The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-Minded America Is Terrifying Theocrats

Posted by James Bowery on Monday, 07 July 2008 22:31.

If the data presented in the recently published book “The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-Minded America Is Tearing Us Apart” is true, there is hope for freedom:

Americans are assortatively migrating and have been for the last 3 decades!

To the author of the book, this means a disastrous destruction of “dialogue” resulting in an “extremist” flavor of diversity.

To those of us who believe experimentation is a better ultimate appeal than argumentation—and who believe consent is a primary ethical requirement for subjecting humans to experiments—the trend toward people finding other like minded people among whom to live out their strongly held beliefs is the most meaningful expression of freedom possible.

To those who believe that we should decide vital issues at a central point of control for all of us, no control groups (no “back up” environments to conserve prior demonstrated successes) after a national debate decides the way we should vote, this separation into distinct social experiments fosters “extremism”—never mind that experimental integrity requires “extreme” separation of treated groups so we can discriminate cause from effect. To these neo-theocrats, “we” already know, even if only collectively as “we”, what is right and wrong. “Our” only obligation is to have enough “dialogue” to decide the issue in a vote—mother nature be damned.

Books like “The Big Sort” a are a predictable response from the new theocracy of Holocaustianity to the emergence of a new Gutenberg revolution as the central points of control of “dialog” (such as capital-intensive academia, print and broadcast media) continue to lose ground to the new media.

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Posted by GT on Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:58 | #

From Publisher’s Weekly:

“Bishop contends that as Americans have moved over the past three decades, they have clustered in communities of sameness, among people with similar ways of life, beliefs, and in the end, politics. There are endless variations of this clustering—what Bishop dubs the Big Sort—as like-minded Americans self-segregate in states, cities—even neighborhoods. Consequences of the Big Sort are dire: balkanized communities whose inhabitants find other Americans to be culturally incomprehensible; a growing intolerance for political differences that has made national consensus impossible; and politics so polarized that Congress is stymied and elections are no longer just contests over policies, but bitter choices between ways of life. Bishop’s argument is meticulously researched—surveys and polls proliferate—and his reach is broad. He splices statistics with snippets of sociological theory and case studies of specific towns to illustrate that while the Big Sort enervates government, it has been a boon to advertisers and churches, to anyone catering to and targeting taste.”

The “new theocracy” anticipates secession.

Let’s wave and say “hello” to them, James. You can bet your buns that everything we write is carefully noted.

Posted by GT on Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:09 | #

...as like-minded Americans self-segregate in states, cities—even neighborhoods.

Posted by the Narrator... on Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:29 | #

‘The Big Sort: Why The Clustering of White People Is a Threat To The Very Fabric Of The Universe!’

Lets face it, that is pretty much is what the book is saying.
Prior to 1965 America was nothing but one big giant clustering of like minded people….who (with the exception of a few pockets of minorities) just happened to all be White.

I mean, does anybody really believe that Jamal last moved because he and his old neighbor Pedro couldn’t come to a mutual understanding on Keynesian Economics?
I doubt it.

And I can’t seriously believe that the author is concerned with the clustering of sub-cultures such as comic book collectors and such.

It’s as if, while watching their control group, the elites have had to pause in the middle of their ‘meeeuuuwahahaha’-mad scientist laugh and say, “No, no! You’re doing it wrong!”

After all, how often do we see Mainstream Media articles that attempt to tell us that “Diversity” is going full steam ahead, and that all efforts to derail it are pointless?

And since MSM articles are consumed, for the most part, by average Americans and books like ‘The Big Sort’ are read mostly by people who are “like minded” with Mr. Bishop, it is quite revealing that the people who preach multiculturalism the hardest (the inner elite circle) are concerned that their “converts” are returning to their racially pagan roots.

Besides, if you took Mr. Bishops (presumed) thesis to its logical conclusion, you’d have to start doing away with everything from fan clubs to sports teams.

