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Band of Brothers by Grimoire I was sitting in the study re-reading Heidegger, preparing notes should I write an article on the subject, and thought, this is going to take too long. I put Heidegger back on the shelf, and pulled down my beautiful, antique print of Aeschylus’s The Persians. This is the stuff for me! Nothing so clear and direct. Swords close in, man to man.
One of the greatest works of the heroic type, comes to us from England. We all know it. But I think few have really read it on their own. But please take the time to read it. It is not about a battle, nor is it about history or philosophy. It is about one day, when individual men stood together, and stood as a “band of brothers”:
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Posted by anon on Thu, 12 May 2011 03:29 | # Wandrin, Good summary. You could also just direct the congregation to Mallory’s In Search of The Indo-Europeans. 4
Posted by Foundation on Thu, 12 May 2011 11:50 | # The Battle of Maldon is my inspiration: On 10 August 991, at Blackwater in Kent, the Earl Byrhtnoth and his thegns closed with a large Danish raiding party (Viking). The outnumbered English fought on without hope of victory: ‘Thought shall be the harder, heart the keener, Old English (West Saxon dialect): ‘hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, In the hour of adversity and danger they closed their ranks and were true to one another. 5
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 12 May 2011 13:07 | # PF wrote this: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_end_of_teleology/# ... over two years ago. It received just two comments, both critical - one from Soren, one from an aggressive individual who, happily, has taken his trade elsewhere. It remains the best summation of the psychology of heroic striving on the blog, and I do not believe the afficionados of heroism can answer it. It concludes:
... because, I would add, that is what we are - just men - and it is both sufficient and, anyway, the only foundation we have for doing what we must to remain who we are. We cannot “become” heroic, for that would be to live a caricature of the human, a lie:
We need only come home. It is in us to defend that which abides there. 6
Posted by Grimoire on Thu, 12 May 2011 20:30 | # Gworker: And the ending comment ‘ah it’s supremely relaxing’, or ‘lie back and take it, be a real man and take it bent over’ - words fail me….textbook postmodernism taught in the women’s studies and thirdworld empowerment on social welfare departments in the cheapest seats of the veal pens of academia . I completely understand Apollonian’s suspicions. What straight faced psychological poison. I never read that article, personally I found PF to be an absolute utter ass in the best traditions of the homointern, I could not read his drivel. He is flatulent in his meta-mythomania, his later essays were so filled with lies for the purpose of slander, I could not totally determine his motivation other than he was an ‘extreme passive- aggressive’ in the loyal traditions of the jewish, sadomaschocist, multiperverse, de-generators. Well, thats all the time I have to comment at the moment. 7
Posted by danielj on Thu, 12 May 2011 20:42 | # Speaking of banding together, I’m digging my heels in here: http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/the-geography-of-hate/238708/ 8
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 13 May 2011 05:50 | #
It seems that PF is expanding the Hamiltonian principal from immediate kin to ethnic group/nation state. While the hero may not possess an extrinsic finality, heroism/altruism, which Williams has shown does not exist in nature but may theoretically be created in humans via manipulation, may provide a path to ethic nepotism. Junger is wrong. It is not the war that provides but the rapture. And it is not for the individual but for the group. 9
Posted by danielj on Fri, 13 May 2011 06:07 | # Things are starting to get interesting on that thread. GW, it isn’t like the Guardian. You’d have a free hand. 10
Posted by Grimoire on Fri, 13 May 2011 08:19 | # I, like most Germans, live by the principal of ‘sufficient reason’. One intellectualizes a problem only enough to get it done in the most suitable and proficient way. 11
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 May 2011 16:15 | # Grim,
