Posted by Friedrich Braun on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:26 | #

This is an old refrain but I’ll say it anyway, did Europe’s (hostile) elites and faceless bureaucrats consult the natives regarding the desirability of so much immigration? It always fascinates that since about the ‘50’s (and despite the opposition of the autocthonous population - at least if surveys are to be believed) all Western countries have been accepting scandalous numbers of migrants. The E.U. is about as democratic as the old Soviet Union, it’s hard to know which of the two pathological entities is deadlier a population’s EGI. Probably the E.U. monster, at least the oppressed peoples of the USSR weren’t encouraged to miscegenate with genetically distant foreigners through an unrelenting multicultural propaganda. Sure, Stalin liked to move populations around and deport entire ethnic groups but he never intended to flood the Russians et al. with millions and millions of Africans. The similarity in mindset between the E.U. officialdom and communist appartchiks is well-documented in Frank Ellis’s work on political correctness.

I can’t shake the idea that the E.U. elites want the destruction of Europe’s indigenous population, it does seem premeditated, no? 50 000 000 Africans? My God! Getting so many extremely low quality, extremely low I.Q. migrants is about as insane as it can get. We really are dealing here with a treasonous class.

Posted by Svigor on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:19 | #

Probably the E.U. monster, at least the oppressed peoples of the USSR weren’t encouraged to miscegenate with genetically distant foreigners through an unrelenting multicultural propaganda. Sure, Stalin liked to move populations around and deport entire ethnic groups but he never intended to flood the Russians et al.

Ever looked at the demographics of Asian Russia?  If the stats are to be believed (who’s a Russian?  Are they anything like “white” S. Americans?), it looks like a dramatic case of race-replacement of non-Euros with Euros.

Posted by Q on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:23 | #

What’s wrong with 50 million Africans immigrating to Europe, Friedrich? Your new found buddies, the Jews, would be disappointed in you for disapproving massive influx of Negroes into Europe. Or didn’t you get their memo titled: Euros are to be changed into Negroes via immigration?.....

Posted by Friedrich Braun on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:26 | #

Q, I’m waiting for your evidence that the flooding of Europe with 50 000 000 Africans is the Joos’ program. Aren’t you embarrassed to explain everything with a single factor? 

S, the Chinese migration to Eastern Russia on this scale is a new phenomenon that can’t be attributed to Stalin.

Posted by feddy on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:06 | #

There is no immigration to speak of. It is euphemism to mask an outright invasion of white homelands by the flotsam and rejects of the afro-asian and thirld world . There are no half baked measure in this struggle. Either it is stopped or the EU will be overwhelmed. The heads of the EU compost are a gang of rotten , soulless, leeches, hell bent in the deracination and dilution of the original inhabitants of the formerly white european nations. Europe does not need invaders, and neo colonizers, particularly of the afro-asian kind. I doubt very much if Italy’s adopted measures will yield any positive results. Iron clad legislation and military implementation there of is required. All immigration from non compatible european genres, afro-asian, has and must be banned. There is no ifs and buts. That is the only solution. Asian nations do not have immigration policies. There is no practical manner to emigrate there. They must be hot headed nazis; but they are winning and they are preserving their own species.
No human rigths gobbledygook, or NGO internationalist organizations , or helsinkis watch and other detritus nomenclatura for the Asians. Entry on a permanent level is not a consideration capable of crossing anyone’s mind; particularly if the supposed entrants happen to be europids. Out with the invasion.

Posted by Q on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:33 | #

I’m waiting for your evidence that the flooding of Europe with 50 000 000 Africans is the Joos’ program. Aren’t you embarrassed to explain everything with a single factor?—FB

Actually I’m not embarrassed, I’m infuriated and frustrated we can’t stop this genocidal madness. And of course I don’t beleive everything can be reduced to a single factor. This problem is multidimensional and arises from MANY factors; some of which are:

1-Jews’ obsession with non-white immigration into white nations. (I’ll leave it up to the reader to decide their motivation.)

2- Churches acceptance of these non-White Christians in order to fill empty pews.