No, in truth, Mr. Bishop’s thesis is a thinly disguised Red Alert to the other elites that, “Whitey ain’t buying it!”...

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:43 | #

BrusselsJournal.com inches timidly closer to race as it and everyone else eventually must if they are to retain any credibility whatsoever in the epochal immigration/national-identity debates now starting to roil all over the West to the absolute horror of organized Jewry which wants all mention of the topic stifled until there are no more Euros left, only mulatto slaves and sex objects the unmiscegenated Jews can exploit:

A nation, in other words, is not a “community of values” or an impersonal social construct governed by certain laws. A nation – as the word suggests, derived as it is from the verb ‘to be born’ – is a family. A family can be a source of great love, indifference or even fratricidal conflict, just as a nation can experience cohesion, social exclusion or civil war. Nations can certainly welcome into their midst people who are not originally members of it, just as a family can expand to include in-laws. Both can and should show tolerance and friendship towards them. But at the end of the day, nations like families are bodies of people related to each other by blood.

This basic fact remains, whatever choices the individuals themselves may make. It does not absolutely determine human choice but it does influence it. The experience of second and third generation immigrants in Europe, whose parents or grandparents have chosen to come to a new country, and who have themselves chosen to remain in it, often shows the truth of this: in spite of their individual choice, people’s behaviour often remains ethnically based and culturally separate from that of the host nation, especially if they are of a different race.

Through left-liberalism, European nations have systematically destroyed the values which, as extended families, they once embodied. The admission into their midst of very large numbers of people who will never be part of the family aggravates what is already a serious problem of social dislocation. The attempt to reverse this trend by emphasising values may be a laudable one, but it can never succeed because the liberal paradigm on which it is based is wrong. It assumes that human societies are comparable to private companies and based on contract, when instead they are in fact comparable to families and based on the principles of blood relationship and paternity. That is a something which no amount of political sophistry can hide.

The brave author, one John Laughland, is to be highly commended. I think his mention of the word race (last word in the second paragraph excerpted) is the first I’ve ever seen at that web-site. May it be the first of many.

A great many.

Posted by 2R on Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:25 | #

Our enemies are very skilled at demographic warfare. In the former USSR, the communists understood the “danger” of having homogeneous regions. To combat this “threat,” they literally moved whole populations—by the millions—in order to “break up” these potential “problem” regions. China has also used this strategy in regions such as Tibet.

Its also important to understand this and how it relates to what Americans once knew as “Freedom of Association.” It was very important to remove this Constitutional right from American citizens. This was an effective tool for breaking up communities, but benefited the economic elite as well. In fact, this brings up a good point on how the race replacement process works.

On the top, we have our ideological enemies who want the White race erased. These ideological enemies do not have the same power in America as Stalin had in Russia. They can’t just move millions of people by train or cattle car (not yet anyway). So to accomplish their mission, they need to get the support of the economic elites. Our ideological enemies persuade the economic elites by giving them economic incentives to replace Whites. When segregation ended, no one profited better than the building companies and of course, the financiers. These people in turn financially support the political leaders that will implement the polices.

We see this process in the creation of the North American Union. At the top we have the ideological enemies who want to replace Whites. Below them are the people who will profit from this union. The economic elites then lobby the political class to implement the new policy. Finally, the information systems (media, schools, entertainment) have the role making the new policies look favorable to the masses while demonizing any dissenters.

Posted by Alex on Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:13 | #

From Publisher’s Weekly:

“Bishop contends that as Americans have moved over the past three decades, they have clustered in communities of sameness, among people with similar ways of life, beliefs, and in the end, politics. There are endless variations of this clustering—what Bishop dubs the Big Sort—as like-minded Americans self-segregate in states, cities—even neighborhoods. Consequences of the Big Sort are dire: balkanized communities whose inhabitants find other Americans to be culturally incomprehensible; a growing intolerance for political differences that has made national consensus impossible; and politics so polarized that Congress is stymied and elections are no longer just contests over policies, but bitter choices between ways of life. Bishop’s argument is meticulously researched—surveys and polls proliferate—and his reach is broad. He splices statistics with snippets of sociological theory and case studies of specific towns to illustrate that while the Big Sort enervates government, it has been a boon to advertisers and churches, to anyone catering to and targeting taste.”