OK, let us take the example of a perfectly ordinary and average man of European descent - German, American, English, Danish, Spanish, it doesn’t matter. Let us consider the possibility that there is, in him, a Man A who is drawn from the times in which we live ... who, basically, is enculturated in all the myriads of influences, good and ill, which that time contains, and which act on him continually and quite without his knowledge, and in so doing supplement (but not necessarily complement) his natural mein and resources. Now let us incorporate into this model of Man A those characteristics which you, as a thinking man much more able and educated than I, will certainly have observed in yourself and in others, and which I described on “the onto-the-logical thread” as immersion and fracture. Let us add suggestibility, mechanicity, and a certain mental laziness which guarantees that our Man A will, by and large, live out his time at the bottom of the old, dry well, and never make, nor know how to make, the effort to scale the walls to light and freedom. So now we have a serviceable thumbnail sketch of Man A. Next we can, as nationalists and revolutionaries, change the focus a bit, pull back to the clouds above and take a look at the kind of influences which are formative in him. We see immediately that there are great and powerful currents of extremely dangerous influences flowing towards him from different quarters, some macro-economic in origin, some ethnic, some modernistic (notwithstanding Heidegger’s exculpatory ruminations on technology), some from deep in his spiritual and philosophical heritage, and so on. We see that these influences work certain, undesirable outcomes in Man A. In particular, they so atomise him, so distance him from the natural ties and loves his forefathers knew, and, worse still, so estrange him from his own nature, instinct, interests and truth that his care for and protection of the very life of his people and of his race has dwindled to almost nothing. Man A is both living a wrong life and is that life. However, Man A is not our “perfectly ordinary and average man of European descent”. Man A is one possible form in which the life of such a man might be lived. It is important to remember that this life remains open to influence throughout, albeit decreasingly so with age. The opportunity to introduce other, more vivifying influences and thereby both to arrest Man A’s decline and to engender a Man B in later generations is always there. The great question, which, as we see, divides the old continent from the English-speaking world, is how this is to be done. The continentals say, “Tell him another lie, a good lie, one that will make him carry fire to the house of our enemy, one that will lift his gaze to the horizon and inspire him to strive for what is great in his kind.” Sometimes this is supplemented by the claim that the former currents of influence such as tradition and Christianity and aristocracy will be magicked into being again by this or some other lie, although it is never worked out very closely how. Sometimes, the appeal is to re-construct these currents - currents, it must be said, which took centuries and even millenia to materialise before - in the space of five minutes. It’s packet soup thinking. It can’t work. None of it can work, for it does not respect the whole of what a man is. 12
Posted by Grimoire on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:01 | # Gworker: There….Haha! Take a moment to breathe….....just relax….ahhhhhhhh. Beautiful day today anyway. The sun! Okay? Alright…now lets see what we can do with this dog’s vomit. Now to begin…............ Now we are well and truly fucked. Naked, in an idiot and hostile world. We have yet our neckties. We will use these as loincloths to hide our shame. May I suggest something? We are going to be rounded up sooner or later, as fucked, naked idiots are eventually….let us use some of this colour to paint our skins with symbolic patterns. Insane ? Listen, trust me on this…I am an expert in these situations….we are going to be rounded up here, and we are completely vulnerable, and have no chance of escape…if they think we are insane, we will have the upper hand .. our ability to think will be inviolate, as they will assume we are incoherent, jabbering, scrambled lunatics. This will give us time, and that small power of clarity in this situation, that must remain ours alone. This must remain our pact, if we plan to get out of this alive. Do you mind if I paint these blue stripes on your back?......I wish to also splatter you with red, now some green emerald shapes, black squares…..now some yellow…..this blue/green mixture (the secret colour of oxygen) I will put all over your face and head…....perfect. You look….’Savauge-Inconnu’....speechless. There is a danger of course, that we will not be appraised as fucked, naked, lunatic idiots…but instead hailed as great artists. How do I look? I like these patterns very much, thank you…...and that is a good choice of colour….amazing style! At least we have fun while facing impending doom. Haha! Who cares anyway? As my father used to say; ‘We all die and go to hell anyway’. He was a magnificent bastard. Anyway, your right, let’s concentrate on our dilemma….listen I’m sorry our huge pile we’ve absorbed and retained simply floated away…leaving us here, two insane bastards… at least we are ‘magnificent’!!! This is another edge. We must take stock of were we are and what we have left with ruthless practicality if we are to have any chance. We have ourselves and each other. If we are loyal to each other, I promise you, we will come out of this laughing. We can turn the white-coats from jailers into