Posted by Tommy G on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:26 | #

“Having said all that, here is my audio homage to my heathen listening audience at Vanguard News Network.”

I’m not quite sure what you said, but it sure had me rolling on the floor with laughter.

ENCORE! ENCORE!

Posted by Red Baron on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:12 | #

Of course it matters not that a connection VNN and Ron Paul is non-existent. Yet, this false connection between VNN and Ron Paul is just one salvo; next is the “illegal currency” connection.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jZHepUhX3cYLnSqZV2tm_byrun3AD8SV1B5O2

Bowery, it won’t do you any good to act respectable and put down White Nationalist RP supporters, rather it shows your immaturity in understanding just how politics work.

You’re nativity is rather charming at times, though. Your enthusiasm reminds me of my toddler - how cute.

Posted by James Bowery on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:21 | #

Well RB it wasn’t my intent to put down anyone.  If you are referring to my use of “heathen” it has to be taken in the context of VNN’s own carefully cultivated image as a rogue group.  My playing along with the “bad boy” image cultivated by VNN shouldn’t be over-interpreted.

And if you think my audio homage is an attempt to “act respectable” you must have a very different, uh, aesthetic sense than most.

Posted by Red Baron on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:33 | #

> And if you think my audio homage is an attempt to “act respectable” you must have a very different, uh, aesthetic sense than most.

I guess I just don’t get it.

Posted by GT on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:45 | #

Tuned in at 7:10 p.m. pst, just before everything went to hell.

Posted by Will Stuteley on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:05 | #

What an embarrassing end to a potentially fertile collaboration. Regrettably, the Beer Hall element (“Punk Mob”) is the loudest and most ubiquitous force at VNN right now, having driven the more substantive radio voices off to serener pastures. It’s a real shame.

James Bowery and Cygnet—I hope tonights lamentable end will not rule-out the possibility of guest appearances on VNN in the future, when more able and <cough> intelligent hosts may be available to do you guys justice. James Bowery in particular is a pleasure to listen to; he not only has a FORMIDABLE grasp of political economy, but an excellent radio voice and dignified manner.

Dietrich and Alex Linder have been off center-stage lately and VNN has suffered, but if James and Cygnet can arrange to be on a show with either of them hosting—sans Punk Mob—then the resulting discussion could be TREMENDOUS. The educational value would be enormous and Dietrich and Linder are civil and engaging hosts.

Again, as a part of the “Silent Majority” at VNN, I hope that tonights sideshow doesn’t preclude the possibility of future ventures. We desperately need these types of collaborations to weld the HEAD of White Nationalism (MR) back onto its BODY (VNN).

Posted by James Bowery on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:43 | #

The host of the show lost control of his show—which is not good.  He made a judgment call and retreated to the familiar format.  Its understandable.

What is going on with Alex Linder’s absence?  I know he was involved in some sort of legal thing due to a police confrontation.

Posted by Will Stuteley on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:21 | #

The legal issue was resolved rather favorably for Alex, but lately he has had some kind of health issue. He’s been on the radio only once in the the last few months, and hasn’t disclosed the nature of his injury/illness. We’re all looking forward to getting him back and hoping his issue is not too serious.

Posted by GT on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:41 | #

What an embarrassing end to a potentially fertile collaboration. Regrettably, the Beer Hall element (“Punk Mob”) is the loudest and most ubiquitous force at VNN right now, having driven the more substantive radio voices off to serener pastures. It’s a real shame.

Unfortunately, this was not an aberration.  It has happened many times in the past and will continue to do so as long as White nationalists follow the traditional path.

White nationalists have traditionally fallen into one of two categories:

1.  Non-revolutionaries who wish to peacefully restore Euroman’s influence from within the Judeo-system through persuasion and the ballot box.
2.  Self-proclaimed ‘Revolutionaries’ (counter-revolutionary insurgents, actually) who wish to violently remove and replace the system’s (Judeo) head with their own.

Both categories wish to conserve - as in, conservative - the very system which let us down in the first place.  Both categories want to retain the system but turn it back to a point in time when it didn’t hurt (the Euroman) as much.

MR’s tends toward the former.  VNN tends toward the latter.  The third position, to build a new system on scarcely occupied territory and prepare for peaceful or violent secession is, presently, barely tolerated if not abhorred by both sides.

When dealing with VNN, Soren should understand that Anarchy precedes the Revolution which precedes the War to consolidate the New Regime, and from this angle VNN’s role is to create anarchists and insurgents.  Fundamental to this is the promotion of nihilism, violent propaganda, unsourced claims, and cult-like personality/hero worship – to name only a few. 

Good people have been sucked in by the wordsmythery on VNN’s front page and turned – that is, convinced - by the criminal element in the VNN Forum that the end justifies the means. This idea, that the end justifies the means, is a view shared by criminals, dogpacks, and niggers to whom the regime’s make-up doesn’t matter. The end hasn’t happened and there are other means.

Soren and Bowery are not nihilists.  To my knowledge they are not unemployable alcoholics, drug addicts, or career criminals.  Nihilists, alcoholics, addicts, and criminals aren’t working-class – they hide within the working-class.  When collaborating with VNN, Soren and Bowery should exercise better judgment in choosing whom to deal with.  Research the personalities involved and if in doubt – don’t.  They are their to reach the honest working- and lower-middle class - not the nihilists.