Just about everything the writer ascribes to ‘the Big Sort’ is in reality true of multi-culturalism.

A very fine example of multi-cult inversion of reality if there ever was one.

Posted by Alex on Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:25 | #

”The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-Minded America Is Tearing Us Apart”

Yes, can’t have them ‘clustering’, they’ve got to be kept apart and separated.

Posted by GT on Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:59 | #

So, I’m insane for advocating a rural strategy for racial nationalism?

Variations on the Lawrence story are playing out across the country, with local leaders and coalitions shaping a new, more aggressive politics in what has begun to be referred to as an “urban archipelago” of major metropolitan centers, aging industrial cities and college towns that represent progressive blue islands in what appears on electoral maps to be a red sea of conservatism. These are crowded islands, with enough voters to influence politics far beyond their borders, and they remain bastions of American liberalism: Every American city with a population of more than 500,000 voted for John Kerry in 2004, as did about half the cities with populations between 50,000 and 500,000. In virtually every state that backed the Democratic presidential nominee last year—even traditional Democratic strongholds like Illinois, New Jersey and Michigan—it was only thanks to overwhelming majorities in urban areas that Kerry prevailed. At a time when the federal government is dominated by right-wing Republicans, and when liberal state governments are rare, cities are electing a new generation of progressives—a trend highlighted on May 17 when the second-largest city in the country, Los Angeles, replaced a cautious Democratic incumbent mayor with progressive Antonio Villaraigosa.

If Democrats and urban residents want to combat the rising tide of red that threatens to swamp and ruin this country, we need a new identity politics, an urban identity politics, one that argues for the cities, uses a rhetoric of urban values, and creates a tribal identity for liberals that’s as powerful and attractive as the tribal identity Republicans have created for their constituents. John Kerry won among the highly educated, Jews, young people, gays and lesbians, and non-whites. What do all these groups have in common? They choose to live in cities. An overwhelming majority of the American popuation chooses to live in cities. And John Kerry won every city with a population above 500,000. He took half the cities with populations between 50,000 and 500,000. The future success of liberalism is tied to winning the cities. An urbanist agenda may not be a recipe for winning the next presidential election—but it may win the Democrats the presidential election in 2012 and create a new Democratic majority.

Nope. I want them in the cities. I want them ALL in the cities.

Posted by GT on Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:39 | #

Envision our new nation, Arcadia. Here’s my interpretation of its southern half:

Posted by Alex on Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:21 | #

‘...and college towns that represent progressive blue islands in what appears on electoral maps to be a red sea of conservatism.’

I get a kick out of how a few years back they reversed the color code for election maps. Rad-libs and radical leftists, and those amongst them who had quite a pull with the democratic party, had by their actions so trashed the connotations of the color red that they no longer wanted to be associated with that color.

I’m glad I no longer take the idea of ‘right’ and ‘left’, ‘dem’ and ‘republican’, that seriously anymore.

Posted by GT on Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:26 | #

I’m glad I no longer take the idea of ‘right’ and ‘left’, ‘dem’ and ‘republican’, that seriously anymore.

Welcome to the vanguard. You’re ahead of most racialists.

With the exception of the Mexican border, northwest coast Portland-Seattle area, and the eastern seaboard south of Maine, the competitive regions of Bishop’s map are overwhelmingly comprised of blue-collar and lower-middle class Whites. Populism has great appeal for that demographic. A populist racial nationalism could make significant inroads assuming the implementation of a ground-based, non-MSM marketing strategy backed by the concepts of local empowerment and alternate economics targeting younger voters and non-voters alike. Pensioned voters, small business members of the Chamber of Commerce, and local government bureaucrats will not be supportive of the increased political and economic competition, of course.

