The Great British Tradition of Conserving Homogeneity By David Hamilton To insinuate that those of us who follow a traditional conservative way, and love a nation that lost thousands fighting Nazi Germany, are ourselves nazis or fascists is malicious, disrespectful and offensive. A racial world view is a traditional world view. It goes back to our Anglo-Saxon tribal days. Hitler ventured far beyond that, of course, and fashioned not simply something that held his people together but excused military aggression and race-hatred. But he was an historical exception and no part of my tribal tradition anyway. In fact, many aspects of wanting to conserve or recreate our homogeneity can be traced back deep into our history. Britons have a great and noble tradition of conserving our homogeneity, and, at least until the end of the war, had a better and more pleasant life for being homogenous. Queen Elizabeth was firmly in the Great Tradition. In 1596, she sent an “open letter” to the Lord Mayor of London, stating:- “there are of late divers blackmoores brought into this realme, of which kinde of people there are allready here to manie,” She order that they be deported. A week later, she repeated the treatment:- And commissioned the merchant Casper van Senden to “take up” certain “blackamoores here in this realme and to transport them into Spaine and Portugall.” In 1601, she again complained about the:-
And she had them repatriated. Edmund Burke offered a definition of a nation which involves a shared identity, history, ancestry, and continuity:-
Today we are concerned that “those who are to be born” will be dominated by immigrant populations. We read repeated reports that we are becoming a minority in our own towns and cities. The immigrants are human and like us, are subject to the same failings, and are likely to treat us no better than they perceive we treated them. Then there is the threat of miscegenation. Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli wrote in Chapter 24 of Lord George Bentinck: A Political Biography (1852),
Sir Winston Churchill followed the noble tradition but unfortunately had failing health. Yet he still tried to heal the rupture in our national continuity in 1955 by having a bill to control immigration drawn up which was not ready until June, two months after he stepped down because of his health. He wanted the Conservative party to adopt the slogan “Keep England White.” A hero against mass immigration in the early 1950s was the fifth Marquess of Salisbury, grand son of the great Conservative Prime Minister and descendent of Lord Burleigh adviser to Queen Elizabeth. He fought his battles in Cabinet. A letter preserved at the National Archive written to Viscount Swinton in 1954, shows his standpoint. Swinton like others only wanted the powers to deport criminals, sick immigrants and charges on the state but Salisbury was deeper and wiser than that and foretold:-
Oliver Lyttletton (later Lord Chandos) wanted to introduce deposits of £500 to be put down by immigrants. In a letter of his own to Swinton, dated 31st March 1954., he wrote:-
He had a list of all restrictions imposed on Britons by other Commonwealth countries, who refused to accept:-
We alone allowed anyone in. Conservative Sir Cyril Osborne (Louth) first tried in 1954 to introduce a bill to control immigration under the 10 minute rule. Before it got to Parliament the Commonwealth Affairs committee had 17 present when 14 spoke and only one supported the bill. In May 1958, 3 months before the racial battles of Notting Hill and 1922 Committee to consider the consequences of uncontrolled immigration, he broke down and wept. At the second reading of the Commonwealth Immigration bill (1961) he prophesied:
Norman Pannell, Conservative member for Liverpool (Kirkdale), served in the Nigerian Legislature and lived in Africa for over 10 years. He proposed a motion at the 1958 Tory conference for reciprocal rights of entry with other Commonwealth countries, for the U.K. had an open door policy and let anyone in:-
He also addressed the 1961 conference on the perils of admitting criminals and the sick. The debate was stage-managed to stop Cyril Osborne speaking, who stood outside in the rain handing out off-prints of a letter of his from the morning’s Telegraph. Pannell stated that although Butler had disagreed with limiting numbers and had agreed with his suggestion of deporting immigrants who commit crimes, nothing had been done. There is the importation of diseases which puts the population at risk. In a letter to the Times of 13th December 1960, Harold Gurden wrote:-
In 2007 it has been revealed that we have a record number of cases of TB. This has been imported by our authorities. When we were homogenous we trusted one another and the police did not need to be armed. Now they regularly have to shoot people in the street. We are in a surveillance state, and have totalitarian race laws to oppress us. At a Society For Individual Freedom meeting at Birmingham Town Hall, on 18th April 1968, two days before Enoch’s famous Rivers of Blood speech, Sir Ronald Bell warned of the forthcoming Race Relations Act:-
To control thought, totalitarians redefine words and change the meaning of legal terms. In his outstanding book The Unarmed Invasion(1965) Lord Elton wrote:-
In his autobiography, the great Rock guitarist Eric Clapton tells of adverts he saw while touring Jamaica for immigrants to come here and how clear it was that they were being brought here as cheap labour. A passage in Edward Gibbon’s masterpiece The Decline and Fall of Rome is prophetic. He pondered what would have befallen us had Muslims won the battle of Poitiers in France in 733. He saw that battle as a major turning point in European history:-
They are there now because our rulers are on their side against us. The Saudi monarchy are building The Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies (OCIS), founded in 1985. Prince Charles is its honorary patron. It is the biggest Muslim educational centre in the United Kingdom and built as a traditional Oxford college around a central cloistered quadrangle. The 10,230 sq m four-storey building will feature study and research facilities, a lecture theatre, a large library and an environmentally controlled archive for rare documents; a prayer hall with traditional dome and minaret tower. The centre includes a 108-foot-high minaret and a 75-foot-high dome. It is estimated at £65 million. We must remember that Oxford, the University of Treachery, is pushing us out in favour of overseas students. A TV poll marking 40 years since Enochs ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech found most people anticipate racial conflict over the years to come. It is only the unprecedented level of prosperity Europe has enjoyed over recent years that has prevented civil unrest. But we are now heading into recession. In an echo of Enoch’s warnings on racial civil war, The Sunday Times of June 11, 2006 reported that Rear Admiral Chris Parry, one of Britain’s most senior military strategists, warned that western civilisation faces a threat on a par with the barbarian invasions that destroyed the Roman empire. He said future migrations would be comparable to the Goths and Vandals while North African barbary pirates could be attacking yachts and beaches in the Mediterranean within 10 years. Europe, including Britain, could be undermined by large immigrant groups with little allegiance to their host countries, a “reverse colonisation” as Parry described it. These groups would stay connected to their homelands by the internet and cheap flight. We never asked for, nor were we asked if we wanted, the new invasion, not by proud conquering warlords, but by cringing Third World masses with whom we have nothing in common. But the elites wanted cheap labour and wanted their historic guilt expiated while they, of course, lived peacefully in fine areas. The words of these heroes became reality on 7 July 2005 when the blood of 52 victims of Third World immigration ran in the gutters of London. Enoch had told the Southall Chamber of Commerce on 4th November 1971, “Yet it is more truly when he looks into the eyes of Asia that the Englishman comes face to face with those who will dispute with him possession of his native land.” Comments:2
Posted by link on Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26 | # Or in other words, it is nice to see, that the first documented ‘nazi’ was a royal from 1596…:-) Just ‘cos ambiguity is not my intention: I myself set sails on the side of ole Q.E. 3
Posted by snax on Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:17 | # cladrastis is surely right Mr Hamilton, if you say you’d like to recreate our homogeneity you’ll always be dismissed as a racist bigot by the establishment whose tolerance you seek - no matter how forcefully you condemn the one European government that actually tried to recreate a national homogeneity. If they also call you a hypocrite for excusing imperialism and Britain’s own racist past, you can’t really complain.