3- Greedy corporation and business owners taking advantage of cheap labor.

4- Trade agreements between EU nations and third-world nations. For example: EU nation “A” mines minerals in African country “B”... in turn EU nation “A” agrees to allow immigration of X number of country “B’s” most destitute inhabitants.

5-  Foolish attempt to counter the ageing European demographic in order to sustain unsustainable government spending.

6 - Competitive Altruism amongst EU’s liberal ruling eleite.

7- Sheer liberal ignorance ....

That’s the short list.

Posted by Q on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:55 | #

All those interests/factors work together and reinforce each other.

Posted by Dan Dare on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:37 | #

Guessedworker wrote:

... The plan is to bring in 50,000,000 + Africans over the next few decades to counter the ageing European demographic.

GW, can you point us to a source where the details of this plan can be inspected. As far as I am aware the EU has no jurisdiction over the immigration policies of member states and there is no proposal for legislation that would alter that.

If any EU country finds itself overrun by unwanted darkies that is the fault of that country’s own government, not of any EU ‘Superstate’ as some posters here appear to believe.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:04 | #

It’s the plan, Dan Dare, and it’s emanating from the E.U.:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/65628/Secret-plot-to-let-50million-African-workers-into-EU

Whether or not all bueaucratic nuts and bolts for its implementation have been fully worked out, it is proceding as we speak:  recruitment centers have already been set up for the purpose in the Sub-Sahara.

Posted by Dan Dare on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:21 | #

I was rather hoping for something more substantial than a scare story in the Daily Express. It’s a little far-fetched to draw the inference from a statistical report about the potential fall in the working-age population and the opening of an EU-funded employment office in Mali with a supposed plan to import 50 million Africans.

Again, the EU has no jurisdiction over the immigration policies of individual member states and there is no legislation in the works to alter that.

I would suggest that anyone who is confused about the EU’s actual role in migrant policy should review this booklet from the Centre for European Reform.

The migration situation is dire enough without the diversion of irresponsible scaremongering.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:45 | #

Here the French Socialist bimbo behind the idea is interviewed about it:

http://www.francoisecastex.org/v2/Parlement-Europeen/avenir-europe/defi-demographique.htm

Posted by Steven E. Romer on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:50 | #

I was quite suprised to read this comment here:

Friedrich Braun on July 04, 2009, 04:26 AM | #

Q, I’m waiting for your evidence that the flooding of Europe with 50 000 000 Africans is the Joos’ program. Aren’t you embarrassed to explain everything with a single factor?

Well, if you are serious, you should read “The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements” (Paperback) by California State University professor Kevin MacDonald to get started on the reasons why the borders are opened up here in the USA, and now in every European country. It is probably the most clear-cut and monolithic case of one special interest group changing the face of politics we have. The JEWS did it 100%. Not anyone else, the JEWS. Also see “Jewish Supremicism” by David Duke.

The Jews have also been working from many other different angles in academia, the media, the movies, in politics, starting the NAACP, making Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. into a celebrity and writing his speeches, starting the counter-cuture of the 60’s, promoting race-mixing, softening us up for mass immigration. They also 100% wrote, funded, pushed through, finagled and are responsible for the USA (and other countries) being overrun with immigration. If we sit here and keep arguing what the problem is, we will never be able to counteract them and their program of wiping us off the map. ITS THE JEWS already! That is the singular source of our problem. 

It’s like asking for evidence the world is round today—we already know that, and it is easy to verify. It wastes time to keep bringing it up. We certainly cannot afford time spent squabbling about the obvious.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:05 | #

In a series of videos this air-headed hyperandrogenic bimbo sets forth her “ideas” (if you can call pure swill of this nature “ideas”) in the European Parliament chamber:

http://www.francoisecastex.org/v2/Parlement-Europeen/avenir-europe/videos-plegnieres.htm

(Françoise Castex was born in Morocco, by the way, whether of French or of North African parentage I don’t know.)

