Posted by Eugene Vectorist on Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:54 | #

http://www.vdare.com/girin/070122_race.htm

I have several questions about that essay.

Girin writes that “Jews are Semites and therefore White.”  The implication therefore is that: a) Jews should identify as white, and b) white gentiles should consider Jews as white.

But, aren’t Arabs Semites as well?  So, aren’t they “therefore White” and thus, we all - including Auster and Girin - should embrace Arabs?

Should we then go by the US Census and include North Africans as well as Middle Easterners in the white category?  Should we then go by FBI wanted posters and say that any person - including mestizos and Filipinos - not obviously predominantly African or East Asian are therefore white?

Can Girin clarify this?

He then, after telling us that Jews are Semites, then tells us that Jews are an ethnic group, a nationality.  Thus, what Girin is saying in his essay is that Jews are a non-European, Semitic ethnic group of Middle Eastern origin.

Most white “race realists” are concerned with people of European descent (or some fraction thereof).  Isn’t Girin then providing a rationale for exclusion of Jews?

If Girin then turns around and tries to appease race realists by denying his own assertion that Jews are Semites (the validity of which can only be answered by science, not by Girin’s essays), then he runs the risk of alienating his Zionist friends, who would demand continuity between the ancient Hebrews and modern Jews.

That’s a problem for The Inverted World crew: they want to classify Jews into two distinct (and, in a sense, mutually exclusive) categories at the same time, while ignoring whatever evidence exists to refute whatever classification is convenient at the moment.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:32 | #

First, I think the log entry is extremely well-worded.  Outstanding job by the blogger!

Second, in response to Eugene Vectorist’s comment:  it’s been clear for some time now that the Ashkenazi Jews by their own strong desire are undergoing an ethnoracial reversion to their original Semitic identity, in the course of which they are gradually but surely sloughing off, diluting, rejecting, as much Euro ethnoracial (including genetic) “baggage” acquired over two millennia sojourning in Europe as they can.  Since Israel’s rebirth they have felt the pull of their ancient identity and are striving to recover it.  They want only Jewishness, no Europeanness.  For them, Europe is one enormous two-thousand-year nightmare they want to get away from.  They want to become near-eastern Semites again, to reject all Europeanness in themselves, and that is what they will do to the extent possible.  Some will resist this transformation, out of love for the European part of their ethnoracial heritage and a wish to retain it for themselves and their Jewish posterity.  Whether or not they’ll be able to is open to question.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:39 | #

It’s also the case that the peoples of the Levant have been mixed Semitic-Euro since remote antiquity, such that for all we know, ancient Jews were already racially part Euro.  In fact, they almost certainly were.  This is the reason it’s not true that Jesus Christ necessarily looked Jewish.  He might very well have looked more like the popular traditional portrayal of him, with a nordic-looking face and long flowing light-brown hair, than like a very Jewish-looking person such as David Frum for example.

Posted by Vectorial Girin on Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:28 | #

“It’s also the case that the peoples of the Levant have been mixed Semitic-Euro since remote antiquity, such that for all we know, ancient Jews were already racially part Euro.  In fact, they almost certainly were.”

How do you know this?  Evidence?

Posted by Matra on Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:37 | #

I noticed Auster saying, again, the other day that Israel is a Western society. I was going to write to him and ask him if he also considered Maronite Christian parts of Lebanon to be Western. I don’t know if he’s ever given his definition of “Western” or “white” but the inclusion of Israel implies that culture is the basis for his definition. But then wouldn’t Maronites also be Western if culture is only thing that matters?

Also, even if one stretches the definition of Western to include Israeli Ashkenazi Jews, due to centuries in the diaspora, surely no one, even those who believe culture is most important, can possibly include the significant Sephardic Jewish community in Israel as Westerners as they’ve always lived outside Europe. I don’t know off hand the demographics of Israel but I strongly suspect that Ashkenazi Jews are a minority of the overall population.

I don’t see any way in which one can classify Israel as a Western society.

Posted by Larry Austerity on Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:35 | #

Matra, now Auster is seemingly excited about the prospect of Israel in NATO.  And why not the EU, if Israel is a “western” nation?