While I pretty much agree, every people invaded by your beloved empire might well have said they had trust among themselves; they might also have complained about the Colonial Police and British Army shooting their people in their homelands; and I daresay they weren’t cockahoop about the race laws that oppressed them. All this is part of our tribal tradition Mr H., and it doesn’t strike me as any better than what Hitler did, or as bad as what we suffer now - though it in no way justifies the way ‘our’ govt. treats us today. ... That Disraeli had a wicked wit. 4
Posted by VanSpeyk on Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:59 | # Contrary to snax, Nazi Germany was not ‘the one European government’ that aimed for ethnic homogeneity. It was neither the only one or the last. After the war several Eastern European countries expelled their German minorities in a conscious attempt to reduce “diversity”. A recent Foreign Affairs article, no less, mentioned this and even put a positive spin on ethnonationalism. See here: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080301faessay87203/jerry-z-muller/us-and-them.html Furthermore, that particular German government did a lot more than simply trying to achieve a mono-ethnic country, in fact it even followed policy that increased heterogeneity by absorbing Czechs and Slovaks. Concerning the argument that, whatever we pro-white activsits do, we will always be tarred with the Nazi brush, I would like to express my disagreement with this line of thinking. Even if we accept for the sake argument that it is essentially correct then, still, that does not mean we should therefore seize to distance ourselves form nazism. The point is that it’s not the accusation that counts (those will always come, I agree, because it’s such a powerful weapon of our opponents) but the credibility of it (as perceived by average to above average whites). 5
Posted by snax on Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:59 | # VS, I’m not sure I agree. Expelling one minority among many hardly makes for homogeneity, and countries like Czechoslovakia and Poland never made any claim to be ethnic nationalist. That the Third Reich had a policy of increasing “diversity” and sought to increase the ethnic Czech and Slovak numbers in their population is news to me. 6
Posted by Desmond Jones on Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:54 | # If Master Hamilton wishes to boast of a superior British morality in the pursuit of The Great British Tradition of Conserving Homogeneity then why not begin with the Edict of Expulsion.
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Posted by Gudmund on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:36 | # Van Speyk is right. And he didn’t even mention Bismarck-era Germany. That was an explicitly racialist state as well (not as extreme as Hitler’s but racialist nonetheless). Minorities there were encouraged to assimilate or get out. I don’t think that Russification/Germanization/whatever-ization policies are that productive however. Its better to create apartheid-ism than try to force top-down assimilation. It runs counter to man’s tribal nature. 8
Posted by onetwothree on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:47 | # If Hitler wanted a “racially pure” Germany he could have sent the Jews en masse to Palestine any day of the week. Rather, he needed their money and their cheap labor. Same shit as now. 9
Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:05 | # “Caveats that “we are not Nazis”, just “traditional racialists” is a complete waste of time - and something, it seems, the British are particularly prone to do.” - cladrastis “Our strength consists in our speed and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women and children to slaughter, with premeditation and a happy heart. History sees in him solely the founder of a state. It’s a matter of indifference to me what a weak western European civilization will say about me. I have issued the command, and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad, that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death’s-head formation in readiness, for the present only in the East, with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (Lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” - Adolf Hitler, I guess that would depend on the audience. 10
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:32 | # If Lochner’s quote is true. “MY informant seldom visited me, but when he came it was always on legitimate business which he was careful to announce in advance over our tapped telephone. Even to-day nobody in Germany suspects him. It was he who not only gave me the zero hour for the outbreak of World War II, but who later informed me of the exact day and minute for the attack on Crete. It was he, too, who, thirty days before Hitler started his offensive against Russia, revealed the day and hour—3 A.M. on June 22, 1941—when the Nazi wave would start to inundate the U.S.S.R. A week before Hitler’s assault on Poland, this man delivered to me a three-page typed manuscript. The document, written in German, is entitled, “Contents of Speech to the Supreme Commanders and Commanding Generals, Obersalzberg, August 22, 1939.” It is one of the most sensational and, at the same time, most revealing papers I own. “ What about Germany? Book by Louis P. Lochner; Hodder and Stoughton, 1943 p. 11 Heath W. Lowry “In short, a comparison of the Lochner and Nuremberg versions of the August 22, 1939, Obersalzberg speech, strongly suggest that the one leaked to Lochner by the confidant of Beck was a strongly doctored version designed for propaganda purposes. This interpretation is supported by the fact the General Halder’s detailed diary entries for August 22, 1939, contain none of the above passages. Halder was, by that date, firmly in the ranks of the anti-Hitler German officers, and presumably the would have had no interest in censoring his own diary had Hitler in fact made such statements. (27) While it way never be possible to completely reconstruct the reasons behind these addenda to the Obersalzberg speech and the manner in which they were made, nor why Lochner was chosen as the conduit to transmit them to the West, one thing is certain: The only versions of the obersalzberg speech containing any reference to the Armenians derive from a single source-Louis P.Lochner. Thus, not only is the provenance of US-28 (L-3) doubtful, but the actual transcripts of Hitler’s Obersalzberg speech (US-30/1104-PS, Boehm, and Halder) are at total variance with the text of the Lochner version vis-?-vis the alleged Armenian statement (compare Appendices II and III). Therefore one cannot help but share the opinions of the Nuremberg prosecutor and William Shirer (Shier’s assessment of the Lochner version as “embellished a little by persons who were not present at the Berghof.” ) and reject the Lochner version. “ 11