Posted by James Bowery on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:48 | #

What you are referring to as your third position is what Soren has called “frontierism” which he coined to describe my position going back over 30 years to the present.  It is a flavor of Cornucopianism liberation I referred to in my intro above.  Soren disagrees with it due, in part, to the global nature of the ecological catastrophe which he perceives to no longer be a potential, but to be upon us.  We weren’t able to get into a discussion of why he perceives that or why frontierism is undercut by it relative to his revolutionary malthusianism.

The main point of my appearing on VNN was just what I said in the original post—to say some things I thought they needed to hear.  The feedback was very positive.  Libertarianism, in my nuanced definition provided here at MR, is very frontierist—expanding the very land itself to new frontiers as well as allowing more effective use of existing land.  And, you are correct, merely turning back the clock doesn’t suffice—it just sets us up for more of the same, but I think you need to give the revolutionaries more credit:  If you could turn back the clock with the exception of what you now know you most certainly would not follow the same life course. 

My own opinion on this is that it may be necessary to dispense with the fire breathing dragons lying coiled upon their piles of gold now littering the land also known as “cities” before much can be done.  I believe this not because nothing can be done but because centralized control of land title sits with the dragons—including land that is “scarcely occupied” but nevertheless controlled by them.

PS: You can listen to the portion of the show you missed by clicking on this link.

Posted by Old Raven on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:11 | #

James—I listened to the FTL broadcast and, in spite of the “ruckus” still found it valuable.  Especially your comments.

There was MUCH room for expansion, though, and that seemed to be the problem.  There DOES also seem to be some tendency of Soren to burst in at odd times with odd things.  And I don’t think the VNN folk are used to his style!

So why don’t you and Soren (soren?) CONTINUE and EXPAND on your conversation in a brand-spanking new MR Podcast?  Let’s hear all about “frontierism” and all the verbal threads that never quite got finished on Friday night’s show. 

Thanks!

OldRaven

Posted by James Bowery on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:35 | #

Soren’s style needs to find appropriate places.  Serious discussion doesn’t seem to benefit from it.  Consider for a moment a court with its jester.  He likes to keep it that way for his own literary reasons, but it is up to others to decide the jester’s appropriate place.

Posted by Red Baron on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:00 | #

OFF TOPIC:

Frank Weltner’s Jewwatch.com project which posts daily “Zionist News” videos on youtube.com is now banned on youtube.com.

His youtube videos often broke 20,000 or more views.

Account Suspended Notice:
http://www.youtube.com/index?&session=t0uK5uW0WgNo3ZRfYMOgM138Am1QlN9vgT-k2UAciamjvAJj4DaLmLiOo7wSmAEhNTpQH6ZOHIPow0UY6Z49OaIs-9tIIzLp_2U8O7NI4EErh37P1qJ1gOqWbaAALr8f9YLNJJLrq9fGRivjJg0PJVoD12Urc-E6zSrURWQR0Dbuc73EhqbzVTTo1nnKhM61jx0cAHG-nVA0SudzGsbh32Xq_dbgILDCvuPM6AVDQnIl5A3NIxF6DWnAKpYny7ShJnbF9ht29OL9U34w8jLtNg==

Jew Watch Homepage
http://jewwatch.com/

Posted by Jean West on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:49 | #

I was misled by the “Ron Paul minute” expression, taking it literally.  This morning, though, I did go and listen to the audio and was rewarded by the clarity with which Jim Bowery expressed his insights.  I was enlightened by his explanations of wealth centralization as a key phenotype of the Jewish organism, by horizontal transmission and the necessity for freedom of association, by his interpretation of Big Fraud from the perspective of the actuarial value of human lives and as a form of trauma that prevents adaptive response by exceeding the design limits of its victims - these and more, delivered in a patient, agreeable tone.

The show also exposed the uselessness of the VNN enterprise for carrying out a higher level of anti-jewish activism.  It’s a measure of the value I placed on JB’s discussion that I forced myself to sit through the ranting and interruptions of two others who were determined to “steal the show”.

If concepts like the ones I referred to above are developed elsewhere, I’d like to have the URLs, not just for myself, but to use on lists I’m on where Libertarian activists in my state post.

JW

Posted by jonathan on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:05 | #

The discussion of the ‘hilarious’ Darwin/Jew moment has at least gotten onto the VNN forum, and promoted some scientific consideration amongst the Calling Out The Jew and TNB overhaul. Kudos to James and Soren for their efforts.

Posted by VLC on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:39 | #

nothing against Bud White or the other hosts but I miss Geoff Beck, his Free Talk Live shows were the best and had the most interesting conversations. A Beck & Bowery duo would be great.

I was listening to this one yesterday:

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/download/ftl/ftl_12-11-06_p1.mp3

GT: “...that is, convinced - by the criminal element in the VNN Forum that the end justifies the means.”

the end does justifies the means because we’re talking about survival, not some socio-political utopia.