Posted by snax on Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:27 | #

Do you comment at Brussels Journal Fred?

Perhaps you could ask Mr Laughland whether right-liberals have not been as guilty as left-l’s in creating the destruction he sees.

Agreeing to another’s proposal to commit a crime makes you an accomplice.

If Mr Laughland is a friend of the victim, rather than the accomplice, why does he point at lefty and say, “he made us do it, we were just helping?”

Posted by .357 on Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:29 | #

“’m insane for advocating a rural strategy for racial nationalism”—GT

Not insane, it’s just a preposterous proposition given the current enviornment of material abundance we live in. When, or if, the economy collapses, barter systems and “microcommunities” will naturally form. Until then, you’re howling at the moon!

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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:56 | #

That issue was not uppermost in my mind, Snax, when I read his piece.

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Posted by James Bowery on Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:02 | #

.357 writes: When, or if, the economy collapses, barter systems and “microcommunities” will naturally form.

What is “natural” for people is to prepare for the future. Your comment is rather like someone who says: “When, or if, winter comes, grain stores will naturally form.”

It is people who will form said microcommunities.

The question before we people is whether future microcommunities are of sufficient expected value to guide present choices.

People will differ on the answer to this question but some answers will prove better than others in guiding present choices.

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Posted by .357 on Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:54 | #

“Your comment is rather like someone who says: “When, or if, winter comes, grain stores will naturally form.”

Not quite the same, James. We know with certainty winter will arrive at the same time every year. We don’t know with certainty what the economic or sociopolitical landscape will look like in the future.

However, if there ever comes a time when microcommunities are necessary for our survival, I’m confident there are plenty of resourceful men and women who can step up to the plate to organize and lead them. That said, I agree with you. It is wise for us to be prepared for the worst, if, God forbid, the worst acually happens.

http://www.survivalplus.com/

http://www.backwoodshome.com/

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Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:21 | #

The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-Minded America Is Tearing Us Apart

There’s one that Orwell missed:

Putting together is tearing apart!

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Posted by .357 on Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:14 | #

Addendum to my above post:

Given our awful choices for president, we in the U.S., can predict with reasonable certainty our economic and sociopolitical future.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty378.htm

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Posted by Alex on Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:41 | #

Posted by GT on Wednesday, July 9, 2008 at 03:26 PM | #

Well, when it’s observed that both major parties (despite their words) seem to be making a steady march ‘left’, which in the modern sense translates as Marxism, the one party following (lagging?) just a bit behind the other, a person begins to get a sense that something just isn’t right.

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Posted by GT on Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:58 | #

Virtual laughter!

The idea of preparation and implementation from a position of relative strength is preposterous. No product development, testing, feedback, revision, or training is required! Better to go with something of proven effectiveness: Economic collapse, Hunter, and The Turner Diaries.

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If enemy demographics are urban, the Democrats’ evolving strategy is urban, and the Republican strategy is to pander to the non-Europid vote, then what does that say about racial nationalists who buy and promote the line that developing a rural strategy is “shouting at the wind?”

It says, at best, that our strategic short-sightedness is either willful – a reflection of moral turpitude, lack of skills, an aversion to creative thinking – or indicates extreme stupidity. At worst it reflects control and manipulation by the very people we oppose.

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Posted by GT on Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:00 | #

Well, when it’s observed that both major parties (despite their words) seem to be making a steady march ‘left’, which in the modern sense translates as Marxism, the one party following (lagging?) just a bit behind the other, a person begins to get a sense that something just isn’t right.

I agree wholeheartedly.

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Posted by .357 (Dave Johns) on Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:36 | #

In reference to GT’s ‘ingenious’ microcommunities /rural strategy -

GT stated on Saturday, April 12, 2008:

“I’ve spent five years in this “market.” If nothing changes by July’s end, I’ll repackage and move on.”