Posted by Fr. John on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:24 | # I always tended toward an understanding of what Q.E. I went through, trying to keep England together after Bloody Mary. As an Orthodox cleric, I would much rather side with a traditionalist Anglican interpretation of history, than the Romanist, for the record. Rome has never been for anyone but herself, and that was nothing more than a revivified Empire, with a facade of Xianity thrown in for good measure… and that’s all. But now, with these quotes, I find I like ‘Good Queen Bess’ far more than I did before. Can you not find a ruler more like her, than that old tugboat, QEII? And I disagree with those who say finding such sentiments is a waste of time. And don’t think I’m not serious! As for that monstrosity in Oxford. Buildings can ALWAYS be destroyed. 12
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:29 | #
Precisely. Well said. In that and other ways, there are a great many vastly superior alternatives to the “solutions” being pursued by our overlords at present. 13
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:34 | #
And pray God the Euro populations currently targeted for erasure by the E.U. overlords never forget that, and rise up one day to set all this outrage to rights once again! 14
Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:48 | # “If Lochner’s quote is true.” - Desmond Jones Thank you for bringing that to my attention. 15
Posted by Gudmund on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:51 | # Leon Haller posted the following this morning, but the Takimaggots already took it down: (To ‘silver’ and Ryszard: You might find my latest post below of some interest.) ——————————————————— Good stuff! 16
Posted by Celtic Wife for Life on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:57 | #
Does this “traditional conservative way” include the concept of one marriage for life and exclude the concept of divorce, like most “traditional” and “conservative” ways around the world do? Just curious. I think if white europeans and our descendents could just wrap our minds around the idea of abstinence until marriage and then lifelong marriage with no divorce, that our concerns would dwindle to nil because, guess what? Our population would grow and grow without so many “issues” that arise from broken family syndrom. 17
Posted by Gudmund on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:29 | # “I think if white europeans and our descendents could just wrap our minds around the idea of abstinence until marriage and then lifelong marriage with no divorce, that our concerns would dwindle to nil because, guess what? Our population would grow and grow without so many “issues” that arise from broken family syndrom.” Celt And yet you will not at any time admit the role of feminism and other cultural Marxist initiatives in deleting tradition from “respectable discourse.” Strike at the root or not at all. But then, that would strike at your own core beliefs, now wouldn’t it? 18
Posted by Celtic Inquirer on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:04 | # My core beliefs are what? Enlighten me since you seem to know more about me than even I do! 19
Posted by danielj on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:19 | # Celtic, I don’t understand your beef? I think most of us here would agree that divorce is a huge problem in Christendom, especially since the Bible forbids, and would therefore be in agreement with your position on the issue. The other varieties of theists and non-theists would most likely also assent to the idea of perpetual and lifelong monogamy as it creates a stable society with strong families; something that is not possible under other marital arrangements. I don’t read any commenter here as endorsing divorce, polygamy, bigamy or any other sin you seem intent on preaching hell-fire toward. What gives? 20
Posted by Celtic Math Again on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:48 | # What gives is that most, if not all, of the dudes on this site ARE divorced at least once! Really, I guarantee that most, if not ALL, of the problems facing white euros and white euro descent americans today would vanish if they just learned and practiced principles of abstinence, chastity and lifelong marriage with no divorce. Then you’d be having, if not more kids, then at least kids of stable mind and character who then go on to reproduce more of their own kind of stable white euro offspring capable of doing and achieving more. 21
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:52 | # With all the white men you’ve been burned by, Celtic, you could go on Maury Povich. 22
Posted by Celtic Puritan on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:09 | # White men haven’t burned me. All the white dudes I met during my dating years had so much baggage (babies mamas, divorce, alimony, child support, you name it) that after the first date I said, “salam”. They didn’t get any oppurtunity to burn me. I wanted to be with a cultured, self controlled gentleman. Not a washed up and jaded dishcloth. So sad to see young men no older than 28 so down and out with no vitality. 23
Posted by Glyn Roach on Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:19 | # this should be very useful, in the near future, I think. Reason I say this is twofold: The “No Platform” position dictated by the extreme left is crumbling. BNP speakers will have to defend their views in debate, and pointing out that the BNP is advocating policies which are mainstream in our recent history is a very effective way of doing just that. In speaking to UKIPpers, we could well say, unknown in our history until we went into the EU. 24
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:04 | # If its only civic nationalism, Glen - and I’m not arguing with you about that - the English are not going to survive. There has to be something more. But is there? 25
Posted by Armor on Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:33 | #
but what would the English government have said to that? 26
Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:56 | # “...but what would the English government have said to that?” - Armor England (rock) <>Germany+Jews<>Russia (hard-place) And, yes, Lebensraum sucks. 27
Posted by Glyn Roach on Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:08 | # two of the biggest problems we face with what appears to be our own side are the civic nationalists like UKIP, The disgusting English Democrats who hate the Scots yet say all legal immigrants are English or the irelevant Free England Party who intend to keep the Community Relations Act 1976 because it ensures racial justice! They have hollowed out Englishness and made it interchangable with multi-racialism and we must take these on. http://www.bnptv.org.uk/news3.php?go=fullnews&newsid=359 Of course, not you are insignificant and pointless. 28
