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Lord Ashcroft has a chat with 1040 folk in Kiev It is headlined What Ukrainians think about the war, Putin, Russia, NATO, Europe – and Britain. A remarkable poll from Kyiv., and it is revealing. In the middle of all the pain and chaos of war, the pollster Lord Ashcroft has succeeded in sounding out the thoughts of Kievans. The results challenge those in the West who don’t much concern themselves with the rights and interests of the folk who actually live under the missiles, shells and bombs, never mind their views. It is, you seem, just too tempting to attack the neocons and usual suspects in “the West” who, it is said, left Putin no alternative but to launch a full scale war against a peaceful people. From ConHome’s article:
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Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 13:13 | # The Russian devil or the Western deep blue sea. After Putin’s adventure Ukraine will either be in a position to choose or not, but if there is a choice it cannot be for the Russian devil. Not now. 4
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 14:35 | # @2 Don’t get me wrong, GW. I hope you don’t misunderstand my position. I.e., I’m not necessarily rootin’ for Putin; it’s more the case I’m rooting against our traitorous Western leaders. 5
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 14:45 | # Colonel Douglas Macgregor Provides Updated Perspective on Ukraine Status
{Direct Rumble Link} WATCH: 6
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 15:20 | # “Rooting against” has become more or less the default position for the cadre of nationalists who are also totally convinced of the Single Jewish Cause. The overlap seems to be complete. It’s a failure to distinguish an existential value from a political value. Here is how it goes. Position A: The primary nationalist value for nations is racial and ethnic homogeny. The West would be hostile to that value, if it claims the country. Ergo, we must support the Russians and trust them, as controllers of that nation, not to act genocidally again or to settle large Russian populations in the east and south of the country, and on the western border with Moldova. Position B: The primary nationalist value for nations is autonomy. It is a position of trust of the people, whereby, say, Ukrainians can be trusted to preserve their own racial and ethnic homogeny, as do the Poles and Hungarians. Russia is hostile to Ukrainian autonomy, and cannot be trusted to preserve the people of Western Ukraine (or, indeed, the Ukrainian identity of the Russian-speaking populations), whom it needs to degrade somehow to deliver long-term value from its war. Position A is delivered by Russian victory, or a negotiated capitulation from Ukraine in return for peace. Position B is delivered by Russian defeat, and Ukrainians understanding that autonomy is the key to self-preservation, not embrace by the arms of the EU/NATO. Which do you think Ukrainians should pick, if they are ever in a position to do so? 7
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 16:29 | # Position C: The Ukraine Government, along with all the NATO members, should immediately choose to agree to a resolution that clearly states Ukraine will, henceforth, be prohibited from ever becoming a member of NATO. At this juncture, that’s the most rational position for all parties concerned. Absent that, the hostilities will escalate and spread into the NATO countries. Poland looks like it might be the first to be drawn in. 8
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 17:12 | # Position C is part of position A; which is that the Ukrainian people must never be permitted to decide their own future. That decision is for Russian elites alone. On the contrary, the Ukrainians must be free, so no one may instruct them on grounds of rationality or anything else. The issue is not Putin or Zog. It’s autonomy or the road to enslavement. To be an autonomous people Ukrainians have to hold off the Russians, avoid the fate that lie in store for them from that direction, and then choose how they proceed, always mindful of what westernization means. 9
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 17:43 | # The main concession Russian elites demand is Ukraine not to join NATO. That and not allow the West to use Ukraine as a military base which, of course, would pose an existential threat to Russia. That’s it! It’s apparent to me the USA has chosen how Ukraine will proceed. They did so back around 2013 to 2014. And did that US meddling not eventually give rise to the Russian invasion? Unfortunately Ukraine is being used as a sacrificial chess piece in the high stakes geopolitical chess game. Good article: https://www.unz.com/article/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/ 10
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 18:01 | # Just so you know, GW, I think ‘Postion B’ would be optimal but it doesn’t reflect the actual direction this catastrophe is headed. 11
Posted by Thorn on Wed, 09 Mar 2022 01:15 | # Blinken and Biden Fold, Pentagon Rejects Poland Offer for United States to Start World War III Ha-Ha-Ha… Oh, the Biden administration is not happy with Poland. Not happy at all. Earlier today, Poland said they would give the U.S. the planes if Blinken and Biden wanted to start World War III, but Poland wasn’t going to help the U.S. create a war with Russia. This put the U.S. in a ‘put up or shut up’ position. Well, Blinken and Biden just folded, per the Pentagon:
Well played Team Poland, well played! more…. 12
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 09 Mar 2022 01:35 | # Thorn, the fault lies deep in the Russian national psyche. Why should Russia’s neighbours be neutered? Who the hell do the Russians think they are? They should reform, so that the aggression and fear is done away with and they compete with the West on the basis of the virtues of their system. Where their system falls short they should change it. 13
Posted by Thorn on Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:59 | # “Russian national psyche” Hmmm….. GW, three decades ago the Russians jettisoned the communist system; however, the USA’s ‘Deep State’ continued-on with their Cold War mindset. Since the breakup of the Soviet Union, Russia tried time-and-time again to forge friendly relations with the European community of nations; they sought to be an ally only to be met with rejection, even hostility. What is at the heart of this failed relationship? Who is at fault? Could it be the US military-industrial complex/intelligence-community depends on adversaries—real or contrived—and Russia provides a big one? Do the Ivy League educated globalists despise Russians bc the Russians are extremely nationalistic; patriotic to the level of reaching a spiritual dimension? (Russians are proud of being Russians!) Is it bc the Russian government is, as it’s reflected in their public policy, supporting traditional family values and traditional gender roles? ... namely Orthodox Christian values? Russians reject the “woke” values Western elites are pushing and it galls them. Russia kicked out Soros type NGOs; that infuriates our Western elites. Russia is pro borders, language and culture, which, of course, is counter to what the Klaus Schwab/Western globalists stand for. Fact: Western civ. is embroiled in a culture war from within and without. Contrast what Russians stand for to what our Western elites stand for and it’s a clear choice which side White ethnonationalists should align with. “Why should Russia’s neighbours be neutered?” Ideally Russian neighbors should be neutral! That is to say they should remain independent of the influence of the USA. More specifically the USA had plans to use Ukraine as a military base; a stagging area to place ballistic missiles aimed at Moscow. Russia should just stand by and let that happen? 14
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 08:49 | # “Neutered” does not mean “neutral”. It is a question of sovereignty and the possession of agency. “Neutral” is a political choice of a sovereign nation which retains agency. Sweden and Switzerland are examples of nations with a long history of neutrality. A neutered Ukraine does not have that choice. Sovereignty does not exist without agency. 15
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:33 | # “It is a question of sovereignty and the possession of agency.” It boils down to the question: Is Ukraine a vassal to the USA. NATO and the EU? Was the intended result of the 2014 coup the installation of a puppet regime beholden mainly to Washington DC? Has not the direction of Ukraine during the past 8 years increasingly assumed and antagonistic posture concomitant with building a military threat towards Russia? Point being Ukraine has moved from a neutral position to one of being aligned with, or controlled by, the USA and NATO against Russia. Therein lies the rub. Russia was faced with the choice of neutering Ukraine or be neutered by the collective powers of the West. Obviously, Putin decided it’s better to be the neuteror than the neuteree. BTW, did you hear the news the USA was funding at least six bioresearch labs in Ukraine? Victoria Nuland (a main architect of the 2014 coup) is all worried the Russians will gain control of those labs. The question is why was the USA funding bioresearch labs in Ukraine in the first place?!? What kind of deadly contagious weapons-grade pathogens were they working on? Neutral indeed!!! 16
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 13:46 | # No, Thorn, it does not “boil down” to The Great Game. It is fundamentally an issue of the right of peoples in their own homelands to live free of all that. 17
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:23 | # GW, what is and what should be two different things. Going by your ideal Ukraine’s borders should/must be redrawn. At the very least Ukraine needs to cede the Donetsk and Luhansk Regions—along with a land bridge to Crimea. That _might_ beat-a-path to lasting peace. But the reality is the USA, NATO and the FU have their sights on Russia. Their longer-term goal is to rob Russia from their sovereignty and agency. Ukraine is being used as a steppingstone to achieve that globalist goal. The unexpected consequence is at least twofold: 1) Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. and 2) Strong interlocking ties between Russia and China aka the Eurasia Alliance. The USA is no longer the world’s sole superpower. The Eurasia Aliance has emerged as a countervailing force. We’re back to a multi-polar world. The USA instigated a new cold war, and that new dynamic is pushing the two competing super-powers to the brink of all-out thermo-nuclear war. 18