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Well, GT, it’s getting close to the end of July. Can you please give us a progress report on how well your project is going?

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Posted by James Bowery on Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:36 | #

Without having any association other than this blog, nor having done “due diligence” from an investment standpoint, I can say that GT and Maguire have all the outward signs of being quite legitimate recipients of funding and their work quite important if there are those interested in their work (and of course in the investment of due diligence required).

I’ll admit my long and strongly held agreement with their assumptions that rural vs urban is the strategy most likely to be both consistent with our peoples’ character and victorious.

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Posted by .357 (Dave Johns) on Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:57 | #

“... GT and Maguire have all the outward signs of being quite legitimate recipients of funding and their work quite important ... “

Other than their posts here at MR, there is an absence of any real evidence they’re acually doing what they claim. I get the feeling GT’s ‘real life’ microcommunity is a community of one…unless he provides verifiable proof he’s legit.

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Posted by GT on Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:19 | #

I’m a little embarrassed and don’t know what to say except thanks, James, for the plug.

We haven’t need for money at this time. All kiln and retort experimentation takes place in our garages and backyards. Parts are either tax deductible, acquired at estate sales, or salvaged. We are not ashamed to admit to “dumpster diving.” Our labor is donated.

My children and charges are in school. I won’t leave California and implement a rural microcommunity until their education is complete. Meanwhile, Maguire is furthering his science education. It’s necessary for credibility purposes. He’s looking at 2-3 years until completion.

It will be 3-4 years before we advance beyond the prep and development stage. Look for the roadshow in 2011, 2012, or 2013. Until then, I refuse to accept anybody’s money. Ask again at that time. I may need money to acquire a used engine, boiler, turbine, a couple of heavy transformers and NEMA boxes, and a roll of 4-6 gauge wire. I may also need the services of a technical writer, since I can’t write worth a damn.

Until then I could use the occasional assistance of an experienced electrical engineer.

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Of greater importance, movement-wise, is the need to collect non-copyrighted technical and academic publications, build technical and academic databases, develop K-12 academic and vocational curricula, promote the creation of home school and cultural associations in the countryside and suburbia, and adopting the proper mindset.

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Posted by Alex on Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:34 | #

Clinton has now weighed in on this book in his speech to the National Governors Association and is naturally quite all for what it has to say. Apparently there are those at high levels of the multi-cult who have concerns the atomization program (ie divide and conquer, divide and rule) is not working as it should. Another example of ideologues and their running into the cold stone wall of reality.

“Underneath this apparent accommodation to our diversity, we are in fact hunkering down in communities of like-mindedness, and it affects our ability to manage difference,” Clinton said.

Translation from doublespeak: Underneath this apparent accommodation to your division, you are in fact hunkering down in communities of like-mindedness, and this affects our ability to manage you.

Source

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Posted by GT on Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:18 | #

Wasn’t Clinton exulting over the prospect of Europids becoming a minority in this country, back 10-15 years ago?

I guess something happened along way.

Balkanization frightens the enemy in a way that “The Turner Diaries” never did and Alex Linder, Agent Miller, and Tom Metzger never will.

Putting a damper on “The Big Sort” will require them to:

1. Gradually raise gasoline prices and subsequent moving expenses.
2. Pass amnesty and grant citizenship to illegal aliens.
3. Contrive labor “agreements” with the third world for the issuance of (wink, wink) temporary work permits.
4. Accelerate the Section Eighting of “Hispanics” and Africans to the countryside and suburbia.

All of this is fine with that do-nothing crowd of easy online racialists who fantasize about “Leading the Revolution” from ever-deteriorating positions of weakness and desperation - and in cyberspace, of all places.