Posted by Dan Dare on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:28 | #

That’s very interesting Fred, but again I’m not discerning any evidence there to support the existence of the ‘50 million Plan’. It should be borne in mind as well that, as an MEP albeit a hyperactive one, Mme Castex does not speak for the European Commission, let alone the Council of Ministers. To place her comments in proper perspective it is worthwhile reviewing the Parliamentary Resolution referenced by Mme Castex on her website. An English version of the Resolution can be seen here.

In the meantime here is a more sober assessment of the role and objectives of the EU-funded Migration Information and Management Centre (CIGEM) opened last year in Mali, within the context of other EU-sponsored initatives relating to migration.

False Promises.

Particularly apparent is the contradiction between the supposed plan to import 50 million low-IQ and unskilled sub-Saharans with the EU’s stated policy to encourage highly-skilled migrants, who would presumably need to originate in Asia rather than Africa.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:43 | #

There are multiple factors that have converged to bring us this nightmare, of course not exclusively the Jews, but Steven Romer above is more right than wrong (as is Q), and Friedrich Braun more wrong than right.  The Jews are the main cause.  Is Françoise Castex Jewish?  Probably not, but she’s not operating in a vacuum:  the way has been cleared for her to brazenly, jaw-droppingly put forth a plan for genocide of whites and the way is simultaneously barred to anyone who wishes to criticise her plan on frank racial grounds.  She’s operating in a post-WW-II world, a painstakingly constructed, all-pervasive atmosphere, in which rational critiques of her plan that mention the taboo topic of race in frank terms are strictly fobidden.  Who, what force or group, has been the chief factor in the creation of this particular post-war world?  Three guesses.  The sole factor?  No.  The chief factor?  You’d have to be blind not to see the answer is yes.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:08 | #

“An English version of the Resolution can be seen here.”  (—Dan Dare)

I didn’t read this entire communist document, Dan — didn’t have an anti-emetic handy.  I skimmed portions of it.  On my reading, the part entitled “The Challenge of Integrated Immigration” (§89 onward) is none other than a call for the transformation of every single European-race man, woman, and child on the continent of Europe into a Sub-Saharan African Negro.  Do you read it differently, Dan?

Are you Alex Zeka by any chance?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:15 | #

Here’s a working link to the “False Promises” article cited in Dan Dare’s last comment:

http://www.inwent.org/ez/articles/082758/index_p.en.shtml

Posted by Dan Dare on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:40 | #

Fred wrote:

I didn’t read this entire communist document, Dan — didn’t have an anti-emetic handy.  I skimmed portions of it.  On my reading, the part entitled “The Challenge of Integrated Immigration” (§89 onward) is none other than a call for the transformation of every single European-race man, woman, and child on the continent of Europe into a Sub-Saharan African Negro.  Do you read it differently, Dan?

Sorry about the bad link, and thanks Fred for fixing it.

But no, I don’t share your interpretation of the EP’s text on the integration of immigrants. It seems to me just more pro forma liberal-centrist rhetoric as retailed ad nauseum by the nomenklatura in the MSM and the Old Gang parties. Nothing particularly alarming or even novel, and certainly nothing that might lead one to anticipate an influx of 50 million Africans.

It just doesn’t particularly helpful to maintain the fiction that the so-called EU Superstate has played and is playing any sort of leading role in orchestrating the demographic transformation now underway. The EU certainly hasn’t hindered it, but it has always been a follower not a leader; the responsibility for the immigration disaster as it has unfolded lies entirely with the national governments.

It’s also quite facile to claim that it is all a Jewish plot; in Europe, at least, the pain has been entirely self-inflicted. I do acknowledge that Kevin MacDonald has made a solid case for the central role that Jews played in bringing about the 1965 Immigration Act, but the major western European countries opened their own third-world immigration channels under their own steam well before then and so it makes little sense to extrapolate from the American case to the European.

Are you Alex Zeka by any chance?

Who he? Never heard of him. No doubt a detestable Europhile and a commie to boot.

