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And the winner is ... So in Britain it was election day. Has the world changed? That’s the question. Have these European elections signalled a new phase in the development of the BNP, and for the rights of native Britons to their own land? Well, we shall know all over the next three days, starting with the results of the local authority elections tomorrow morning. This campaign certainly has been a unique episode in British politics. By midnight last night, most of the media had stood down from operations against the BNP. Almost. Even The Times’ Fiona Hamilton had found another way to make the MultiCult a better and browner place. Among the party’s campaigners all was anticipation, and a quiet satisfaction that everything that could be done was done. The only discordant note was sounded by our wonderfully cultured Culture Minister, David Lammy - a man who was in no way chosen for his very important post because of the colour of his skin. He managed to get his BNP-mugging done at 3.30pm this afternoon. “Vote to keep out the BNP threat” it said. Apparently, it’s not enough for Mr Lammy just to keep out the BNP. That “threat” has to be kept out too, you know. Don’t worry, though, because nobody pays a blind bit of attention to this entirely pointless person. That said, Mr Lammy will probably be kept around in Alan Johnson’s new cabinet of superdiversity, given that Gordon’s departure has been guaranteed by the shock news this evening of another ministerial resignation. As I said, a completely unique episode in British politics. The result of it all will appear in the form of updates to this post. And yes my wife and I voted for the BNP in the Europeans. But we had to vote for Cameron’s crowd in the locals. Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:25 | # It’s Declan Ganley of Irish Referendum fame, and he’s started a Libertas in every country in the Union, I understand. 3
Posted by Lurker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:12 | # Voted BNP in the Euro elections. The only non-mainstream party locally though was Green, so voted for them (no sniggering at the back!), didnt want any of the big three coming away with anything from me. 4
Posted by Tanstaafl on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:49 | # Why every vote counts at the European elections on June 4 - mirror.co.uk - to “oppose the BNP’s politics of hate” of course:
Back door? No, that’s how the “vibrancy” got in. After a tidal wave of vicious sleaze and desperate pleas for everyone to vote specifically to keep the BNP out, the suggestion that they’re sneaking in the back door is absurd. Good portents in this news: Labour braced for heavy defeat in both elections - Times Online:
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Posted by Tanstaafl on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:52 | #
Isn’t it possible to vote for nobody, or write-in Enoch Powell? 6
Posted by Frank on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:48 | #
Greens can be somewhat right wing. This is exciting! A far right pull in western Europe will surely affect American politics - ah for the better. 7
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:01 | # Excellent news from Holland: Geert Wilders’ party, “The Freedom Party,” has just come in a very close second in the Dutch European Parliamentary elections, going from having no seats (the party was just formed in 2006) to having four. Congratulations, Geert Wilders! If I understood Snouck’s log entry, the party that came in first, the Christian Democrats, has retained five seats of the seven they had, so they’re down to just one more than Wilders’ party. ( http://www.islamineurope.net/2009/06/geert-wilders-freedom-party-comes-as.html ) It’s ironic that Wilders, who is at present one of Holland’s most successful politicians, is soon going to be prosecuted for “hate-speech.” 8
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:20 | # Wilders ... 4 European seats and 15% of the vote. That’s up from 6% in the 2006 general election. However, turnout was around 40% which is half of what might be expected for a GE. Given the protest factor this time around it’s possible that Wilders’ Freedom Party enjoys real support of no more than 10%. But ... there is growth, and that will continue. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/05/european-elections-the-netherlands-far-right (In all the EU results where nationalists do well it is necessary to adjust for popular anger at the global recession., since that vote is not conviction-based and much of it may return to its old home if and when the economic green shoots appear.) 9
Posted by Bill on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:25 | # A bit of a dog’s dinner With only a trickle of results published, it seems to me to be the London elections all over again, the recipient of the benefit of the backlash of disgust and ire felt by the electorate is - surprise-surprise Cameron’s Tories. Since London of course, we’ve had confirmation in the form of Crewe and Nantwich that Cameron’s day was coming. It is now beyond doubt - not that it never was of course. What a shame the next six years will be a complete waste. The dregs of the New Labour project are running into the sand as I write, Cameron will ride to the rescue, our Sarkozi moment is almost upon us and so is our wasted journey with him. I’m loath to predict the outcome of this latest litmus test of the mood of Britain, I suspect the BNP will continue it’s long march to progress, but the expected breakthrough will still remain elusive. It’s early doors yet and I sincerely hope I’m wrong - let’s see. To what do we attribute this vexed question? The reasons are many and varied and at some point have all been aired here many times, but here are a few. The grip and the influence of the media is to all intent total, true we have the Internet but I suspect that this conversation constitutes less than ten percent of participants at best. The media not only has control of the airwaves but also has control of the mind of the populace, it feeds them their opinions, it feeds them their culture, it feeds them their emotions, their fears, hopes and their egos. If you see and hear it on television it must be true Do our people really care, are they bovvered? To hundreds of millions, television is their parallel life. Are their lives so empty that they will trade their nation and all that they are, for a full belly and and a trip to the mall? Funny really, to seek truth we visit the virtual, (Internet) for a visit to reality (television) only reveals the virtual. As a result, up to ninety percent of our people are still asleep. One can only assume the scale of pain is nowhere near sufficient (yet) for them to wake up. I am still clinging to the belief that pain will tell in the end, but at what cost in precious time being wasted. If as I suspect, the expected BNP breakthrough has stalemated, then does this require an examination of tactics and strategy? I too voted for the BNP yesterday, on placing the cross on the ballot paper I felt so terribly inadequate that this simple act was the sum total of my involvement in the process, I asked myself the question, what more can we ordinary people do? OK, this question is rhetorical, but not everybody is sufficiently interested in politics to become actively involved. The skillfully orchestrated charade of the illusion of political choice also weighs heavy in this cocktail of deceit. Which leads us back to the media. Their is no doubt this illusion of choice takes its toll on the unthinking. We’re in the eye of a cat 10 political storm here in Britain, the stench of corruption which seems to characterise our political class - is all pervading, the system is imploding before us and can been seen on our television screens nightly. Anguished cries of ‘something must be done’ echo into the night sky! No worries. Our political leaders hold up their hands, ‘sorry; they say, but we’ll clean it up - honest we will. We’ll restore your trust in us. It’s akin to allowing the inmates of a prison to control the running of the prison. (‘though the inmates have long taken over the running of the asylum) Trust us, we’re criminals. It really does beggar belief, they really do think we’re that stupid. I see I’m rambling on a bit, (as usual a bit disjointed) so I’ll wind things up. I mentioned the other day that conversations here were on a many varied level, going just a tad deeper, I feel sometimes that liberalism has made such a good job of deconstructing what we once were, that it is approaching near impossible to govern in any democratic way, how can any system provide stability for hundreds of millions of atomised individuals across the planet? According to some, we’re about to find out, for all what we are now experiencing is nowt but a precursor for things to come - the New World Order. 10
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:30 | # Bill: The reasons are many and varied and at some point have all been aired here many times, but here are a few. And then there’s our never to be under-estimated Elder Brothers in Faith. From Martin Wingfield’s website:-
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Posted by Lurker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:38 | # Tanstaafl - yes I could have done that but such votes are just discarded as ‘spoilt’ or blank. I’m not sure they even keep a record of what disqualified a given vote, though I may be naive on that front. 12
Posted by Bill on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:38 | # GW 10.30am Yes I saw that. I noticed the BBC seemed to lay off the BNP almost completely, as though there had been a conflab to opt out and give the job to the printed media (can’t say about Searchlight) As I have stated somewhere, I don’t think this would have a devastating effect because of the numbers involved. I would put the readership level of newspapers at something like 5%, which isn’t a lot compared with millions of TV viewers. Same goes for emails, we’re very much a minority on the web. I dunno, I suspect we shall never know exactly, but I agree, the negative campaign was bound to have had some impact. Let us hope the Euro results are better than the locals - but I can’t see it. Damn! that’s always the trouble - being an half empty man. PS I see Hutton has bit the dust. 13
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:12 | # From over at Snouck’s this morning:
From Snouck’s yesterday:
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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:31 | # From the Telegraph live election blog:-
No details yet. 15
Posted by Jupiter on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:45 | # The pain level isn’t high enough. Or possibly Islam will win in England. The muslims will cleanse England of:pornagraphy on TV,slutty English girls-English actresses-pedaphile Pete Townsend,atheists,liberals and leftists,pseudo-inellectuals,the degenerate Terry Jones,WAM,Billy Bragg,Jaquie Smith,Paul McCartney, and anyone else I left out. Or..one last massive Torrie betrayal…this might do it. 16
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:53 | # Jupiter, You left out Zionist Jews. Which means Jews, basically. Never terribly popular with Islamists. The truth is that Britain is not going to be conquered by Islam any time soon. There are not enough of them. France, yes. Holland, Denmark, Sweden, yes. Us, no. We have the MultiCult with added gang-vibrancy. Tory betrayal, however, is absolutely the next station on the line. 17
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:25 | # Here is the story on that first BNP win which, of course, is also the first time the party has won a seat at the county tier of local government: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/05/bnp-wins-first-seat-county-council
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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:28 | # Another win rumoured in Coalville, Leicestershire. Details to follow. 19
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:39 | # Sky News hired a number-crunching academic to declare that support is switching to the minor parties who, in a general election, would restrict the Tory Commons majority to only four seats!