The biological component of “westerness” with respect to Jews can be determined through current and future genetic testing.  With respect to the cultural aspects that Auster emphasizes to the exclusion of the biological, here are excerpts from the book “Imperium”, written by hyper-culturalist Francis Parker Yockey, who himself mistakenly ignored the importance of biology:

“The most tragic example of Culture-parasitism for the “West has been the presence of a part of a nation from the Arabian
Culture scattered through the entire body of the West. We have already seen the entirely different content of the nation-idea in that other Culture — nations there were State, Church, and People all in one. The idea of a territorial home was unknown. Home was wherever the believers were. Belonger and believer were interchangeable ideas. This Culture had attained to its Late Civilization phase while our Gothic West was barely emerging from the primitive.

Into the tiny hamlets — there were no cities — of the awakening West, these finished cosmopolitans built their ghettos. Money-thinking, which seemed evil to the deeply religious West, was the forte of this highly civilized alien people. Interest-taking was forbidden by the Church to Christians, and this conferred a monopoly of money on the strangers. The Judengasse was a millennium ahead in Cultural development of its surroundings.

The legend of the Wandering Jew arose at this time, expressing the feeling of uncanniness that the Westerner felt in the presence of this landless stranger who was everywhere at home, although it seemed to the West that he was nowhere at home. The West understood as little of his Torah, Mishnah, Talmud, Kabbalism, and Yesirah, as he of its Christianity and Scholastic philosophy. This mutual inability to understand generated feelings of alienness, fear and hatred.

The hatred of the Westerner for the Jew was of religious motivation, not racial. The Jew was the heathen, and with his civilized and intellecrualized life, he seemed Mephistophelean, Satanic to the Westerner. The chronicles of the time record the horrors which the contact of these two utterly alien groups begot. Jews were massacred in London on the day of coronation of Richard I in 1189. The next year 500 Jews were besieged in York castle by a mob, and to avoid its fury, resorted to cutting each other’s throats. King John had Jews imprisoned, their eyes or teeth plucked out, and hundreds butchered in 1204. When a Jew in London forced a Christian to pay him more than 2 shillings a week on a loan of 20 shillings, mob action killed 700 Jews. Crusaders, for centuries, massacred whole Jewish populations of towns, when they stopped on their way to the wars in Asia Minor. In 1278, 267 Jews were hanged in London, accused of clipping coins. The outbreak, in 1348, of the Black Death, was attributed to the Jews, and massacres were the result all over Europe. For 370 years, the Jews were banished from England, until readmitted by Cromwell.

Although the motivation of these excesses was not racial, it was race-creating. What did not destroy the Jews made them stronger, and separated them further than ever from the host-peoples, physically and spiritually.

During the centuries of our Western history, the problems and developments which roused fundamental excitement in the West did not touch the problemless Jew, whose inner life had passed into fixity with the completion of the Culture which created this Jewish Church-State-People-Nation. Empty for him were the conflict of Empire and Papacy, the Reformation, the Age of Discovery. He looked upon them purely as a spectator. His only question was what they might mean to him. The idea of his taking part in them, or making sacrifices for one side or another, never came up. The British in India looked upon disturbances among the indigenous populations with the same eye.

In his ghettoes distributed over Europe, all was uniform: the food-prohibitions, the Talmudic dualistic ethics, one for the goyim and another for the Jew, the legal system, the runes, the phylacteries, the ritual, the feeling. His Sufism, his Hasidim sect, his Kabbalism, his religious leaders like Baal Shem, his Zaddikism, are equally unintelligible to Westerners. Not only unintelligible, but uninteresting. The Westerner was absorbed in the intense conflicts of his own Culture, and did not observe, except in relation to himself, the life of the Jew in his midst.

Not until the externalized, fact-sensitive 20th century, did the Western Culture notice the Jew as a Cultural phenomenon. In Gothic times, until the Reformation, it saw him as a heathen and usurer, in the Counter-Reformation as a shrewd businessman, in the Enlightenment as a civilized man of the world, in the Age of Rationalism as a fighter in the van of intellectual liberation from the bonds of the Culture and its traditions.

