Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:59 | #

That BNP party plank on immigration is a dream come true.  It deserves to be excerpted:  here it is in part:

[...] At least twenty percent of the currently resident population [of Britain] were either born overseas or are descendants of foreign-born parents.  The vast majority of these foreign-born residents are of Third World extraction.  According to figures released by the Office for National Statistics, at least eleven percent of all people living in Britain today were born overseas.  This figure does not include their second or third generation children.

All these facts point inexorably to the overwhelming and extinguishing of Britain and British identity under a tsunami of immigration.  To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the “positive discrimination” schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of “asylum seekers,” all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

The BNP’s policy is to:

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;

- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;

- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;

- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;

- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

[...] Not only is Britain increasingly overcrowded, but the fact is that a country is the product of its people and if you change the people you inevitably change the nature of the country.

We want Britain to remain - or return to - the way it has traditionally been.  We accept that Britain always will have ethnic minorities and have no problem with this as long as they remain minorities and do not change nor seek to change the fundamental culture and identity of the indigenous peoples of the British Isles.

The current open-door policy and unrestricted, uncontrolled immigration is leading to higher crime rates, demand for more housing (driving prices out of the reach of young people), severe extra strain on the environment, traffic congestion, longer hospital waiting lists, lower educational standards, higher income taxes, lower wages, higher unemployment, loss of British identity, a breakdown in community spirit, more restrictive policing, higher council taxes, a shortage of council homes, higher levels of stress and unhappiness and a more atomised society.

India would not tolerate millions of non-Indians taking over that society.  Pakistan would not tolerate millions of Hindus or Christians entering that country and changing it from a Muslim society into something else.  Japan would not do it; China would not do it - so why should Britain?

Can anyone imagine Saudi Arabia allowing the mass immigration of Christians, so that in a few decades it would no longer be an Islamic country?

Each nation has the right to maintain its own identity.  The right of India to remain Indian, the right of China to remain Chinese, the right of Pakistan to remain Pakistani and the right of Saudi Arabia to remain Saudi does not mean that any of these nations “hate” anybody else.  All it means is that they wish to preserve their identity and national existence.

This is all the British National Party seeks for Britain - the right to be British.

This is not an extreme demand - it is actually just perfectly normal and completely in line with the rights granted to every other nation and with international law. 

All the other parties shy away from this issue, because they are the ones who have caused the problem in the first place.

Only the British National Party has the reasonable, sensible, fair and just immigration policy which will guarantee that Britain remains British.

( http://bnp.org.uk/2009/04/preserving-british-identity-the-british-national-partys-immigration-policy/ )

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:10 | #

To anyone eligible to vote in Britain:  if you do not vote for the BNP and ONLY the BNP in the upcoming election and every election till immigration is finally sorted out, you are derelict in your duty to your country; are in fact stabbing it in the back in its time of need.  It nurtured you, it gave you everything, it made you, and will you now abandon it when it most needs your help?  SHAME ON YOU IF YOU DO!  SHAME ON YOU IF YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR THE BNP IN YOUR NATION’S HOUR OF NEED!

Don’t worry what anyone else says.  In the privacy of the voting booth, do what you know in your heart of hearts is right!

Posted by Lord O' The Mountebanks on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:13 | #

Let’s hope they wipe the floor with commie Labour and those Benedict Arnold Conservatives.

Posted by Captainchaos on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:29 | #

But then, maybe Mr Griffin is playing a long game, and we just haven’t seen what it is he really intends.

From reading Arthur Kemp’s March of the Titans one can pretty easily discern his penchant for Nordicism and National Socialism; as well as his enthusiasm for genetic testing.  That is about as hardcore as it gets.  And let us not forget Nick Griffin is only a decade removed from denying the “Holocaust” on camera. 

Maybe the Kemp/Griffin duo have managed to out smart the competition?

We can beat the Jews at psychological gamesmanship.

Posted by Captainchaos on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:34 | #

IOW, perhaps it is Griffin’s cunning will to power that plays to some as oily underhandedness that was necessary to get the job done, and not Bowden’s intellectual earnestness.

Posted by Wandrin on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:16 | #

Will it be nationalism, really?