I agree with the principle. My gut instinct would be a 30 to 40 seat majority. But it depends on how firm the switch to minor parties really is. People don’t like voting away from home in a general election. 20
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:47 | # From the BNP’s website:-
NOW the main party strategists will begin to seriously question how many BNP seats in Europe await to be announced on Sunday evening. The polls were wrong. The time for arrogant dismissiveness is past. 21
Posted by Jupiter on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:01 | # Gussedworker The stupidity of Jews is monumental. What the have set into motion in is the creation of of societies-England and America-that will be thoroughly hostile tom them. It is not the Native Born White Americans that they will have to worry about. Talk to the unducated pregnant wetback working as a cashier at a supermarket about Jews. They believe every stereotype about Jews. Maybe this is why so many ordinary Jews are dissolving their geneline into the Native Born White American Christian geneline. It is a form of protection. Look, there are been very serious complaints from the ordinary English about the darkie invaders-includiing the hindoooos and sihks. There have been news stories about this. So, on a grassroots-blood and guts level…there is something definitetly going on. Disgust and unhappiness will grow in England. You can take this to the bank. I think the BNP has to go a lot more grass roots than it has before. The BNP has to think in a much more bottom up organizing strategy. Hey, start with coffee houses…neighborhood discussion groups. Let the worthless Torries fuck up in the meantime. Also, I highly recommend that the BNP advocate a noninterventionist foriegn policy. The BNP should become the antiwar party. It should also be economically progressive. The BNP should openly oppose neoliberal economic polices. Take these isues away from the Left. Th BNP should be Ralph Nader combined with White/English Nationalism. 22
Posted by Jupiter on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:11 | # Guessedworker Will you please take the multi-multimillionaire fornicator,Baracl Obama and all around dirtbag John Cleese back. WE don’t want him another. He is not even funny anymore. It is really amazing, that one of the creators of the “Life of Brian”, a movie that is a savage attack on hero-worship,mesiahs and poltical cults, is now a worshipper of Barack Obama. Cleese should have been flushed down a dirty toilet bowl a few weeks into his mums pregnancy. You wanna take a guess as to what tribe his daughter Porsche married into? How bout you Freddy? 23
Posted by Jupiter on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:19 | # Meant to write:Will you please take the multi-multimillionaire,gluton,fornicator,Barack Obama worshipper and all around dirtbag John Cleese back to England. He is no longer funny. HE is a rotting corpse stinking up OUR AMERICA. 24
Posted by Tanstaafl on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:34 | # The uncommonly low turnout, rather than indicating malaise or apathy, more likely represents the perfectly predictable response of the bulk of voters who must be disgusted with the corruption of the establishment but also convinced by the constant pounding of propaganda that they just can’t vote for “nazis”. Leaders in government, church, and media called loudly for the people to come out and vote against the BNP, and voters on the fence responded by not responding. They’re not ready to vote against the regime, but they won’t support it either. This gives the regime time for more propaganda and dirty tricks. To win those on the fence the BNP must steel themselves against these ever more surreal attacks and at the same time continue to relentlessly push their own. One hurdle at the moment is fraud at the polls. Strength and fortune to the BNP. 25
Posted by Bill on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:31 | # GW 1.25pm 05.06.2009 It was the same in Lincolnshire, where, despite a focus on foreign workers in the crop-picking trade, the BNP failed to secure a breakthrough. It was these early breakfast-time results (Lincolnshire) that formed the basis of my comments 10.25am. Now this does puzzle me. East Anglia has seen a massive influx of EU migrants heading for the agricultural jobs available in this intensive farming area. The level of immigration (I’m led to believe) has been such as to destabilise this sparsely populated area’s social infrastructure - from health to schooling. If this is true, why didn’t this discontent manifest itself as a protest votes for the BNP? Didn’t some Police Chief complain of high level immigrant crime in this area? This is why I compare things with the London election. Both areas are heavily enriched with newcomers and yet neither electorate turned to the anti immigration party, their votes went solidly to Cameron’s Conservatives. 26
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:05 | # Bill, it’s just respectability that holds them back, that’s all. The tipping point comes when one realises that these opportunities to vote are few and must be taken seriously. It is unserious to use them to claim respectability unto oneself at the cost of one’s children’s future. Third county council seat won: http://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/bnp-take-third-county-council-seat/
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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:15 | # Sky News has upped its estimate of a Commons majority for the Tories to 24, if this was a General Election. That’s more sensible but still ten seats or so shy of where it should be, imo. 28
Posted by Frank on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:14 | # Why can’t the BNP win over the Celts? They really hate the English more than the aliens, yet do a genetics test, and all the Brits are 90% the same people despite slight recognisable variations. It’s really good the BNP is breaking through in England, but I see in Scotland there:
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Posted by Frank on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:47 | # The SNP is truly controlled opposition - it’s nothing like the BNP. 30
Posted by Bill on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:39 | # Simon says “With this in mind all of you must brace yourself for the possibility of no BNP MEPs by close of play on Sunday night. I am not saying this is going to happen, I’m just saying that it might and we must all understand that the forces waged against us are truly colossal.”
Is this weariness talking? I hope not. Let’s say we’ll get one at least.
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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:57 | # Bill, What do you make of this article in the Daily Mail:- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191130/BNP-wins-county-council-seat.html
A very different tone now the votes are cast. Not that we needed any further proof that there was a coordinated campaign of vilification by all the media. Backed up, of course, by the usual suspects here, here, and here:-
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:31 | #
False headline: it’s not a “far right” party. The BNP is strictly a middle-of-the-road, slightly left-of-center party. It’s not “far right,” not “far” anything. <u>Middle of the road</u>.
Too bad the Board of Deputies of British Jews didn’t create a regional support network to keep 14-year-old Kris Donald from being horrifically tortured then snuffed out by the sort of scum the Jews are largely responsible for letting into Britain then keeping anyone from closing the floodgates against. The Board of Deputies of British Jews has blood on its hands. A party with blood on its hands has no right to speak. The Board of Deputies of British Jews needs to shut the fuck up, and be hauled up for trial on capital charges of high treason against the nation. So much for the fucking natiocidal genocidal Board of Deputies of British Jews. They want to destroy a nation so badly, let them go destroy their own. Go destroy Israel. Leave Euro peoples and nations alone. 33
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:07 | # VFR:
( http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013350.html ) How come the Islamization of, say, Japan is not “inevitable”? Is there a sort of Bermuda Triangle surrounding Japan or something, protecting it from being Islamized? How come it’s only inevitable for Europe? Europe doesn’t have that Bermuda Triangle shield or something? How come it’s not going the opposite way, with the Moslem world being Euro-ized instead of the Euro world being Moslemized? How come this stuff always goes in only one direction? Who says? Who decrees that? 34
Posted by q on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:22 | # “You have intuition, I have the figures. And your intuition is confirmed by my figures. The Islamization of Europe is inevitable. Be careful: it’s a process that won’t happen overnight. It will take a few decades.” He’s a fucking Satan worshiping bastard! 35
Posted by Frank on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:43 | # What about UK MP spots? Are any of those available? 36
Posted by Dan Dare on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:54 | # I’m wondering whether the pall of gloom that has descended over some elements of the BNP support in the wake of the elections results thus far, as well as the Seachlight Organisation’s high-fives, might both be a little premature. Although I would also frankly concede that three seats seems a meagre return for the efforts expended, according to this BBC report overall support for the BNP has been running at around 11%, compared to 12% for the Greens (with 16 seats, 6 new) and 14% for UKIP (6 seats, all new). It seems worthwhile noting that today’s election results are for seats on the county councils of 27 of the English Shires, as well as on 7 of the new ‘Unitary’ authorities that have been hived off from certain counties. These areas represent the Tory heartland, being small towns, outer catchments areas and rural areas, all of which are predominantly middle class. Working-class votes, which derive from the 50-odd metropolitan boroughs and 200-odd metropolitan districts, have yet to enter into the equation. It is from these areas, traditionally the Labour heartland, that the BNP has drawn the bulk of its support in the past. It will be interesting to see what impact the urban, working-class vote (and its ethnic counterbalance) has upon on the overall level of BNP when the Euro-counts are announced. It seems logical to expect that the overall level of BNP support would go up rather than down, not just because of the working-class vote, but also because there were BNP candidates standing in every Euro-region, in contrast to the county elections in which BNP candidates competed for less than a quarter of the seats. 12% would be sufficient to more-or-less guarantee three seats; we’ll have to keep our fingers crossed for good news on Sunday. 37
Posted by Bill on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:46 | # GW 10.57pm above. Bill, What do you make of this article in the Daily Mail:- To be honest, at first read I saw nothing significant, nothing hitting me between the eyes - so to speak. Then I paid more attention to your follow-on comment re-anti BNP campaign. Yes, the tone of the report is objective, non hysterical, and balanced, (only the obligatory Far Right) BNP. indicates the authorship of the piece. Yes, they (DM) are congratulating themselves on a job well done, mission accomplished. ————————————————————————-”————————————————————————————————— However, moving on, (as Blair would say.) A few random thoughts - in no particular order. One cannot but admire the unconquerable spirit of the BNP people who are at the sharp end in all of this, with such resolute determination and pure grit on display I don’t see how we can lose this struggle. There’s not much point at this stage of further predictions (EU) as all will be revealed tomorrow. (Sunday) In the heat of the campaigning I’ve been following the comments of Simon Darby and Martin Wingfield, I don’t know about them but I was exhausted by simply reading of their exploits. The bottom line is, they have emerged bloodied and bruised - but they are still intact. A few days rest and they will come back even stronger. They sense the whiff of victory carried on the wind. They have survived the best the enemy could throw at them. In the immortal words of John Mills (Seaman Shorty Blake in David Lean’s film ‘In Which We Serve’) “If I weren’t so bleeding tired I’d give ‘em a cheer” ( As he watches the remnants of Dunkirk survivors shuffle down the gangplank of British destroyer HMS Torrin June 1940.) What are we to make of these never ending histrionics being enacted out at Westminster? How does a people get rid of an insane Prime Minister? Is Brown hanging on for his Handler’s or what? It looks as if the men in white suits will have to cart him off kicking and screaming. Being of a suspicious nature, I feel this period of political turmoil, from the Banksters media trial by politicians through to the DT’s expose of politicians expense claims, is symptomatic of much deeper goings on in the political class, Brown’s bizarre behaviour tells me this. But whatever it is, the media are up to their necks in it. 38
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:26 | # Cameron is mentioned in the thread as someone who’ll certainly pull a Sarkozy maneuver in order to get elected — namely, making a head-feint to the “right” on immigration during the run-up to the election, then, once in, taking off the mask and showing his true pro-race-replacement colors, to everyone’s frustration yet again. Cameron certainly will pull a Sarkozy, there’s absolutely no question about that whatsoever: his big donors will simply demand it and will get it. Who are those behind-the-scenes string-pullers who demand and get race-replacement no matter which party gets elected and no matter whether it’s France or Britain? They never show themselves plainly in light of day, of course, but some reflection will give the answer. Needless to add, Cameron, like Blair, the Clintons, the Bushes, McCain, etc., before him believes in nothing and will do what he’s told in return for being placed in office. Does anyone still not understand that race-replacement is not what it is being marketed as, namely something that is supposedly happening all by itself which we have zero control over and must therefore try to adapt to in good grace as there simply is no alternative? Anyone still having trouble seeing that, quite the contrary, it’s being deliberately planned behind the scenes by communists, Jews waging tribal war, “self-abnegating” Christian fools and masochists who haven’t learned yet that foolishness and masochism aren’t endorsed in the Bible, greedy captialists, hate-filled homos, various opportunist bastards, and the non-whites whom the above have gathered round themselves as allies and artificially elevated to positions of intolerable arrogance? Anyone not see that these, not some “force of nature,” are the culprits aggressively forcing race-replacement on the people and the people don’t need to stand for it any longer because these can be overthrown? Then this, posted today by “Thiberge” at BrusselsJournal.com, is for you: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3955 (In the following, what’s in square brackets was added by me. Now, remember as you read that Sarkozy was elected because he lied and put out an image of himself as “a right-winger, tough on immigration, tough on immigrant crime, etc., who was the more acceptible alternative to Le Pen’s fascists and would get the same house-cleaning done but done decently.” No sooner was he in office than he began giving speeches literally telling Frenchmen, this is NO exaggeration, that they had to either start miscegenating with non-whites on their own or the government would force them to do it. He actually said that in plain words. It’s unbelievable. Believe it. It’s all there in YouTube videos and I think some has already been posted here with translations. So much for the “tough on immigrants” persona he and his handlers had cultivated during the campaign and so much for any “tough on immigration” persona Cameron will certainly cultivate: yes, it will be attempted by the Chameleon, of that there is no doubt, and it will be a pack of lies, never forget that when the time comes he’ll be spouting it.)