Posted by VLC on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:32 | #

I’ve just heard the Darwin bashing part from that guy named Mark. It was kind of embarassing (Darwin wasn’t a WN because duh the white race and was the dominant race on the planet back then) but if you really want to bash Darwin for something here’s something: he had an intense dislike of slavery and wrote in a letter that he wished the North would destroy the South. He thought the war was about that.

Posted by GT on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:11 | #

VLC,

the end does justifies the means because we’re talking about survival, not some socio-political utopia.

“Utopian” is the idea that decapitation of the (anti-White) judeosystem can be effected by (White) elements who are utterly dependent upon that system for survival.

Posted by Maguire on Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:36 | #

James,

“replacing the progress into space with a “counter culture” human ecology more akin to the veritable cornucopia of ecological foment that is the body of an AIDS patient.”

This is a good description.

“Now that Jews are securely in control of the West and other nationalities have usurped its technical infrastructure, Jews may finally allow some further progress”

“but do we have enough time to avoid a Malthusian disaster given the kinds of people controlling capital?”

I also mourn the passing of real manned space exploration.

The Apollo program and concurrent aerospace development was entirely the product of white men working in unison.  The post-1960s period has provided utterly no evidence the Jews’ multi-racial sexual madhouse is capable of the follow- on developments necessary for resuming such progress.  And it has provided quite a bit of evidence any such effort now will fail.  The contemporary evidence points the other way towards progressive technology loss.

This collapse of the KH-13 follow-on program

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/washington/11satellite.html?_r=2&ref=washington&oref=slogin&oref=slogin#step1

is an indicator of the greater disasters we can reasonably anticipate from Dubya’s after-Shuttle manned space program.  NASA’s post-1960s track record is far worse than the National Reconaissance Office’s record.  You know this.  Resumption of any progress will require a level of enterprise racial cohesiveness ZOG will never tolerate in large scale advanced technology enterprises.  Pioneer Little Europes will be implemented first.

Maguire

Posted by cladrastis on Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:10 | #

just listened to the vnn broadcast last night.

great job soren on making mark (faust?) look like the fool that he is.  i really appreciated your and bowery’s commentaries.  you are absolutely right (not that you need any more validation) about the scale of the ecological catastrophe looming before us.  you are also correct that “the movement” (bear w/ this term) needs not only more visible, charismatic leaders, but also the great intellects and innovators (the aristos) of our time, AS WELL AS the masses (or at least some double digit percentage) of average European derived people. 

regardless of your somewhat hyperactive manner on the broadcasts, you clearly have access to vast intellectual resources.  thank you (and bowery) for using them to “awaken” others.  given time and exposure, you will find many of those people for whom you are searching (those more gifted than yourselves - few, though they may be).  i just hope you have time to find them.

i would enjoy hearing you and bowery chatting about whatever it is the two of you talk about on a more regular basis.  consider airing another mr broadcast.  for what it’s worth - despite the criticisms you’ve received about your broadcasts on this website - i for one, appreciate the effort you put into them.

Posted by Red Baron on Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:49 | #

> What has happened to Geoff?

The cares and trials of everyday life him by the balls, I’ve heard.

Posted by James Bowery on Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:00 | #

Maguire,

I agree.  From my testimony before Congress regarding the passage of PL101-611, the Launch Services Purchase Act of 1990, for which its sponsor, Ron Packard gave the Coalition for Science and Commerce primary credit:

Americans will never again truly believe in government space programs and plans.

Posted by James Bowery on Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:56 | #

Since there was so much positive feedback I’ve created an edited-down version of the audio for people like Jean.

Posted by Dietrich on Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:40 | #

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=62684

http://coolkidsrebel.com/_storage/mr_holiday_rap_2.mp3

Posted by James Bowery on Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:25 | #

Nice mashup.  Did you do it?

I wouldn’t call it a parody so much as an homage to my heathen hosts: When in the Heather, and all that.  And if you think I’m insulting you by calling you Heathen then you don’t know me very well.  I’ll admit I don’t know a lot about VNN except the little I get from this forum—including Soren’s interview—and while we might quibble about the exact nature of our misfortune, we are in basic agreement as to its identity: The international nation of Jews.

I do think I have some perspectives that are important to understand and I think I got the essence of those perspectives across to give powerful intellectual tools to VNN listeners that might otherwise respond with less intelligence to the problem. It took me decades, but with the help of “Who Rules America” by Pierce, and “Niche Theory” by Faussette, some of the folks here at MR who pointed me toward Ewald’s work on the evolution of virulence and of course KMac’s monumental trilogy, I began to see the Jewish group organism’s virulence for the immune suppressing pathogen it is.

Posted by TmG on Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:07 | #

“http://coolkidsrebel.com/_storage/mr_holiday_rap_2.mp3”

Now that’s entertainment!!!

Bowery, with a few voice lessens and a better backup band, you have the potential to become the next Bob Goulet.

Posted by ben tillman on Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:00 | #

I began to see the Jewish group organism’s virulence for the immune suppressing pathogen it is.

It’s worse than that.  It produces immune suppression plus auto-immune attacks.  It amounts to immune inversion.  Immune system inversion syndrome, or ISIS.