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:27 | # Should read: what is and what should be are two different things. 19
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:35 | # Ukraine On Fire
https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html
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Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:09 | # We are nationalists. We function from certain core principles and perceptions, and we take our guidance, ultimately, from the deepest of these. This does not change because the immediate context has geopolitical implications. We do not stop being guided by it and turn into geopoliticists or utilitarians or “political realists”. We are not primarily anti-globalists or whatever. In the case of Ukraine our nationalism tells us that our guiding value is the peoplehood and associated right of the natives of the land; not what disaccommodates Jews or America or Davos, or works out for the supposed fellow-nationalist Putin. The sacred cause on Ukrainian soil is the Ukrainian people, not their government (which might have been in error many times), not “Russian-speakers” in the north (who might turn out, in the main, to have been Russian army operatives all along), and not “white people”. It’s the native principle. It’s the essential principle, which is the principle of identity; and it’s the principle of the blood. In Ukraine that’s Ukrainians. In Russia that’s Russians. In Malaysia that’s Malays. In Japan that’s Japanese. And so forth. We never vary and never betray that principle. 21
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:50 | # “We are nationalists. We function from certain core principles and perceptions….” Well said, GW. I certainly agree with both the substance and sentiment. 22
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:06 | # Why would (((Victoria Nuland))) seemingly tell the truth? Could it be she has some sort of ulterior motive up her sleeve? In any event…. Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has “Biological Research Facilities,” Worried Russia May Seize Them
forgotten.https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological?s=r 23
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 12 Mar 2022 14:12 | # Abp. Viganò: Globalists have fomented war in Ukraine to establish the tyranny of the New World Order The Ukrainian people, regardless of what ethnic group they may belong to, are merely the latest unwitting hostages of the supranational totalitarian regime that brought the national economies of the entire world to their knees through the COVID deception. [...] The Media Narrative. If we look at what is happening in Ukraine, without being misled by the gross falsifications of the mainstream media, we realize that respect for each other’s rights has been completely ignored; indeed, we have the impression that the Biden Administration, NATO and the European Union deliberately want to maintain a situation of obvious imbalance, precisely to make impossible any attempt at a peaceful resolution of the Ukrainian crisis, provoking the Russian Federation to trigger a conflict. Herein lies the seriousness of the problem. This is the trap set for both Russia and Ukraine, using both of them to enable the globalist elite to carry out its criminal plan. It should not surprise us that pluralism and freedom of speech, so praised in countries that claim to be democratic, are daily disavowed by censorship and intolerance towards opinions not aligned with the official narrative. Manipulations of this kind have become the norm during the so-called pandemic, to the detriment of doctors, scientists and dissenting journalists, who have been discredited and ostracized for the mere fact of daring to question the effectiveness of experimental serums. Two years later, the truth about the adverse effects and the unfortunate management of the health emergency has proven them right, but the truth is stubbornly ignored because it does not correspond to what the system wanted and still wants today. If the world media have so far been able to lie shamelessly on a matter of strict scientific relevance, spreading lies and hiding reality, we should ask ourselves why, in the present situation, they should suddenly rediscover that intellectual honesty and respect for the code of ethics widely denied with COVID. But if this colossal fraud has been supported and disseminated by the media, it must be recognized that national and international health institutions, governments, magistrates, law enforcement agencies and the Catholic hierarchy itself all share responsibility for the disaster – each in its own sphere by actively supporting or failing to oppose the narrative – a disaster that has affected billions of people in their health, their property, the exercise of their individual rights and even their very lives. Even in this case, it is difficult to imagine that those who have been guilty of such crimes in support of a pandemic that was intended and maliciously amplified could suddenly have a jolt of dignity and show solicitude for their citizens and their homeland when a war threatens their security and their economy. These, of course, can be the prudent reflections of those who want to remain neutral and look with