Posted by Bowers Typical Right Wing Reaction on Sun, 28 Oct 2018 06:26 | #

Luke Ford:

Biggest Massacre of Jews in American history.

There’s been no other event like this in American Jewish history.

I don’t recall any event like this since I became Jewish in 1993.

People will say this event is senseless. Unfortunately, no it’s not.

You need to know about

The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society

[it] was set up over a hundred years ago to promote Jewish immigration to the United States.

[and] that has been its primary mission; but over the past 15 years or so, Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society has changed its agenda to promoting Muslim immigration into the United States, and Mexican immigration and African immigration and refugee immigration.

So, Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society has very little to do with giving aid to Hebrew immigrants. Nowadays it’s just pushing for more Muslim immigration, more refugee immigration, more third world immigration, more African immigration.

[and] Unfortunately, in organized Jewish life they’re not exceptional - every major Jewish organization supports immigration amnesty.

So, in other words, they support the active injection of poison into the American bloodstream.

Most Jews don’t support this. but..

[oh my god! oh my god! Puig just hit a home-run - three run homer, Los Angeles wow, they’re now up four to nothing and they look sure to win game four and to even this (World) Series at ... wow! you can hear the yelling around the neighborhood]

Ok, so every major American Jewish organization supports immigration Amnesty; they support rewarding people who come to this country illegally.

Pretty much every American Jewish organization supports NO limits on refugees, no quotas on refugees and no limits on welfare for refugees. Without any consideration about the best interests of America. When you see American Jewish leaders speaking about immigration, they virtually never talk about how refugee immigration and immigration amnesty will benefit America. That doesn’t even come into their thinking.

So, if you’re as outraged as I am, yeah, you think wow! Jewish organizations really suck.

Here’s the other kicker.

All major Christian organizations are the same way.

Pretty much all promote immigration amnesty, unlimited refugee intake. Unlimited welfare. With no consideration of the effects of immigration on the historic American nation.

So, you can point out to me, ‘Luke, all the major Jewish organizations support immigration amnesty.’

I say to you, yeah, it’s true. It’s horrible.

I hate it. I despise those organizations.

[but] Every major Christian organization supports the same thing.

You say “Luke, when American Jewish leaders speak about refugee intake and immigration amnesty and immigration policy for America, they never really speak about the best interest of America - how it’s in America’s interest to take in these low I.Q. refugees.’

And yeah, it’s true and I hate these guys, hate them with a passion.

But, when you see Christian leaders speaking about immigration it’s the exact same thing.

They overwhelmingly don’t talk about what’s in the interests of the historic American nation.

That doesn’t come up in their dialogue.

Unfortunately both institutional Judaism, institutional Jewish life and institutional Christian life is almost monolithic in their support for immigration amnesty, unlimited refugee intake, no limits on welfare for immigrants and no consideration for the best interests of the historic American nation.

Luke Ford makes a dubious argument at this point

Ibid:

Now, you’re going to say ‘Luke Jews seem to be disproportionately influential in immigration policy, immigration discussion, in news media discussion, academic discussion, legal discussion’, yeah, because Jews, Ashkenazi Jews have an average I.Q. of 110, 112 and overwhelmingly live in urban areas and so they’re going to have a disproportionate influence… so on the anti-immigration side you’ll also find a disproportionate number of Jews such as Stephen Steinlight, and Stephen Miller with the Trump administration.

So I am outraged at the number of Jewish organizations and Jewish intellectuals promoting Muslim immigration into the west, promoting refugee intake…

Coming back to more accurate point

Ibid:

  ...and I am outraged at the number of Christian intellectuals, Christian organizations doing the same thing.

So I don’t know of any major Jewish organization which supports immigration restriction, using the best interests of America as the primary basis for immigration policy. I think that sucks. On the other hand, I don’t know of a single Christian organization that supports limiting immigration to what’s in the interests of the American people. So, I am disgusted and I hate the performance of both Christian and Jewish organizations with regard to immigration policy.

