of this on the record. Many more agree but have been reluctant to put this on the record for fear of the kind of intimidation that Dr Ellis is receiving from the University of Leeds. There is an important and legitimate debate going on on intelligence and genetics, as there is on climate change and foreign policy. It is a sad day when British universities muzzle their academic staff and threaten them with dismissal for taking part in one of these controversies. Professor Richard Lynn Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:01 | # I agree that the letter’s importance attaches as much to the fact that it was published at all - and in The Times - as to what it actually says. Martin is right about The Times, of course. Only a week or so ago in the aforementioned profile of Frank Ellis, it was telling us that one miniscule study in Brom had spectacularly “disproved” all the decades of extremely solid research findings. Suddenly, we can’t believe what these discredited and peripheral figures, these Murrays and Lynns and Jensens, say about the racial IQ gap. We should listen only to the wise mainstream egalitarians and Jewish race-hucksters. Otherwise, egalitarianism and the happily confected scam of white racist causality go swirling down the U-bend and off along their way to the political sewage farm. And then, obviously, it’s the Klan and Auschwitz all over again. Well, it’s getting late and I have a white sheet to cut and sew. 3
Posted by Matt O'Halloran on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:49 | # A commenter at Samizdata.net/blog named ‘Eurostatistician’ wrote as below after my latest round with Johnathan Pearce, Perry de Havilland’s deputy in defending selective assaults on free speech:
“Matt, my slow-witted corro, don’t overlook the fact that this individual has stated that he has no non-white students in his class. There may have been doubts as to whether he could not be relied upon to grade his students fairly and objectively.” The reason that ‘this individual’ happens to have no non-whites in his class is probably that ‘this individual’ (Frank Ellis) teaches a very difficult language, namely Russian. I have learnt it myself and, believe me, the first 10000 hours are the worst – that’s the time it takes to learn the 14 verbs of motion. It is a subject that does not appeal to the untalented. Since blacks have an average IQ of 85 or thereabouts, only a very small proportion would be able to meet the subject’s cognitive demands (though you don’t have to be a genius). Frankly, I had never expected to find such squeaky-clean political correctness expressed in an allegedly libertarian site – it’s not as though Frank Ellis expressed hatred of other races. He simply stated racial facts – namely that for partly genetic reasons, some races (such as the Japanese) are more intelligent than whites, others are less so. For further details, read yesterday’s letter to the Sunday Times, which you’ll find online here [link]. Wow! And I thought you guys were freedom-lovers. Shortly afterwards another ‘libertarian’ running the site declared that the subject was closed. My own comment directing attention to the Times letter on another thread was deleted. Pearce had written this: Eurostatistician, if an academic wants to pursue the subject of possible patterns of IQ/race differences, I am not going to say no—how could I?—but what I have a problem with is such people seeking to justify coercive political views on the back of such supposed evidence, such as bans on intermarriage, deportation of designated groups and the like. It is the collectivist element of racism I dislike the most. As an individualist, how could I say otherwise? I had sent a link to the full original text of Pearce’s article for Leeds Student, wherein it was plain that he was advocating deportation only of illegal aliens, and had said nothing at all about bans on intermarriage. Pearce does not want his misrepresentation, based on swallowing what he read in the papers, to become known. Why won’t you chaps pile in and help me take the war to the camp of enemies and hypocrites, instead of sitting around here nodding in agreement with each other? 4
Posted by Geoff Beck on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:38 | # > Shortly afterwards another ‘libertarian’ running the site declared that the subject was closed. My own comment directing attention to the Times letter on another thread was deleted. Libertarian. It figures. They can’t take criticism. They are very feminine in that regard. 5
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:02 | #
Ellis’s article (Pearce isn’t quite up to writing articles on the level of a university student newspaper ...) (or de Havilland either, truth be known ....) 6
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:05 | # Did those geniuses finally figure out why Eurostatistician and Matt O’Halloran had the same IP address? .... 7
Posted by The Future on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:06 | # Haha, this blog cracks me up. It boggles my mind how you backward hicks are against multiculturalism and the new cosmopolitan society. Fact is, inter-racial mixing is happening ALL THE TIME. You can’t prevent it. It’s happening in Britain as we speak, in the USA, and spreading to other places. I can speak that mixed-race individuals are superior to those with ‘pure’ KKK ancestry. They will be here when your kind is long gone. Cultural diversity enriches cultures, just look at the USA for proof. We have to merge all races and cultures together in one big melting pot. If this is ‘genocide’, then I say… GO GENOCIDE!!!!!!! 8
Posted by AD on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:33 | # Cultural diversity enriches cultures, just look at the USA for proof.