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:11 | # Glyn, It might have passed you by that we have no interest in or expectations of UKIP, the English Democrats or the Free England Party. Obviously, they are not addressing the Great Existential Question in any way. But the BNP is. That makes it worthy of attention. That makes it worth weighing its political meaning - not the dogged virtues of its canvassers on a cold and wet Sunday morning in Nuneaton. Arthur Kemp, by the way, is no political or intellectual titan. His “Titans” is ridiculous, and if you trouble to check his past in South Africa you will likely form a more critical view about the man and his value to the movement. You might also ask yourself why Griffin has him around at all - a good question with no good answer if the purpose of the BNP really is to achieve political power. As for us, I don’t think you understand what intellect is for. The world is made of ideas, not activism. Activism sans ideas is the banging of an empty tin can. It may catch the attention but it does not please the ear. In truth, you aren’t really required to understand why you bang on the doors of Nuneaton. You are driven by your own simple nativism anyway. But in our complex world, Glyn, simple nativism cannot “travel”, cannot endure without an over-arching ideology that imbues it with power and direction. So ... far above the argument and counter-argument on the doorstep is the argument and counter-argument of the meta-political out of which such ideology is formed. In a word, people like us are trying to give historical function to the work of people like you. Is that clearer now? 29
Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:36 | # Glyn Roach: “The reason why you blame Jews for everything is because they are in your imaginations and that makes them safe.” No, Glyn. We blame the Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE GUILTY. Read this, genius. And then click the link and read the chapter. “A congruent opinion is expressed by prominent Jewish social scientist and ethnic activist Earl Raab, who remarks very positively on the success of American immigration policy in altering the ethnic composition of the United States since 1965.1 Raab notes that the Jewish community has taken a leader-ship role in changing the Northwestern European bias of American immigra-tion policy (1993a, 17), and he has also maintained that one factor inhibiting anti-Semitism in the contemporary United States is that “an increasing ethnic heterogeneity, as a result of immigration, has made it even more difficult for a political party or mass movement of bigotry to develop” (1995, 91). Or more colorfully: 30
Posted by Glyn Roach on Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:42 | # Ideas are superficial just the rationalising process whereas the real battle is of underlying prejudices. The opposition is prejudiced in favourof ethnics and we arein favour of whites. The rest is rationalisation. 31
Posted by Glyn Roach on Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:45 | # The writer you are attacking 3 times challenged MacDonald and he would not respond. Thats what I meant about the front line. You lot are jeering from the stalls. 32
Posted by Captainchaos on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:11 | # Glyn Roach: “The writer you are attacking 3 times challenged MacDonald and he would not respond.” “Hey, MacDonald. You are full of shite. I didn’t read any of your books, too many big words. But you are still full of shite.” (silence) “Hey, MacDonald. Why debate about books when we can settle this the right way - with a drinking contest. Come on, MacDonald. No man on these Isles can out drink me. What makes you think you can?” (silence) LOL! 33
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:28 | # Glyn, There are some disturbing aspects of the BNP. In no particular order: it’s lack of a genuine constitution, NG’s “Chairman-for-Life” status, his inexplicable handling of the EiE crisis, his tendency to cast off talented officers, his stubborn cleavage to people like Tony Lecomber, Lee B (occasionally), Arthur Kemp, Mark Collett and Dave Hannam who would not be given houseroom in any normal party, never mind positions of influence and power. I find certain aspects of party policy incomprehensible, particularly the “my enemy’s enemy” focus on Islam while Sikhs, Hindhus and Jews are held in high regard; and the focus on being “British” at a time when the Union is falling out of favour is very odd and annoying too. My other two concerns are its anti-intellectualism - a bit of an on-off thing, mostly on - and the elephantine certainty of its infiltration by MI5. I don’t know if NG is conspiring against anyone. I think he proved in the EiE debacle that he is principally for himself, which for some never explained reason involves loyalty to the talentless coterie around him. He had the opportunity to continue in his present lordly manner minus three of the coterie. But he chose instead to decimate his activist base. It is legitimate to ask why. The dark and worrying possibility is that the party is not meant to “break through” at all, but is merely meant to provide an outlet for native frustrations. Such a reading is entirely consistent both with the facts about the BNP as they exist and with the uniformly ritualistic and non-substantive condemnation the party receives from its opponents. I hope to hell it isn’t so, and the appearance of a dogged, brave little party of loyal Brits is true. We may know more in 2009/10 when Brown goes to the polls - not from the results necessarily, which will indicate a steady strengthening of popular support for the party, but from the reaction of the mainstream parties. The day they cease employing demonisation and begin to confront BNP policy issues I will know that the appearance of a state mechanism is an illusion, and things are for real. 34
Posted by Glyn Roach on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:51 | # This stuff about ideas is essentially “Rationalist” thinking and so is intellectualism. It was part of the various rationalisms especially liberal thinking and throughout the fifties those who grew into race-traitors were looking for new ideas. The nitty-gritty is emotions - where we belong and who with. I would go so far as to say philosophy mainly appeals to this type as does ideology. 35
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:14 | # Glyn, The history of liberalism, most particularly since its Marxisation before the turn of the 20th century and its entirely Jewish culturalisation after WW2, demonstrates conclusively that ideas are sovereign. Ethnic interests (not “prejudice”) have proved no match for notional liberty. But the reason for that is that the liberal era comprised from the outset an ideological environment in which European ethnic interests could be turned into foreign matter - and, ultimately, could not survive. The task is one of intellectualising an environment in which the reverse is true. Just waiting for the overwhelming presence of foreigners to trigger white people’s prejudices, by which I assume you really mean race-consciousness, is half or even a quarter of an answer. Liberalism ... the whole shooting match left and right ... has to be got out of the way, along with its parasites and beneficiaries. We cannot make piece-meal changes stick if individual freedom remains the notional purpose of political and cultural life, and if European Man remains estranged from himself and in thrall to an inculcated morality. This is a very big and complex issue. Do not play the anti-intellectual. We are on the same side. 36