The 20th century saw for the first time that he had his own public life, his own world down to the details. It realized that the comprehensiveness of his outlook was the equivalent of its own in breadth and depth, and therefore alien in a total sense which was never before suspected. In its previous centuries, the viewpoint of the West toward the Jew was limited by its stage of development at the time, but with the 20th century and its universal outlook, the entirety of what has been called “the Jewish problem” is seen for the first time. Not race, not religion, not ethics, not nationality, not political allegiance — but something which includes them all, separates the Jew from the West — Culture.

Culture embraces the totality of world-outlook: science, art, philosophy, religion, technics, economics, erotic, law, society, politics.

In every branch of the Western Culture, the Jew has developed his own taste and preference, and when he intervenes in the public life of the Western peoples, he conducts himself in a distinct fashion, namely in the style of the public life of the Jewish Church-State-Nation-People-Race. This public life was invisible to the inward West until the 20th century.

Like all nations at the end of their Civilization, e.g., Hindus, Chinese, Arabs, the Jewish nation passed into a caste system. The Brahmins in India, the Mandarins in China, the Rabbinate in Jewry, are three corresponding phenomena. The Rabbinate were the custodians of the Destiny of the Jewish unity. When freethinkers appeared among the Jews, it was the duty of the local Rabbinate to prevent a schism. In the case of Uriel da Costa, a freethinking Jew of Amsterdam, the local Synagogue had him imprisoned, and subjected him to such persecution that he finally took his own life. Spinoza was excommunicated by the same Synagogue, and an unsuccessful attempt was made on his life. Large bribes were offered him to return to Judaism, and when he refused he was cursed and pronounced anathema. In 1799, the Hasidim leader in Eastern Jewry, Senior Salman, was handed over by the Rabbinate to the Romanov Government after a trial by his own people, much as the Western Inquisition turned over convicted heretics to the State for disposal.

The contemporary West did not even see these phenomena, and would not have understood them if it had. It looked at everything Jewish with its own preconceptions, just as the Jews looked at the West in terms of its advanced outlook.

The Parsee in India is another fragment of the Arabian Culture strewn abroad among aliens. The Parsee possessed vis-a-vis his human surroundings the same superior business acumen as the Jew in the early West. His inner life was entirely apart from the aliens around him. His interests were different in every way. In the disturbances and revolts during the centuries of the British Raj, the Parsee took no part.

In the same way, the Thirty Years’ War, the Succession Wars, the conflict of Bourbon and Hapsburg, did not in any way touch the Jew. Difference of Culture-phase creates complete spiritual insulation. The attitude of the Jew toward Western
tensions was that of Pilate at the trial of Jesus. To Pilate the religious issue there involved was utterly hidden — he belonged to a Civilization in its last phase, a thousand years away from the religious excitement of his own Culture.

With the stirrings of Rationalism in the West, however, a caesura is marked in the collective life of that part of Jewry cut off in the Western Culture.

[snip]...In its new outburst of generosity and forgiveness, the West renounced its old feelings, but the Jew was unable to reciprocate. Eight hundred years of resentment were not to be removed by a New Year’s Resolution on the part of the alien West.

[snip]...His position as the outsider forced him to act secretly, and the secret societies of the Illuminati and its offspring were his creations, as their Kabbalistic terminology and ritualistic equipment show. More than two thirds of the Estates-General which paved the way to the French Revolution in 1789 consisted of members of these secret societies, committed to undermine the authority of the State and introduce the idea of Democracy. The Jew responded to the invitation of the West to participate in his public life, but it was impossible for him to lose his identity overnight, and so he had from now on two public lives, one before the West and one before his own Nation-State-People-Church-Race.

[snip]...Hatred or intolerance in no wise explains the numerous unfortunate results attendant upon the Jewish dispersion through the Western nations. The hatred on both sides was a mere result. The more tolerance was talked about, the more attention was focused onto the differences, sharpening them into contrasts. The contrasts led to opposition and action, either covert or open, on both sides.