It is not fine with realists. We must cease our ADL and government-induced day-dreaming and realize that pudgy Urban Joe Sixpack will not be driven to fight from desperation. Instead he will lower his trousers, assume the position beside his pudgy wife, squeal like a pig, and beg for Deliverance. We must do everything in our power to prevent the Europid situation in North America from deteriorating to that point.

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Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:57 | #

I think that building a real, rock solid, pro-White home schooling curriculum is arguably equally, if not more important than, physically building micro-communities. There are millions of White, mostly Christian (if I am not mistaken), families who home school their children. They have already taken the bold step of removing themselves partially from the system. This is perhaps the most dramatic example of the implicit White communities that Dr. MacDonald has spoken and written about.

To do it, we need to come across, and in fact be, Christian friendly.

Perhaps not everyone is willing to drop out of the system completely, but to get them on the same page as us mentally/spiritually would be the next best thing. No?

I think we can get these people on our side.

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Posted by .357 (Dave Johns) on Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:58 | #

Tangentially on topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjrKO0DvuNQ

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Posted by James Bowery on Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:04 | #

I get the feeling GT’s ‘real life’ microcommunity is a community of one…unless he provides verifiable proof he’s legit.

That’s where, as I said, “due diligence” comes in.

GT: People can’t pursue a rural strategy without control of rural land. That may in many cases require capital and, as I have heard from you before, you are attempting to appeal to those with the necessary means. That’s what I mean by “investment” in your proposals.

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Posted by GT on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:04 | #

as I have heard from you before, you are attempting to appeal to those with the necessary means. That’s what I mean by “investment” in your proposals.

I’m glad you cleared that up, James.

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Posted by GT on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:39 | #

I think that building a real, rock solid, pro-White home schooling curriculum is arguably equally, if not more important than, physically building micro-communities. There are millions of White, mostly Christian (if I am not mistaken), families who home school their children. They have already taken the bold step of removing themselves partially from the system. This is perhaps the most dramatic example of the implicit White communities that Dr. MacDonald has spoken and written about.

As an interim strategy between now and our first microcommunities yes, I agree:

Of greater importance, movement-wise, is the need to collect non-copyrighted technical and academic publications, build technical and academic databases, develop K-12 academic and vocational curricula, promote the creation of home school and cultural associations in the countryside and suburbia, and adopting the proper mindset.

Our immediate objective should be to promote, throughout the country, an “implicitly white” local group cohesion that subverts ZOG’s system and avoids the publicity attached to racial issues.

The three functional areas which can accomplish this fastest are:

1. Home Schooling & Distance Learning. Subverting those Marxist Institutions of Collegial Mudsharking is a high priority. The goal is to break down State licensure barriers wherever these require a diploma or stamp from “our” Institutional Academic gate keepers. Objective testing should be the only academic criteria for teaching. This is good libertarianism.

2. Alternate Production. Alternate Production should precede eBarter (or other Alternate Exchange Systems) to provide a basis for exchange. This dovetails the national socialist principle of “a marks worth of goods and labor for a mark.”

3. Local Economic Groups. Perhaps Amish- or Habitat for Humanity-style house raisings could be an early focal point. Simply cutting the mortgage financed cash cost by half to 2/3’s would be a tremendous achievement.

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Posted by .357 (Dave Johns) on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:48 | #

Do you want fries with that kiln? LOL

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Posted by GT on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:57 | #

Oops, I forgot the links!

Alternate Production

Home Schooling & Distance Learning here, here, here, and here.

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Posted by .357 (Dave Johns) on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:22 | #

GT, but how’s your kiln progressing?

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Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:56 | #

Dave,

How about recognising someone on your own side? There’s no need to pick away at GT’s integrity. If you are angry with him for critiquing “easy on-line racialism” don’t be. The point he is making is mete. We are not here to vent hot air and accomodate ourselves to the relegation of our people to history. We are here to change that, and exchanging ideas about how to do it is the whole purpose of this blog.