Posted by Glyn Roach on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:19 | # Fair enough, but what have you that will trigger race-consciousness? Because that is the crux: if you disagree with others what have you to offer? Where is this ideology you ae building? At least DH is putting things forward. 37
Posted by Why Ask? on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:23 | # and the elephantine certainty of its infiltration by MI5… The dark and worrying possibility is that the party is not meant to “break through” at all, but is merely meant to provide an outlet for native frustrations. A false flag state police & “private” Board of Deputies of British Jews operation is the most reasonable interpretation. These kinds of operations are a favorite method of political police. Particularly when the political elites are pursuing policies they know the mass of the population reject. When the regime ruling in Germany attempted to outlaw patriotic opposition it emerged the predicate acts for the ban had all been committed by police agent provocateurs. N-G has flipped over to sucking the Zionists’ toes, denouncing their enemies and keeping the BNP organization crippled with internal strife and poor leadership. What more is there to discuss? 38
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:48 | # Glyn: Where is this ideology you are building? That’s a fair question, and of course I am not in possession of a complete answer. I am closer to it than I was four years ago when we launched this blog, that’s for certain. But the heavy lifting is not actually for me - a very poor originator of thought. It is for all the intellectuals of the radical right. We still need to fashion a formative consensus so their energies can be adequately and profitably focussed. This can be done, btw, and I expect it to. I’d rather not answer your question with much of my own stumbling thought at this stage. Regulars here know the shape of my ideas, such as they are, and Soren’s and Matt’s and James’, too. James is the most original thinker of all of us, and he would give quite a different and perhaps less holistic answer than me. In reality, as I say, we need to engage a much wider circle of thinkers - some of whom we know personally - to crack this very hard, substantially semitic nut. What I will say is that my “disagreement” with European palingenesis and nativism and American race-realist, judeophobic WN relates to their respective incompleteness. The European mythos and the American logos operate to the exclusion of one another, which hobbles the possibility of advancement of both. European nationalist intellectuals are not much interested in the real. The Americans cannot find a dream to compete with the pursuit of liberty. The resulting stasis is what keeps us from realising our racial objective. So my efforts are geared to trying to overcome that, and very difficult it is, too. 39
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:55 | #
Here’s a tool for the job, a new book by American social philosopher James Kalb, telling how to accomplish it: <a >a review</a>; <a >an excerpt</a>; <a >another excerpt</a>; <a >the book</a>; <a >the book at Amazon.com</a>. 40
Posted by Glyn Roach on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:58 | # What is more to discuss “Why ask” is why you do not attack our enemies but our only movement albeit with faulty leadership? Because you are doing the work of the state yourself! 41
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:00 | # Have you read it, Fred? Jim is so very attached to his faith, and I see Christianity, and certainly Catholicism, as part of the problem, I would be doubtful of finding a solution in the terms that I see the problem. But if the religion thing isn’t leading Jim’s thoughts, that may be an unfair expectation on my part. 42
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:06 | # None of those links I embedded in my last comment works (maybe the last one does). I was going to try again posting from AOL instead of Mozilla Firefox, but on testing it, the same thing happened. (That stuff never used to happen; I don’t know what’s going on.) Try isolating the URL which appears in the browser box at the top of the screen: subtract this site’s URL from the intended link’s URL which will begin with http, and click on the isolated address. Sorry about that! 43
Posted by Glyn Roach on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:39 | # Thanks for the tip Fred. this looks interesting. http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=3040999&trail=14#9 44
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:41 | # GW, I’ve ordered it on the strength of excerpts I’ve read and the author’s reputation as a philosopher; not yet read it. I also consider the Pope and the Vatican a big part of the problem, but they aren’t “Catholicism itself.” They’re this year’s, or this decade’s, or whatever, Pope and Vatican. Popes and Vatican Curias change of course. I’ve not yet decided if Catholicism itself necessarily is part of the problem. I have a gnawing suspicion it is, but in my mind I keep wavering back and forth. If it is, I’ll leave the religion (or rather, I’ll stop identifying as one, since I’m not a practicing Catholic). And I’ve left “liberalism” behind as the cause of the disease afflicting us, on grounds it’s a miasma theory. Nevertheless I cite Kalb’s book, which posits liberalism as the cause of the disease, because 1) from excerpts I’ve read and knowing Kalb’s thinking well, I expect it promises to give the best analysis of liberalism out there, and 2) for those who see liberalism as the disease’s root cause, his outlines for successful counterattack likely can’t, I would surmise, be improved upon, if even equalled, which I doubt. Yes for him Christianity generally and Catholicism specifically is a necessary part of the solution — or at least is highly recommended as part of the solution. As I’ve indicated, I’m not settled on that question. I complain about Christianity but I can’t at present imagine, for example, a European identity in the absence of Christianity. But until I get to where I’ve solidly rejected his interpretations of the malady, I do not know of a better expositor of the workings of several, at least, of the innermost gears of the infernal machine. 45
Posted by Desmond Jones on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:14 | # It’s not liberalism that must be gotten out of the way, but government’s anti-liberal incursion, the “protective shield”, built on the behalf of minority groups.