detachment and almost disinterest at what is happening around them. But if we deepen our knowledge of the facts and document them, relying on authoritative and objective sources, we discover that doubts and perplexities soon become disturbing certainties. Even if we only want to limit our investigation to the economic aspect, we understand that news agencies, politics and public institutions themselves depend on a small number of financial groups belonging to an oligarchy that, significantly, is united not only by money and power, but by the ideological affiliation that guides its action and interference in the politics of nations and the whole world. This oligarchy shows its tentacles in the UN, NATO, the World Economic Forum, the European Union, and in “philanthropic” institutions such as George Soros’ Open Society and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. All these entities are private and answer to no one but themselves, and at the same time they have the power to influence national governments, including through their own representatives who are made to be elected or appointed to key posts. They admit it themselves, when they are received with all the honors by heads of state and world leaders, respected and feared by these leaders as the true masters of the fate of the world. Thus, those who hold power in the name of the “people” find themselves trampling on the people’s will and restricting their rights, in order to be obedient courtiers to masters whom nobody has elected but who nevertheless dictate their political and economic agenda to the nations. We come then to the Ukraine crisis, which is presented to us as a consequence of Vladimir Putin’s expansionist arrogance towards an independent and democratic nation over which he is trying to claim absurd rights. The “warmonger Putin” is said to be massacring the defenseless population, who have courageously arisen to defend the soil of their homeland, the sacred borders of their nation and the violated freedoms of the citizens. The European Union and the United States, “defenders of democracy,” are therefore said to be unable not to intervene by means of NATO to restore Ukraine’s autonomy, drive out the “invader” and guarantee peace. In the face of the “tyrant’s arrogance,” it is said that the peoples of the world ought to form a common front, imposing sanctions on the Russian Federation and sending soldiers, weapons and economic aid to “poor” President Zelenskyy, “national hero” and “defender” of his people. As proof of Putin’s “violence,” the media spread images of bombings, military searches, and destruction, attributing responsibility to Russia. And there’s still more: precisely in order to guarantee a “lasting peace,” the European Union and NATO are opening wide their arms to welcome Ukraine as members. And in order to prevent “Soviet propaganda”, Europe is now blacking out Russia Today and Sputnik, in order to ensure that information is “free and independent. This is the official narrative, to which everyone conforms. Being at war, dissent immediately becomes desertion, and those who dissent are guilty of treason and deserving of more or less serious sanctions, starting with public execration and ostracism, well experienced with COVID against those who are “un-vaxxed”. But the truth, if you want to know it, allows us to see things differently and to judge the facts for what they are and not for how they are presented to us. This is a true and proper unveiling, as indicated by the etymology of the Greek word ἀλήθεια. Or perhaps, with an eschatological gaze, a revelation, an ἀποκάλυψις. [...] RTWT 24
Posted by Thorn on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 22:44 | # GW, of course I don’t follow as closely the elected politicians of the UK as much as I do the Americano pols. But does the UK have an elected pol as embarrassingly maladroit as Kamala? Check it out: Post a comment:
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Posted by Thorn on Tue, 08 Mar 2022 10:51 | #
Do you think the Ukrainian ppl are aware of the longer term consequences of becoming “closer to Europe”?
Do Ukrainians have the slightest clue that becoming a member of the EU has with it the binding obligation to accept the prying open of its borders? IOWs, joining would likely result in the eventual dispossession of the native Ukrainians via the constant flow of immigrants from places such as sub-Saharan Africa and south Asia….
Do the Ukrainians really want to jump into the jaws of Genocide by Stealth? .... just as the UK and many Western European countries have already done?
From my outsider perspective, the Ukrainian ppl’s longer term prospects/survival/viability would be to stay the F out of the EU.
IMHO, joining the EU would mark the beginning of the end for both Ukraine as a country and native Ukrainian’s genepool. But, of course, as a member of the great unwashed, my opinion means squat. Thus the Western elites; the international corporatists; the globalists will ultimately decide the fate of Ukraine.
As it stands now, the situation the Ukrainians are faced with is to either choose the illusion of democracy and fight on ... or to succumb to _temporary_ Russian rule.
Bottom line,
The sad part is the Russian invasion probably would’ve been avoided had Ukraine declared they wouldn’t join NATO and remain a neutral country.