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The best they’ve got The pay-wall at the Daily Telegraph has been oddly ineffective at gating off journalistic output, and the site continues to witness a relentless growth in truth-speaking. Likewise, the cowardly closing of the comment facility of recent “diversity news” stories has not helped the DT editors. The commenting heat has just been turned up on other articles, sometimes with little or no substantive connection to The Great Issue. Clear your cookies if necessary and browse through the comments here. Then have a look at them here, on a thread of an article to the most censored of recent DT subject matter. The DT editors cannot win. The flood-tide cannot be held back. Personally, I am still devoting an inordinate amount of time to work on the DT threads, employing a variety of user-names to confuse the enemy. They, meanwhile, are still putting up a very poor show, and have not thought of a means by which they may respond to our questions. Generally, they avoid prolonged confrontation. Even obviously convinced anti-racists skip away once their initial smear-tactic has been challenged - they’ve learned not to hang around while their moral worth is investigated. It is clear now that the most tenacious and (self-evidently) committed anti-white commenters are those with non-white family members. Their very defensive worldview is that genetic change to our people now is just the same as genetic change in the ancient world. Wherever the Roman legions went, or Angles, Saxons and Normans, modern Africa and Asia may go likewise. In essence, our people don’t exist except as a capacious bag into which any gene from anywhere can be stuffed without implications for who and what we are. There is nothing to defend. Yesterday, for example, I was informed here that:
In response I put up a couple of links to gene studies of the British population and said this:
That worked, and the next response from my interlocutor was accusatory and weak. But I don’t feel that I have a wholly adequate response to his challenge at this point. The claim the miscegenator can make is brief and pithy. It’s the best they can come up with. While it suffices for the immediate purposes of the contest, my response drags in a mixture of hardly memorable things, including history, genetics, politics and moral philosophy. As ever, it is tough to disprove a negative. Suggestions for improvement would be welcome. Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 02 Oct 2013 22:06 | # On the contrary, one of the very few means we possess to talk to thousands of people is through the comment threads of the national newspapers. We win every exchange. That is seen. What we have to say will be taken up by others, and they will communicate it to still others. The war of discourse is going OK. In the absence of politics it’s the best strategy we’ve got. 3
Posted by Dude on Wed, 02 Oct 2013 22:30 | # The reason they were successful is due to small number and high similarity. Phenotype is a good indicator of genotype. Within a generation, small numbers of Celts, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Normans became English. There was no instinctive search for the quadroon, they were us and we are them. That’s not something you can say about about a Pakistani Muslim. 4
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 02 Oct 2013 23:35 | # Mill believed nationality encompassed an “identity of political antecedents…”
This is what the Celts, Angles, Saxons, Danes, and Normans share which others do not. 5
Posted by Maureen Martin on Thu, 03 Oct 2013 12:24 | # It will smack of “supremacism” but I don’t care. As Bob Whitaker says, “Everyone knows, Brown countries are Poor countries”. “Why would we want to Brown up OUR countries?” Or to be even MORE forceful,and discourage ANOTHER round of debate add instead as the second sentence, “We don’t want our countries Browned up!” 6
Posted by Morgoth on Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:24 | # I personally don’t like getting into genetics, it isn’t my strong suit and it usually ends with swapping a load of links the readership won’t click on anyway. I find the best approach in those situations is to project into the future, not the past. The Celts, Angles, Saxons, Danes, and Normans are of course our kin but you can point out that they, like all whites, are being replaced. But the killer is to point out that, if whites are to become a minority in a country overrun with blacks and Asians it no longer matters how we define ourselves but how they define us, and that, obviously, is an out group. The general situation at the DT is something to be proud of, we are getting our message out to 1000’s of people everyday and the commentary is getting further and further away from the Liberal narrative. If there is another MSM outlet that has the Anti Liberal slant that the DT does ‘‘under the line’’ I would like to see it. As we saw yesterday even the Jews are coming onto the threads and in my opinion, are the worst opposition we have, with me and GW being threatened with having our eyes gouged out and to be beaten to death by one exasperated member of the tribe. 7
