The Sacred and The Estranged

Posted by DanielS on Tuesday, 06 January 2015 18:28.

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          The Sacred and The Estranged

I am not exactly sure how these things go together, or how the estranged might be helped, but rather I am thinking out loud here, liable to tweak these brief paragraphs around some, hoping and welcoming people to think about this with me and GW (though unfortunately, not yet expecting to get any audience to move beyond the transmission model, to a participatory model of knowledge acquisition). Anyway..

GW says:

Interesting that Richard Williamson calls subjectivism what you call objectivism. Pretty much.  Of course, his focus is his own and not yours - he is seeing an atomising, individualising tendency where you see a focus on the object that excludes the self.  Put these together and out pops the self-estranging, individualising relationship of “false Dasein” to the external world we are, as evolving organisms, bound to process.

Something more could be said about that, including the fact that Heidegger’s false Dasien is, of course, a state of witness in Time and Place rather than in Truth (ie, a bit like being socially constructed, but only a bit). So it will operate within negative qualitative parameters, ie, more badly, or maladaptively, at some times than others, and never at the optimum.  Modernism, then, is a grand historical process of turning to the bad.  For you, postmodernism is the process of turning away from the worst of that and towards a more vivifying collective life, while for Williamson sedevacantism and Catholic traditionalism constitute the process of rejecting modernist Rome’s false witness to God and accepting His true church.

There the similarity ends, because you believe that reason, as a trait of the mind, has its place in a true European life, while Williamson insists that only faith and God’s grace can give eternal life.  You are right.

Here is Williamson’s original missive”:

http://stmarcelinitiative.com/email/en-eleison-comments-by-mgr-williamson-issue-cccxc-390.html

Fraser complains similarly against rationalism.

Though he correctly seeks to organize and coordinate “W.A.S.P.” diaspora through a shared rubric (as I propose we do through the DNA Nation) he proposes to do so through reviving the Anglican Church: http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2015/1/5/the-dispossessed-elite

I believe that we are inclined to believe rather, and it seems MacDonald as well, that there is no putting the toothpaste back in that tube.

However, while DNA is not exactly thin gruel, it could use the vivification of which you speak and the vision of perfection which you and as Santayana note, orientation toward perfection, a girding and bounding like rocks against which the waves of chance crash.

This is what has me thinking of the sacred, how it has been trampled by the scientism/liberalism continuum, linearity of modernity, reckless experimentalism in pursuit of endless progress. How by contrast the sacred can ensconce those patterns safely which are beyond empirical purview or too precious for the efficiency of empirical, scientific testing.

Again, the postmodern turn sees the wreckage of modernity and allows for the reconstruction of traditional practices ...and the sacral rite, the episode…all of course revisable and modified by new understandings..we can take the best of both traditional reconstruction and modernist pursuit of innovation…. but we CAN take the best of tradition and sacral rite. ..and history….we are not duty bound by a pledge to be original ex nihilo and to endlessly pursue novelty and new invention, transformation without pause and elaboration.

The sacred..going back to the wisdom of the language that Heidegger and Vico valued.. sa – cred..  ..cred.. crede…sounds like something to go by..something in fact, cyclical, involving time and cycles, which if properly observed correspond with credibility.. the ability to establish historical continuity, coherence in protracted warrant… in a way that empirical myopia, focused on arbitrary presentation of the happenstance episode of circumstances does not afford. ..by contrast, the sacral episode re enacted does begin to build that social capital and with that the sacredness of the realm -sac-re-ment (kingdom minding).. sacral episode of re-ligion (reconnecting the realm, the kingdom).
Looking through Vico, one can see him talking about people beginning in religion; and in the etymological sense of religion you can see that having truth, as you know, religion - re -ligion, a re attachment to practices, to a realm of people, particularly featured in the sacred episode, which ensconces the essence (as opposed to the arbitrary) presented by the cycles of time, reconstructing, reconnecting, re, the king (Ital), the relatives, the realm.

Perhaps the sacral episode facilitates culture, the cultivated turn, turning back to the systemic essence and homeostasis of peoplehood..

Sacrament takes evaluation into a pattern of trust, beyond the episode and moment, beyond the life span and relationship even, connecting to the time immemorial pattern.

 

I have argued elsewhere this does not preclude treating sex in other ways, celebrative or whatever, but the culture must establish this choice for people, very seriously - sex as sacrament, including an option for a single partner for life - even for however small a number who might opt for it, if the culture, the people, are to have agency and authenticity.

It would apparently corresponds with marriage rights for many.

Vico observes the sacral, civilizing episodes of birth, marriage and death. 


Sex as sacrament is not evaluated within the episode or moment, as it might be with those merely attempting to assess, irrespective of patterns, biographical details, and relationship, what is best in a given moment; rather sex is sexy; in tension between dominance and submission (sexy, provided that is not taken too seriously), also a tension between human dignity and animal drive – this is why the nerdy White lady, a bit older, with a few wrinkles, can be more sexy than the tattooed dancer. Sex as sacrament is not limited to an episode, as it would be for those who would like to celebrate a variety of partners. By definition, it would move beyond autobiography, as the sacral entails a time-line not so delimited and unrepeatable as are the concerns of the life-span. Sacrament does, however, take note of family relations, the eroticism of the nobility of one’s partner’s family. Moreover, and ultimately, however, it takes into account and connects with the Europen Cultural pattern, its history and future.