So, this guy [Bowers] was outraged by the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. I’m outraged by the Hebrew immigrant aid society. And Orthodox Jews who are knowledgeable about the negative effect of immigration on the west are similarly outraged. Orthodox Jews by and large don’t support immigration amnesty, don’t support more Mexicans, more Africans, more Muslims, more refugees more low I.Q. types coming into America or coming into the west…

Unfortunately, we have all these big Jewish organizations using their considerable brains and considerable money to inject poison into the American bloodstream just as we have American Christian organizations doing the exact-same-thing; and I hate it.

So, if you came home and you found your bedroom was filled with poisonous snakes, who would you hate? Would you hate the snakes, or do you hate the people that put the poisonous snakes in your bedroom? That’s how I regard the major Jewish organizations and the major Christian organizations with regard to immigration policy. They are filling our bedrooms with poisonous snakes. I hate them for this.

But, I would not go to a random church or a random synagogue or anywhere and commit an act of violence or any criminal behavior. I just want to be clear that there are plenty of Jews and plenty of Christians who hate the immigration policies of both organized Christian life and organized Jewish life…

OK, so I don’t agree, I am appalled by what Bowers did. I don’t agree with any act of criminality let alone criminal violence.

That doesn’t mean that his concerns should be ignored. His act was not senseless. The synagogue he attacked apparently - I haven’t done exhaustive research on this - but apparently had some relation with the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Was supporting a Sabbath celebration for more refugees, for more refugee intake, so if you want to affiliate your synagogue with an organization that has as it’s mission to destroy the United States of America…

                            - Luke Ford

Posted by Luke Ford stream on Sun, 28 Oct 2018 08:43 | #

Luke Ford Stream: Tree Of Life Synagogue Shooting Kills 11

Posted by mancinblack on Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:53 | #

Bowers typical Right Wing foolery, “jews are the children of satan” he apparently posted on Gab.

The Dark Lord is not amused.

Posted by Among victims were 97, 88, 86, 84 year olds. on Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:23 | #

Here are the people the dumb-assed right-winger killed.

11 victims identified

Authorities have identified the 11 people killed in Saturday’s mass shooting. The ages of the victims ranged from 54 to 97.

David Rosenthal, 54, of Squirrel Hill (Cecil’s brother)
Cecil Rosenthal, 59, of Squirrel Hill
Richard Gottfried, 65, of Ross Township
Jerry Rabinowitz, 66, of Edgewood Borough
Irving Younger, 69, of Mt. Washington, City of Pittsburgh
Daniel Stein, 71, of Squirrel Hill
Joyce Fienberg, 75, of Oakland, City of Pittsburgh
Bernice Simon, 84, of Wilkinsburg
Sylvan Simon, 86, of Wilkinsburg (Bernice’s husband)
Melvin Wax, 88, of Squirrel Hill
Rose Mallinger, 97, of Squirrel Hill

Bowers burst into the Tree of Life Congregation Saturday morning and fired inside while expressing his hatred toward Jewish people, according to a charging document made public Sunday. It said the statements continued during his gunfight with police, with Bowers telling one officer: “They’re committing genocide to my people. I just want to kill Jews.”

Bowers was armed with an AR-15 and three handguns during the 20-minute assault.

Wendell Hissrich, the city’s public safety director, said there was no further threat to the public. “It’s a very horrific crime scene,” he told reporters Sunday. “It’s one of the worst that I’ve seen, and I’ve been on some plane crashes. It’s very bad.”

CBS News, 28 Oct 2018.

The law provides some recourse to kill in self defense. This act was far from meeting that standard.

       
Not one of us and not what we recommend at all.

There are other ways to win our sovereignty form the likes of The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.

Posted by Luke Ford on Synagogue massacre aftermath on Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:46 | #

Luke Ford: Synagogue massacre aftermath

Posted by Pittsburgh on Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:55 | #

Pittsburgh

Occidental Observer, 14 Nov 2018

by Kevin MacDonald

In the wake of the Pittsburgh Synagogue shootings, the long-running hysteria about Donald Trump promoting anti-Semitism, racism, and “White supremacy” has been intensified. It’s at the point now that it is morphing into an obvious attempt to shut down or at least pathologize public discussion of critical issues.