Freedom is not a finding of an equilibrium. It is present or it’s absent. Liberalism posited universal freedom including exclusion. The revolution lay in the shift from the exclusive to the inclusive. However, as Mill stated freedom cannot be inclusive.
However, contra Mill, some believe freedom of speech can and should be maintained, even in a multiracial environment. If racial consciousness is a none starter, especially for N. Europeans, then an opportunity may exist. The effort being to first take back speech and then the right to exclude. 46
Posted by Glyn Roach on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:12 | # Liberalism was a rationalisation for the weakness of the hire ruling classes as PC is of their surrender to other groups. The real problem is the racial and spiritual weakness of an tired people who spent their enegy after 1500 years of conquest and civilisation. 47
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:59 | # Desmond, You seem to be expressing the same faith in Isostasy that John Bryant does. Of course the problem is liberalism in its very widest historical sense - which is the sense of a secular faith in the primacy of the unfettered will and its possibility of attainment by political means. The ethnic favouritism of which you complain is only a gesture in the direction of egalitarianism, and egalitarianism is a modus operandum for the attainment of liberty. The ideological war against racial inequality that was fought in both the 19th and 20th centuries does not reduce down only to the issue of exclusion, and if one attempted now to argue only for exclusion, while leaving the primacy of individualism in tact, the result would be an aborted revolutionary process or one so ideologically compromised, it would be short-lived. Revolutionaries have to kill-off the entire status quo, and replace it in toto with a universal system capable of maturing in the desired way. That really is the size of the task. Everything else is just partial, and mostly means masquerading as ends. 48
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:10 | # Glyn: The real problem is the racial and spiritual weakness of an tired people Somewhat Spenglerian, but it is true that our people are sick in the soul. It is the product of the two 20th century wars, Christianity and its universalism, the effects of urbanisation, of materialism, economism and consumerism - essentially of the myth of progress - of Jewish self-interest ... There is a raft of great problems which beset us. But we can’t change the past. We have to repair what we can in us and live well again. 49
Posted by Solve The Jewish Question on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:04 | # GW: “In reality, as I say, we need to engage a much wider circle of thinkers - some of whom we know personally - to crack this very hard, substantially semitic nut.” For the solution to the Jewish problem look no further than Zionist ideologue A. D. Gordon: Gordon believed that all of Jewish suffering could be traced to the parasitic state of Jews in the Diaspora, who were unable to participate in creative labor. To remedy this, he sought to promote physical labor and agriculture as a means of uplifting Jews spiritually. It was the experience of labor, he believed, that linked the individual to the hidden aspects of nature and being, which, in turn were the source of vision, poetry, and the spiritual life. Furthermore, he also believed that working the land was a sacred task, not only for the individual but for the entire Jewish people. Agriculture would unite the people with the land and justify its continued existence there. In his own words: “The Land of Israel is acquired through labor, not through fire and not through blood.” Return to the soil would transform the Jewish people and allow its rejuvenation, according to his philosophy. A.D. Gordon elaborated on these themes, writing:
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:12 | # @ the commenter signing as “Solve the Jewish Question”: Whatever the Jews do to heal themselves — and I wish them the best of success in that endeavor — they have to be separated from Euros while they do it. This 2,000-year cohabitation of Jews and Euros under the same roof isn’t working out, because one of the partners, the Jews, is continually abusive of the other partner. If the Jews don’t want to agree to a split they’re being exactly like the abusive spouse in a dysfunctional marriage who refuses to agree to an amicable divorce, insisting on continuing his abuse of the victim. It’s long past time for the two, Jews and Euros, to physically separate. 51
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:32 | #
GW, it’s not “an unfair expectation on your part”: you’re right. Here, http://turnabout.ath.cx:8000/node/2750 , is a Turnabout log entry recently posted which links to a very concise, easy-to-read, just-over-seven-page summary of his views on liberalism, conservatism, where both stand at present, and what needs to be done to get out of the liberal mess we’re in, and at the summary’s close he indeed offers religion as the way out. I’m not disagreeing with him outright, as I know you do; I do have grave reservations about Christianity; that’s all I can say at present because I haven’t in my own mind settled religion’s ideal role in all of this. I admit I’m very reluctant to give up Christianity for the Eurosphere. I’ll also admit we may end up being forced to, if we want to save anything to do with race. Notice Kalb no longer explicitly mentions race. He refers to race now only in the most hidden ways. You have to really search to find them. I don’t know why that is. It would appear he’s gotten away from race as something of central importance (clearly also the Vatican’s position, of course). 52
Posted by Glyn Roach on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:50 | # liberalism was replaced 20 years ago. Your hero needs to keep up. 53
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:46 | # Glyn, Liberalism is the philosophical All. The cultural marxism to which you allude is but a Jewish byway. This isn’t a game of semantics. To have any sort of purchase we need to think past the obvious. 54
Posted by Desmond Jones on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:50 | # GW, Sorry old chap, but your isostatic, (some sort of gravitational or hydrostatic balance metaphor?), falls short, IMO. What you describe is a secular theology, (can theology be secular?) but it’s not liberalism. At a guess it sure sounds like a strategy to advance some groups ethnic genetic interest. (can’t think of who that group might be). Egalitarian is; “A social relationship in which neither member of a social pair consistently wins when the two have social conflicts”. However, it’s clear that the majority constantly loses these social conflicts, whether the conflict is of an ethnic, racial, religious or sexual nature.