Take-home point: when the day comes, as it surely will, that Cameron the Chameleon tries to pull a Sarkozy, DON’T BELIEVE A WORD THE LIAR SAYS. And never forget that to vote for the BNP is to vote for yourself, to vote against the BNP is to vote for your self destruction. 39
Posted by Bill on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:31 | # Dan Dare on June 06, 2009, 01:54 AM
I wonder when Griffin will go for the beleaugered middle class? They’ve taken a pasting under Brown and if the economy continues to tank under Cameron, then they will become the new low hanging fruit. ETA, less than two years into Cameron’s term. He’s got to get the middle class on board soon - for when Cameron implodes. 40
Posted by Lurker on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:12 | #
Amazing that three parties at least nominally outside the mainstream got 37% between them. I suspect that virtually all UKIP and Green voters are white. 41
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:26 | # He’s got to get the middle class on board soon - for when Cameron implodes. I don’t think they can do that very easily. They are very narrow in their thinking, partly because they have picked their way through the minefield of their past mistakes and partly because they are so committed, personally and collectively, to their existing constituency, which happens to be the constituency to which the great majority of them belong. At some point, though, it must surely occur to them that the game has changed, Labour and anti-fascism and PeeCee are not so important, and Cameron is going to sarko them unless they re-position. I doubt if they will have the best possible understanding of what that re-position might be, and why. Ideally, they would attract middle-class activists into the party before they can re-position to attract the middle-class voter. Chicken and egg, I guess. 42
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:27 | # I suspect that virtually all UKIP and Green voters are white. And a great majority of them are protest voters. In the long run, protest voters are no use to a conviction movement like the BNP. 43
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:47 | # GW, the British middle class won’t arrive at a point where, class-snobism notwithstanding, they’ll realize that a vote for the BNP is a vote for themselves, and a vote against the BNP is a vote for their self-destruction? How far does the British class-snobism phenomenon blind people to their own interests? I was never in the U.K. very much (Oxford briefly, Southampton briefly, various other points), so haven’t got a feel for the strength of the class thing over there. Will they follow class snobism to the bitter end and cut their own middle-class throats merely in order to be seen as non-workingclass? 44
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:50 | # And what about class-indifferent intellectuals like Jonathan Bowden? I realize he himself is history with the party (and a great pity that is!) but won’t others of his like join, and in so doing blunt the whole “class factor” associated with the party? 45
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:53 | # Fred, They will vote for a party that looks like themselves. That’s the difficulty for the present officers of the party, Tim Lait and Jonathan Bowden notwithstanding. They have to incorporate the middle-class chicken in order to hatch the middle-class egg. And this isn’t simply a question of political expediency a la Cameron. Intellectualism will enter the party, together with better funding, better presentation, better everything. Middle-class people do have their uses. 46
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:55 | # I understand Bowden was invited by Griffin to re-join, and did. He’s middle-class, of course, and Monday Club Tory in his antecedents. 47
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:13 | #
I’m tempted to retort, “Well it’s easy then — won’t the BNP always look more like themselves than whatever multiracial public face the other parties attempt to present?,” but I won’t — I’ll leave it there and thanks for the explanation. And it’s excellent news Bowden has re-joined. 48
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:32 | # I just looked up Monday Club — it would appear to correspond to something like a Pat Buchanan Republican over here. 49
Posted by Lurker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:17 | # I’m not building those votes up to be more than they are, just that if nearly 40% of voters (more than 40% of white voters in other words) switched from their three obvious homes then the mainstream does have a problem. 50
Posted by Bill on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:35 | # Middle classes and the BNP Over these last months the great debate has subtly changed. You could, and still can, see it @CIF. (Guardian) IMO, the average person’s take on immigration is at the same stage as when political correctness was considered a joke too far. ‘It’s time for this nonsense to stop - it’s beyond a joke’. To those with more sensitive radar, such as we at MR and others, had long known what political correctness was all about and what it was for, and it wasn’t the least bit funny. It wasn’t a joke, far from it. we could see PC for what it was and what it was all about. Eventually the unaware got up to speed and joined those who had been telling them for months (years) about the evil intentions of PC. Then we began to see (in spades) letters to the tabloid blogs beginning with, ‘I’m not a racist but…’ fast forward to the present and what are we seeing now? Lo, now we are seeing letters beginning with, I would never vote for the BNP but….’ I see their point…I think that as they are a legal…...I think they should have the right…’ yada,yada, yawn-yawn. So. I think there are many CIF’ers beginning to smell the coffee. You know, the fear of the unknown concentrates the mind like no other, other than perhaps imminent death. I agree, there are people who do hold deep seated convictions and act on principle but they are far outnumbered by those atheists praying in their foxholes. If there is no change in our circumstance and things continue as they are, I can see the day when the middle classes will be clammering and hammering on the doors of the BNP to be let in. 51
Posted by Michael on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 07:30 | # http://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/broken-european-ballot-box-seals-in-broxtowe/ Remember this next time someone claims that the BNP is a “threat to democracy”. 52
Posted by ScotchFiend on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:39 | # Hey Buds, When are the BNP MEP results going to be announced? I’ve had a few (well more than a few) brews so my coherence may be a bit reduced. I wish us poor bastards in the US had a truly patriotic option like the BNP! 53
Posted by Bill on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:42 | # I don’t know about you, but I’ve fallen into a trap where I am being seduced into the idea that even when the BNP gain control, then everything will be ok with the world. The nationalist’s Utopia. That ain’t gonna be. By then, we shall be in deep Injun territory. I’m ahead of myself. To the non British element here at MR it must be difficult to grasp what mayhem is occurring among our political class. Ok, you can read our newspapers on line, you can read what the natives (like myself) are pontificating about when attempting to describe the chaotic political scene. But really, you have to be here to grasp the significance of what is happening to our political class. We are witnessing no less than the breaking of the mould of our age old political system. We really are in unknown territory. The axis of evil, Bankers, Media and Politicians are in the process of eating each other, I don’t know what it’s all about, but the ramifications for our future are profound. Most interestingly, the only element of this clan to remain unscathed is the media, they are performing so skillfully they continue to remain squeaky clean and mud free - nothing to do with us gov, we’re only the messenger. Sometimes I feel what we are seeing is the imminent fragmenting of the governing class. Hmmm? Nasty! At the risk of being ridiculed, my guess is, it is all bound up in the grab for a NWO. Brown is an ailing major actor, and there’s a twit waiting on the subs bench. Ok, let’s enter the realms of fantasy, (we have been here before) a future Europe has gone wholesale nationalist, what happens then? As far as Britain is concerned, it will all hinge on where America is at when the EU goes belly up. Most importantly, who in America will have their hands on the levers of the most powerful arsenal in the world? The American Military machine. Then things will really get interesting, and I’ve not even mentioned Russia or China, or the slumbering giant, Peak Oil, or the economic tsunami that will makes 1929 look like a walk in the park or ...... Goodness, look at the time, It’s time for my breakfast. 54
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:01 | # Scotch, The results will be announced sometime after 10.00pm GMT. 55
Posted by Bill on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:09 | # Guido Fawkes on Mandelson June 6th 2009 Mandelson owns Gordon Brown to a degree greater than any influence he ever had over Tony Blair. He is in a sense now more powerful than the Prime Minister, for Gordon Brown’s job is at his disposal. The only reason Mandelson has not taken the title of ‘Deputy Prime Minister’ is because Harriet Harman would have resigned if he did, since that title was, much to her annoyance, denied to her. The last thing Gordon needs is another W.A.G. (Woman Against Gordon). So the great intriguer now has the title First Secretary of State and Lord President of the Council, the Baron Mandelson, of Foy in the county of Herefordshire and Hartlepool in the county of Durham. He saved Gordon on Thursday night by calling Blairites who were thinking of jumping and cajoling them into staying and publicly supporting Gordon Brown, even though in private they despair of the Prime Mentalist. Mandelson knows Gordon is not up to the job, knows that he is not even half as good as Tony Blair, knows that he is a weak, dithering and now broken man. Look at Gordon’s face and you see a man racked with psychological pain, his face betraying his failure. The Lobby is dismayed that Gordon dares to blatantly lie to them when claiming to possess high moral purpose. The worst thing about Gordon’s lying are the lies he tells himself. All this serves Mandelson’s purposes, for it means that he himself can govern just as a cunning old regent controls a young prince. The strength of Mandelson’s position as effectively the surviving Blairite ringmaster means that if he holds the Blairites on the leash, Brown survives, if he unleashes them, Brown falls. That power has seduced Mandelson, he has always dreamed that one day he would be able to say “l‘État c’est Moi”. Now he has engineered himself into a positon where he can say “le premier secrétaire d’État, c’est moi”… 56
Posted by Frank on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:17 | # Bill, I can’t figure what’s going on with the elite, any guess on my part would sound foolish. But Russia is sure to play an important part in a revival of the West - I hope Putin lives to be 100! What you say about the BNP is true: if it managed to win Britain, that would only be a step in the right direction. If the Brits allowed their defenses to fall after that, they’d fall apart. One problem is they need to improve the voting pool, but pretty much it seems like one generation of low defenses is all it ever takes to fatally wound a society. Solzhenityn: “Even biology knows that habitual extreme safety and well-being are not advantageous for a living organism. Today, well-being in the life of Western society has begun to reveal its pernicious mask. “ 57
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:38 | # First signs look interesting. From the Telegraph
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Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:52 | # From the influential Labourlist website
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Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:58 | # From the BBC’s live blog:
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Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:13 | # Griffin is not expected to win a seat in the North-West, but the BBC blog reports:
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Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:34 | # This is from the Press Association. Labour seems to be doing well in Leicester.