chauffeurs and dinner waiters. How? Well, we still have the words from the interview with that magnificent bastard Steuckers, we have the best part of Henry V and the cordiform from Aeschylus. Okay, here is a plan…we shall memorize and recite the St.Crispian day speech. Remember, we want to confuse the enemy. They will not know if we are insane or great artists. We will draw a crowd obviously - they will come to throw eggs thinking the sick, naked degenerates dressed with necktie loincloths and painted magnificent colours are targets of unconformity released for the mob’s pleasure. But the words will make them listen! They are like magpies fascinated by strange baubles and unheard sounds….and we will finish with Aeschylus! The call to arms! They will think we are holy men! We will have the disgusting hippies prostrate at our feet! Steuckers said something that I think is extremely important when one is assuredly doomed. I think it is key, he has thrown us a hatchet and metal-rasp to hack and file our way out…..to possibly, if unlikely, not just survive, but conquer….. he said, ’Joy creates Joy’. There is an invincibility to the joyous that is so rare that one generally find the only ones who can sustain this are the drunkard and village idiot. Well, through an unfortunate turn of events we find ourselves in the latter category, we might as well use it…. and use it well…. strength through joy! Absolutely we are fucked. And there is only us, alone. I’ve heard it said. ’ when the going gets weird - the weird turn pro….’. The going here is going to get weird, that is understood. If we are truly fucked, it’s best that it is us, because we are the pro’s. This is no time for amateurs or children…look, there is an impressionable mob - into the breach my friend. Remember…... ‘We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;’ etc. No time to edit this or make it sensible. 13
Posted by Wandrin on Sat, 14 May 2011 07:51 | # Band of Brothers (and Sister), Madame Le Pen on RT 14
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 14 May 2011 11:29 | # Desmond, I agree with your comment regarding Juenger’s focus in individual feeling. But he himself wrote those words in tender criticism of that, not support. The true nature of heroic deeds is found not in poetry but in the testimony of those who performed them. Often, the men themselves don’t exactly know why they did these things. Reflection inclines them to humility, and to put away all personal claim. Alvin York, for example, explained his feat to his old division commander in 1919 by saying:
But his will in the deed had its arising not in a divine intervention but in the Tennessee mountains. In a speech in 1939 he said:
It is “for the group”, and its foundation is love, not greatness, be it past, present or future. No one but a fool or a lunatic ventures forth with a gun in his hand to achieve greatness. It follows, therefore, that something much more elusive but also more human than the will “to become great” must be engendered where, today, abides the little life of the blind and atomised, steadily-deracinating postmodern materialist. 15
Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 14 May 2011 12:48 | # Continuing from another thread ... Posted by Leon Haller on May 07, 2011, 12:28 PM | # Grimoire, We are not going to make it. The West was the highest realization yet seen of man’s potential for excellence in all the virtues. There is, furthermore, no empirical reason to believe that civilizations can be perpetuated by groups too genetically dissimilar from their founding stocks. Thus, the West deserves to live, but its immigration and coercive racial integration policies guarantee that it will eventually die (unless science fiction comes alive - one can imagine hardy whites venturing to alien worlds, to start the West anew; but the technology is so far distant, and the colonization so far along, that such options will likely remain mere fantasies during the remainder of the epoch in which whites continue to exist). Power, today more than ever, resides in the (muddled, brainwashed) masses. Our task is to convince a sufficient number of them of the ethical allowability and moral value of preserving their race and its territorial control as the mechanism for preserving the civilization of unique excellence that we were, and might be again. I believe the only way this can happen, given the speed of our devolution, is for whites to be brought to a heightened awareness of the hitherto only latent potential for a racialized Christianity; that is, a Christianity made aware that the pursuit of excellence and the striving for particularistic virtue is part of the Christian man’s proper end, and that the multicult throws obstacles to that pursuit, and thus defeats that end. GW is correct about the need for a reformulated ontology; that is, unless we understand ourselves and real natures much better we will continue to maintain the social and political structures which, by their very essence, are driving our extinction. Where he is wrong is in failing to recognize first, that the time in which to accomplish this reformulation is running out, assuming effective real world action to halt our racial extinction is the final goal of the new ontology; second, a wholescale reformulation is unnecessary, because the theoretical tools are already contained latently in the Christian tradition, properly understood in its application to racial and historical problems; and third, Christianity for the foreseeable future has a grip on the imagination deriving from its history that it would take centuries for any new ontology to approach in intelligibility, and white acceptance. I’ll try to make this clearer later. And a reply ... Leon:
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Posted by anon on Sat, 14 May 2011 13:40 | # Grim, I would counsel you to lay off the Céline but you do it ever so well! If we are truly fucked, it’s best that it is us, because we are the pro’s.—New MR motto? In all seriousness, DADA has greater fitness value than “racialized Christianity” or any such brainy concoction. To appeal to deracinated, degenerate whites one must go for their instilled love of the absurd. They have been raised on faggotry and therein must we deck out our message. We ought to have fun with racialism. Put away your bloody calipers and let’s get stupid. 17
Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 15 May 2011 00:00 | # anon, I don’t look at events in terms of passing fads, but from the perspective of history. At the risk of being a pompous twit, what I wrote above is tremendously important. Thus, and quite expectedly, it generated “light” but no “heat”, at least so far on two different threads where I have posted it. People around here deeply misunderstand both metaphysical and political reality, and the relation of the two. Ultimately, this is about one’s acceptance or disavowal of God. But as I stress repeatedly, even atheists need to recognize that the racial crisis is a spiritual crisis, and that the logic of secularism leads ineluctably to apathy about miscegenation; selfish, ‘high time preference’ or short-term thinking; understandable unwillingness to sacrifice for the group; and general cultural anomie and alienation - rendering us easy pickings for less ethical, and more ethnocentric peoples. Our race will survive only to the extent that it does indeed return to a traditionalist Christianity, properly ethically reformulated to allow for whites to inaugurate the measures necessary for their collective survival. I am increasingly dismayed that I, along with a few persons like Thorn, seem to be nearly alone, here and elsewhere on the Racial Right, in recognizing this. But important and rare as intelligence is, wisdom (the recognition of reality) is much more important, and much rarer. 18
Posted by Grimoire on Sun, 15 May 2011 02:34 | # anon: 19
Posted by Grimoire on Sun, 15 May 2011 04:00 | # Leon: At this stage, it is common for those who only see the tips of the icebergs, to argue among themselves as to remedy. A thousand small banners go up and the parade marches in a thousand small circles, going nowhere. Let me be brief and clear, those who argue their banner is the only remedy, are fools and unwitting traitors. There is only one path that leads to survival of our Civilization - and that is Unity. Those who stand in the path of Unity, to sow disorder, on behalf of Christianity, Paganism, Darwinism, Nationalism, Ontology, Antisemitism, 911 truth….etc. and on and on….are in the apocryphal words of Lenin, ‘useful idiots’....and serve the purpose of the enemy, and the means to that purpose is disorder. It is long past time we have need of preachers or philosophers who can accomplish no practical purpose. The only proof to your thesis is not words upon endless words…but humility and service to one another. 20
Posted by Desmond Jones on Sun, 15 May 2011 08:06 | # Guessedworker, Indeed. His will in the deed had its arising not in a divine intervention and not in the Tennessee mountains but in the propaganda mills. His Americanism was manipulated for a cause that was antithetical to his racial being. The manipulators were men that “had scant regard for race-lines. All who stood outside their particular nationalistic group were vowed to the same subjection…” This is not love…this is a rejection of his Anglo-Saxon being that was contrived. In your term, he was estranged. York was drafted, coerced by a government, against his will, (“I was worried clean through. I didn’t want to go and kill. I believed in my bible”) to fight a people he had never known and who had never threatened his family or the mountain people of Tennessee. 21
Posted by Lurker on Sun, 15 May 2011 16:29 | # Dan, I did dabble in that thread but I came to it a bit late, it seems to have run out of steam. 22
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 15 May 2011 17:05 | # Desmond, Pull back a bit, psychologically. The teleologists state that a will to the heroic virtues is the precursor of great deeds. It does not matter which those deeds are, or whether they are just. That is not yet the test. However, York demonstrates that love, not the will to the heroic, is the precursor. That’s the issue. You appear to agree. 23