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Posted by The Future on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 07:09 | # What? You don’t think this is a good thing?
Pffft. You “backwards hicks” crack me up! Laterz,
The Future 10
Posted by Vicky Pollard on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 07:27 | # Fact is, inter-racial mixing is happening ALL THE TIME. You can’t prevent it. It’s happening in Britain as we speak
For real. 11
Posted by Steve Edwards on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 07:38 | # “We have to merge all races and cultures together in one big melting pot.” But this is really a call for the abolition of all races and cultures. So much for “cultural diversity”! 12
Posted by The Future on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 07:53 | # To the above poser (redneck porch monkey) using my name: Multiculturalism is the future. You can’t stop it. The USA is on top technologically because it is multi-racial. It takes talent from all over the world. Europe is moving in that direction, and the same applies to all countries who want to remain technologically competitive. Just check silicon valley. You see Russians, Chinese, Indians…but where are the Americans? THERE ARE NONE!!! ‘White’ Americans, like Europeans, can’t make it on their own. They just lack the requisite capacity. Countries either choose to import and assimilate talent, or be LEFT IN THE DUST! Now excuse me while I ‘miscegenate’ with my white gf. 13
Posted by Steve Edwards on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:02 | # “The USA is on top technologically because it is multi-racial.” Oh yes! Third world immigration was just vital for the Manhattan Project. As for Japan’s technological prowess…it’s obviously due to multiculturalism! Thank you, o’ enlightened one. 14
Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:44 | # This ‘The Future’ personage could well be that bloggers’ blight Simon, or perhaps we have a real live dusky dimwit to amuse us with his slack-jawed jabberwocky and, concomitantly, provide further proof (if such were needed) of those well-documented and intractable IQ differences. 15
Posted by The Future on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:48 | # The United States is on top because they had high-IQ Jews, Asians, etc. In the future, every country will have to select for high-IQ to be competitive. The Americans got the A-Bomb because they had Jews, a group you reckneck hicks would want excluded from ‘pure white’ KKK country. Jews are non-white, no? I’ll tell you stupid hicks this: if we just packed our bags and left tomorrow, you entire country will fall apart. Just check silicon valley. Chinese and Indian. ‘White Americans’ are cranialy inferior, and cannot survive on their own. 16
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:50 | # Yes, well, from a Rushtonian perspective the function of the negro male is less to love and protect his family and secure their welfare than to copulate as widely as possible ... an r-heavy life. And indeed all sociological evidence points to the fact that only the imposition from without of strict social and moral control will stem this natural tendency. Relinquished from such control into the moral freedom of modern Western society, negroes tend heavily to Nature’s template for them. One has to be blind not to see this. It should, perhaps, be something with which the political right does more work. IQ is measurable but constantly if dishonestly disputed by the left. Black criminality is also measurable, it is true. But the statistics are difficult for laymen to get at in Britain, for instance, because the Home Office has taken the political decision to hide them. In any case, the left and the anti-white race hucksters can raise the strawman of poverty and then white racism. But negro sexual behaviour has its arising in an average higher daily rythmicity of Serum Testosterone. No white racism causes the precocity and high frequency of reported sexual activity among negroes, nor the extremely wide black-white disparity in inter-racial rape nor the famously absent black father. A much more powerful concentration on negro sexual behaviour would do more than IQ, I think, to popularise the notion of difference, and combat the liberal media’s constant and vile, racially Marxist emphasis on the joys of miscegenation. 17
Posted by Steve Edwards on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:50 | # “The United States is on top because they had high-IQ Jews, Asians, etc.” I find it illuminating that you threw “Asians” in there, before sneakily eliminating the existence of Asians where it was convenient. Of course, there is absolutely no evidence that the United States became “number one” due to the presence of Asians. I certainly wouldn’t underrate the contribution of Ashkenazim (nor would anyone on this site), but that’s not actually what you originally claimed and is in fact a completely separate argument. Your claim was that the US became number one due to the presence of Asians. You have provided absolutely no evidence to back this up. Nor have you provided any evidence to support your even more tenuous claim that “multiculturalism” (which is simply a set of redistributive government policies) has anything to do with this. You’re free to keep flapping your gums, but until I see actual data in support of your claims, we can’t really take any of it seriously, now, can we? 18
Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:25 | # I am sure everyone recognises the point of origin of the Manhattan Project as being that famous hotbed of Jewish activity, Peenemunde, and the invaluable leadership of the famous Semitic scientist, Werner von Braun. 19
Posted by The Future on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:34 | # The USA has always been multicultural. WASP, Irish, Jewish, etc. Not all of that is European. How is Asian any different than Jewish, from an intellectual perspective (avg IQ of Hindu Indians in the USA is around that of Jews). The Soviet Union was all-white, and thus the loser. The USA was multi-cultural, and thus the winner. We can kick the rear-end of any ‘all-white’ country like Poland, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. If it weren’t for the Jewish immigrants, the USA would be nothing. Nothing at all. If it won’t be for Asian immigrants, the USA will also be nothing. Just pray we won’t leave, or your pasty white ass will be kicked by India + China. 20
Posted by The Future on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:36 | #
Yard ape, my claim was that the US became number one due to NON-EUROPEAN immigrants. Jews and Asians are equally non-European. 21
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:47 | # TF, We have an iron rule here that no personal abuse is employed, either at an individual or group level. Please observe it. 22
Posted by Calvin on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:01 | # “Just check silicon valley. Chinese and Indian” Just look at China and India. I can’t wait to eat cats and shit in the street. Did you notice that as soon as immigration controls were relaxed, Whites started to flood out of their homelands into Arabia and Africa? 23
Posted by Matt O'Halloran on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:09 | # “Did those geniuses finally figure out why Eurostatistician and Matt O’Halloran had the same IP address? ....” Mr Scrooby, I don’t know why you should think that. Eurostatistician is nothing to do with me, just someone who is standing up for academic independence as I am among hypocritical ‘libertarians’. And I wish you people would lend us a hand too! Just one comment from each of you, dropped into the debate now and then, would encourage lurkers there to come out for free speech and support Dr Ellis. How about it? The site is http://www.samizdata.net/blog 24
Posted by Steve Edwards on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:17 | # There are several claims here, all of which are false. The first is that the Soviet Union was “all white” and thus it failed. Um. No it wasn’t, unless you believe that Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmen, Kirgiz, Azeris, and people of Turkic/Mongol extraction generally, are “white”. Of course, the failure of the Soviet Union couldn’t have had anything to do with Marxism, now, could it? Gee, I thought a “cognitive elitist” like yourself (whose writing is simply appalling) should know as much. Your second claim was that (in your words) “The United States is on top because they had high-IQ Jews, Asians”. Ipso facto, you believe that the presence of Asians in the United States forms a necessary (even if not sufficient) causation of the United States being “on top”. You can try to back away from this claim if you like, but I’m afraid invoking the term “yard ape” isn’t going to let you off. However, I notice that you still haven’t provided any evidence that “Asians” were a necessary cause (which, despite your risible attempts at changing your own words, is precisely what you claimed) for the success of the United States. A further modification of your original claim is that all “non-European immigrants” form the causation. Yet this actually expands on your originally more restricted argument, which you haven’t proven either! In short, you have no data to back up any one of your original assertions, let alone your last. Indeed, one could just as easily point out that, according to the Global Policy Forum (http://www.globalpolicy.org), the US share of world GDP has declined significantly since 1950; from 27.3% to 22% at the end of the 20th Century. In other words, increasing demographic diversity (and non-European immigration) has actually coincided with the relative decline in US economic weight. Your most recent claim is that “If it weren’t for the Jewish immigrants, the USA would be nothing.” Once again, you haven’t provided a scintilla of evidence for this. I don’t doubt that Ashkenazim have made fantastic contributions in science and economics. But the largest wave of Jewish immigration to the US began around the turn of the 19th/20th Century, and the US economy was already one of the fastest growing in the world by then. In short, there isn’t a scintilla of evidence to back up your claims. You should withdraw them before you lose all credibility. 25
Posted by Steve Edwards on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:18 | # BTW - my comment was directed at The Future. 26
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:22 | # The thread at Samizdata is “Throwing down the gauntlet to Borders”. 27
Posted by l'Etat on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:42 | # TF: The Western-European-built U.S. was already the #1 power in the world by AD1900, possessing the largest economy, a much greater homeland mass and population than the British Empire, and a more inventive citizenry than Russia. Its trajectory was up, up, and up further. This paradise-on-earth did not require Jews or others to maintain its leading position. 28