Posted by Lurker on Fri, 04 Oct 2013 04:25 | #
I missed that one, link please mate. The genuine liberal types get themselves tied into knots but I suppose they are sincere. The jews are much easier to bait since they cant keep their story straight across more than two comments. I do think the political slant of a site and its comments are largely a function of moderation. Where moderation is reasonably light its a rout, where moderation is brutal its a liberal paradise. Somewhere on the DT today someone was actually questioning the level of CiF moderation, from our pov that sounds hilarious but he probably thinks it really is a wild accusation. If you are making nice liberal comments over at CiF inside their bubble the mass deletion and banning of comments probably doesnt impinge at all. I dont think they realise just how protected they are over there, must give them a distorted view of public opinion. Not saying we arent guilty of that trap too but not as dostorted as them. Ive rarely managed more than four or five comments at the Guardian before being shot down and they were inevitably dull, bland comments designed to survive moderation - a total waste of time it transpires. 8
Posted by cecil on Fri, 04 Oct 2013 04:45 | # When he says nationality is a river not a pond, just say the truth: ‘YOur not denying white Genocide, your justifying it.’
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Posted by Dude on Fri, 04 Oct 2013 09:13 | # The underlying assumption (nationality is a river) is that it is natural and therefore right that a population accepts genetic change. But the examples given above above are those of invasion. Would you find your underlying principle acceptable in an African context or an Asian one? In a modern state, the desires of the population are a key consideration and are consistently against. 10
Posted by Morgoth on Fri, 04 Oct 2013 10:24 | # @ Lurker This is the thread, after the meltdown and death/torture threats the thread was shut down and the Jewish gentleman banned but you can still get a sense of what was going on 4 pages from newest and then further in 11
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 04 Oct 2013 10:42 | # That thread has been efficiently gutted, I see. But Morgoth is right. Some doubty men and at least one lady took on a batch of aggressive Jews who offered very little nuanced debate, which is quite unusual. The Jews lost badly. One of them was unable to contain his desire for bloody physical retribution, and spilt it all over the page. There is some fun going on in this thread: 12
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 04 Oct 2013 11:00 | # And this one has the potential to go well off the DT’s preferred rails: 13
Posted by Maureen Martin on Fri, 04 Oct 2013 15:04 | # @cecil ‘YOur not denying white Genocide, your justifying it.’ YES! So much simpler than presenting facts and figures most won’t read. Make them explain why they are genociding us. 14
Posted by Ratboy on Sun, 06 Oct 2013 22:57 | # Celts, Angles, Saxons, Danes, and Normans. All the same race. Differing only ethnically. NOT what we have today. We have racial ALIENS infiltrating our lands which inevitably leads to racial ALIENS infiltrating our genes by virtue of close quarter contact and a generous helping of media support. Celts, Angles, Saxons, Danes, and Normans. Ethnic genocide is by no means equivalent to racial genocide. 15
Posted by ukn_leo on Mon, 07 Oct 2013 22:26 | # Hi all. Hope you are well. Have had problems posting on MR, my comments get taken by the spam filter. Lurker (Dalek), thanks for the backup/encouragement at the Telegraph. Will keep posting there as heremodangelcynn and oddball1776 - but lots of my comments disappear/get moderated. Keep fighting mein brooders. 16
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 07 Oct 2013 23:02 | # Leo, I have fixed that, I think. But I will watch out for a recurrence all the same. See you in the mud and smoke at the DT. 18
Posted by Lurker on Wed, 09 Oct 2013 05:56 | # Leo - didnt realise those two IDs were you mate. I was following both anyway just based on the content of the comments. Nice one! 19