No such system ever existed (maybe Islam) because of the evolutionary nature of man. 55
Posted by silver on Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:21 | #
It’s hardly been a one-way street, but let’s leave that aside. Why is it you never get around to providing Jews with some positive reasons for agreeing to a split? Are you afraid it’ll call into question your whiteness? For all the yapping you do, I thought you, of all people, might have made at least a cursory effort in that regard. Well, I suppose the suggestion that Jews “agree” to a split (as opposed to “we’re gonna wipe you out”) qualifies as cursory. Maybe you lack the imaginative firepower for greater flesh. That’s okay. Why not suggest others employ themselves thusly? Or pay a little more attention when they attempt to? I know the song and dance about government ordered, official (but secret) forced race-replacement is more your thing, but suggesting others engage themselves in different but “equally” [cough, cough] productive pursuits won’t break your rhythm too much, surely. 56
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:52 | #
We’ll give them the southern half of California, prime real estate. At five million population the U.S. Jewish community will have way more than enough room there. Five million wouldn’t even fill Los Angeles.
We don’t want to “wipe anybody out” and we don’t want anyone else to wipe anybody out, especially us. As for the rest of your comment: you’re raving, Silver. I can’t even follow it. You’re really going off the deep end. Look, this isn’t the right blog for you. It gets you upset. It’s not good for you to hang around here, not good for your mental health. What’s wrong with Sepia Mutiny? You’ll be among your own kind there. You definitely don’t fit in among Euros, Silver. Some Pakistanis manage to do it, but you’re not one of them. 57
Posted by silver on Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:22 | # You and bullshit, Scrooby, you go together like peaches and cream, you really do. The pattern’s becoming quite familiar, so I’m pleased to say I’m no longer surprised by it. But it does grate. I make a salient point, and dumbfuck here (a) fails to understand it, (b) vomits up whatever garbage his feeble mind calculates will keep him in the hardcore’s good books. It’s quite simple, dumbfuck. You’d like Jews to agree to separate. Fine. Give them some positive reasons to consider doing so. (”...or else!” isn’t a positive reason, though it’s not without its merits.) You might consider doing that beneath you. Fine. Do it anyway. Or recommend someone else does. For the sake of completeness, if nothing else. As for this blog not being good for me, I’m touched by your concern, I really am. But leave that to me to worry about. See, unlike you, scrubster, I’m not interesetd in “blogs,” the he-saids, she-saids of daily goings on. Ideas are what matter. You, and most of your commenting compatriots, I’m sorry to say, are bereft of them. And that’s a pity, because if any group out there should be most open to new ways of thinking, to ideas that can make a difference, it should be you guys. But nope. Staying stuck in the same loop you’ve been in for the last fifty years seems more up your alley. PS - If you must be snide, a simple accusation of being a jew should suffice. I’m far more closely related to jews than pakis. 58
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:28 | # 1) It’s been obvious from day one you’re not a Jew. 2) Identifying someone as a Jew isn’t an “accusation,” any more than identifying someone as a Greek, Icelander, or Sioux Indian is. 59
Posted by silver on Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:41 | # Way wrong on both (actually, all three) counts. (1) Some thought I was a jew, so it certainly wasn’t “obvious.” (2) Identifying (or exposing) one as a jew (or non-white) is accusatory (and intended to be dismissive) in WN circles. (2a) You engage in it yourself. (“Pakistani”)
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:53 | #
I don’t hold your being Pakistani against you, Silver. I don’t hold it against anyone. I like Subcons. And I like Jews too. As with Sir V.S. Naipaul, I’m not a huge fan of Negroes but certainly they have their positive sides that I do like and respect, their special intelligence, their special wisdom, their special creative gifts, their special humanity, as do all races of men — even Hungarians, hard as that may be to believe .... (and yes, even Irish Catholics, in case anyone was wondering ......). Negroes aren’t all bad, but of course I certainly don’t accept the current Jewish plan to turn all Euros in the world into them. If Jews think they’re so great let them turn themselves into them, then we’ll see if we like the result and decide if we crave the same transformation for ourselves. Until then, Jews, take your white mulattoization plan and stick it you-know-where. I like Euros best, since I am one. Yes I’m part-Jewish by ancestry, and part-white. I reject the one-drop rule for Jewishness and identify as Euro. I’m American first, German second, Jewish non-existent. As things Brazilianize in the ‘Kwa, I’m starting to see myself more as German first, American non-existent. (And Jewish non-existent.) 61
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:05 | # (Just to clarify: When I say “Jewish non-existent” I am in no way lacking respect for my Jewish ancestry, which on the contrary I deeply respect. I’m saying that ancestry doesn’t make me “part-Jewish.” I’m zero-Jewish. I like and highly respect Jews — the good ones, not the bad ones — and I deeply respect the fact that part of my ancestry is Jewish. On this subject, incidentally, I also deeply respect Islam and Moslems — the good ones, not the bad ones — and no one will ever see me engaging in Moslem-bashing. I never do it. Deeply respecting them does not, of course, mean wanting to get turned by the Jews into them. That I don’t want: let the Jews turn themselves into them and leave me and the white race strictly out of it. That’s not the Jewish plan, of course: the Jewish plan is to turn whites into them and leave themselves strictly out of it.) 62
Posted by Right Said Fred on Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:51 | # If you are part ethnically Jewish Fred you should not have any children for the good of mankind, so that you do not perpetuate your Jewish genes (however minute they may be). Jewishness has a bad tendency to reasert itself in future generations even if abandoned or forgotten by earlier ones, and as such you really should let your Jew lineage perish. It’s the best gift you could make to White Euros. 63
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:59 | # Thanks for that advice, “Right Said.” I disagree. 64
Posted by Fr. John on Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:16 | # ” I’ve not yet decided if Catholicism itself necessarily is part of the problem. I have a gnawing suspicion it is, but in my mind I keep wavering back and forth. ” -Fred Scrooby Trust your gut instinct, Fred. Your Scrooby ancestors were correct. The Puritans and Pilgrims were afraid of Romanism, because Romanism is not Christianity. Has not been since at least 1054. Talk to the Orthodox on that POV. The books written could fill libraries. Read some of my blog posts, searching words on ‘filioque’, too. Cheers. 65