Posted by Matt O'Halloran on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:43 | # A ringing defence of Dr Ellis from a fellow British academic, and in The Guardian to boot: http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/comment/story/0,,1745974,00.html Now let’s see MR commenters do their bit. Realism versus the pubertarians. 29
Posted by Matt O'Halloran on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:50 | # And here a student of Dr Ellis ridicules the idea that his ‘racism’ affected his teaching: http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/0000000CAFF5.htm The affair smells of a put-up job by Trots. The Socialist Worker has been at the head of the jackal pack yelping for the blood of an Englishman. 30
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:52 | # Thanks, Matt. Pity about the many Bernsteins. 31
Posted by AD on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:45 | # See what happens when you teach them to speak English, use electrical devices and watch Hollywood movies about “hicks”? Next thing you know, the parasite is telling it’s host that you can’t live without me, don’t even try, i was always here! 32
Posted by The Future on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:46 | # I just can’t wait until you redneck slobs (not a ‘personal insult’, just a fact) actually get your desired policies. You see my dear gibbons, the USA has far inferior math and science talent than China and India. Just look at who wins the international math competitions. Your ENTIRE technological infastructure is maintained by Jews and Asians. The low-IQ race of gluttonous, semi-baboon troglodytes (this actually a generous description of the what the average beer-guzzling ‘white American’ is like) do not have the requisite ability to do this any longer. The EU is a joke, India and China already surpasses them in many areas of technology (not that I expect the Euro yard gibbons to know or care), though we do not (yet) beat Russia. ‘American whites’ lost the ability to produce native talent a long time ago, preferring the alternative of IMPORTING talent. You think we’re here because we like living with ‘white’ (hey have you notice that chimps are ‘white’ beneath their fur, huh) cretinous porch monkeys? Think again. We are here because we get paid. If you can’t beat multiculture, join us. If you force us to leave, or if the dollar falls, your infastructure will be in ruins. Even Cuba will beat you, hah hah. In conclusion…
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Posted by AD on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:27 | # A collection of excerpts from “The Future’s” posts sure would make for some excellent propaganda…..under the title “multiculturalism from their perspective”. 34
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:45 | # Is this guy an example of John Ray’s “polite” Subcon grad students? (Gee, I’d hate to see the rude ones, in that case ....) Is this guy a little foretaste of what we whites are in for, once we’re insane enough to have let politically-significant volumes of them into our countries, followed by their gaining a degree of power over us? I fear so ... We’d better control their numbers now or we’ll be forced to give them a good thrashing later for their impertinence, just as we thrashed them for two hundred years in their own subcontinent. 35
Posted by Steve Edwards on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:52 | # Hey there TF! Good to hear back from you. I’m glad you think we’re stupid “yard-apes”, because you were just intellectually annihilated by one! BTW - I hate to be a stick in the mud, but you still haven’t substantiated any of your claims, nor responded to any of mine. I can perfectly understand why - you were beaten like a red-headed step-child! Until next time, brains trust… 36
Posted by Mark Richardson on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:04 | # The Future can’t even get his argument straight. First he tells us that we have to have foreign immigrants because “In the future, every country will have to select for high-IQ to be competitive.” Then he claims that ethnically homogeneous China and India are prevailing over the West despite the fact that they are exporting rather than importing numbers of higher IQ technical types. The Future, if your first assertion is correct it means that the position of China and India should be declining, not rising. 37
Posted by Niozilda on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:08 | #
Indeed. You’d better mind your Ps & Qs future boy. You wouldn’t want to end up being blown out of the end of a cannon like your great great great granddaddy, would you? 38
Posted by The Future on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:01 | # Stupid trash gibbons, Chinese and Indians are racially superior to whites, whose low IQ and population keeps them from being competitive. Until we have an IQ deficit, we won’t need immigration. White countries like the USA depend on immigrants to sustain their technology. Which is hardly surprising, given the average porch monkey’s low IQ and work ethic. But if you hicks want to deport us and compete on equal terms, BRING IT ON. Westerners have a bad memory, and forget that Islam, China, and India were technologically far ahead of baboon-mentality Euros for most of history. Your utter defeat and annihilation is the only alternative to multiculturalism. I would rather trust an actual gibbon on the ‘history of the west’ rather than the western kind, who glorifies alleged western achievments and demonizes or ignores that of other civilizations. I understand some of you are ‘white American’, meaning your knowledge of geography goes something like this:
Fact is, the average western troglodyte ‘scholar’ cannot escape his brain-dead, dualistic, Judeo-Christian mentality. They have been distorting history from medieval times to the present day. Enough playing around with redneck porch monkeys. I have real work to do. 39
Posted by Steve Edwards on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:27 | # I see TF is still making an ass of himself. Tell me TF, it’s established that you don’t like whi…sorry, “porch monkeys” and “gibbons” very much. So how come your girlfriend, if you are to be believed, is also a “porch monkey” and a “gibbon”? Is there some, let us say, inadequacy of yours we have yet to address? 40
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:28 | # We’ve just had a little foretaste of what lies in store for us once John Ray’s plan of letting them all in is carried to completion. (I hope John was listening and got a good earful ... That particular Subcon, I’ve no doubt, can act very “polite” in face-to-face dealings ...) 41
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:33 | # (Subcon or yellow, makes no difference—John’s plan to let them all in extends to yellows as well. They’re “polite,” you see—not yobs. I said Subcon because he claims to have a white G/F, something yellows rarely have—unless he was making that up.) 42
Posted by Steve Edwards on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:34 | # Are you there John Ray? You’d better be reading this. 43
Posted by Andy on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:18 | # Why has this waste of oxygen not been banned yet? Not only has he not provided a coherent argument, but he can’t seem to refrain from childish personal attacks. I quickly grow weary of his shtick. 44
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:47 | # Haven’t banned him because he has made such a fine job of arguing on our behalf. I accept that there is a downside to not banning double digits in that they lack the marbles to comprehend the failure of their arguments, and so go right on pressing the same non-functioning buttons. We seem to be at that stage with El Zopenco here. If I get really bored with him I will add him to our zopenco-filled role of honour. 45
Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:30 | # That TF comes from the Indian sub-continent is obvious as no Chinese person would mention India and China in the same breath. I suspect he is of that paticularly hideous breed of Indian loser, ‘educated’ by one of the Western institutes of technology set up by Whites in India and corrupted, as is everything touched by the innate backwardness of the Dravidian Aboriginal mentality. On the other hand maybe TF’s Mummy was unable to arrange a satisfactory marriage for him and this, combined with the inevitable disappointments of a febrile belief in astrology has soured him and blighted his career as an daily-paid rubber-tapper in South East Asia. 46
Posted by Mark Richardson on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:53 | # TF keeps throwing around the accusation that Americans are lazy. In fact, Americans rank very highly in terms of average annual hours of work. In 2004, the American average was 1824 hours compared to the Japanese average of 1816. Australians (1816) and New Zealanders (1826) also had comparable rates to the Japanese. As it happens, the number of Americans working more than 50 hours per week has risen substantially over the last decade, mostly among middle-class, white collar professionals. 47
Posted by AD on Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:38 | # “The Future” thinks multiculturalism is inevitable, there’s nothing we can do to stop it you see. Yet he also believes that his future is so fragile in the west, that he needs to tout outlandish geopolitical fantasies to stop people on a BLOG from deporting him. He also uses the strange tactic of telling us, people who don’t like the current state of affairs, that things will change if he leaves. Most of us aren’t American, but know that much of America is a poor shadow of what it was pre-1965. He tells us that everything that we think America is now(ie in debt, crime-ridden brownsville), is because of multiculturalism(true).....and “threatens” us with the alternative(ie prosperous, self-reliant, clean, low-crime, 1950s America). I don’t know which side he’s arguing for. Deport me, and all you’re wildest fantasies will come true, so don’t deport me! I also like the constant “redneck hick” schtick. It is cute coming from aliens, when most of their backgrounds are rural, disease ridden and illiterate…...to a degree never seen in our culture, even amongst our most backward. Everyone knows why the phrase “white trash” exists, as it is a given that most trash isn’t white. It implies an exception to the rule…..while the phrase “brown trash” is considered completely redundant. 48
Posted by Nio Zilda on Wed, 05 Apr 2006 01:46 | # Indians (average I.Q. circa 81) are racially superior to Whites? Yes, & the moon is made of Welsh rabbit. 49
Posted by Ethnocentrist on Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:47 | #
Completely agree. Simply stating trash effectively puts all whites on the same cognitive page. In the case of the sub-cons, turds is just as equal a clarifier. 50