Posted by Bill on Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:50 | # There’s some interesting blogging going down at the DT threads this Sunday morning. (13th October 2013) I won’t link them as they are easily accessible and self evident. My take on the general direction of comments is that the decades of the rising tide of immigration is becoming more noticeable by the day and is being vociferously commented on by the DT bloggerati. It is almost impossible to gauge whether this general feeling of belated realisation of impending doom (for the British-in their eyes) translates down to street level or is mostly confined to the blogosphere? All of which leads me to briefly summarise some collective thoughts since I set out on my quest (as I put it). I can recall most vividly a comment I lodged with the BBC (8? years ago, or more) when I commented at length to catalogue to a blaze’ BBC a long list of requirements of what the newly arrived in Britain would require simply to exist. Housing, money, schooling, health care, jobs, etc. plus the whole panoply of household requirements. I then went on to list the requirements needed for expanding infrastructure, particularly roads, reservoirs, sewage treatment plants etc. I was amazed at the inferred responses that all of these things didn’t seem to matter (which to me bordered on the insane.) The vision held by the advocates of mass immigration didn’t seem to go beyond simply their idea of a multicultural Britain. Well, Britain has arrived at the point where all the slack has been taken up and we are peak everything, all of those items I listed (and more) are reaching crisis proportions - and yet still the hordes keep coming. It beggars belief that the architects of this programme of mass immigration into all white lands didn’t see all this coming, maybe they did and simply didn’t care, after all, the plan from the beginning was destroy what is, and by that reckoning they’ve surpassed themselves. Britain is at the cusp of crisis with no solution, ( solution- what solution - there is no solution). How this coming period of tumult will manifest itself is anybodies guess, my own guess is it will be political and it will be not long in coming. 20
Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:11 | # Bill, It will play out as the ‘slummification’ of the whole of the UK, with a constant trend towards ever greater levels of genetic mixing, even should immigration be halted (as it will eventually be on purely carrying capacity grounds - but by then historic Britain will have been destroyed). I wish that I had written about this decades ago, because I did foresee all of this before the end of the 80s. My big mistake was in thinking that “conservatives” would eventually rally, and make ending the invasion their top priority. It wasn’t until the mid-90s that I came to understand the vast corruption of the Establishment Rights, and the racial cowardice of the Traditionalist Rights. Even so, I still thought that by 2010 we would have basically ended the invasions, and that from that point forward (at least in Europe) the debate would be about repatriation and discouraging intermarriage. I never understood how hopelessly PC-infected Europe had gotten (esp its “youth”, defined broadly as late Boomers, Gens X Y and millennials, going up to about 50 today). Hearing Britain described as a “multiracial society” still shocks me today. I can only imagine what old-timers must be thinking ... It’s White Zion or bust, people. 21
Posted by Bill on Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:44 | # Leon @ 20. A bit of a Sunday afternoon ramble. Interesting - your prescience way back in the ‘80’s. Those were the Thatcher years here in Britain and my only interest in world affairs at that time was Gorbachev’s deconstruction of the Soviet Union - which today’s conspiracists say was the synthesis to communism and capitalism. IOW’s what we have today. Before Gorbachev came on our screens, everyday knowledge of Russian life was zilch - nada. When British television started sending back reports from Russia I was taken aback by the seediness of the red’s way of life, I got to calling it slab-grey. Lifeless. No wonder thousands were fleeing to the West. Of course, immigration had been well established by that time here in Britain but not in any great numbers, even so, it was a grumbling appendix. Enoch Powell had come and gone, Mrs Thatcher referred to immigration as a flood, but nothing was ever done. Strange that, Iron Maggie doing nothing about immigration or curbing the long march. Typical that, there was no lack of verve when it came to the miners strike or the Argies down in the Falklands. During the whole of this time, ‘80’s - ‘90’s I hadn’t the slightest suspicion that such dastardly plans were afoot. They say ignorance is bliss! What was Reagan doing about the left? At least America had people like Pierce (to name but one) at street level telling it like it was, the equivalent here I suppose was the National Front but there were not many takers, anyway, my knowledge of them was scant. You say you were aware of the big picture during that time, in what ways did you become aware? Was there ever a noticeable great leap forward at street level or did one have to be pretty savvy to see what was going