My view.

Without a crisis and/or control of the mass media there’s a limit to what can be achieved. Even if you have a crisis there’s nothing you can do if you don’t have a mass organisation ready. And if you have a mass organisation you’ve a chance of being able to afford/create mass media.

So in my view it comes down to somehow creating a mass organisation. The policies need to be acceptable to the citizenry in non-crisis conditions while at the same time explicitly unacceptable to mainstream politics. It must be tricky getting it just right and there’s obviously a thousand and one ways it can go wrong but I think Griffin’s been playing his cards well so far.

Abolish all restrictions on traditional free speech - common law provisions against incitement to violence are the only proper limits in a free society;

Abolish “anti-discrimination” laws which prevent people from making a free choice.

Very pleased to see those bits. Great stuff.

Posted by skeptical on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:31 | #

Guessedworker,

Will it be nationalism, really?  I doubt it.  But then, maybe Mr Griffin is playing a long game, and we just haven’t seen what it is he really intends.  Always assuming, of course, that Inevitablism is the real deal, and will carry him all the way to Downing Street.

Ethnic survival can take many different forms, chances are Mr. Griffin is caught up in the winds of change and doesn’t know where he’s going to end up either.  Whatever form our ethnic survival takes, I doubt it will be that of the nationalist regimes of the 20th century.

One distinct possibility is that we shall see Marxised liberalism travel back in the direction it came … back towards the classical tradition.  The rubric of anti-Nature will be reclaimed by liberty, that of race-replacement by equality, that of economism by progress, that of universalism by fraternalism.  The liberal polity will not dissolve by itself.  Why should it?  It is not threatened by freedom of speech and freedom of association.  It is only threatened by the most thoroughgoing nationalism, and we won’t get that, it seems, with the BNP.

No, this new form of modern liberalism that we all labor under is on the way out and will never come back once it’s gone.  See how its many failures litter the globe, how it eats away at the foundations of all human civilization like a malignant cancer.  In our respective countries, modern liberalism requires that its disciples live in gated enclaves and speak to each other in lies, where a sort of equilibrium is sustained by brainwashing the populace to new heights of cognitive dissonance in order to blind them from what should be obvious.  Instead of striking a stable and confident pose, modern liberalism implicitly acknowledges its own decay in an increasing paranoia.

The animal kingdom tells us how this story plays out, the once proud leader who earned his role in victory slowly weakens to the point where he can be displaced by new competition.  And while we may ache for a new (and hopefully more sane) competitor to dethrone modern liberalism, I take it as a given that such will present itself in good time.

Posted by Michael on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:56 | #

Any ideology that has to literally deny reality in order to survive is not long for this world. I think we are in the Brezhnev era of liberalism. It might be another 10 or 20 years, but however long it takes, collapse is coming. The only question is what will rise up from the ashes of liberalism. It could be Islam, or some form of crude balkanisation. Or it might be a new era of European independence, just as the Spanish won their independence from the Moors, and Eastern Europeans systematically beat back the Turks.

Despite how dire things may appear at the moment, please do remember that things were arguably worse about 1,000 years ago, for instance. Spain was under the heal of Islam, the Byzantine Empire was being cut to pieces by the Turks, the Catholic-Orthdox split was being formalised (which made any form of coordinated action against Islam almost impossible), and Egypt - the former bread-basket of the Roman Empire - was by this stage a majority Muslim territory.

What came in the following centuries was simply remarkable - and there is no reason why a new renaissance cannot take place today.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:15 | #

Michael: The only question is what will rise up from the ashes of liberalism.

Their answer is the globalising security state:-

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_horizontally_totalitarian_future_world/

What came in the following centuries was simply remarkable - and there is no reason why a new renaissance cannot take place today.

That surely depends on how radical is our struggle back to the light:-

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/to_do_what_we_must_to_remain_who_we_are/

Posted by skeptical on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:33 | #

I interpret all this talk of a coming [global] police state along with the supposedly increasing need for security cameras and civilian wiretapping, it’s all so much paranoia born out of an increasing sense of vulnerability.  Healthy regimes that are confident in the future don’t act like this, sick ones do.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:28 | #

Nick Griffin gets the treatment again:-

British National Party chairman Nick Griffin spoke today of a ‘bloodless genocide’ as he defended a party leaflet which says that black Britons and Asian Britons ‘do not exist’.