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Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 07 Jan 2015 00:47 | #

I’m very wary of talk of sacralising our people’s life, Daniel.  The life that I love in us is unaffected and unstrained, earthy, vitalistic, and possessed of grace.  It’s been a while since I posted these two videos of the annual Obby Oss festival in the Cornish town of Padstow, shot in 2009.  But apologies if you have seen them before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_YmKdcSZDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_i2rp9k22E

Here is a near-perfect example of all that I am trying to talk about on these pages ... the naturalness and rootedness, the shared consciousness of self, the comity and belonging, the life-affirmation.  All given freely and unreservedly by a people who desire to survive and move forward in the only way they can, as forever themselves.  Just wonderful.


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Posted by DanielS on Wed, 07 Jan 2015 10:45 | #

I’m very wary of talk of sacralising our people’s life, Daniel

That sounds like a reasonable concern, GW.

I don’t object to your reservation and carefulness.

Similarly, I am wary of invoking monarchy and royalty - I was a bit stuck with it when analyzing the root word “Re”, wanting the realm aspect but not really the king..

Re-garding the sacred, I see value in the episode and practice as calling to orientation of the people - a connection to a pattern, the episode intends to invoke the pattern beyond episode..that goes beyond the crassness, the crudeness and brutality of episodic judgment to the pattern of the people..

... perhaps emphasizing its voluntary aspect would help (there’s the potential advantage of the post modern choice again) and it is probable that smaller but commonly understood ceremonies rather than mass invokations would be an important safeguard.

Of course I can see not wanting to deify a king or even a people for its reification and danger.

I really don’t want to do “kings” at all, to be honest. A realm, yes.

Still there may be other nuances to tease apart..

Keeping things normal and healthy (not crazy and unhinged) may have to do with cycles, rotation and the kind of concern that you bring to bear, there might be something fine to bring out of it..

It may come back again to the legitimacy or not of “culture” ...is it more risky to have some of what James calls artificial selection, what I might call the cultivated turning back to one’s people, source and customs, or is it more dangerous to have faith that nature unregulated by re ligia will have things work out well for us?

Finally, I don’t think it’s the idea to sacralize our people but what might be worthy of sacralization from the pattern of our people.


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Posted by Morbidly Sacral on Wed, 07 Jan 2015 12:21 | #

I may have seen those vids once, but not for a while.

Of course those kinds of fesitiviites are excellent - and very European.*

I am not sure that it is mutually exclusive to the concern or the need for the sacral so much as a balance of celebrative normalcy or celebrating normalcy against becoming too serious, too solemn and morbidly sacral, weird, perverted, too special, anti-social.


* It reminds me of how European that England can be. Ok, it’s Cornall, a local culture.

Sort of like you can hear peasant continental European aspects in the early Beatles music. Ok, they are Scousers.

 


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Posted by Tobias on Wed, 07 Jan 2015 16:09 | #

Power and Perversion: Leon Brittan, Greville Janner and Britain’s Establishment Abuse Scandal — Tobias Langdon

Here’s a word that deserves to be better-known: cratology. It means the study of power. Who has power? How is it exercised and extended? How is it protected? These are dangerous topics, because one way to protect power is to forbid criticism of the powerful. The best scientists win Nobel prizes. The best cratologists win opprobrium.

...

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/01/power-and-perversion-leon-brittan-greville-janner-and-britains-establishment-abuse-scandal/


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Posted by Voice of Albion on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 03:09 | #

Paul Hickman interviews Daz Lumb, who has been a Nationalist Activist for 15 years in Yorkshire:

http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/7/250/show_7250653.mp3


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Posted by Manoeuvred Radix on Sat, 10 Jan 2015 05:53 | #

Radix seems to be taking-on the J.Q. now, as in

this article, highlighting the role of Jews in “the civil rights” movement, as unacknowledged by Hollywood’s “Selma”: http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2015/1/6/a-glaring-omission

But typically of the right, they are being manoeuvred into a didactic right-wing take of inter-European conflict:

Blaming conservatives is one thing, but for criticizing David Duke for their conservative lack of hyperbolic rightism to criticize ‘hyberbolic leftism” (which they would call enforced liberlism upon Whites, if they were more honest and articulate)?

http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2015/1/7/conservativism-vs-racialism

Some interesting comments regarding the might is right issue by Frosty the White Man, Dan O’Conner and Warner:

http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2015/1/8/might-over-rights

Now that Radix talks to the J.Q., we can watch the J.Q. talk to them: how the likes of Gottfried and Atzmon pander to the Right and instigate its inter-European conflict model.

The self proclaimed right of the white struggle might heed Warner’s comment -

Warner:
“Concepts like duty, honor and loyalty (that all Far Right systems depend upon, “Meine Ehre heißt Treue”) are partly subjective metaphysical things as well.”


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Posted by for the bachelors on Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:09 | #

Tom Waits’ song for the bachelors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94h3JEC9db0

Not weird about it or anything, don’t tie myself up first.


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Posted by flag ceremony signals primal rallying on Tue, 29 Mar 2016 22:21 | #


A flag ceremony episode signals and symbolizes primal rallying of the nation.

In a flag ceremony, a sacral episode is recalled, the essence of rallying of the few in the throes of battle - look at the episode - at their most desperate point, rallying to the flag, both against and on behalf of many, the will to fight for the nation is recalled, a sacred bond begins anew and is shared…the sacred is reborn in an episode and it becomes both sacred ceremony and comforting, reliable but necessary routine to the legacy, it is relied upon as an episode which partakes of the sacrament, the sacred, of the pattern of our people and a commitment to our aeons, our history, our struggle, our future as this union in blood, forged and fought-for, blood upheld in that, the sacred episode signals and symbolizes an expanse beyond what can be perceived that moment, to the borders of this sacred land which are not to be violated and which will be fought to the death against those who do.



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