on? Knowing what I know now, Clinton seems to have been a major playah. Clinton was undoubtedly a major influence on the British left but some are saying it was vice-versa and it was/is Britain that was/is pulling America’s chain. That Britain and America are both in it together is self evident. I’ve always thought America in all things is a generation ahead of Britain, and so it wasn’t (for me) until 2004/5 that I began to smell the coffee, I instinctively felt that the EU and America was the place to start looking. Funny really, they give us the Internet, without which, we would still be groping in the dark. And yet here we are - both staring into the abyss. I cannot help thinking there is real evil ahead, because that is what it’s all about - Good vs Evil. It’s as simple as that. 22
Posted by Morgoth on Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:24 | # @ Lurker The Telegraph has up dated their disqus service so I can now in-cooperate various activites with one account, my previous bannings meant this got complicated. Anyway I’m now ‘‘following’’ you. I have to say its quite amusing being able to vote down the lefties and I’ve noted non PC comments receiving 100’s of up votes and not a single down vote. Also, more importantly, we can see what percentage of the public are voting for us and I have worked it out at around 70% of the votes coming in are from the public, so we aren’t just recommending each other ! 23
Posted by Lurker on Wed, 16 Oct 2013 05:00 | # Hi mate, yes your ‘following’ is noted! The DT had an unusual Disqus set-up, unlike any other one Ive seen but yes, they’ve moved to a more standard layout. At last we are free of the 25 comments per page restriction. The addition of the vote down option only seems to amplify the disparity between their votes and ours, as it should if its measuring anything real. In a day or two, as the DT regulars get the hang of it, we should see some of our favourite trolls displaying healthy numbers of negative numbers. I do vote for everyone I follow, as much as I can, anything to project our agenda. By getting in and winning early on we can deflect the thread away from integrationists, right liberals and pro-Israeli types etc Left/liberals OTOH are dead in the water at the DT anyway, no need to worry about their comments. 24
Posted by wobbly on Tue, 22 Oct 2013 00:25 | #
The last part of your comment does the trick imo.
What’s happening is not a natural process it is a deliberate policy of race-replacement aka stealth genocide.
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Posted by Morgoth on Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:32 | # I’ve been trying out a new 1-2 knock down of Liberals and Anti Racists that is a real hoot, its very simple. Ask the Anti White the following question : ‘‘Where would you rather your 18 year old daughter went back packing, Liberia or Iceland?’‘ Here is a response I just got ; ‘‘Wherever she would be safe from criminality - and it flourishes in every country in the world.’‘ Note the way they have to crowbar their universalism into the reply, they are forced to either show racial awareness for the sake of their children, and thus be ‘‘racist’’ or carry on in LaLa land. Either way they’re screwed and then you get to finish them, my reply was ; ‘‘I truly hope you don’t have children if your mind is so fried with Political Correctness you can’t see obvious dangers to them. You are up there with the most brainwashed imbecilic lunatics I have ever come across.’‘ Variations on this theme could be replacing a White Country with Japan, and obviously take your pick of non white shitholes no sane father would let his daughter go to. 26
Posted by CFE on Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:26 | # There seems to be a new broom at the DT, and the environment has been increasingly hostile in the last couple of days. After the DISQUS redesign I noticed that I was pre-banned on many threads, but just used another handle. They also started issuing temporary bans of a few hours, but I was never permanently banned as happened before the redesign. As of this morning I am finding it very difficult to get any comments at all onto relevant threads. Or is it just me? 27
Posted by CFE on Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:20 | # Very interesting thread here: I learned of it at Amren. I don’t think it made the DT front page for very long because I missed it on Monday, though perhaps I was on other threads. Getting a bit old now, but may be of interest to MR readers. Post a comment:
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Posted by Q on Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:50 | #
Don’t yall realise, the “conversation” has never taken place? Everyone, I mean EVERYONE worth talking to knows the score. It is now time for action. You can not talk your way out of this predicament
anymore.