Posted by Glyn Roach on Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:28 | # Do you anti-Jewish geniusaes know who is Jewish or not? I mentioned SF and Johny Cash and you lot are as daft! http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles4/KalbConservativism.shtml 66
Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:36 | # “Do you anti-Jewish geniusaes know who is Jewish or not? I mentioned SF and Johny Cash and you lot are as daft!” - Glyn Roach Glyn, just what is your problem? Are married to a Jewess or something? My condolences. BTW, did you know that Nick Griffin is a Jew? (Just kidding, I think.) 67
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:00 | #
We’re not “anti-Jewish”: we hate the sin, love the sinner. 68
Posted by Glyn Roach on Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:49 | # Well, you should look at his father in profile. But have you seen tony blair,s father? 69
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:39 | # Glyn: Do you anti-Jewish geniusaes know who is Jewish or not? I mentioned SF and Johny Cash and you lot are as daft! and ... you are doing the work of the state yourself! and ... Can’t you see how foolish that makes you? You combine confrontationalism with reductionism, which is not a happy outlook. I suspect the one is your nature and the other your limit, which is even unhappier. However, I urge you to listen more and speak less - hang around here and allow a more reasonable interpretation of what we talk about to soak in. 70
Posted by Englander on Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:44 | # This brave article at the express will be of interest to MR readers. 71
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:54 | # About the fine Leo McKinstry essay linked by Englander: yes they were told, at age 18, 20, 22, 25 they had to die, that their nation might live. Think of yourself when you were that age! Imagine being told then, at that age when all your life lay yet before you, that you had to die for a higher good! Imagine accepting what you were told, and going! Believing what they were told, they went, willingly — no one had to prod them with the point of a bayonnet; quite the contrary, they grimly volunteered — up into the skies to die, as they were told they had to, that the nation might live. And some of the most highly-placed men on both sides of the Atlantic who told them that were at that precise moment planning the extinction of “the nation” these men thought they were dying to preserve. Can the sheer evil of it be imagined?
But the debt owed to the fallen was easiest to repay: they were owed truth, and they couldn’t even get that: their lives were taken away, snuffed out at ages 18 and 22 and 20, mere kids!, in return for the 1948 arrival before they were even cold in their graves of the first boatload of Jamaican Negroes intended to replace the Englishmen they’d understood they were dying to preserve. You politicians reneged on your debt and you continue to renege, bastards! At least find the decency now, the smattering of shame, to renege no more before the heirs of the fallen who are still owed that sum which bought their fathers’ and grandfathers’ lives but was never yet paid. It is owed to them, their heirs, today: truth. Let it finally be paid, let the nation-destruction come to a halt, and let the damage done be reversed till what these boys volunteered to lay down their lives for at age 18 be bequeathed, at long last, to the rightful heirs. Yes, forever. 72
Posted by Armor on Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:43 | #
Because patriotism doesn’t make sense unless you accept that immigrants must be deported. The problem is that Leo McKinstry will lose his job if he says so, since his employers support the policy of race replacement.
Technically, it was an armistice, not a case of unconditional surrender. In any case, the first world war was a calamity, almost as much as today’s policy of race replacement. Millions of people were uselessly sacrificed by crazy governments. It was not the right kind of patriotism.
Until recently, the EU had nothing to do with mass immigration. Knowing how the London government has been deliberately replacing British people with immigrants, McKinstry should not fret over the loss of sovereignty from London to Brussels. What difference does it make? 73
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:09 | # On the subject of “preserving British homogeneity” the question legitimately arises, Why do white women take Negro boyfriends? A couple of female View From the Right readers offer their opinions: http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011872.html Lawrence Auster:
Notice the theory put forth by the first woman above is similar to the motivation which Simon Sheppard labels “Affection Beneath.” He discusses that in these three interesting entries of his: http://www.heretical.com/sheppard/wfpim.html I happened on this VFR discussion by reading this other VFR entry, http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011876.html , in which Lawrence Auster, concluding that the young woman who bizarrely got herself raped and killed must have been a little crazy, calls her “Miss Havisham” (see photo of her hitchhiking in a wedding dress): Auster may be onto something there — look what her first name is. (Pip in the same novel was of course used by Dickens as a pretext for social critique, and Miss Havisham to express a certain kind of frustrated woman’s unreasonable view of what was wrong with the world: look at this frustrated woman expressing unreasonable social critique, hitchhiking in her wedding dress, bearing that name, a striking coincidence if a purely chance convergence.) 74
Posted by Glyn Roach on Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:14 | # I was surprised to find several pictures of her in her wedding garb on the net considering what happened later. 75
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:37 | #
Yes, and exactly as in the novel, where the wedding dress Miss Havisham ridiculously insisted on wearing, completely inappropriately, was the cause of her death, so here with “Pippa”: the wedding dress she ridiculously insisted on wearing, completely inappropriately, was the cause of her death. Auster was definitely onto something there. 76
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:25 | # On the question broached above, “Why do white women take Negro boyfriends?,” this from Amren:
http://amren.com/ar/2008/06/index.html (I saw the link in an Inverted-World.com thread.) Post a comment:
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Posted by cladrastis on Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:44 | #
This article is more of the same. Caveats that “we are not Nazis”, just “traditional racialists” is a complete waste of time - and something, it seems, the British are particularly prone to do. Next time David Hamilton should save himself 50+ words and the the embarassment of curtsying before the multicult.
This, however, was interesting:
Cue: the demographic changes in the US and the recent election.