Posted by Pamela on Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:47 | #

I was rather hoping for something more substantial than a scare story in the Daily Express

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/expert/infopress_page/018-54071-111-04-17-902-20090421IPR54070-21-04-2009-2009-false/default_en.htm

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:10 | #

^

Is this the secret plan to import 50 million Africans we have been hearing about?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:32 | #

Dan, the claim is the E.U. wants to do it, not that it’s secret.  The claim is the E.U. wants to import 56 million African Negroes into Europe to be integrated as a permanent part of the European population.  Certainly that’s just for starters in the minds of the E.U. communists:  I firmly believe they want to import way more than 56 million, but they have to start somewhere.  Doubtless they feel they can finish the job of total race-replacement later.  I have no doubt the article GW cited was an accurate representation of the E.U.‘s intentions.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:38 | #

They say they want to import Negroes partly so that Europe will remain “competitive.”  Competitive?  Competitive at what?  If they mean competitive at rape, murder, robbery, street violence and muggings, property destruction, poverty, school failure, drug use, AIDS, providing multiple opportunities for Jews and communists to make money, and lowness of national IQ and general stupidity, they’re on the right track.

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:40 | #

Fred, I could make a claim that the moon is made of Wensleydale cheese, but then some smart-alec would only come along and ask for proof.

Right now, the proposition that we are being asked to subscribe to is as follows:

[Eurostat predicting a 50 million reduction in the working population by 2050] + [An EU-funded ‘job centre’ opening in Mali] = [An intention to import 50 million Africans].

I suggest we need a few more terms on the l.h.s. of the equation to convince the deniers.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:50 | #

“I suggest we need a few more terms on the l.h.s. of the equation to convince the deniers.”

Maybe you do; I don’t, Dan.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:55 | #

Dan,

The Eurostat report was not published.  That’s the problem.  Why the secrecy?  To stop it being of use to immigration restrictionists?  No, it’s function was purely to inject into the political debate within the Union ideas which were already being advanced elsewhere.  Thus, the debate goes on in one “pillar”:-

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=IM-PRESS&reference=20080414FCS26499&language=EN

Meanwhile in another, a political process is being pursued.  This, from a year earlier than the Eurostat report:

http://www.cerium.ca/Joint-Africa-EU-Declaration-on

This from the year after the Eurostat report:

http://appablog.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/inauguration-of-the-migration-information-and-management-centre-cigem-in-bamako-mali-monday-6-october-2008/

And here, from May of this year, is news of the opening of the SECOND job centre:

http://www.altermedia.info/immigration/50-million-migrants-from-africa-invited-to-europe_997.html

The Express article was only wrong insomuch as it thought the Eurostat report was the commencement of the process.  It was not.  It was a justification for it.

Posted by Q on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:13 | #

Who would have thought 20 years ago 30 million Mexicans would enter the USA illegally with no government action to stop them? Not only that, it would’ve be absurd to predict that a so called “conservative Republican President,” GW Bush, would call US citizens trying to stop the Mexicans from crossing the boarder illegally (the Minutemen) vigilantes! But it happened! Wrap your mind around that one! Make no mistake about it, this migration of Mexicans into the USA was planned. It was secretly agreed upon between the U.S. and Mexican Governments.

Posted by Armor on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:19 | #

The EU certainly hasn’t hindered it, but it has always been a follower not a leader; the responsibility for the immigration disaster as it has unfolded lies entirely with the national governments. (—Dan Dare)

I think what you say used to be true, but the EU has now become infected with the race replacement madness. They are even trying to spread the virus into Central/Eastern Europe.

I first realized the EU had changed in 2005, when I read their project for an EU constitution. A large part of it was about the rights of immigrants. Until then, I had been a supporter of the EU.

It’s also quite facile to claim that it is all a Jewish plot; in Europe, at least, the pain has been entirely self-inflicted.

Are you saying that Jewish organizations do not actively support the race-replacement policy in Europe? And that they have no influence on the governments and media?

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:51 | #

GW

The Eurostat report EUROPOP2008 is available here:

http://iussp2009.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=91070

It would extremely silly for the EU to advance the fact that the population of the EU is ageing on average as a rationale for the importation of 50 million Africans. The notion that replacement migration is any form of panacea cure for a declining working population has been comprehensively debunked.