Particularly important are globalism and nationalism, and the role of the establishment—particularly the media—in shaping attitudes on these issues. The election of Donald Trump and the clear rise of nationalist politics and anti-immigration sentiment in Europe are causing extreme anxiety in establishment circles. And yet, these issues are central to the interests of all the citizens of Western countries.

An honest discussion is therefore imperative, but all too often, as in much of the EU, honest discussion is vilified and even threatened with legal sanctions (e.g., here, here, and here). What we have is a corrupt establishment desperately fighting to remain in power—an establishment that is out of touch with the interests and concerns of its native populations. We in the United States are threatened with a similar situation if present trends continue.

For starters. Trump’s recent statement that “I am a nationalist” was greeted with a deluge of comments that such a statement is racist and dog whistled White Supremacism,” and Nazism (here, here, here, here). Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-HI) stated:

“We should stop giving him the benefit of the doubt, that he doesn’t understand what he means when he refers to nationalists or any of these other terms. These are not just dog whistles, but it’s bullhorns. It’s racism, it’s basically for many people it’s anti-semitic [sic], it’s white supremacy. He knows very well what he’s talking about even though he professes otherwise.”

This is amazing given that Trump was quite clear in stating that he meant that America’s interests should come first, as in this statement contrasting nationalism with globalism that immediately followied his claim that he is a nationalist: “A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly not caring about our country so much.” This is nothing more than a garden-variety restatement of civic nationalism that has been a bedrock conservative idea for decades.

The problem is that in the present context of hyper-polarized political debate, such a statement is reflexively associated in the media with the Alt Right—the threatening menace of White racial nationalism. This is more a testament to the lurking influence of the Alt Right. The establishment sees any mention of nationalism in this context as at best a slippery slope toward racial nationalism.

Hirono’s point about nationalism being linked to perceptions of anti-Semitism is supported by the views of a long history of Jewish writers dating back to the nineteenth century (here, pp. 73–76). As Jonathan Weisman notes in reference to the most recent controversy, “In the long history of our people, Jews do not tend to do well when nationalist sentiments rise, when borders are sharply drawn and identities are crisply defined. Such times tend to leave us out — isolated, excluded and eventually attacked.”

In short, for diaspora Jews, nationalism—even civic nationalism—is inextricably linked with perceptions of national cohesion, national identities, and national cultures that will eventually turn on the Jews—the specter of National Socialism. Again the slippery slope: borders and national identities can end up as racial anti-Semitism.

The fundamental importance of nationalism—and indeed ethnic nationalism—for Israeli (and, given the extent to which American Jews identity never enters consciousness as raising problems of consistency, even among influential American Jews with a strong allegiance to Israel.

A good example can be seen in a reply by New York Times op-ed stalwart and Israeli patriot Bret Stephens commenting on a tweet by Sen. Marco Rubio. Rubio tweeted:

Some already giving in to temptation to react to this terror attack by either assigning blame for or rationalizing it. No sane or well-intentioned person, no matter how partisan, would do this. It’s either the work of a demented person or terror aimed at further dividing America.’

To which Bret Stephens replied:

Here’s why, Senator: Trump routinely defames “globalists” and “international banks” and “corrupt media,” all of which anti-Semites associate with Jews. Responsible rhetoric begins by not demonizing entire categories of people, or giving deranged people mental ammunition.

There is a certain logic to Stephens’ argument. I suppose it is likely that if one took a poll of people who have critical attitudes about Jews, one would find that they would associate Jews with the media, the large investment banks such as Goldman Sachs, and globalism. My own work has focused on Jewish involvement in promoting globalism (defined by its two most disastrous policy positions, immigration and multiculturalism) and the media. The bottom line is that yes, Jews have vastly disproportionate influence in these areas. And we should be able to talk about it.

Regarding Jewish involvement in the media, there’s no question Jews are massively overrepresented both in terms of content (especially regarding issues such as Israel, multiculturalism, immigration, treatment of Christianity and Judaism) and ownership (see here, pp. xlvi–lvi). A good data point is Steve Sailor’s finding, based on a 2009 ranking by The Atlantic, that Jews comprise around half of the top U,S media pundits while being less than 3% of the population.