Leicester is the most enriched English city and is predicted to have the first non-white majority very soon. 62
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:02 | # From Conservativehome:
If that’s right, the initial objective of the BNP has been met. 63
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:03 | #
Part of the reason for Labour’s race-replacement policies is on display right there: the importation of voters. 64
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:09 | # Yorkshire I’ll love you till the day I die! From now on it’ll be only Pontefract licorice and Emily Brontë for me, nothing else! Or, make that nowt else! 65
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:12 | # I won’t break out cheering till the thing’s confirmed but GOD I’M BURSTING WITH JOY! 66
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:13 | # That does it, I’m moving to Yorkshire. Get me out of here, somebody, and get me over to Yorkshire! Right now! That’s where I’ll live! 67
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:18 | # 11.15pm: RESULT. Here are the figures for the share of the vote in the Eastern region. The BNP pushed hard in the East. They had the Polish immigrants, the expenses imbroglio and the recession to work with - a fair wind by any historical standards. Didn’t work. 68
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:29 | # Yorkshire & Humber result: BNP vote has increased in Barnsley by 9%, Leeds by 3%, Rotherham by 6% as the Labour vote collapsed. They have done it! Taken the last seat in the region, and will go to Brussels satisfied that the Campaign was a success despite everything. 69
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:40 | # 11.35pm: RESULT. The figures for the share of the vote in Yorkshire and Humber are: The BBC political correspondent Nick Robinson has confirmed that for the local elections the main parties agreed to put up a full list of candidates wherever a BNP candidate stood. Andrew Brons, a retired politics lecturer and long-time nationalist, said in his acceptance speech that the party has overcome a programme of media lies and misrepresentation. “They won’t stop us”, he says. 70
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:47 | # Andy Burnham, a little man who supports Gordon Brown and has some pointless government job - don’t know what - said that all the main parties must work to expose what kind of people the BNP are. This is the kind of person Mr Burnham is. 71
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:49 | #
“A fair wind” is one way to look at it. Another is, taking everything into account, a howling gale coming straight at them from day one in the form of not just opposition, but outright slanders, non-stop smears, dire warnings on a daily basis coming from literally everybody in the kingdom, from the ruling party, to Cameron and the opposition party, to the government bureaucracy, to the BBC and every newspaper in the land, to the leaders of the Church of England, the Jews, the emboldened vismins themselves, and so on, with never a let-up. Did they, the BNP, or did they not have to fight their way, claw their way inch-by-inch, right in the teeth of the most vicious, fanatical, frenzied, and coordinated political attacks in modern British history by Bill’s account, and establishmentwide no less? A fair wind? It seems to me I can think of other names for it. 72
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:07 | # Fred, it demonstrates that people can be propagandised into voting against some pretty powerful personal motivations. This phenomenon needs some careful thought. In Ireland, Declan Ganley’s Libertas only got 4% of the national vote, but might yet send the man to the European Parliament under the second transferable vote system the country uses. There will be a recount in the morning because of “human error” in the first count - some bundles of votes weren’t counted. 73
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:14 | #
There’s a God in heaven! There’s a God in heaven! There’s a God in heaven! There’s a God in heaven! There’s a God in heaven! There is! There is! There is! There is! There is! Yorkshire I love you, love you, love you, love you, love you!! I’ll never stop loving you, Yorkshire, never stop, never stop, never stop, never stop, never stop! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! CONGRATULATIONS BNP! I just poured myself a little drink and raised my glass in a one-man toast to the victorious BNP candidates both county council and EP, to the BNP Party, to Nick Griffin, and to all the good folk who’ve worked so hard to make this the success it has been! To your health, ever greater success, and final victory! 74
Posted by Trainspotter on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:22 | # Fred: “A fair wind? It seems to me I can think of other names for it.” Spot on, Fred. The establishment will focus on the “fair wind” aspect as a way to explain away BNP success, but will of course be silent about the savaging campaign that they themselves have conducted against the BNP. They won’t mention the savaging… even as they shamelessly continue to smear and attack the party. Bastards. In any event, hurrah (or huzzah?) for the BNP! It’s kind of strange: as an American, I have never been as excited by an election as this one. Really great, thrilling stuff. From across the pond, congratulations BNP!! 75
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:29 | # Liam Fox, senior Conservative MP, says that mainstream politicians may have to rethink their common policy of not taking the BNP head-on. Apparently, he thinks he can carry the day on the issues the BNP campaigns on. 76
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:36 | # The BBC is predicting a second BNP seat - Griffin in the north-west. He has said that it is too close to call. 77
Posted by q on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:40 | # I’ll shout it again: BNP HU AKBAR!!!!!! Do you hear that, Jacqui Smith? YOU BEEEAAAACH!!!! 78
Posted by Englander on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:51 | # I wonder what will become of Griffin as BNP leader should he not win his seat. Is he likely to step down? Also, for a time the possibility of a third seat was being discussed. Which area was this and has it been called yet? 79
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:54 | # East Midlands region produced a 9% poll for the BNP - no seat, of course. But in the locals on Thursday they had 14.3%. Not sure what to make of that. 80
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:56 | # East Midlands and West Midlands were the other two possibles, Englander. 81
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:58 | # From the BBC blog:
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:11 | #
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: not “far right,” and every man of us should absolutely reject any such characterization. We’re centrists, a little to left of center. We’re not “far right,” not “far” anything. We’re closer to the center than any of the parties that oppose us bar none. Let them put that in their “far right” pipe and smoke it. Oh, and .... CONGRATULATIONS, DANISH PEOPLE’S PARTY!!!!!!! 83
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:13 | # The Guardian’s blog reports that:
... confirming the earlier prediction. 84
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:27 | # At a time like this where we are witnessing, as we watch the successes of the BNP, the UKIP, Geert Wilders’ Freedom Party, the Danish People’s Party, Berlusconi’s people and the Northern League, and all the others, what may ultimately prove to be the historic beginnings of the people’s rolling back of their own élites’ oppression and of the EU monstrosity, let us think of our friend Vladimir Bukovsky and his efforts to warn us, starting a few years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcU ; http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865 . Vladimir, your warnings were heard! And they are being heeded! Thank you, comrade, for helping us! The victories we are starting to see are partly yours! 85
Posted by James Bowery on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:38 | # Around 7pm my time BBC was interviewing the Liberal Democrat guy and the BBC interviewer said that the Liberal Democrats poll better the more local the poll—trying to portray the Liberal Democrats as populist and hence the EU as populist. This seemed bizarre to say the least. Do these BBC guys believe in the big lie theory or do they have some genuine polls for support ? 86
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:40 | # On Labourlist blog:
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Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:41 | # The BBC blog:
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Posted by Lurker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:44 | # Im beginning to see now that in a sense the expenses scandal was actually beneficial to the controlling class rather than being a fair wind for the BNP. Most of the wrath was deflected (not unreasonably) onto Labour. The Tories have been the main beneficiaries of this. And those boring old issues - something that might have helped the BNP more - well who needs to worry about discussing them, lets just focus on the juicy scandal. I suppose one can take some heart from the overall anti-EU vote, BNP, UKIP, No2EU etc. 89
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:45 | # Tough for Norman:
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Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:57 | # West Midlands vote in: no success for BNP, of course, but 120,139 votes ... 9% of all votes cast. Just the North West still to declare tonight (this morning!). 91
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:01 | # From BBC blog:
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Posted by Frank on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:02 | # The UK sends 78 MEPs to the EU. Of those 69 were up for grabs, and 10 are UKIP and 1 is BNP, with 20 more seats to be declared. Am I correct? If so, when are the other 9 MEPs vulnerable to BNP conquest? 93
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:06 | # North West result confirms election of Nick Griffin with 132,094 votes. That’s good enough by any measure. That will strengthen the party enormously and confirm its progress towards becoming a genuine force in national politics. Having initially been prevented by antifascists from evening entering the count, Nick Griffin was loudly cheered and not quite so loudly booed as he mounted the platform, as his name was called out among the elected candidates. Two seats! That’s it for me. It’s past my bedtime. 94
Posted by Englander on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:08 | # Nick just got his seat. He came on giving a Churchillian ‘V’ for victory. Quite a bit of cheering from the crowd. 95
Posted by Trainspotter on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:13 | # Hurrah Nick Griffin!!!! Awesome. Just awesome, or as you people seem fond of saying - brilliant!! Best election ever. 96
Posted by Lurker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:17 | # Anyone still watching the BBC just now will be amused to have seen a Jewish commentator on the panel venting about the BNP and helped along by Emily Maitlis of the BBC who just happens to have her own roots in a certain ethnic religious group. 97
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:19 | #
This has been tried in France with poor results for the Front National. The bourgeoisie and upper bourgeoisie were the first to leave the Front National for the cosmopolitan Nagy-Bocsa and his U.M.P. in the last elections The only people who have remained loyal to the National Front are the lower classes. That’s a well-established fact. Marine Le Pen understands this and is taking the party in that (nationalist and socialist) direction. Alain de Benoist and Alain Soral have advised the National Front to focus on the “souches populaires”, the pauperized masses. The strategy calls for adopting a socially Right-wing and economically Left-wing program or “Gauche du travail-Droite des valeurs”. Let’s keep in mind, folks, that 80% of the French make 1 500 euros or less a month. The economy will continue to deteriorate and so will the social climate, all good news for what the jewsmedia calls the “Far-right.” 98
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:21 | # With a presence in the European Parliament and fighting the good fight in that den of iniquity (just think of all those YouTube videos that will get posted) the BNP will have a golden opportunity to broaden its appeal to the middle class which Bill and GW have said will be necessary. Things look set to start falling into place in more ways than one. Lots more. 99
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:24 | # I second Trainspotter: it truly is an awesome result for the BNP! Couldn’t be better!!! Well done, well done, well done!!! 100
Posted by Frank on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:42 | # I see now 69 from England, Scotland, and Wales - 3 from NI. The 78 number must have been a bug from the EU site, which incidentally lists the BNP as having 4 members at this time. 101