The BNP leader was referring to the party’s Language And Concepts Discipline Manual, which says the term used should be ‘racial foreigners’.

Mr Griffin said to call such people British was a sort of ‘bloodless genocide’ because it denied indigenous people their own identity.

The leaflet was leaked to an anti-fascist group.

Commenting on the leaflet’s content, Mr Griffin told The Report on Radio 4 that although ‘in civic terms they are British, British also has a meaning as an ethnic description’.

‘These people are ‘black residents’ of the UK etc, and are no more British than an Englishman living in Hong Kong is Chinese,’ he said.

‘Collectively, foreign residents of other races should be referred to as ‘racial foreigners’, a non-pejorative term… The key in such matters is above all to maintain necessary distinctions while avoiding provocation and insult.’

The manual describes the BNP’s ‘ultimate aim’ as the ‘lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK’.

‘We don’t subscribe to the politically correct fiction that just because they happen to be born in Britain, a Pakistani is a Briton. They’re not. They remain of Pakistani stock,’ he added.

‘You can’t say that especially large numbers of people can come from the rest of the world and assume an English identity without denying the English their own identity, and I would say that’s wrong.

‘In a very subtle way, it’s a sort of bloodless genocide.’

The Archbishop of York has branded Mr Griffin’s comments as being ‘beyond belief’.

Dr John Sentamu, who was born in Uganda and is a vocal supporter of making today - St George’s Day - a public holiday to promote English unity, said it was not up to the BNP to define Englishness.

He said: ‘You don’t have to be a member of the BNP to be clearly English, and it is quite a mistake to suggest that everybody who wants to affirm Englishness affirms that narrow thinking.

‘This “bloodless genocide”? I think that is just language which is beyond belief.’

Mr Griffin is standing in the European Parliament elections in June as a candidate for the North West.

The Report will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 today at 8pm.

Posted by Wandrin on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:34 | #

Their answer is the globalising security state

I think that’s where our marxist-liberal elite are headed - towards the Chinese solution of a totalitarian state with just enough capitalism to keep the shops full. However if they succeed my guess is it will occur in blocs, like “1984”, rather than in a one world government.

In Europe at least, I think islam specifically will intervene long before the elite are ready to lock down their police state, also both in Europe and elsewhere the genocide through mass immigration is leading to an economic collapse and subsequent unrest that I don’t think they planned for. Either of the above could be the excuse for the security state but I think there’s a very good chance things will irretrievely fall apart much quicker than they expected.

The above is one reason why I don’t worry too much about the policies having gaps - I think ethnic unrest or a premature security state will create crisis conditions that will end up deciding the policy. As long as the Euro-nationalist parties position themselves to be unacceptable to the power elite, especially the media wing, but at the same time within the range of acceptability of the citizens, then the citizens will turn to them in a crisis and the crisis will force the “do what we must” bits. The critical thing to my mind is walking the line that can gain mass numbers while still remaining outside mainstream acceptability.

Alternatively, if they get to power without a crisis then at least our national genocide gets slowed down, we can help out nationalist movements in other countries, we get access to mass media including international and we act as an example.

I see the struggle as a bit like a 3D chess game where each square represents a country and the pieces move up, down and across. The enemy has been playing this for 2000 years and is very good at it and we need to copy them. There’s no long term survival in any single one of our countries if only one survives, we need to win on all the White squares on the board, and so a BNP success, even if far too moderate, boosts the chances of other pieces on other squares, and any nationalist success anywhere boosts the chances of all nationalists everywhere.

Of course, that doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile thinking about what the ideal end-state is.

Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:44 | #

Wandrin,

You are an astute thinker.  I like the way you look forwards.

Here are some thoughts on the ethics of violent resistance, should it come to that:-

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/theory_and_practise_in_violent_resistance/

Posted by ATBOTL on Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46 | #

I hope people here appreciate that this immigration/identity policy puts the BNP to the right of most other “nationalist” parties in Europe.  The BNP is outright rejecting the principal of assimilation and making a clear statement in favor of RACIAL nationalism.