Nor is it an explanation to blame the Jew for failing to assimilate. This is blaming a man for being himself, and the notion of ethics does not extend to what one is, but only to what one does. The “Jewish problem” is not to be explained ethically, racially, nationally, religiously, socially — but only totally, culturally. From having seen at each phase only that aspect of the Jew which his own development permitted him to, Western man now sees the whole relationship, for his own Cultural unity is uppermost in Western man. In Gothic times, he saw the Jew as different only in religion, because the West was then in a religious phase. In the Enlightenment with its ideas of “humanity,” the Jew was seen merely to be socially different. In the materialistic 19th century with its vertical racism, the Jew was regarded as merely racially different. In this century, with the West passing into a unit of Culture, nation, race, society, economics, State, the Jew appears clearly in his own total unity, a complete inner stranger to the soul of the West.”

Posted by chagrined brute on Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:47 | #

Let me comment here, although the comment will be swiftly lost under a barrage of moronic “wholesale” posts.

I’d like to direct attention to the following comment by Mr. Girin in his latest VDARE essay:
“White nationalists like Duke are really no nationalists at all – they are obsessed and delusional individuals who discredit and shame sane and acceptable White racial realism.”

Now, I’m no supporter of Duke or any other of the current WN “leadership”, but I do object to a person like Mr. Girin setting the boundaries for what is or is not “sane and acceptable White racial realism.”

We see the same hubris at “The Inverted World” in which “The Realist” informs us that Duke is “insane.”

If so, why can’t fellows like Girin actually refute Duke’s assertions, instead of just dismissing what he says as a crazy “diatribe”, and mocking Duke’s PhD in history, by “Dr.”

By his own self-description, Girin is a Semitic immigrant; I’m not sure where has has the moral authority to judge what is or is not acceptable “race realism” has practiced by Euro-Americans.

Posted by Johan Van Vlaams on Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:00 | #

About the South African Resistant TB Epidemic,
this will be very difficult to contain, because the SA health infrastructure is breaking down, because competent white personnel is not welcome any more (affirmative action). The SA government even considered to “import” doctors and nurses from CUBA. As long as they are not white, it’s ok for them.

And South Africa receives each year approximately one million illegal immigrants from the rest of Africa.

Can anybody imagine what kind of a (political correct) mess it is over there?

Posted by Vectorist on Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:17 | #

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3354138,00.html

This will be more ammunition in the arsenal of those who claim that “Jewish converts” cannot be trusted, and that only those “who have the blood” are members of the nation.

Posted by Arcane Brute on Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:48 | #

Speaking of vectorists and their supporters, what can we make of the following comment left on “The Inverted World?”

“Irish!

How pleasant it is to see another pro-Jewish white nationalist who supports the War on Terror! Thank you!

By Arcane on 1/24/07 at 2:19 am”

We know that Arcane is “pro-Jewish” and we know that he supports the “War on Terror” but - “white nationalist?”  Arcane?

Did we miss something, some conversion on the road to Damascus?

Last we looked, Arcane was anti-WN.

Not that I believe anything he says.

Posted by Robert ap Richard on Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:17 | #

Jews are not White.  It’s very simple.  Every time they level the charge of “anti-Semitism!” (racism against Jews) against a White person, they prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Posted by onetwothree on Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:33 | #

Offtopic. Worth looking at before it disappears forever:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr;=&q=African+Ingenuity&btnG=Search

Check out the “Did you mean?”

Posted by No-Prize on Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:23 | #

In the grand tradition of Marvel Comics, a “no-prize” will be awarded to the first person who spots the fundamental error in Razib’s explanation of “linkage disequilibrium.”

Posted by No-Prize, Jr. on Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:07 | #

Hopefully this will work, sans inter-racial porn:

http://www.anonym.to/?http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2007/01/basic_concepts_linkage_disequi.php

If no one gets the answer by tomorrow morning, I’ll give a hint.  But, it is possible Razib may have corrected it by then, so it is advised to study the diagrams and texts as they appear right now.