Posted by Dan Dare on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:58 | # It’s unfortunate that Simon Darby missed out in the West Midlands through the UKIP picking its second seat, but overall a very satisfactory result. On the European level, the picture is even better, given the gains made by patriotic parties in several countries, not least of course the Netherlands. With the new members from the UK and elsewhere it may be possible for an parliamentary group to be formed similar to the Identity, Tradition and Sovereignty group that fell apart in 2007 when the Italians and Romanians fell out over some silly squabble. Forming such a group is important since it brings with it extra financial support from EU funds as well as administrative and research resources. I did a quick tally on the results and have come up with potential 22 members not counting the Romanians. That’s a few short since 25 are needed to form an official group; I haven’t included the Italians so depending on their orientation that could make up the numbers. UK - 2 Who did I miss? 102
Posted by Lurker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:10 | #
Ah yes, the EU, its going to revitalize Europe, make it more efficient, starting with its own website of course. 104
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:52 | #
They don’t already know? What more could they do to the B.N.P.? I suppose that they could still accuse them of child-sacrifice and Devil-worship. Or maybe they already have done that? 105
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:01 | # I didn’t know that Kemp was such a great public speaker! BNP - Arthur Kemp in Norfolk, March 2009 part 1. 106
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:18 | # Richard Corbett has lost his seat in the EP, thank God: 107
Posted by SM on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:58 | #
Good. In Europe they still know how to win: _Protectionism then policy through fiat (ie spending the ‘political capital’ won through protectionism). Thats how the left in all countries does it. Note the right generally doesn’t go against the will of the people as much as the left does after it wins power—so it aint even really bad fiat when the right imposes. The USA Right doesn’t understand politics; never has and never will. It’s all strip mining ethos hiding inside a just so philosophy. That and male plaqu-ified conformity. (Bred watch dogs of what ever flag they are born under.) The US will “pull a Serbia”, on one scale or another, if nations continue to become more ‘fascist’. ————- ======= I remember when the BNP was just an anti establishment thorn 10+ years ago. I was rooting for them then. What will happen is more “chivalrists” (Ie strains of feminist liberalism [it is Britain after all]) will fold into the BNP. Through that cross breeding, the party will ascend much more in coming years. 108
Posted by Lurker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:02 | # Corbett has a blog, last entry:
Corbett is right of course, with more debate the BNP (and UKIP) would have got even more votes. Bye bye Corbett. 109
Posted by Frank on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:02 | # Look at this propaganda: How English are you? - the gist of it is they take these fully English looking people who are generally English nationalists and tell them they’re not English. Genetics are still being worked out. Who’s to say what precisely “English” is atm? We don’t know atm. And who would be surprised if an organisation like that lied about the results (eg. purposely labels a set of genetic markers inappropriately so as to falsely label whites as mixed). I’ve never had this test done, though I’d be interested in having it done once DNA has been better studied; but these “experts” shouldn’t be trusted. These videos seem to have been released just before this latest election. Whether or not this is directly related, it’s one more example of the propaganda campaign against the English and generally everyone else of European descent. 110
Posted by European Election Results on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:07 | # “Conservatives score wins in EU parliament voting” By CONSTANT BRAND and ROBERT WIELAARD, Associated Press Writers Constant Brand And Robert Wielaard, Associated Press Writers – Sun Jun 7, 8:29 pm ET BRUSSELS – Conservatives scored victories in some of Europe’s largest economies Sunday as voters punished left-leaning parties in European parliament elections in France, Germany and other nations. Some right-leaning parties said the results vindicated their reluctance to spend more on company bailouts and fiscal stimulus to combat the global economic crisis. The European Union said center-right parties were expected to take the most seats — 267 — in the 736-member parliament. Center-left parties were headed for 159 seats. The remainder were expected to go to smaller groupings. Right-leaning governments were ahead of the opposition in Germany, France, Italy and Belgium, while conservative opposition parties were leading in Britain and Spain. Greece was a notable exception, where the governing conservatives were headed for defeat in the wake of corruption scandals and economic woes. Germans handed a lackluster victory to Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservatives and a historic defeat to their center-left rivals in the European Parliament vote months before a national election. The Social Democrats got an unexpectedly dismal 20.8 percent — the party’s worst showing since World War II in any nationwide election. Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union and a regional sister party won 37.8 percent, down from 44.5 percent five years ago. But the outcome was enough to boost Merkel’s hopes of ending the tense left-right “grand coalition” that has led the European Union’s most populous nation since 2005, and replacing it with a center-right government. “We are the force that is acting level-headedly and correctly in this financial and economic crisis,” said Volker Kauder, the leader of Merkel’s party in the German parliament. French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s governing conservatives trounced the Socialists, while an ecology-minded party vaulted to a surprisingly strong third place, according to official results. The Socialists, who dominated the last vote in 2004, suffered a stinging defeat, barely clinging to the No. 2 spot. “Tonight is a very difficult evening for Socialists in many nations in Europe,” said Martin Schulz, the leader of the Socialists in the European Parliament. “(We will) continue to fight for social democracy in Europe.” Far-right groups and other fringe parties gained in record low turnout estimated at 43.5 percent of 375 million eligible, reflecting widespread disenchantment with the continentwide legislature. Britain elected its first extreme-right politician to the European Parliament, with the British National Party winning a seat in northern England’s Yorkshire and the Humber district. The far-right party, which does not accept nonwhites as members, was expected to possibly win further seats as more results in Britain were announced. Lawmakers with Britain’s major political parties said the far right’s advance was a reflection of anger over immigration issues and the recession that is causing unemployment to soar. Near-final results showed Austria’s main rightist party gaining strongly while the ruling Social Democrats lost substantial ground. But the big winner was the rightist Freedom Party, which more than doubled its strength over the 2004 elections to 13.1 percent of the vote. It campaigned on an anti-Islam platform. In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders’ anti-Islamic party took 17 percent of the country’s votes, taking four of 25 seats. The Hungarian far-right Jobbik party won three of 22 seats, with the main center-right opposition party, Fidesz, capturing 14 seats and the governing Socialists only four. Jobbik describes itself as Euro-skeptic and anti-immigration and wants police to crack down on petty crimes committed by Gypsies. Critics say the party is racist and anti-Semitic. Fringe groups could use the EU parliament as a platform for their extreme views but were not expected to affect the assembly’s increasingly influential lawmaking on issues ranging from climate change to cell-phone roaming charges. The EU parliament has evolved over five decades from a consultative legislature to one with the power to vote on or amend two-thirds of all EU laws. Lawmakers get five-year terms and residents vote for lawmakers from their own countries. The parliament can also amend the EU budget — euro120 billion ($170 billion) this year — and approves candidates for the European Commission, the EU administration and the board of the European Central Bank. Many Socialists ran campaigns that slammed center-right leaders for failing to rein in financial markets and spend enough to stimulate faltering economies. “People don’t want a return to socialism and that’s why the majority here will be a center-right majority,” said Graham Watson, leader of the EU’s center-right Liberal Democrat grouping. In Spain, the conservative Popular Party won two more seats than the ruling Socialists — 23 to 21 seats — with over 88 percent of the vote counted. Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi’s Freedom People’s Party held a two-digit lead over his main center-left rival in the most recent polling despite a deep recession and a scandal over allegations he had an inappropriate relationship with a young model. Italian results were being released Monday. In Britain, Prime Minister Gordon Brown was facing a showdown with rebel lawmakers on Monday after the party’s expected dismal results in the European parliament and local elections were announced. Brown has been struggling with the economic crisis and a scandal over lawmakers’ expenses. The opposition Conservatives are expected to win the next national election, which must be called by June 2010. According to a BBC projection, Labour was trailing the United Kingdom Independence Party in third place. It put the main opposition Conservative Party at 27 percent, UKIP at 17 and Labour at 16, followed by smaller parties. “This time we have come second in a major national election. That is a hell of an achievement,” said Nigel Farage, leader of UKIP — which advocates Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union. An exit poll showed Irish ruling party Fianna Fail, which supports EU plans to strengthen its authority, trailing its rival Fine Gael by 23 percent to 30 percent. The outcome of many Irish races was unclear early Monday. The count was halted for an hour Sunday night in Ireland’s North West EU constituency after candidate Declan Ganley, founder of anti-treaty party Libertas, raised procedural questions about the opening of ballot boxes. An exit poll in Poland showed Prime Minister Donald Tusk’s pro-business Civic Platform party with 45.3 percent and the nationalist and conservative opposition Law and Justice party second with 29.5 percent — a shift to the center-right for Poland at the European parliament. The Democratic Left Alliance-Labor Union garnered 12 percent. In Sweden, the Pirate Party, which advocates shortening the duration of copyright protection and allowing noncommercial file-sharing, looked set to take its first seat with 7.4 percent of the vote. Britain, Ireland, the Netherlands and five other EU nations cast ballots over the last three days, while the rest of the 27-nation bloc voted Sunday. ___ Associated Press writers Geir Moulson and Patrick McGroarty in Berlin, Angela Charlton in Paris, Harold Heckle in Madrid, Raphael Satter and David Stringer in London, Constant Brand in Brussels, Pablo Gorondi in Budapest, Hungary, Ryan Lucas in Warsaw, George Jahn in Vienna, Derek Gatopoulos and Elena Becatoros in Athens, Barry Hatton in Lisbon, Alison Mutler in Bucarest, Romania, Keith Moore and Malin Rising in Stockholm and Veselin Toshkov in Sofia, Bulgaria, contributed to this report. 111
Posted by Michael on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:14 | # That was a good result for the BNP, a “breakthrough” in fact. Almost a million Britons voted for them in this election, a number that is likely to grow with each cycle. The fact that they have 2 MEPs is not the most important thing as they won’t make much difference in the EU parliament. What they will do, and this is important, is spread the meme. The Establishment, Plan A (demonisation in tandem with blank-out) having been a failure, will be forced to try to develop pro-destruction arguments and to deploy them in public. And when they do so, on a relatively even playing field, the voters will be able to make a clear decision - extinction or survival? This is the debate that should have taken place in the 1950s, and I suspect it never even took place behind closed doors. 112
Posted by Frank on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:24 | # Here‘s another hit piece attack on whites. We’re a hairy race/suprarace and so this makes our women feel insecure about that reality. It’s also an excuse to show private body parts - a chance to make us more degenerate… Here‘s an attack on Russian “hate”, Russia being arguably the best friend European peoples have at the moment. Another attack on Russia, and there are others. It’s also anti-Jewish and pro-Muslim, so presumably he’s a Muslim. He also has “Merchants of Cool” hosted which is actually a great video series (found here). I guess he’s just a confused Muslim then. But whoever made the videos questioning English purity is very dangerous. That’s a front y’all should defend furiously! 113
Posted by Wandrin on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:39 | # Phew! The enemy played it very well by putting *massive* media pressure on people to not vote BNP while at the same time providing a well promoted way out from that pressure via UKIP… but not quite well enough. Phew again - plus good news from other parts of Europe too. Time to regrow some finger nails. 114
Posted by Bill on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:43 | # Friedrich Braun wrote: ‘all the main parties must work to expose what kind of people the BNP are.’