Posted by Wandrin on Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:44 | #

ATBOTL,

Yes it’s very good. My point was more generic and not specifically about the BNP - any nationalist success, as long as it is outside the accepted mainstream, and even if it is too moderate for our long-term survival, helps push the envelope and not just in the nation involved but elsewhere also.

GW,

Here are some thoughts on the ethics of violent resistance, should it come to that

Interesting read. I’m reminded of Kurtz in “Apocalypse Now”. He worked out logically what methods were neccessary to win but implementing those neccessary methods drove him mad. I think a nation is entitled to use whatever means neccessary when they’re being invaded but pragmatism can rule options in and out even if they’re justifiable (and pragmatism includes not damning yourself, for want of a neutral phrase, unless you have no other choice). I think one aspect of that view involves accepting the distinction between conscious invaders and those with no malicious intent who were imported here as tools of the enemy.

Pragmatically I don’t think there’s any sense to violent resistance without the backing of a significant section of the population, as guerrillas need a friendly population to move among. I can think of a few possible exceptions to that where an action undertaken before there was popular support could be worthwhile but the odds of them being counter-productive is so high I wouldn’t seriously contemplate it myself.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:37 | #

“this immigration/identity policy puts the BNP to the right of most other ‘nationalist’ parties in Europe.”  (—ATBOTL)

These BNP policy positions on immigration, repatriation, freedom of association, and so on, are the absolute least a nationalist party can adopt and still merit the name “nationalist.”  These are the strictest minimum:  you cannot advocate anything less.

“The BNP is outright rejecting the principal of assimilation and making a clear statement in favor of RACIAL nationalism.”  (—ATBOTL)

This is simply the strictest minimum any party must do which has nation-preservation in mind.

(ATBOTL, you need to get a different pen name.  That one’s spelling requires an effort to remember each time.  A pen name that sounds as if it could be a person’s name would be better.)

Posted by TheyFoughtforEurope [unlike Judeo-Saxons] on Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:14 | #

THOSE WHO SERVED NOT FORGOTTEN

Posters honoring SS division
appear in Ukrainian city

Ads praising Nazi WWII division pop up in Ukrainian town
Russia Today Saturday, 18 April 2009

LVIV/LVOV, Ukraine — Posters emblazoned with the name of a Nazi
SS division have been turning heads in the city of Lvov in western
Ukraine. The signs carry the phrase, “Ukrainian division Galicia:
They defended Ukraine.”

THEY FOUGHT FOR EUROPE AND UKRAINE—Posters appear
throughout Galician capital honoring the men who served.

In Nazi Germany, the division was called the 114th SS Volunteer
Infantry Division “Galicia,” which pledged an oath to Hitler.
Formed in April 1943, the Galicia division fought against the Soviet
Army, as well as anti-fascist movements in Slovenia and other
countries.

Lvov city officials, however, say they do not know who put the
signs up, but according to its press service, the posters could be
considered “social advertising.”

Some media experts believe they were paid for by municipal
authorities, ITAR TASS reports.

Bills on recognizing those who served in the Galicia and similar
divisions have yet to be passed.

http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-04-18/Ads_praising_Nazi_WWII_division_pop_up_in_Ukrainian_town.html/print

Posted by Josef Vicelwitz on Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:23 | #

And let us not forget Nick Griffin is only a decade removed from denying the “Holocaust” on camera.

Maybe the Kemp/Griffin duo have managed to out smart the competition?

We can beat the Jews at psychological gamesmanship.

Yes it appears Griffin is playing some sort of tactical game here and given his past as a member of the Political Soldiers Faction of the NF it is safe to say that he is only utilizing some tactics and in fact is still a member of the Far Right Spectrum.  Yes he does not name the jew NOW, but given his past when he has broken thru he may name the jew in the future!!!

I think we are in the Brezhnev era of liberalism. It might be another 10 or 20 years, but however long it takes, collapse is coming

Yes that is the general vibe of the ‘spirit of the age’ however I think we are more at the ‘Gorbachev selected during 1985 crisis stage’.  Americans can look at Obama as our Gorbachev, slowly presiding over the eventual collapse that is probably going to occur within a decade…

TOMORROW BELONGS TO ME!