Anyway, your point is not just. GT is acting as a signpost, not an exemplar. He doesn’t have to be a practitioner in any given field that might be pursuant to white survival to commend certain ideas and sites to those with an active interest in that field. Cut him some rope. Cut us all some rope. God knows we need it.

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Posted by .357 (Dave Johns) on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:55 | #

>>“If you are angry with him for critiquing “easy on-line racialism” don’t be. The point he is making is mete.”

I apologise for reacting negatively to the constant chiding he has been doling out as of late.

That said, GT’s contribution in the technical area adds a nice touch to the site - kudos to him for that.

Too, in actuality, I really have no hard feelings towards him.

So, GW, as you correctly suggest, I’ll move in a more positive direction.

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Posted by danielj on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:32 | #

TO GT:

a couple of heavy transformers and NEMA boxes, and a roll of 4-6 gauge wire.

Talk to me about that when you get there. It is my field.

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Posted by GT on Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:42 | #

Talk to me about that when you get there. It is my field.

Thanks much, I will.

Right now we’re focused on fairly sophisticated DIY equipment for the garage and backyard-level manufacturing. Imagine, for example, having plans for a home-built PID temperature controller with a computer interface for your home-built kiln – all free with a citation and a promise not to sell the controller or its design. Sure, you can buy a real purty one from Omega or “Hung Duc Industries,” but you’ll be forced to replace it in one-three years. Plans can be provided for kilns, multi-machines, welders, converters, inverters, etc. In seven-ten years I hope to be taking select teens and young adults in for training at cost. They’ll leave with their own equipment, built by themselves under my tutelage. I want to see this kind of thing duplicated throughout the country.

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Posted by .357 (Dave Johns) on Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:39 | #

GT,

I’m not baiting you, but what will happen if the authorities take the position that your ‘kiln’ is a violation of building codes?

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Posted by GT on Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:56 | #

…what will happen if the authorities take the position that your ‘kiln’ is a violation of building codes?

I’d follow the law as you would do if the authorities wanted to confiscate your .357 magnum.

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An early prototype of the kiln’s wiring. Warning: Do not construct this circuit! It is for educational purposes only:

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Posted by GT on Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:04 | #

We’ve all kinds of skills and products in mind for small industries applicable for home and microcommunities. Here’s the prototype of a simple little output board w/remote connector used in the landscape industry. The final version of the basic model would be solder masked.

Those who think we’re posing had better think again.

Me and mine are all about the “Big Sort.”

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Posted by .357 (Dave Johns) on Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:30 | #

GT,

The wiring diagram you provided is simple enough so as to be easy to meet NEC (National Electrical Code) requirements. However, what I would be concerned with is the power source. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t you indicate wood will be the power source? Given the current government generated hysteria about global warming and smog, I’d be very uneasy about government imposed prohibitions such as this:

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=11433

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Posted by GT on Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:08 | #

All wiring conforms to NEC and CEC standards. The input – 240V, 23.5A, single-phase – can be taken from a Edison-supplied, breakered main/sub-panel in the home or from an alternate electrical source in the countryside. The latter may be biomass-fired or water/wind-driven. The linked article from 2003 was/is pertinent to fireplaces in California’s central San Joaquin Valley. There is no state-wide prohibition of wood-burning fireplaces, to my knowledge. If there is, then several millions of people throughout California’s inland and coastal regions are in violation every winter. If they are in violation, then the violation pertains only to California. California building codes are not the law of the land.

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Posted by snax on Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:58 | #

This is off-topic.

JWH @ http://westbiop.blogspot.com/2008/07/godless-capitalist-attacks-james-bowery.html comments on disagrements with James Bowery. Having the highest respect for JB, and the hope that JWH might once engage in straightforward friendly debate, I suggest these very esteemed thinkers battle it out here for all our benefit.

Godless Capitalist’s disagreements with JB are meaningless to me. I have no respect for GC, just as he has none for me as a White man.

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