See for example Replacement migration, or why everyone is going to have to live in Korea: a fable for our times from the United Nations and [url=http://www.cer.org.uk/pdf/e790_17jan08.pdf]Growing old gracefully:
How to ease population ageing in Europe[/url], and Old Europe? Demographic change and Pension reform

I’m sorry but your connect-the-dots approach to constructing The Plan simply does not convince. It completely ignores the point that I have been stressing all along that migration policy - in terms of who gets admitted and for what reasons - remains the prorogative of the member states, not the EU. If people in, say, Britain want to change immigration policy it is with their own government that they must deal, not with a mythical cabal of plotters in Brussels.

The European Pact on Immigration and Asylum ratified by the EU heads of government last November spells this out very clearly.

http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1222345927.24

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:17 | #

Sorry it looks like I bollocksed up another link above. Here’s that paragraph again

See for example Replacement migration, or why everyone is going to have to live in Korea: a fable for our times from the United Nations and Growing old gracefully: How to ease population ageing in Europe, and Old Europe? Demographic change and Pension reform

Armor wrote:

I think what you say used to be true, but the EU has now become infected with the race replacement madness. They are even trying to spread the virus into Central/Eastern Europe.

The plain fact of the matter is that if, say, Poland or Lithuania elect not to invite any darkies to migrate to their countries by simply not providing any work permits or visas to such migrants there is no EU Directive that compels them to do otherwise. The only exception to this might be for claims of asylum. If, on the other hand, they do decide to let some in, then they are subject to the EU-level regulations on matters such as family reunion and rights of residence.

… Are you saying that Jewish organizations do not actively support the race-replacement policy in Europe? And that they have no influence on the governments and media?

My comments were really more concerned with the role that Jews played in the creation of the original ‘source-universalist’ immigration schemes in western countries. There is much evidence of their involvement in the USA (cf the 1968 Act) but almost none in Europe. Today I don’t believe there is really any significant difference in the enthusiasm which the Jewish- and non-Jewish organisations which form part of the Immigration Industry promote their agendas, or that Jews and non-Jews in the MSM and Old Gang parties play in institutionalising third-world immmigration and multiculturalism. Having said that, in Europe and particularly in Britain, there is little question that Jews have been among the leading architects of Race Relations and Human Rights legislation. In many respects their effect is even more damaging and corrosive that anything that the careerist bureaucrats in Brussels could have dreamt up.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:48 | #

“It’s also quite facile to claim that it is all a Jewish plot; in Europe, at least, the pain has been entirely self-inflicted.  I do acknowledge that Kevin MacDonald has made a solid case for the central role that Jews played in bringing about the 1965 Immigration Act, but the major western European countries opened their own third-world immigration channels under their own steam well before then and so it makes little sense to extrapolate from the American case to the European.”  (—Dan Dare)

My understanding is full-bore race-replacement immigration in Europe only began to take off during the 1980s, becoming a hurricane during the 1990s.  All that was well after 1965.

Moreover, it’s not solely a question of initial mistakes such as the U.K.‘s accepting its first immigrants from Jamaica in 1948, but more importantly a question of who is preventing those mistakes from being rectified?  Normally when mistakes get made they get corrected.  Not with immigration:  an invisible hand is warding off corrections that otherwise would long-since have been made and problem solved. 

Whose hand?  Who was chiefly responsible for creating the atmosphere during the late ‘60s to the late ‘70s that made the Tories scared to death of even listening to what Enoch was saying, let alone conceding any of his points?  Was it the Jamaican Negroes who created that atmosphere so terrifying it made strong politicians quake in their boots?  The Pakis?  Did they do it?  Somehow I don’t think those poor ignorant non-whites commanded the wherewithal to pull that off.  No, some other influence created that atmosphere that kept Enoch’s warnings from being heard, that keeps those warnings from being heard to this day, that has kept anyone in the States from jettisoning the 1965 Immigration Law, that basically has everyone scared to open their mouths on certain topics.  I’d say organized Jewry has played a central role in all that.  Jews manipulate behind the scenes to get what they badly want, and open borders with the reduction of Euro-race peoples to minorities in their own homelands is something they badly want.