Posted by Steve Edwards on Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:21 | # I doubt there are even any “rednecks” around here, properly understood. 51
Posted by Andrew on Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:10 | # Brown , black , or even plain Barabrian:The long-drawn-out collapse of the Roman Empire in the West wasn’t just a matter of geopolitical rearrangement, a mere change of masters. It was a complete break with the past. To its citizens, and even to its slaves, the Roman Empire had been an economic system, a communications network, an Ideological structure, and a cultural reference. All this, which had grown over centuries, disappeared in only a few generations. The collapse of Rome, the great Western political and social institution of early time, ruling a quarter of humanity was accomplished by the incoming peoples who first sought refuge in the empire and, in so doing, destroyed it. The incomers arrived as uncivilised barbarians-that is to say they were societies cast in a heroic mould, with no city life, no Intellectual tradition and no belief in the possibilities of the progressive accumulation of Knowledge. Unable therefore to pick up the march of progress from where the Romans had left off, they had to start afresh and build up a new civilisation from scratch. But each time order was re-imposed, each time that it seemed some kind of new stability could be achieved, each time a ruler like Charlemagne tried to create a functioning state, yet more new people would arrive to destroy the fragile borders, the turbulent times lasted for almost a thousand years, from the fifth century, when a Germanic general deposed the last Western emperor, to the fifteenth, when the migration of the Turks was more or less over and the new Nations of Europe had settled into their present position. 52
Posted by Calvin on Fri, 07 Apr 2006 01:12 | # The real lesson to be learned from “The Future” is the depth of hatred and envy felt towards Whites by non-Whites. A hatred made explicit wherever the non-Europeans hold dominance over the European. Places like South Africa and Zimbabwe for example. The hatred which has also been made evident in France where the aliens assemble to beat and rob the very students and leftist who are their main defenders. The explicit hate towards Whites displayed by hispanic supremacists in America. The Future indictes clearly why we must never, ever allow these people to hold us in their power. 53
Posted by Steve Edwards on Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:07 | # John Ray was probably reading but he won’t admit to learning anything from the experience. 54
Posted by Anon on Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:55 | #
Broken window fallacy. The fact that immigrants are making necessary contributions doesn’t prove that their effect is *beneficial*, since they divert resources that could be used to promote native education and talent. *Ceteris paribus* it is better to have more talent than less, but the problem for the USA (and other western countries) is not a lack of talent. The government is simply not directing resources to promote indigenous education, and immigration serves as a easier way of relieving this deficit. In the short run this saves money, but in the long run it leaves a back door to (as TF himself admits) economic disaster, espionage, ethnic-social tribalism, terrorism, etc. The USA was ahead in technology both before and after it allowed non-white immigrants in, so I fail to see any causal relation. In fact, the USA started to decline and fall behind the Soviet Union in aspects of military technology and geopolitics starting from the 1970s, and was far more powerful (comparatively) in the 1950s and early 1960s. The no-immigraton Soviet Union dominated theoretical science (especially astrophysics), chess, mathematics, and military technology during this time, producing some of the best-known hardware of the cold war. As for computer technology and electronics, these are economic, not intellectual deficits. Once you have the theoretical knowledge to reach a goal, the only determining factor is how much engineering and resources you throw into the project. Technology proper depends on a market and culture that is both receptive and stimulating. A comparison of Soviet and western space technology show that the Russians use extremely ingenious mathematical and theoretical solutions, while the Americans simply rely on engineering techniques. The Soviet Union collapsed not because of lack of talent, but because of economic, social, and institutional problems. Let that be a lesson to us all. 55
Posted by Lurker on Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:17 | # A few days back future said: “if you hicks want to deport us and compete on equal terms, BRING IT ON” Well, exactly, youve stated our position precisely, what are we arguing about then? You pack your bags and go back to India and prove how you are the master race and whatnot and we will collapse into the 3rd world. In fact, why are you concerned to stay here at all and help prop us up since you clearly dont like us? As you said, bring it on. Post a comment:
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Posted by Phil on Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:29 | #
the Left, essentially Shiite Moslem in their approach to this area, will do anything to de-legitimise it.
It isn’t just the Left - its the belligerent Left, the clueless Centre and the spineless Right. They all come together to make this happen.