Posted by ATBOTL on Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:52 | #

Just mentally pronounce it “At Bottle.”

Posted by Dasein on Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:55 | #

I thought your pen name was based on an acronym of a somewhat common phrase: at the bottom of the list.  But I see by a google search that there are only 2 pages of search results, almost all of which appear to be from posts you made, so that’s apparently not a common acronym.  I guess as long as it means something to you, stick with it!

Posted by Dasein on Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:59 | #

That BNP party plank on immigration is a dream come true.

Truer words were never typed.  How much more could one expect?  It’s a morale boost to see that even now, this early in the coming racial meltdown, that a completely sane, normal, healthy, positive, intellligent policy has been formulated by a political party.

Posted by Dasein on Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:13 | #

I’ll add that there are elements of the repatriation of racial aliens that may need to be updated.  But as a first step, in 2009, it’s about as good as could have been hoped for.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:28 | #

“a completely sane, normal, healthy, positive, intellligent policy has been formulated by a political party.”  (—Dasein)

And, let’s empasize, a perfectly humane policy!

Posted by nameless on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:04 | #

Britain is a democracy and the people of Britain voted for mass immigration. If they wanted it stopped they would already have elected the BNP, but they didn’t, so too bad.

Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:52 | #

Britain is certainly not a democracy. It is, in fact, an ochlocracy.

Posted by Wandrin on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:35 | #

Britain is a democracy and the people of Britain voted for mass immigration. If they wanted it stopped they would already have elected the BNP, but they didn’t, so too bad.

Hopefully there are enough British people now who have seen with their own eyes the vast amount of harm done by mass immigration and they will elect the BNP in the near future (fingers crossed) and they will stop immigration completely and for good.

Posted by Bill on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:46 | #

From an article here.  http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/

An interesting question.

...“On that basis, if the established political classes are going successfully to take on the BNP – with the willing assistance of the BBC – then they are going to have to do more and better than sneer and denigrate their members. They are going to have to confront the issues raised by this party, tackle them head on and answer voters’ concerns.”

So how are the establishment going to deal with rise and rise of the BNP?

We all know the BBC are worth potentially millions of votes for the BNP.  Once the racist fear-factor is cast off by the long suffering British people, the dam of discussion on race will be breached.  I cannot believe the political class are so stupid as to continue their vilification of the BNP, surely they can see that the BNP is code for British citizens that constitute the left’s mantra of ‘hard working families,’  IOW, ordinary decent people.

617 Squadron in the form of the MEP election has set out on it’s mission, the dam of discussion on immigration and race is in for a pasting.  What then?

If the oft quoted predictions come true and the BNP do well in the election, then I think not only the dam of race will be breached but also the dam of fear that has prevented the ordinary folk of this country from voting for the BNP.  This could be the start of the tipping point.

What has to be made clear to ordinary people (those who don’t come here on the Internet) that their elites have declared war on them with mass third world immigration and their future well being is in dire peril.  Who can do this?  Only the BNP.

During this election, the BNP hierarchy, for the first time will come into real public prominence, despite what the MSM throw at them, and as we have said so often before, the more the media and politicians berate the BNP, the more people will be cattle prodded into the BNP camp. What delicious irony!

Another thing, (for later.)  At some point in the not too distant future, the elites will expect the security forces (military and police) to up the anti with violence, maybe even issue orders to shoot the the parents of ‘hard working families.’  Although I have read where hard hitting foreign rapid response teams will be brought in to do the job, but even so, what will our homegrown law enforcers be prepared to do in order to pay the mortgage?

How can the political class square the circle?

Interesting times.

Posted by Josef Vicelwitz on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:57 | #

Of course, that doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile thinking about what the ideal end-state is.

Oh that is easy!  I am working towards fulfillment of The Western Imperium. 