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 15 May 2011 17:34 | # Grim,
Superior truths matter at all times. It is a question only of to whom. Which constituency is motivated, at least in part, by ideas, and which solely by instinct? What is the role in society and the influence and power of the former constituency? Historically, are intellectuals not an influential constituency in a liberal democracy? I think they are. Therefore, the war of truth has purpose and value, and must be fought as diligently as any other. After all, is not truth a standard around which we can be unified? So, will you contend your truth against mine? 24
Posted by Grimoire on Sun, 15 May 2011 21:23 | # Gworker: Historically, are intellectuals not an influential constituency in a liberal democracy? Yes, as shameless whores, talking heads and black magnetic holes of degeneracy. Debating or listening to these intellectuals is not an intellectualaz-’ing’ exercise - but no-rules politics, delicately veiled threats and red-button propaganda. 25
Posted by Wandrin on Mon, 16 May 2011 01:07 | #
I think there’s more to it than that. Assume a population is a mixture of ethno-centric and ideal-centric. I think with most non-white populations the proportions are something like 80% and 20%. However with White people i think it’s more like 20%, 60% and 20% where the middle 60% are ethno-centric at heart but have enough of an ideal-centric overlay to be able to be guilt-tripped and beat down by whoever is the current priesthood. Winning the intellectual argument, (i’d call it the moral argument but it comes to the same thing), isn’t just about the ideal-centric 20% it should also provide the key to unlock the chains on the middle 60%.
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Posted by Grimoire on Mon, 16 May 2011 18:17 | # Wandrin: This is why I counsel people to put aside their hobby horses. I think one idea or simple truth most would agree, we want out countries, our borders and our sovereignty back, with the immigrants deported. No philosophies or religion required. People I observe are growing sick of the exhausting cacophony of talking heads who do not live up to their philosophy and religions, and offer nothing but judgement and reprimand for not fulfilling what they themselves cannot fulfill, and excuse themselves as recruiters and servants of the greater good. 27
Posted by Leon Haller on Wed, 18 May 2011 18:31 | # This is why I counsel people to put aside their hobby horses. I think one idea or simple truth most would agree, we want out countries, our borders and our sovereignty back, with the immigrants deported. (Grimoire) Yes, I have been saying this for years! But how do we convince our people of the rightness of this? Now we’re back to ethics, then religion ... 28
Posted by Grimoire on Wed, 18 May 2011 19:24 | #
By being normal, good men with sound ideas, loyal and courageous on behalf of their people (normal is exotic these days). We face complicated challenges, the ‘Keep-It-Simple-Stupids’, is operational intelligence. It also unifies, and attracts as it allows people to join and find their place. Post a comment:
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Posted by Wandrin on Thu, 12 May 2011 01:38 | #
As it’s something i’ve been thinking about recently i’ll add what i think is the link between the two.
Proto-Indo-European Urheimat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis
European neolithic farmers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Cucuteni–Trypillian_culture
Greeks as set of waves heading south-west from original urheimat into Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Greeks#Origins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_invasion
Second branch drifts west from urheimat to secondary urheimat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis#Secondary_Urheimat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_Amphora_culture
Celtics as first set of successive waves from the secondary Indo-European urheimat like layers of paint over a wall (and missing a few spots e.g Basques)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallic_invasion_of_the_Balkans
Germanics as second set of successive waves from the secondary Indo-European urheimat like layers of paint over a wall
If true then European genetics would be similar to a red-painted wall getting successive layers of thin white paint. There’d be an A population that came out of the near east and when that population spread to the far north it turned into the B population. The B population then folded back into the A population through multiple successive waves with the number of waves in each region depending on how remote it was. So you get some places with original A people and in slightly less remote places AB people, less remote again ABB, less remote again ABBB, less remote again ABBBB etc.