Posted by On Holliday on Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:11 | #

A party dedicated to “Universal Nationalism” and freedom of association is needed.

A dedication to free speech should be paramount as well, particularly in Europe.

Posted by On Holliday on Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:44 | #

If the GOP can be provoked into self-destruction over race and immigration - by paleos refusing to support anti-white Republicans - that would create a scenario in which a third party would be viable, or, actually, as a new second party replacing the GOP.

A third party *now* would not be for the purpose of winning elections.  It would be for the purpose of forcing the GOP to choose between its base and the minorities they pander to.

Of course, if someone like Taylor wanted to run for office as a Republican all well and good - but the official GOP machine would work against him and denounce him, as they did with Duke.

Posted by On Holliday on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:03 | #

Let’s talk 2008.  Assuming that the Republicans will nominate an anti-white, pro-immigration candidate, the best scenario would be a GOP defeat - even if that means Hillary - *if* the GOP defeat can be pinned on white conservative disenchantment on that Republican candidate’s racial agenda.

A GOP defeat in such circumstances - with the overt knowledge of the reasons for the defeat -  may lead to:

1) a paleo/neocon fight over the future of the party, with a paleo victory and a shift to the racial right for the GOP (in and of itself, that would *not* solve our problems of course, but it would set the stage for a possible infiltration of the GOP by WNs, over time)

2) a neocon backlash, stating that the “racists” caused the defeat, moving the GOP further to the left, opening a clear field for a legitimate third party

3) a complete disintegration of the GOP, leading to the paleo and neocon wings going their own way

#1 and #2 being, by far, most likely, I doubt the powers that be would stand for the complete disintegration of one of the pillars of the establishment

If, however, an anti-white Republican wins - and the only way they can do so is with the white vote, including the paleos and red state “Middle American” white voters - then the GOP is lost, forever.

In this case, their attitude will be: hey, we can betray white interests with impunity, endlessly and forever.  All we need to do is demonize the Democratic candidate as an “ultra-liberal” and all the white suckers will vote for a neocon liberal Republican.  Thus, the white vote can be taken for granted and we can pander to the Hispanics, etc.

And, if that comes to pass, they will be right.  If “white conservatives” vote for a creature such as McCain, then they are lost.

Unfortunately, I think they will do so - whites lack the political will and political discipline of Negroes - who *do* hold the Democrats’ feet to the fire in pandering to black interests.

If Kerry didn’t kiss Sharpton’s rear end, the blacks would have stayed home and the election would not have been as close as it was.

On the other hand, whites will take abuse unlimited from the GOP, but still vote for them, as long as they are convinced that it is a case of a “good conservative” vs. a “bad liberal” (sound familair) - regardless of the fact that the actual positions of the two candidates may be virtually identical.

Posted by JJR Apologist on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:14 | #

The zionist jew Mehlman is chairman of the republican party and zionist-neocon jews have been planted in all the important gatekeeper positions in all likelihood. These jews are backed by the christian zionists, their media power, the fact that they give 50% of contributions, and most importantly, that they engage in ethnic nepotism in filling positions, and would never allow “wasps” to pull the same trick on them. I doubt that it is possible to break this chokehold from within.

In effect, the two parties have a duopoly with a single owner: two unbreakable monopolies, and no serious near-term possibility of starting up a third party.

Posted by JJR Apologist on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:40 | #

I believe that a third party backed by the paleocon media network (which they are gradually building from nothing) is the way to go, as difficult as it seems.

While this third party is building strength, its media network would provide air support, and win over existing euro-am lawmakers to put up maximum resistance. Remember that we are still the vast majority, and still have their boundless talent and wealth to tap. (The blacks and hispanics are almost entirely useless to the jews, though the white euro christian zionists they have successfully co-opted are not.) The currrent situation where we have ZERO real power over the direction of the nation is absolutely ridiculous. The only policy I’ve seen the neocons stopped on for all the Bush II years is this immigraiton bill (so far, anyway), which is an unmasked attempt to murder euro-america.

Posted by JJR Apologist on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:48 | #

OK, what about separatist movements?  Moving to a specific area and taking over?

