Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:09 | #

I’ve got to read Zundel’s books, they sure must be interesting.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:35 | #

I wouldn’t bother with Zundel.  He may be what his detractors say he is.  It doesn’t matter.  He had the right to be.  He broke no Canadian laws.  His expulsion was a naked application of Jewish power.

Anybody who successfully contradicts the line we are fed by the “controlled mainstream media” and Hollywood will become the enemy of Organised Jewry.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:11 | #

WM mailed me this post from 22nd February on Robert Lindsay’s blog.  It makes the point far more eloquently than I have.

http://robertlindsay.blogspot.com/2005/02/i-dont-hate-jews-i-hate-everyone.html

Posted by Robert Lindsay on Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:37 | #

Hey thx for the shoutout there guessedworker. My God that article has stimulated more comment, pro, con and otherwise, than I would have ever thought. I agree with you that I don’t really think Gibson’s film is anti-Semitic. Not that it matters anyway. Interesting, you know, I left the church for most of my adult life and got back into it after I saw that movie.

Posted by Effra on Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:55 | #

Not the Robert Lindsay who played Christ in Franco Zeffirelli’s mini-series, by any chance? (The one produced by that notorious anti-semite, Lew Grade.)

Posted by Effra on Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:06 | #

“The first of March, 2005, will be remembered as a truly great day in Canadian history. Years from now, this will be remembered as the day Ernst Zundel was finally returned to Germany to stand trial for Holocaust denial and the spreading of Nazi propaganda…

“...Of course, one could question whether or not holding Zundel under a national-security certificate was fair or just. But considering Zundel’s connections to white-supremacist and neo-Nazi groups—read: domestic terrorism—no one should shed any tears over the matter. Where were the civil libertarians? Civil libertarians, rightly, had better things to do…

...Zundel should be taken to Auschwitz and, much like a dog’s nose may be rubbed in an errant turd, forced to look upon this testament to the Holocaust with his own eyes. Let him try to deny the Holocaust once he’s done this. One would expect that even this hate-filled, cowardly little man would feel some amount of shame for his actions.”

(Patrick Ross, ‘So long and good riddance, Ernst Zundel’, The Gateway, Alberta)

Is cowardly the mot juste for Zundel?

Posted by Phil Peterson on Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:15 | #

It is important that there be a clear and reasonable definition of “Anti-Semite”. In recent times it has become another word in the culture war - “racist”, “sexist”, “bigot”, “homophobe” etc etc etc.

The New Republic once accused John Derbyshire (!) of National Review of anti-semitism. I have long since come to the view that the only sane way for white Gentiles to deal with this nonsense is by not giving a monkey’s for Jewish sensibilities.

My attitude is: If you have a thin skin, its not my problem quite frankly.

Posted by Effra on Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:23 | #

Just keep quietly insisting that ‘semitic’ is a language term, and that to be anti-semitic is to be against both the Jews and their intimately related cousins, the Arabs.

Then add that you are not interested in sordid Middle Eastern civil wars between tribes whose genomes are virtually inseparable; civilised Caucasoid Britons and Americans do not have a dog in that fight, and have long since learned that it’s not worth killing one another for reasons of politics or religion.

Posted by Patrick Ross on Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:41 | #

I stand firmly behind my categorization of mr. Zundel as a coward. As the grandson of a WWII veteran who, himself, witnessed the existance of concentration camps in Germany, I know for a fact that this is something that happened.
  Furthermore, I firmly believe that Mister Zundel does as well. This brings us into an interesting line of argument regarding the holocaust.
  One must ask if the state of Germany in its current form, or even if any significant number of Germany’s current citizens are directly responsible for the Holocaust. The answer is (mostly) know.
  Holocaust denial comes from many different sources. One of those is a resentment over alleged German “guilt” over its events.
  It is impossible to deny that the state of Germany will always hold some degree of complicity in the Holocaust. However, that degree is very small—large enough to recognize—but not not large enough to resemble anything I would consider “guilt”. The responsibility of Germany and its citizens is to recognize what has occured, and remember it. When events like this are swept under the rug and forgotten, they are certain to happen again.
  Is mister Zundel responsible for the Holocaust? No. But I would like to remind you all that he fled his home country to escape conscription (which was the law of the time) and fled Canada to escape prosecution for the dissemination of Hate Literature (a crime under Canada’s laws, and rightfully so) he was arrested in Tennessee for overstaying his visa, and returned to Canada when he was taken into custody under a National Security Certificate (arguably, a flawed process, but in this situation it worked) due to his connections to domestic terrorist groups. This man attempts to deny historical events that possess some of the most profound evidence to prove their existence.
  Zundel is a coward, in every sense of the word. I firmly stand by that.
  As for the Zionist conspiracy, well, some people demonstrate their own ignorance quite well.

Posted by Geoff Beck on Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:56 | #

Patrick:

Did your grandfather happen to see any gas chambers? Did he visit the Auschwitz swimming pool?

Posted by Patrick Ross on Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:59 | #

Not according to the story he told. But he arrived at the camp scant hours after the Nazis retreated. Not only were survivors left behind to tell the tale of what had happened there, but my grandfather could smell the odor of burning flesh that was still in the air.
  Furthermore, the camp in this tale was not Auschwitz, but I would actually have to do some checking to find out which camp it was.

Posted by Geoff Beck on Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:36 | #

Patrick:

Just in case you don’t know: the stories about lampshades, soap, and all that are now debunked. Not even the Jews are peddling that non-sense.

Also, there is great controversy concerning the so called ‘gas chambers’.

Now, even the Jews admit, there are no gas chambers at Dauchau. The only real contention is one room at Auschwitz.

Here are some links on the real holocaust history:
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http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/fake/SWCsmokeFake.html

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http://www.vho.org/
http://www.ihr.org/

Posted by Patrick Ross on Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:50 | #

If you’re going to post links, make sure they work.
  Furthermore, a site that proposes that Iraq was invaded “to secure Israel” has absolutely no credibility when you consider that Iraq in its state prior to the U.S. invasion, posed absolutely no threat to Israel.
  Stories about lampshades and soap are debunked, this is true. However, I would like to hear one rational argument that would explain away the deaths of six million Jews.
  Of course, I know I’ll never hear them. They don’t exist.

Posted by Geoff Beck on Mon, 11 Apr 2005 01:04 | #

Patrick:

This shows how misinformed you really are.

Even the Jews say it is down to 4 million. That story quietly appeared in Time Magazine.

Of course how many millions died in Cambodia, Russia, Africa under genocidal campaigns, they don’t get museums in Washington DC

Posted by Geoff Beck on Mon, 11 Apr 2005 01:21 | #

You might try listening to this:

http://www.ihraudio.dreamhost.com/revisionism_on_kfi_am640.ram