Posted by No Prize Winner on Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:32 | #

“RPM” commenting on Razib’s own blog wrote:

“You’re conflating sister chromatids and homologous chromosomes”

RPM had other harsh criticisms, but the above was what I was aiming out, something dealing with the very basics of biology, which Razib obviously does not understand.

But - that kid is the Popper of the 21st century, a Popperian genuis, I tell ya!

Posted by LOL Razib on Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:49 | #

Razib:

“i think the key is to keep in mind the physical image first, and then move outward. but no, i don’t think there’s any way to be succinct with this because it presupposes a particular abstract (mendel’s laws) & biophysical (chromosomes & DNA) understanding of basic genetics.”

Well, his “physical image” is dead wrong, nothing he writes is ever “succinct”, and his “understanding of basic genetics” leaves much to be desired.

Other than that, he is A-OK.

Posted by Billy Joe Daniels on Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:02 | #

Here is an article published in January 2006 which may have been chewed on already on MajorityRights.com, but still interesting. It appears to tie certain personality types to an artificially dominant role either by psychological techniques or by parasitical influences. Apologies if this has been recently discussed.

http://ponerology.blogspot.com/2006/01/return-of-puppet-masters-ponerological.html

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“Let’s look at what Lobaczewski says about the “special talents” of the psychopath: In spite of their deficiencies as regards normal psychological and moral knowledge, they develop and then have at their disposal a knowledge of their own, something lacked by people with a natural worldview.

They learn to recognize each other in a crowd as early as childhood, and they develop an awareness of the existence of other individuals similar to them.

They also become conscious of being different from the world of those other people surrounding them. They view us from a certain distance….

Natural human reactions - which often fail to elicit interest because they are considered self-evident - strike psychopaths as strange and therefore interesting, even comical. They therefore observe us, deriving conclusions, forming their different world of concepts.

They become experts in our weaknesses and sometimes effect heartless experiments upon us….Neither a normal person nor our natural worldview can perceive or properly evaluate the existence of this world of different concepts….

Our first contact [with the psychopath] is characterized by a talkative stream which flows with ease and avoids truly important matters with equal ease if they are uncomfortable for the talker. His train of thought also avoids those matters of human feelings and values whose representation is absent in the psychopathic world view….

The world of normal people whom they hurt is incomprehensible and hostile to them….Life to [the psychopath] is the pursuit of its immediate attractions, pleasure and power. They meet with failure along this road, along with force and condemnation from the society of those other incomprehensible people….

When the human mind comes into contact with this new reality so different from any experiences encountered by a person raised in a society dominated by normal people, it releases psychophysiological shock symptoms in the human brain with a higher tonus of cortex inhibition and a stifling of feelings, which then sometimes gush forth uncontrollably.

Human minds work more slowly and less keenly because the associative mechanisms have become inefficient. Especially when a person has direct contact with [a psychopath], who use their specific experience so as to traumatize the minds of the “others” with their own personalities, his mind succumbs to a state of short-term catatonia.

The [psychopath’s] humiliating and arrogant techniques, brutal paramoralizations, and so forth deaden [the human’s] thought processes and his self-defense capabilities, and their divergent experiential method anchors in his mind….

Only once these unbelievably unpleasant psychological states have passed, thanks to rest in benevolent company, is it possible to reflect, always a difficult and painful process, or to become aware that one’s mind and common sense have been fooled by something which cannot fit into the normal human imagination….

Well, what if this is not entirely psychological?  What if certain behaviors trigger the evolutionary survival mechanism that is part of the older structures of the brain?  What if this paralysis, this catatonia is similar to the “freezing” of the mouse when it encounters the cat?  What if this is our “sign,” our warning that we are dealing with a psychopath….

If a person with a normal instinctive substratum and basic intelligence has already heard and read about such a system of ruthless autocratic rule “based on a fanatical ideology,” he feels he has already formed an opinion on the subject.

However, direct confrontation with the phenomenon causes him to feel intellectually helpless. All his prior imaginings prove to be virtually useless; they explain next to nothing. This provokes a nagging sensation that he and the society in which he was educated were quite naive.”

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And of course the next step in this process is for humans to blame the victims of these infectious parasitic psychopaths.