“This Destiny does not tire, nor can it be broken, and its mantle of strength descends upon those in its service.”—Francis Parker Yockey

Although I am technically against Nationalism, I view it as an important ally in the breaking up of Zionist Unit Powers to pave way for the Fulfillment.  Eventually Nationalism will give to Greater Forms (similar to how Marxists believe The State will eventually ‘wither away’)

Britain is a democracy and the people of Britain voted for mass immigration. If they wanted it stopped they would already have elected the BNP, but they didn’t, so too bad.

And the people of Britain can also Vote to put in the BNP TODAY and send the immigrants home! 

Remember Hitler was elected in a democratic election as well!!! 

WE CAN WIN!  The current socio-political situation is not static as the above poster would like to have us believe!  Liberalism/ Leftism in all its variants is dying during this economic collapse and the Far Right is now on the march.  To quote Mussolini - “Forward!”

Another thing, (for later.) At some point in the not too distant future, the elites will expect the security forces (military and police) to up the anti with violence, maybe even issue orders to shoot the the parents of ‘hard working families.’ Although I have read where hard hitting foreign rapid response teams will be brought in to do the job, but even so, what will our homegrown law enforcers be prepared to do in order to pay the mortgage?

How can the political class square the circle?

Not sure about the situation across the pond, but over here the government recently made an announcement about ‘right wing extremists’ and one of the things they are worried about is Iraq War Veterans joining Rightist Elements. 

Can you say Freikorps 2010!!!  Freikorps 2010 will be utilized as a neo-Storm Trooper Security Force in the coming days and may be placed into mixed units as Elite para-militarist special forces along-side civilian militia-men and street-fighting Skin-heads. 

This is where it is headed as soldiers return home to find their towns filled with illegal immigrant mexicans who have taken all their jobs to boot!  The zionists are scared!

Posted by Armor on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:46 | #

Britain is certainly not a democracy. It is, in fact, an ochlocracy. (—Al Ross)

ochlocracy = mob rule, government by the rabble

In fact, there would be no race-replacement problem if common people had their say in government matters. So, the problem is not ochlocracy.

Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:03 | #

The problem is that, thanks to Labour’s political camouflage of faux-concern for the gullible lower classes (many of whom would not qualify as voters in a property-owning, Jeffersonian-style, limited democracy)  mob-rule does, in fact, obtain through representation by Gordon Brown and his cohorts.

Posted by Armor on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:26 | #

Britain is a democracy and the people of Britain voted for mass immigration. If they wanted it stopped they would already have elected the BNP, but they didn’t, so too bad. (—Nameless)

It would make a good start for another snappy refutations thread.

Most people in Britain and in the West want immigration stopped, and have never voted for mass immigration. However, they do vote for the wrong politicians. I think it will end up in civil war. Then we’ll be able to say: if Westerners had been against civil war, they would have voted against immigration!

There is certainly a lack of coherence if people’s behavior. It is indicative of government pressure and brainwashing. Public opinion is not allowed to take shape through free public debate. Theoretically, public opinion should determine government policy. Instead, political activism from the media tries to shape public opinion and government policy.

A few arguments :
How come Western governments never explicitly promise race-replacement if that is what the voters want?
How come anti-free speech and pro-immigration organizations are mainly led by Jews?
How come no one in the West was in favor of race-replacement until a few decades ago?
Why is there so much indoctrination from the media if people like Nameless think it has no effect in people’s minds?

Posted by John on Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:13 | #

Britain is certainly not a democracy. It is, in fact, an ochlocracy. (—Al Ross)

A minimum requirement for calling a government ochlocratic would be for the “ochlos” to collectively own the press and the financial system. The system in Western countries is more properly called an oligarchy by proxy through Stockholm Syndrome-like mind control of the mAsses.

Posted by Wandrin on Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:37 | #

@Bill

So how are the establishment going to deal with rise and rise of the BNP?

Interesting question. Their position has already moved a bit:

Position 1) denigrate the BNP while saying immigration was 100% wonderful.
Position 2) denigrate the BNP while saying immigration is 90% wondeful, admitting there has been some problems and pretending they’ll do something about it.
Position 3) ?

I think they’ll carry on with position (2) for the time being. The media attacks on the BNP will get more shrill and extreme as we get closer to June and it will have an impact. If it successfully stops a BNP success in the Euro elections then they’ll carry on with (2). I think they’ll only start considering position (3) if the BNP do well in June.