Separatist movements won’t work. America will be taken whole or lost whole. You can’t “take over” an area because the jew-feds will simply ship twenty thousand Hmong to your whitesville in government—built-and-subsidized housing, and that’s if they’re being nice (a bunch of leroys would be the cruel thing to do). We must aim directly for retaking the federal government, and organize in conjunction with white movements worldwide so that we can tap economies of scale in defeating our common global enemy.

Remember the jew is highly leveraged, and cannot directly

Posted by Bo Sears on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:52 | #

“Right now, I would just like to have something, anything, that’s remotely close to what we talk about here on sites such as these, something that the average joe can buy into without having to feel like he’s doing something out of the ordinary.”

Speak out against anti-white defamation, smears, sneers, and stereotypes. It is easy and it is fun. Left-wing racialists never see it coming. You can actually change behavior and educate others at the same time. Do it for your children.

Posted by JJR Apologist on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:52 | #

Part of my above post was cut off. The remainder is lost, but wasn’t important anyway.

Posted by James Bowery on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:42 | #

I’m only being half facetious when I say “time for the Anti-Genocide Party”.  There are a lot of games played around the word “genocide”.  For instance if I were part of a, oh, I don’t know, particularly greedy group of people who didn’t particularly care one way or another about other people except what good they were to my people, and I discovered some other group of people had a lot of, oh, I don’t know, gold fillings, let’s say—then my greedy group might do something like go around hunting down people of the other group and killing them—not out of hate—but simply because we wanted their gold fillings.  This would of course have the same effect as genocide, but since we didn’t specifically target members of the group because they were part of the group—but because their membership in the group flagged them as likely having gold fillings—then we could wipe out every last one of them innocent of “genocide” because we didn’t MEAN to wipe them out, we just wanted their gold fillings!

See what I mean?

The problem is that the original definition of “genocide” adopted by the Geneva Convention was Lempkin’s which stated that the defining characteristic of genocide was targeting “national groups” as groups.  In other words, the killing of all the members of the national group wasn’t necessary to the commission of “genocide”—simply the destruction of the national identity, feelings of nationhood, etc.

This is _precisely_ what the powers that be have been doing by redefining the “nation” of the US to be nothing more than a piece of paper independent of the people in whose interests it was written.

Posted by rustymason on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:28 | #

Well, maybe you guys are right about a third party, I don’t know.  What I do know is that the sheeple are beginning to raise their heads; people are looking for something—now.  What orgs do they have?  Skin gangs, VNN meeting, CofCC conferences, and ... ?  Depressing, that’s what this is.

Posted by Count Dooku on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:38 | #

My first post…First we need to decide which country we are talking about when deciding what action to pursue. If you are living in the UK, voting for the BNP would be a good start. If you live in the USA, voting for Tom Tancredo might be the way to go. If you live in Canada, moving to Alberta and promoting separation could be helpful.

Posted by Count Dooku on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:46 | #

If we are talking about the USA, the first step would be to identify and organize enough voters for the election of people like Tom Tancredo or Pat Buchanan in the primaries. After you get people like them elected you push them to move gradually rightwards or elect someone else until eventually you have what you want. That is what the leftists have done and continue to do. Unfortunately, we are at a huge disadvantage because it’s way easier to destroy than create and the clock has pretty well run out. The country has been corrupted to the point it’ll take civil war and secession to get the kind of society you want.

I think the top priority for us is to gain political control over at least one country where we control immigration and actively recruit people who share our beliefs into immigrating into the country and use all functions of the state e.g. education, the media to serve our purposes. The USA is simply too big, too diversified and our opponents are too strong to make the USA the best target. When we have one political jurisdiction under control, we will be able to help out like minded individuals in other countries much more easily.

Perhaps we should identify one country where we should all move to or part of a country that we can separate from another and take over for our own. It sure ain’t going to come out of the USA.

I appreciate your innitative in thinking of a solution to our problems and tossing out suggestions. I am getting pissed off being on the losing side and having my blood boil everytime I read the newspaper or turn on the TV.