The people are gradually understanding the loathing contempt with which the establishment regard them. After much bewildered soul searching the people deny this assertion, then it dawns their own elites are their enemy. There are millions out there who have yet to discoverer this, but discover it they will. 115
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:08 | # Friedrich, France and England are not simply 22 miles apart. We had our revolution almost 150 years before they did, and Pitt the Younger was in office and developing a new Tory politics predicated on stability and freedom five years before 1789. I really don’t think the NF decline holds lessons for us. The electoral strategy of the BNP requires that, to enter government, it must win certainly a third of the popular vote. The Times writes:
The Labour/LibDem/Green vote totals 38%. The Tory/UKIP vote totals 44%. This latter, under a failing Cameron government, is a bank that cannot be left unrobbed because the BNP needs a 25% increase on its present 8% vote share. In any case, the BNP must represent the entire country. The English are not majority socialist, or Hugh Gaitskill would not have been defeated in 1951 and Michael Foot in 1983. If Griffin cannot recognise this reality, he will doom his party, and quite probably the English people with it. The stakes are far too high to play any National Socialist bullshit games. 116
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:16 | # Congratulations to the Guardian for the first naval-gaze: ... written by an Indian. 117
Posted by Raskolnikov on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:31 | # guessedworker- “East Midlands region produced a 9% poll for the BNP - no seat, of course. But in the locals on Thursday they had 14.3%. Not sure what to make of that. “ I stood for a council seat in the East Midlands and got 14%. You have to remember that we only stood in our strongest areas (about half the seats in my city) and they (rather optimistically) extrapolated from those results that we may get 14% across the region. The results tonight have inspired me to redouble my efforts for the next local elections. I hope other MR readers not currently involved will be similairly minded. 118
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:39 | # The finishing sentiment of Mark Mardell in his BBC column: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2009/06/eurosceptics_triumphant.html
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Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:41 | # Thanks for the explanation, Raskolnikov I hope other MR readers not currently involved will be similairly minded. I really don’t think they would want me in the party! 120
Posted by Englander on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:54 | # It’s quite clear that many voters took the safe options and voted for UKIP, greens and other useless parties. But as we all know, the voter turnout was low. What does that tell us? I think it tells us that there are a lot of people out there with no time for liblabcon, but who also didn’t see any of the safe protest parties as worth voting for. At this time they weren’t ready to chose the BNP, but that’s a lot of confused and dissatisfied people without a party to call their own. Those are people who could potentially be reached over time. A lot of voters in this election would have been party faithfuls and people who wanted to thwart the BNP, but it’s clear that only a minority of the voting public are so inclined. This is a good result. The wheels are grinding into motion and this is only the beginning. 121
Posted by Bill on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:10 | # The Middles classes. Whenever reading about the middle classes, both in America and Britain it is the same story. By design, the middle classes are being systematically destroyed by over regulation, inflation, and taxation. Add to this, falling property values, falling pensions, erosion of pay and assets, then the picture for the middle classes becomes bleak - extinction in fact. All done as a matter of government policy design. The inevitable conclusion to be drawn from this is, the existing middle classes are the poor of tomorrow, therefore becoming ripe for harvesting into the BNP. (or white camp) Add to this the fact that the middle classes have yet to feel the real pain of immigration or job replacement or the phenomena of white flight and the picture becomes even grimmer. With the worsening (according to the pundits) economic situation (maybe hyper inflation) the plight of the middle classes looks grim indeed. It is as I unfold these scenarios that my idea that the conversation elevates to a higher level becomes self evident. All in all, I think it increasingly adds up to greater gravitation of the people to the nationalist core. Maybe Jame Bowery has some thought. 122
Posted by Raskolnikov on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:08 | # Guessedworker- “I really don’t think they would want me in the party! “ I can’t think why not. Reading today’s Guardian threads about the BNP had me missing the comments you used to make as ‘ordinary’. Shame you don’t post there anymore. 123
Posted by Red Mercury on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:43 | # The US will “pull a Serbia”, on one scale or another, if nations continue to become more ‘fascist’. Agreed. It’s only a matter of time, I think, before a US regime sends bombers and “American” (= blacks, hispanics) occupation troops. That is, if it can afford to do so. When that happens it will further exacerbate American racial and political divides and place US WNs and conservatives in the position of choosing sides. It will be interesting to watch. 124
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:49 | # Raskolnikov, I think I would be considered too doubtful of Inevitablism and nativism, and far too antipathetic to the fascist fantasy to which most of these guys have adhered at one time or another (Wingfield excepted). At one and the same time MR would be thought too strong a meat and too inconviently anti-semitic for today’s BNP - that is the accomodation that NG has made with the devil in order to campaign. I don’t resent him that. It is working. Specifically, I have retailed the widespread belief on the radical right and elsewhere that there are MI5 agents at the top of the party, and we still do not know whether it has been set-up to fail - we won’t know if there is a plug to be pulled until it is! I have critiqued the clique-like way in which things are arranged at the top. I was also sympathetic to the EiE criticism that Collett and Harnam are damaged goods. I argued that Griffin displayed character flaws in his handling of the EiE affair. I have argued that the concentration on Islam was flawed. I have argued that a strategy of re-moralising is slower-acting but far more effective than making ideological accomodations. I have told Simon Darby on his blog (he does not publish every comment I make now) that the party has both to intellectualise and attract activists from the middle-class who have nothing whatever to do with the bad old days. None of this would be welcome, I’m sure. But I can’t stop thinking just for them. 125
Posted by James Bowery on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:58 | # Bill, there are 3 reasonable positions corresponding to 3 degrees of radicalism: 1) Within the current political paradigm, promote programs that convert CO2 to high protein food via algae. This will re-route government programs from simply buying votes in the guise of “public works” to genuine job creation that will more sustainably favor the middle class while defusing the CO2 debate. (The US emits 6Gmetrictons/year of CO2. Think about that in terms of biomass and the kind of public works it generates.) 2) Within the new political paradigm, focus all rhetoric solely on citizens dividends funded by replacing taxes on economic activity with a tax on the net liquidation value of assets at short term treasury rates. This takes care of the economy, immigration and the middle class instantaneously. 3) Within the revolutionary paradigm, form local militias prepared to mutually defend the people against impositions by illegitimate governments—my preference being, of course, the Actuarial Militia which, instead of taxing net liquidation value of assets, collects adjustable premiums for militia insured property rights, and instead of paying citizens dividends in fiat money pays dividends in militia issued scrip. I don’t know how much more clearly I can state it. 126
Posted by danielj on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:07 | #
You need to go lay the smack down on the commenters there. They are horribly revolting and nobody is opposing the nonsense. 127
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:14 | #
I don’t think anyone is advocating “National Socialism bullshit games” - whatever that means. I said nationalist and socialist, not quite the same thing. Britons will choose their own path without copying some foreign model. I note that so far the B.N.P. has progressed rather nicely appealing to the lower-middle class. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I also note that successful ethno-parties on the continent attract the same socio-economic niche. This has been the historical pattern: middle and lower-middle classes. If it’s not broken, the B.N.P. shouldn’t fix it. I think that they should continue attacking capitalism from the Right and speaking about old-fashioned moral values. It’s also called Right-wing populism. I know that that’s what I would do if I were in politics. Ah, and Islamification is a beautiful topic, too. 128
Posted by Frank on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:37 | # I think he means to reject particular attachment to NS when it gets in the way of primary objectives, ie. racial survival. Economic appeals should be made as they appeal to voters. Economics often don’t even really matter at least compared with other issues. If a populace wants a free market, consider campaigning on it. Give voters what they want on expendable topics while remaining focused on the most important topics. Another example: if a populace doesn’t like the death penalty, remove it - who cares about an issue like that? That’s my interpretation - couldn’t resist posting it… 129
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:57 | # Yes, Frank. Intellectually, British nationalism was, to varying degrees, fascist from Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists through to Griffin’s ascession to the leadership of the BNP in 1999. He has pursued electability, which meant moving away from the prior manifestations of nationalist feeling. But what has happened since, I guess, the late 80s/early 90s has been a growing awareness that we Europeans are under an existential threat - a genetic threat - that forms quite a different motivation to the anti-Jewish, anti-democratic, anti-egalitarian impulses that fuelled earlier movements. In imperative terms, dealing with an existential threat surpasses promotion of political ideological preferences. We have to answer the question of our age, not that of another age, and people whose real interest has never shifted from the latter are only temporary friends. I suspect that the press is right that some members of the BNP leadership are indeed only temporary friends, and that, and not just the electability issue, may be a reason why the language the party employs is so often weak and unconvincing. 130
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:15 | #
I wholly disagree with that statement and moreover have never read or heard one single word written or spoken by anyone connected with the BNP that seemed “weak and unconvincing.” Attacks on the BNP coming from this blog always puzzle me and cause me distress. I’m sure it’s because I’m not British and therefore am missing something. 131
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:04 | # Is your complaint that they’re not racialist enough, GW? How would that go down with the average Frankfurt School indoctrinated lemming? Not to mention the hostile media. They’re already going completely bonkers on rAYcism in the BNP. 132
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:08 | # That works for issues that don’t concern ultimate interests, Frank. Sometimes you’ve got to save (or at least try) people despite themselves. 133
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:14 | # Fred, Listen to the wriggling going on here: http://simondarby.blogspot.com/2009/06/tuesday-morning-goodies.html That’s what comes of lacking an ontologically nationalist foundation. It should be possible to answer the media on race, repatriation and membership in the most moral tones. But they can’t. The question is: is that wholly because they have to present a black-friendly face so they don’t get slaughtered for their “racism”, or is that because they are only aware of fascist nationalism - the politics that dare not speak its name? 134
Posted by BNP on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:17 | # Firstly, ‘winning’ is about more than just posting on blogs. Secondly, as it pertains to Britain, GW wants the British people racially saved but doesn’t want politics spilling over into that other thing. Thirdly, some BNP-ers do. Fourthly, for this reason BNP leaders have to choose their words carefully. Fifthly, such carefully chosen words give the impression that BNP leaders might not be serious about repatriation. 135