Regarding immigration—the key component of globalism affecting the interests of the traditional American majority, I noted previously on VDARE,

My hypothesis, advanced in my book The Culture of Critique: it is part of an evolutionary strategy aimed at advancing Jewish interests. As Leonard Glickman of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society has put it memorably: “The more diverse American society is, the safer [Jews] are.” (“Community Questioning Open Door,” by Nacha Cattan, Forward, November 29, 2002).

Of course, this does not involve all Jews, and some consciously reject it. But positive attitudes and activism aimed at ending the pre-1965 ethnic homogeneity of the United States have been typical of the entire Jewish political spectrum and all of the main Jewish activist organizations. These efforts were the driving force in favor of liberalized immigration up to the 1965 sea change in immigration law. This pattern continues into the present. (“Was the 1924 Immigration Cut-off Racist?”; see also “Why Do Jewish Organizations Want Anti-Israel Refugees?”)

The quote from Glickman is pertinent here because the alleged killer, Robert Bowers, appears to have directed his anti-Jewish ire against the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, posting on Gab.com:

HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.

One can certainly understand anger directed at immigrant criminality—at what VDARE labels the “Immigrant Mass Murder Syndrome”—and even at Jewish involvement in shaping current immigration policy.  But obviously killing Jews is not a rational way to go about changing our immigration policies. Anti-immigration activism in all its forms is the only reasonable way to change disastrous U.S immigration policies.

But it’s silly to deny a special role for the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. In a 2013 debate over the immigration amnesty/surge bill, a letter organized by the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society and sent by over 100 Jewish organizations to President Obama and Congress stated that “American Jews know too well the impact of restrictive immigration policies,” indicating that HIAS activism goes well beyond resettling refugees This bill was bitterly opposed by the grassroots Republican base and didn’t make it through the House. There were no Jewish organizations that came out against the bill.

And, as Ann Corcoran of Refugee Resettlement Watch notes, the HIAS is the most politically active of all the refugee resettlement groups

I think we all agree everyone is entitled to free speech, and HIAS can demonstrate in the streets against the President and for open borders, they can sue the Administration, they can cheer on the migrant caravan and they can campaign against Republicans in the midterms, but what is so patently unfair to the average citizen who is learning about their community organizing activities (from alternative media) is that they receive millions and millions of taxpayer dollars each year while promoting a political agenda that many Americans vehemently disagree with. (Emphasis in original)

HIAS commented on the Pittsburgh shootings in a way that reinforces the view that leftist immigration and refugee policies remain dominant within the Jewish community:

HIAS may not have the backing of the White House, but its issue remains popular across the Jewish community. All four major movements opposed Trump’s travel ban last year. More than 400 congregations are part of its “Welcome Campaign.” Last week, it organized a “refugee Shabbat” across synagogues, focused on talking about helping refugees.

It should be possible to criticize powerful groups in a democracy— to try to rationally show just how powerful they are and what policies their influence is affecting. There was a robust history of criticism of the formerly dominant WASP elite in the U.S., even prior to their demise. It was common to criticize and even ridicule their social registers, exclusive clubs, and sexual repression. Jews were particularly critical because they were sometimes denied access to elite institutions—Ivy League universities, white shoe law firms, the State Department (and its perceived anti-Israel bias) and other institutions of the old establishment. As Jacob Heilbrunn noted in his They Knew They Were Right, the early Jewish neoconservatives sought

to overturn the old order in America. . . . After all, no matter how hard they worked, there were still quotas at the Ivy League universities. Then there were the fancy clubs, the legal and financial firms that saw Jews as interlopers who would soil their proud escutcheons and were to be kept at bay. Smarting with unsurpassed social resentment, the young Jews viewed themselves as liberators, proclaiming a new faith. (p. 28)

Well-thought-out, soundly based criticism of elites is perfectly legitimate, with a very long history in the West. Obviously, fact-based criticism of our new elite does not make such rational critics responsible when a deranged person kills innocent people. We are seeing the death throes of an elite that has long been out of touch with the interests and attitudes of the traditional American majority.