What might position (3) be?

We all know the BBC are worth potentially millions of votes for the BNP.

I think this is double-edged.

There’s no doubt that MSM demonizing of the BNP works in the short-term because it makes switching to the BNP a much bigger psychological step. On the other hand if a person shifts to the BNP despite the big psychological barrier then I think it makes the decision stronger and more decisive. So in the short term the media demonizing means less activists and voters but more dedicated ones. In the long term having the most dedicated activists, as long as you can get past critical mass, means you win. I think the MSM will bring the demonizing strategy to a crescendo in the run up to the Euro elections.

If, despite this, the BNP win an MEP then I think the strategy will change. A first step might be to give the BNP more airtime in the hope they mess it up and harm themselves. This is a very risky strategy given whose side the truth is on, but it might work given the lack of media training the BNP people will have. If the media give this a try (50/50) and it works then they’ll stick with it but otherwise I think they’ll move to a strategy of giving the BNP no publicity at all. Media blackout.

Even if the demonizing strategy does work this time, eventually it will start to get counter-productive. Sooner or later people will become immune to the constant attacks and once they’re immune they’ll start getting annoyed by it. The end result will be more BNP support. I don’t think we’re at that point yet but I think the MSM may well switch to the silent treatment some time this year even if the demonizing strategy works at the Euros.

So I think the most likely option is that position (3) will be as much of a media blackout as they can manage.

Regardless of what the media does I think the strategy for parties like the BNP should be the same. To minimize putting mainstream voters off they need to stay as close to the acceptable mainstream as they can while always remaining just too far away from it to be acceptable. They need to find that sweet spot in the no-man’s land between the ruling class and the citizens and dig in. Once dug in they should never move closer to the middle - reality is on their side so the middle will move to them eventually and if it does they should either stay put or move a little further to the right.

I can see one indirect way the media demonization could damage the BNP and that is they become too middle-class as they try to move away from the skinhead image. One of the big weaknesses of the modern Labour party is they are no longer connected to their traditional voters - if parties like the BNP make sure they have a mixture of working class and middle class representatives that will give them an edge in the poorer areas. A mixture of both is better than all middle class or all working class.

What has to be made clear to ordinary people (those who don’t come here on the Internet) that their elites have declared war on them with mass third world immigration and their future well being is in dire peril.

Quite so. It’s literally a matter of life and death.

At some point in the not too distant future, the elites will expect the security forces (military and police) to up the anti with violence

In Europe I think the plan is/was/will be to create Europe-wide security forces without national loyalties. They could then use these forces to herd us into the gulag if it became neccessary. I think the idea is/was/will be to recruit the bulk of those forces from minority ethnic groups. The problem with that plan is that in Europe now this would mean arming muslims, who are just as, if not more, likely to use those weapons to create their caliphate. Personally I don’t think the enemy foresaw this fatal problem because they were blinded by their paranoia towards White people.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:51 | #

Extracts from speeches by leaders of the future:-

Position 3 ... the legislative approach, in response to a growing racial polarisation:-

“I have to tell the leaders of the British National Party that we reject their vision of racism and hatred.  We will not let them take us back to the dark times, and destroy all the hope we have for a better world.  That would be a betrayal of our long tradition of openness and decency and everything that is fine about this country.  Our society is worth defending and I promise you we will defend it.  Wherever racism and hatred raise their head and whatever it takes, they will be confronted and defeated.

“That is why we are bringing before Parliament emergency legislation to toughen up laws on racial hatred and descrimination.  There will be a new offence of Political Discrimination, whereby no political party will be able to represent only one ethnicity in society.  Parties which present politicies likely to polarise society along ethnic lines, or which refuse to operate a policy of multi-ethnicism in membership admission, will be closed down.  It’s as simple as that.”

Position 4 ... the security approach, in response to an “event” (which some say was itself a security response to ever-widening polarisation and the threat it contains to the democratic legitimacy of government):-

“Because of the terrible events in London last night, which have filled our television screens and shocked all right-thinking people so much, I have today, in my capacity as Home Secretary, signed the orders to enable the provisions of the Civil Contingencies Act of 2007 to come into force. The relevant heads of government departments and the security services will now proceed in the work of making our national life peaceful and secure.