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:09 | # Friedrich, Correct me if I am wrong, but fascism was not racist prior to National Socialism. It was a reaction to liberalism’s model of socialism with its egalitarian focus. Mussolini’s call for a politics capable of making “a clean sweep” was for then. Neither Mussolini nor Hitler nor, as far as I can see, any of the intellectuals of that era were even aware of, much less reactive to, any existential threat to their respective people. We are staring down an entirely new barrel, as you yourself acknowledge when you distinguish ultimate from proximate interests. Neither the Italian nor German political models made that distinction. We must. I tend to the view that the lack of moral and ideological clarity in Griffin’s words, and the consequent ease with which interviewers can put him on the back foot, is at least in part due to us having failed as a movement to develop a discourse of ontological nationalism. If I am wrong about all this, and ontology does not matter, then I will give up this obsession. But I can see no evidence of being wrong. I can see Griffin’s discomfort. I can see wide-open goals that are too often missed. I want to hear Griffin round on his persecutors with superior moral power. He knows it’s there. He talks about justice and righteousness. With a little effort he would unearth the moral principles of ethnic survival and ethnic interest - fundamental principles for life itself. Then the tables might be turned on the media aggressors, and the immorality of their principles and the authentic racism of their accusations might be exposed. BNP. Thirdly, some BNP-ers do. While “that other thing” lurks in the background, the media taunters and haters will always feel they have a point. And they might. 136
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:02 | # This kind of behaviour is solely a product of the conviction that moral superiority attaches to anti-fascism:- http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/09/nick-griffin-bnp-pelted-eggs Here’s the event as it occurred. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZxbE4QWXSk&feature=player_embedded Here it is with the addition of the voice of Donna Guthrie, a black activist, being interviewed by John Sopel of the BBC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091727.stm The only way to kill this behaviour is to attack its immorality and cause a cost to the Establishment who associates with these creeps and, indeed, furnishes them with plenty of money. 137
Posted by Red Mercury on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:26 | # The only way to kill this behaviour is to use the exact same tactics against Afro-activists, ‘anti-fascist’ fascists, and Muslim militants. 138
Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:51 | #
You mean it doesn’t? There’s news. http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/a_discussion_with_northerner_and_desmond/ 139
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:29 | # Touche, Desmond. But here is the list of our morally superiors whom I have in mind:- 140
Posted by Facsists on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:58 | # The only way to kill this behaviour is to use the exact same tactics against Afro-activists, ‘anti-fascist’ fascists, and Muslim militants. In time, perhaps. But it’s a poor opening gambit. 141
Posted by SM on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:04 | #
Never run like that—it makes you look weak—thus leading to more, next time. Fighting back—and even losing—would have been better. ...And then a nice speech/statement back at the mic, carpe diem style “[see what we mean—the ‘injustice’? etc]”. 142
Posted by q on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:42 | #
http://in.truveo.com/bnp-leader-nick-griffin-is-pelted-with-eggs/id/4244525261 That spectacle evidences how self hating white liberals behave at their nauseating best. How much do you want to bet David Carradine was a liberal? 143
Posted by Dan Dare on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:49 | # GW wrote:
In truth GW, I just can’t see how in 2009 doing what you propose would present a way forward for Griffin, or for the BNP, or for the cause of ethno-nationalism in Britain. Although present conditions are dire and would have seemed fantastically improbable to most observers merely a generation or two ago (Enoch Powell was derided as a fabulist when he forecast a BME population of 4 million for the year 2000), the harsh reality is that they are not yet nearly dire enough. Like the proverbial frogs in the slowly-heating cauldron the mass of the public has, through a combination of its social conditioning and institutionalised apathy, managed to accommodate itself more-or-less comfortably as each successive way-station has been reached on the path to demographic oblivion – the ‘creeping normalcy’ phenomenon. The ability to visualise the eventual denouément is given only to a few, and I believe that Griffin is among them. But I also believe that the political calculus is correct in assuming that the likely endgame is so incredible that only those few ‘renegades’ who have somehow evaded or otherwise transcended the aforementioned social conditioning can, in the short- and the medium-term, bring themselves to believe in its possibility. Those who like Enoch expect too much of their audience and present their prognostications in apocalyptic terms will be denounced as the prophet who ”… is despised in his own country, and in his own house, and among his own kindred.’ We all what happened to Enoch. My own view is that it will probably take another generation until the direness assumes such proportions that a Powellite message can be transmitted in the clear, received and understood by a critical mass of the indigenous population. There could be a minor seismic event when the results of the 2011 Census are announced since this will almost certainly confirm that the BME population had doubled in ten years. That will certainly assist the cause, but is unlikely to precipitate a significant tipping point. I’d also suggest (and I know you’ve been agitating along these lines as well) that one of the most crucial objectives for the BNP should be to attract some leading figures on the intellectual right into its circle of allies. I’d even propose that this is a more important goal in the short-term (say next five years) than dwelling on the all-too-likely outcome of the race-replacement strategy should that be permitted to run its course. I’m thinking of people like, for example, the demographer David Coleman at Oxford. He has published a very impressive paper on what he terms ‘The Third Demographic Transition’ which goes a long way towards providing an academically-defensible and intellectually-sound foundation for the argument that the policies being pursued by the managerial elite across the EU will result in our ethnic demise. Having somebody like Coleman on the team to transmit this message will be far more effective, I’d suggest, than giving the job to a politician, even one with the intellectual equipment of a Nick Griffin. I don’t think Coleman’s paper is available on free-view; I got it via my college’s Jstor subscription, if you would like a copy please email. 144
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:15 | # What do you propose, GW? Can you envisage all that you want without adopting measure of authoritarianism (let’s not call it fascism, since you have an aversion to the term)? How would you deal with the human rights commission and the entire anti-racism apparatus put in place over the last four decades? How would you repatriate migrants and their descendants? How will Britons react when their friends and neighbors are rounded it up for deportation? I can already imagine the mass hysteria, the hunger strikes, the asylum-seekers hiding inside churches, the crying children shown on t.v. 24/7, the international condemnations, the economic boycotts. Did I miss anything? How do you deport people en masse? It can be done (at it has been done countless times in recent history and in peace time, too), but not within the current liberal paradigm. What’s the alternative to the liberal paradigm? Small “c” conservatism? I can’t see Cameron (or Thatcher) doing what’s needed. All that small “c” conservatives can do is to prolong the agony. Conservative are very good at that. Historically, they only offer a degree of resistance to what’s in the process of occurring. In sum, they might, might slow down our decline but not do anything to turn the tide and reverse it. They’re too genteel and sensible. I regard them as being firmly ensconced inside the liberal paradigm. I honestly don’t see a way out without an authoritarian racialist ethno-state. Now, we can debate what shape or structure such as state would take but I don’t see an alternative. Frank Salter, and nobody can accuse him of harboring National Socialist sympathies, writes that that form of government was very effective in advancing the ethnic genetic interests of Germans. As you know, in his view there’s nothing more moral than the protection and advancement of the genetic interests of one’s Volk. In that sense, the National Socialist regime was the most moral that the world has ever known. What would you want the B.N.P. to do know? What line should they adopt? I’m really curious because these are issues I struggle with myself. 145
Posted by Captainchaos on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:54 | # One of the reasons I assume GW recommends a thoroughgoing philosophically informed reeducation of the masses is that he believes that nativism and inevitablism juxtaposed with the liberal zeitgeist will not provide sufficient psychological traction to expel racial aliens. Also, he believes the uniformed, marching fetishizing of our obvious racial superiority is in opposition to the humility and civility which are indispensable ingredients of what is inherently morally excellent in us according to our Nature. So, obviously, he cannot therefore eschew teleology and idealism. It is just his teleology, his idealism, or perhaps even his correct or incorrect take on what is in fact morally excellent in us in fact. (He clearly believes these traits of moral excellence are more prevalent in the English, as opposed to say “Krauts”, because though he states that “Krauts” and the English are essentially the same people, he would not agree to a massive gene swap between the two, since he clearly believes something would be lost, e.g., English moral superiority over and above “Krauts”. So, he is implicitly an English supremacist, thought he believes the “world made England” is a much more benign, life affirming supremacism - for certainly the English firstly, as well as for all - than “Kraut” supremacism.) 146
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:13 | # Why does everything has to be reduced to English vs. Krauts around here? Totally irrelevant today. I asked GW for his vision for his land and people. I want to know how he plans to get there. 147
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:07 | # Herr Braun, Salter suggests that fascism was an over-investment in biological group interests at the expense of individual and foreign interests. And, that an “ethnicised constitution resulting in catastrophes such as Nazi Germany initiated, that would be sufficient reason to abandon the idea altogether.” One must realise, of course, that Salter is an Australian and no doubt loyal to his ethnic interests. The English (and their Diasporas) notion of individualism differs from the German notion. German individualism is tied to the group. English individualism is bourgeois and linked to class/capital/property. English “individual liberty is limited if the freedoms which it entails pose a threat to the prevailing capitalist system.” German individualism “limit(s) its own freedom out of respect for the freedom of the other.” 148
Posted by Dan Dare on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:41 | # This looks like it could be shaping up into an interesting discussion, and I’m wondering whether it might be feasible to hive off the last several postings into a separate thread. 149
Posted by Wandrin on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:46 | # National Socialism, class etc. The people currently most directly harmed by the ongoing attempted genocide are the working class. They’re the ones who can see what is hidden from the TV screens because they see it happen in their own streets with their own eyes. I believe any attempt at a nationalist revolution has to grow in that soil first. The centre of gravity of nationalist parties seems to be in the join between the skilled working class and the lower middle class - those people who are in between capital and labour - but to branch out they need to expand into the working class first for the purely practical reason that it’s the working class who already stare the threat in the face while currently the middle classes don’t. I don’t think that will be enough on its own, partly because those same people often have such an extreme loyalty towards their traditional party you’ll never get all of them, but every advance into democratic respectability then makes it easier for nationalist parties to expand into the middle class. So I see it as a two-step: one leg steps left to gain enough working class support to get democratic respectability followed by the other leg stepping right into middle class support ending with a solid base straddling the middle.
I see the nationalist parties as more catalyst than agent - nationalist success will have ripple effects and those ripples will cause ripples and eventually the people themselves will make a revolution and *demand* certain policies. I see the key rules being : 1) The Nationalist party must make itself unacceptable to the status quo - especially the red media. As long as a nationalist party or movement picks a strategy that fits those two rules then I think the ripple effects will crack the media imposed red culture and survival instinct will drive the strategy the rest of the way. On the other hand I could be completely wrong. 150
Posted by And the winner is … on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:58 | # Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 06, 2009, 11:13 PM | # I’m tempted to retort, “Well it’s easy then — won’t the BNP always look more like themselves than whatever multiracial public face the other parties attempt to present?,” but I won’t — I’ll leave it there and thanks for the explanation. But you just did. Duh!