“It’s also quite facile to claim that it is all a Jewish plot”  (—Dan Dare)

Members of a group or tribe don’t have to formally “plot” together in order to all favor the same things (although there is indeed plenty of formal behind-the-scenes coordination as regards specific goals, strategies and tactics, etc.).  Ridiculing the claim of excessive Jewish influence by injecting the words “plot” and “conspiracy” which aren’t part of the claim is a common straw man.

There’s something wrong with Dan Dare:  he’s partly on the other side, or he’s wavering between the two sides and doesn’t yet know which he favors, something like that.  I vaguely recall thinking that about him a while ago, then deciding I had been mistaken. 

I wasn’t mistaken.

Posted by White Preservationist on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:26 | #

Great move by Italy.  Great to see that sanity prevails in at least one White country when it comes to immigration…a small ray of sunshine peeking through the otherwise dark clouds of race-replacement.

Posted by Felim on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:21 | #

Actually I’m not embarrassed, I’m infuriated and frustrated we can’t stop this genocidal madness. And of course I don’t beleive everything can be reduced to a single factor. This problem is multidimensional and arises from MANY factors; some of which are:

1-Jews’ obsession with non-white immigration into white nations. (I’ll leave it up to the reader to decide their motivation.)

2- Churches acceptance of these non-White Christians in order to fill empty pews.

3- Greedy corporation and business owners taking advantage of cheap labor.

4- Trade agreements between EU nations and third-world nations. For example: EU nation “A” mines minerals in African country “B”… in turn EU nation “A” agrees to allow immigration of X number of country “B’s” most destitute inhabitants.

5- Foolish attempt to counter the ageing European demographic in order to sustain unsustainable government spending.

6 - Competitive Altruism amongst EU’s liberal ruling eleite.

7- Sheer liberal ignorance ....

That’s the short list.

Factors (1) thru (3) and (7) are the decisive and deciding factors.  Personally,  I think Christianity is responsible for ALOT of the West’s problems insofar as they relate to immigration.  It seems, at least in my view, that quite a bit of the ethos of Modern Liberalism as well as ‘Anti-Racism’ are simply secularisation versions of Christian ethos.  Least me forget, Christianity teaches the concepts that ‘all men are equal’ and the ‘we are all made in the image of God’ and other such nonsense.  I thinks it’s pretty naive to not believe that these Christian ethos do not effect societies at large and their view of the world around them as well as how they govern themselves, such as laws and regulations and such. 

It seems to me that the ‘Elites’ have almost entirely abandoned Christianity but have retained core Christian ethos (“All men are equal”, etc) and secularised them.

Posted by Bill on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:54 | #

The Unemployment time bomb is quietly ticking.

This may seem a bit OT but it’s all part of the heady mix.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/5742937/The-unemployment-timebomb-is-quietly-ticking.html

I also wanted to post a link about the police requesting powers to use water canons to control street riots as they feel the present methods are insufficient to maintain order.  I cannot find the link now.

Posted by Dasein on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:56 | #

An EU country’s immigration policy does not necessarily protect it from getting another country’s non-Whites.  Acme Corp in the UK might think it’s getting a German, only to find out that Dieter is a Negro (at least in Germany though, CVs come with photos).  It makes it difficult to contain the spread of non-Whites once they get into any one country.

Posted by Armor on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:07 | #

Christianity teaches the concepts that ‘all men are equal’ and the ‘we are all made in the image of God’ and other such nonsense. (—Felim)

Not so long ago, the main message of Christian bishops used to be: sex is wrong. Then the message changed, and it became: the meaning of life is that we must breed and raise as many third-world immigrants as we can. I wonder what will be the next Christian message in the future.