“I ask you all to cooperate with the police and your local government officials as they go about returning the country to stability.  I ask you to be patient.  It will take some time.  We shall rebuild the Mother of Paliaments.  A new democratic life for our people will arise out of the rubble of the old.  As soon as we can we shall reinstate full electoral rights.  Over the ensuing days the representatives I will appoint to you will be made known and will commence the work of transition to democracy again.”

Posted by Wandrin on Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:34 | #

Guessedworker,

Your position (3) and (4) are my (4) and (5). I think there’ll be a lot of inner city trouble if the economy carries on collapsing and I think it’s very likely something like that would be used as an excuse by a Labour government to try and crush the BNP. However, i’m hoping the major trouble doesn’t happen until after the next election, that the Conservatives win that election, and that the dire economic situation makes the Conservative government unpopular quite quickly. If that happens and the BNP are splitting a resurgent Left vote then the Conservatives might only pay lip service to attacking the BNP.

Posted by Armor on Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:08 | #

Instead, the party hierarchy (for which read Nick Griffin) seems to be relying in an Inevitablist fashion on the people freeing themselves. (—Guessedworker)

Western Voices has an article by Sam G. Dickson on a similar question.
Salus Populi Lex Suprema
(based on a talk given at The Occidental Quarterly Editor’s Dinner on July 26, 2008)

Excerpt :

Imagine that by some fluke a libertarian like Ron Paul were elected president. Imagine that he really could bring American troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan, block the drive for war with Iran, and end Israel’s ability to loot our treasury and control our foreign policy.

Private money and private media power would immediately be used to thwart his policies. He would be lucky to avoid impeachment or as­sassination. And, as a libertarian, his own principles would prevent him from doing anything about it. After all, his enemies have freedom of speech and the right to use their money however they wish.

Another excerpt :

I am not a statist. I don’t like the idea of government power. I’m a typical Anglo-Saxon Whig. I’d rather live on a farm and not have to see anybody else, not even the smoke from my neighbor’s chim­ney.

But as a realistic person I know that it can’t be that way. And, as un­pleasant as it may be, in the kind of desperate life-or-death emergency our people are going to face some time in the next two generations, very firm action will be necessary if we are to survive. This will include state coercion on a scale that will make many in our movement un­happy. But the alternative will not just be military defeat, as with the South, but extinction. To stave off that day, we must learn to evaluate and apply all abstract principles by reference to the supreme principle of collective survival and flourishing.

Posted by Bill on Sat, 02 May 2009 09:49 | #

Not sure if this is the right place.

I’ve been over at the Guardian’s CIF a bit more than usual lately, although I’m a regular visitor there.  Many moons ago I got banned and have not since been inclined to rejoin the fray.

Something has happened over at CIF, maybe something profound, I dunno.  As GW has remarked (somewhere) the quality of comment seems to have plummeted.  Sometimes I could swear I am reading the BNP website comments - such is the transformation.  Maybe the heavy hitters have tactically withdrawn in disgust or something.

We have always said, once they’ve winged their last remaining racist arrow - their locker is empty.  The more cerebral keep repeating the question, describe what is an indigenous Englishman.  Maybe that’s one for the snappy refutations dept.

It’s definitely ‘Get Brown’ season in the MSM tabloids, not so long ago it was ‘Get Blair’ things don’t change much.  Even Polly Toynbee seems to have given up on Brown, well, for today maybe.  I suppose what I’m trying to say is, the Guardian look as though they have given up the ghost.  Let’s hope so anyway.

An aside, Danial Hannan received some rough treatment on a recent blog of his.  He was accused of being cool with the genocide of the English taking place.  He and others should be challenged more on this, and rightly so.  In fact the whole bloody lot should be arrested for treason.

Posted by Golden State Party on Thu, 07 May 2009 20:46 | #

The American National Party (ANP) bases itself on the BNP and has just luanched an initiative in California called the Golden State Party:

http://americannationalparty.com/2009/05/02/anp-launches-golden-state-party-in-california/