Exactly-These semantic games are much more fun (LOL). 151
Posted by Dasein on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:59 | #
Further to Desmond’s point: Salter speaks of ‘fitness investment portfolios’. The three main sources of investment are family, ethny, and the human species. He describes NS as a ‘fitness bubble’ in that it put too much emphasis (ultimately destructive) on ethnic fitness. Of course it depends in the end how these things work out. Could/should the Germans have foreseen that this was a bubble? It worked out very well for the Europeans in North America, but the venue for expansion in 1939 was fundamentally different. Underestimating the obstinacy of the British elites was a fatal error. 153
Posted by Jupiter on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:13 | # Guessedworker What this election means is this:Opposition to race-replacement is on the radar screen-with a strong signal. And the signal is not going to disappear from the radar screen of public discussion. And this goes right to the heart of the hysterical-psychotic reaction of the degenerate Left-Liberal types. Be very happy about the backreaction. It is a very good barometer of reality in England. The cat can not be put back in the bag. As Fed mentioned, the BNP poticians have to uncorrutable. The UK Independence party are a bunch of clowns who achieved some natural water-level success…it will go no higher over time. As more and more native English,Welsh and Scottish are murdered,raped and made economically redundant…the BNP is the only game in town. Anti-protectionists and anti-socialist health care programs have already been discredited around the world…especially in the US. Ultimtely the UK independence party will be seen as a bunch of free market wierdos. Socialism works quite well in racially homogeneous societies. Kick the darkies out!!!! 154
Posted by Saints and Angels on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:33 | # Posted by Jupiter on June 10, 2009, 03:13 PM | # ‘‘The cat can not be put back in the bag’‘ The cats not even out the bag yet. You people sure are a joke! ‘‘Kick the darkies out!!!!’‘ For all your whiteness (if this website is any reference to go by there seems to be alot of it) Europeans have never been known as the whitest people in the world 155
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:18 | #
Yes, moderate Euro-race socialism does. Not the kind of socialism the Jews try to impose on Euro-race peoples, which is theme-and-variations on bolshevism, in which, among other things, Jews savagely attack the existence of race and specifically try to get Euros transformed into some other race — Negroes, anything, just so long as they don’t remain Euros (Jews have this thing about Euros: in the Jewish mind Euros are not allowed to stay Euros, it’s viewed as evil on Euros’ part if they do, and they MUST change races to something else, preferably Negroes but acceptable alternatives are Mexican mestizos and others — can everyone sense the intense jealousy motivating this, in part? It’s written all over it, jealousy plus just plain dislike, and also fear. Jealousy, dislike, and fear are what motivate the endless Jewish attacks on Euro-race people’s raceness.) That sort of anti-race “race-is-not-allowed!” Jewish bolshevik socialism never works, obviously. Socialism that recognizes race works, and the following important article by “Melinda Jelliby” is one of my favorites: http://www.amren.com/ar/2000/04/ . So, not Jewish-imposed bolshevism (the kind of socialism Jews try to force on Euro and other non-Jewish populations) but national socialism is what we’re talking about, the system in force in Hitler’s National Socialist Germany, today’s Communist China, today’s Japan, today’s Israel, and many other places. Yes, Israel is a national-socialist apartheid state almost identical in many very important respects to National Socialist Germany. As for whether or not Jupiter would like such a system, however, that seems at least questionable in view of his oft-mentioned blanket aversion to “government.” 156
Posted by Matra on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:32 | # The only two parties that oppose immigration and the EU are the BNP and Ukip*. The BNP got 6.2% nationally, mostly working class English. Ukip got 16.5%, mostly middle class English. In Scotland it was rather different: BNP 2.5% and Ukip 5.2%. The pro-immigration, pro-EU Scots Nats won with 29%. In Wales the anti-establishment parties did better: BNP 5.4%, Ukip 12.8% Neither party ran in Northern Ireland where the voters went for their own sectarian parties. In retrospect, with (I’m told) growing annoyance in England at being milked by the rest of the UK, an English National/Independence Party (or England and Wales party) might have been a better idea than either BNP/Ukip. I don’t suppose a pure English nationalism could unite the respective voters of both parties? * Ukip’s website on immigration policy: We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis. 157
Posted by Jupiter on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:32 | # I am very adverse to the race-replacement of European people at the hands of imported darkies and thier geneline. I am not at all adverse to the idea of cleansing and disinfecting OUR AMERICA of the “American” left and liberals. Either we do it to them all they will do it to US first. The “American” left and libeals are hell-bent one exterminating White Americans. Now is this really a big secret this point in time. When the shit hit the fan, old scores will be settled. Everyone knows it will happen. Extreme catastrohes will happen. Social order will breal down. It will happen. The only alternative for Native Born White Americas is a strong racial identity. 158
Posted by Wandrin on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:10 | # Matra,
The Welsh and Scottish nationalist parties are both civic nationalists so they don’t suffer the same media attacks. If they switched to ethno-nationalism their vote would be driven down pretty quick and they’d have to claw their way up like the BNP. I’d say a specifically English ethno-nationalism might have some psychological benefit but I don’t think that is the root of the BNP / UKIP divergence. Some of it is based on the BNP’s chosen path being too economically left for many people but mostly I’d say it was that UKIP people are worried about the same kind of things as BNP people but aren’t yet ready to face the full hatred of the red media. The BNP make UKIP (and the conservatives) relatively more respectable and therefore makes it easier for middle class people to vote UKIP. Your quoted UKIP immigration policy is a perfect example. It’s still not respectable for the Tories to be able to say those kind of things (even if they wanted to) but the BNP have made it possible for the in-between respectable UKIP to say it. The BNP drag the terms of the debate to the right allowing others to slip into the ground conceded by the red media. Personally I think it will prove useful in the long run that they are two organizations even if it causes some problems. I think it’s also possible, England being such a class-obssessed place, that there may end up being two nationalist parties in the UK - a working class one taking terriotory from Labour and a middle class one taking ground from the Conservatives. 159
Posted by Jupiter on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:26 | # The BNP is about to face serious criminal charges because it openly advocates discrimination. The BNP lawyers ahould document all public staements made by the filthy Left-Liberals where dicrimination against Native England was advocated as policy goal. What is the cockroach LEGAL IMMIGRANT Alexander Cockburn-a well kown race-replacement enthusiast doing in OUR AMERICA. Cleanse and disinfect….then repeat. 160
Posted by Bill on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:13 | # Posted by Wandrin 10.06.2009 “I think it’s also possible, England being such a class-obssessed place, that there may end up being two nationalist parties in the UK - a working class one taking terriotory from Labour and a middle class one taking ground from the Conservatives”. Bill says. FWIW, I think the Conservatives are broke - finished (and have been for a long time) every bit as much as Labour, but they just don’t know it yet. (Shade of Hitchens here I’m afraid) Liberal Conservatism won’t fly, Camerons onslaught against the BNP tells us that. But where will the Conservative voter go? The political mould is bust, we’re all thinking outside the box now. 161
Posted by Bill on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:35 | # Courtesy View from the Right. The Destruction of Britain. http://thedestructionofbritain.blogspot.com/2009/06/melanie-phillips-britishness-bnp-and.html 162
Posted by Bill on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:23 | # I tossed the ‘Destruction of Britain’ piece from VFR here to MR only having skimmed down a portion, as I had to go out. Later, having returned for a further look, I discover the author has a thing about Melanie Phillips and goes goes on (and on and on) about her. So you can skip all that. This chap seems an intelligent person but doesn’t in all of his ten thousand words (apparently) stop to ask why Britain is being destroyed. Rather odd. I might be doing him a disservice saying that as I virtually have to skim scroll down as I just haven’t the time to read and digest. Anyway, I had a further dig around what Auster had to say, and one or two more commentors. During this, Obama’s Egypt speech the other day shot into my head, In short, the bottom line I came away with is, it looks like America is about to throw Israel to the fishes. For the greater cause of course. I dunno? Sorry in a hurry gotta go again. 163
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:44 | # Clicking on Bill’s link I came across this very good piece by someone named Delingpole: http://thedestructionofbritain.blogspot.com/2009/06/melanie-phillips-britishness-bnp-and.html
Clicking on the embedded link back to the Telegraph where the commentary first appeared, I skimmed some of the comments thread, including a comment by one “Emmanuelgoldstein” which taunted Delingpole with the notion that “those who voted for the BNP actually prefer a white Britain,” which Delingpole can’t answer because he stops at agreeing there’s a legitimate concern over cultural replacement and job displacement. He never explicitly states there’s a legitimate concern over race-replacement. The answer to Emmanuelgoldstein is yes, many who voted for the BNP doubtless prefer that, I certainly do and I’m not even a Brit, and there’s not a thing wrong with it and everything right with it. The opposite of preferring it is acquiescence in genocide in fact, and if genocide here is fine, where else is it? Let’s get started on genociding the Israelis and doing a proper job this time. And the Negroes in Africa, let’s genocide them too. And what about the remnant of the American Indians, let’s polish them off. And the Japs? What are they doing so racially secure in that island of theirs? Isn’t it time they were shown some genocide too? And the Russians? There’s certainly a way to wipe them out. I mean, if genocide’s the principle and is viewed as right as rain, let’s not limit it to just the Brits shall we? Let’s get out there and work some tikkun olam in the world! Delingpole is quite good. But not as good as he could be. He’d be even better if he explicitly stated that concern over race-replacement was legitimate. Not implicitly stated. The other side can get around that and will in five seconds. Explicitly stated. The way we do here at this blog for example. That they can’t get around, not in five seconds, not in five universe-lifetimes. Which is why they go into such hysterics and address anything and everything but the issue, namely race. There is race and there is race-replacement. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Now, choose. 164
Posted by Gudmund on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:09 | # Delingpole’s writing is good as are his points. But “assimilation”? Give me a goddamned break! A man able to summon up insights like he did should not have problems seeing that Turd World populations can not assimilate, not least because of low IQ, deviant behavior and their own ethno-cultural ideas of supremacy. There can never and will never be a meaningful assimilation - the best case scenario if this situation is not reversed is something like the Indian caste system where various mud and off-mud hued creatures compete for what little “supremacy” can be left in such a downbred culture. Count me out of the assimilation game, now and for-fucking-ever. It’s the biggest, most mendacious cop-out used by the modern “conservatives” mainly as an excuse to not explicitly have to mention race, which lets them off the hook working for our genetic interests. Which is fine with them because they seem to only care about lining their pockets anyway (see: Sailer, Brimelow, Buchanan, Taki, etc). 165
Posted by Gudmund on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:16 | #
Welcome news? Pardon me if I don’t jump with joy. Israel going the way of the Dodo means millions more of those parasitic Ashkenazim in America and other Euro lands. Actually they’re far more at home in the Middle East, the entire population of which is basically a dumber version of them. Keep the jews in West Asia along with all their Arab-Turkic-Persian brethren! They deserve each other. 166
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:27 | # Barnsley and the BNP
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Posted by Englander on Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:59 | #
I too voted for the BNP and the Conservatives. It’s a pity there wasn’t a BNP candidate in my region for the local elections.
My uncle, who worships at the Holocaust shrine, voted for Libertas, and I delighted in pointing out that two of their Polish candidates are apparently ‘deniers’. I haven’t heard a great deal about this party except that the left is smearing them as ‘right wing’.