Posted by Armor on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:06 | #

if, say, Poland or Lithuania elect not to invite any darkies to migrate to their countries by simply not providing any work permits or visas to such migrants there is no EU Directive that compels them to do otherwise. (—Dan Dare)

When European Justice Commissioner Jacques Barrot says that “automatic expulsion rules for entire categories are not acceptable”, it means that the EU is applying pressure on EU member countries. How do you think the Western European governments started to implement their race replacement policy even though most politicians opposed it ? What happened is that political pressure was applied on politicians, and they betrayed the European peoples. Now, the EU is adding its political and financial weight to the effort to race-replace us. It can’t be good.

The only exception to this might be for claims of asylum. If, on the other hand, they do decide to let some in, then they are subject to the EU-level regulations on matters such as family reunion and rights of residence.

Asylum, family reunion… that is where much of the immigration comes from. It does not sound as a negligible detail to me. Dasein raises another aspect of the problem: any third-worlder who receives citizenship from one EU country can move at once to another one.

Here is another example of an EU member state clashing with the EU commission over the immigration policy: kleinverzet (with a series of links to the blog Gates of Vienna)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:01 | #

Q’s post of July 4, 1:33 PM (a post also commented on by Felim further down) was actually quite good.  Near-perfect, I’d call it.  No flaws; essentially nothing important omitted.  It was a near-perfect post. 

Friedrich Braun is wrong in dismissing claims of preponderant Jewish influence in race-replacement.  Also, FB in his exchange with Q is trotting out the “single factor” straw man.  No one claims Jewish influence is literally the sole factor.  The claim, depending on whom you’re talking to, is either that it’s the most important of many factors, or that it’s one of the most important of many, and needs to be addressed as such.  Braun knows that:  it’s therefore strange that he invokes that particular straw man like someone brand-new to these issues.

The point in counterattacking the Jewish factor in all this is the same as the point in counterattacking the Vatican factor, the Archbishop of Canterbury factor, the communist factor (race-replacement advocate Robert Lindsay isn’t Jewish, he’s a communist), the clueless women voter factor (one of my targets though no one else agrees with me on that) or any other factor:  it’s legitimate and necessary to counterattack all significant adversaries who are in the process of attacking you. 

Does FB think the Jews as Jews are not a factor at all, zero, as do Ian Jobling, Lawrence Auster, and James Kalb?  (“Jews as Jews are not a factor at all, zero, at worst only Jews as generic liberals are a factor and admittedly there are lots of those but they function solely as generic non-denominational liberals whose Jewish background has nothing whatsoever to do with their behavior:  generic liberals are doing it; Jews as Jews play zero role in it.”)  If FB thinks that, then of course he’s right to dismiss the other view of the Jewish role.

So FB’s new position is Jews as Jews not only aren’t the sole factor (which nobody claims anyway), they’re not a factor at all?  All this is solely Euros doing it to themselves with Jews joining in solely as generic liberals, the exact same as the Euro liberals who are the ones doing it (the Auster and Jobling view)?  There’s no ethnic Jewish factor distinct from purely generic true non-denominational Euro liberalism, no separate ethnic Jewish factor that has also to be addressed and counterattacked by name along with all the rest?

While we’re at it, another outstanding post was the one just above Q’s, by “Feddy”:

There is no “immigration” to speak of.  That is a euphemism for masking an outright invasion of white homelands by the flotsam and rejects of the Afro-Asian and Third Worlds.  There can be no half-baked measures in this struggle:  either it is stopped or the EU countries will be overwhelmed.  The heads of the EU compost heap are a gang of rotten, soulless leeches, hell bent on the deracination and dilution of the original inhabitants of the formerly white European nations.  Europe does not need invaders or neo-colonizers, particularly of the Afro-Asian kind.  I doubt very much whether the measures Italy has adopted will yield any positive results.  Ironclad legislation, and military implementation thereof, are required.  All genres of immigration incompatible with Europeans, such as Afro-Asian, must be banned, no ifs ands or buts.  That is the only solution.  Asian nations do not have immigration policies:  there is no practical way to emigrate there.  They must be hot-headed Nazis!  But they are winning and they are preserving their own species:  no human rights gobbledygook, or NGO internationalist organizations [Scroob note:  Jewish funding and Jewish upper-level staffing are behind 99% of anti-Euro-race, anti-Euro nation, anti-Euro borders, anti-Euro-civilization NGO activities with, of course, the usual clueless gentile communist hangers-on, useful idiots, and fellow-travelers], or Helsinki Watch and other Nomenklatura detritus for the Asians.  Entry on a permanent level is not a consideration capable of crossing anyone’s mind; particularly if the proposed entrants happen to be Europids. 

Out with the invasion!

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:49 | #

My understanding is full-bore race-replacement immigration in Europe only began to take off during the 1980s, becoming a hurricane during the 1990s.  All that was well after 1965. - Fred Scrooby

Certainly the numbers have taken a quantum leap upwards in recent years, but the mechanisms that have served to facilitate that process were all in place long before. These would include support for primary labour migration in many countries through employment vouchers, work-permits, and supposedly temporary ‘guest-worker’ schemes, secondary migration through the family formation and reunion channel, the refugee system and, of course, the tacit acceptance of ‘irregular’ ie illegal migrants. There has been little fundamental change in the structure of the incoming migrant streams since the 1960s; the most important single innovation since then has been the internal freedom of movement conferred by the EU.

Moreover, it’s not solely a question of initial mistakes such as the U.K.’s accepting its first immigrants from Jamaica in 1948, but more importantly a question of who is preventing those mistakes from being rectified?  Normally when mistakes get made they get corrected.  Not with immigration:  an invisible hand is warding off corrections that otherwise would long-since have been made and problem solved…

I don’t think that hand is quite as invisible as you are suggesting, in fact the principal factor that guides elite thinking on immigration and citizenship is all too obvious. It is the international human rights regime that sprung up after WW II as a response to the challenge of de-colonisation, the Cold War and most importantly, the mortal blow delivered to ethno-nationalism as a respectable form of socio-political organisation by the racial policies of the Third Reich. In that sense we can view the demographic transformation currently underway as being ‘Hitler’s Revenge’.

There’s something wrong with Dan Dare:  he’s partly on the other side, or he’s wavering between the two sides and doesn’t yet know which he favors, something like that.  I vaguely recall thinking that about him a while ago, then deciding I had been mistaken. 
I wasn’t mistaken.

The side I’m on, Fred, is the one which seeks to promote the interests of my ethnic group through the use of reasoned and irrefutable argument, based on sound assumptions, verifiable fact and historical accuracy, as opposed to the side that chooses instead to rely upon reckless assertions, unsubstantiated hyperbole and the erection of imaginary windmills at which to tilt.

Posted by Dasein on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:42 | #

I don’t see anything wrong with Dan questioning the origin of the 50 million figure and whether those 50 million are necessarily going to be Africans (I think this was the claim he was challenging).

Posted by G. Haraldsen on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:06 | #

I don’t think that hand is quite as invisible as you are suggesting, in fact the principal factor that guides elite thinking on immigration and citizenship is all too obvious.
>Dan Dare

Money, power, self-satisfaction and self-righteousness.

It is the international human rights regime that sprung up after WW II as a response to the challenge of de-colonisation

If it weren’t for the jew-instigated World Wars “de-colonisation” wouldn’t have been a necessity.  So we’re right back to the jews. 

“Human rights”, although maudlin and soppy, is attractive to those who want “to make the world a better place.”  That fits into the self-righteousness part listed above.  But jews always find a way to profit from this situation (see:  immigration “non-profits”, aid program “non-profits”, the UN, etc).

the Cold War

Was a phony “clash of the civilizations” cooked up by jews and their useful idiots on both sides of the globe.  By the time of Nixon the detente that was the true state of affairs came into the open.  And by then the Soviet Union was already terminal.  The “Cold War” served as a useful distraction from the pernicious policies that the American, European and Soviet elites were enacting at home and was a wonderful excuse to build up nuclear-armed Zion-hegemonic police states.

and most importantly, the mortal blow delivered to ethno-nationalism as a respectable form of socio-political organisation by the racial policies of the Third Reich. In that sense we can view the demographic transformation currently underway as being ‘Hitler’s Revenge’.

This part, at least, I agree with.  That’s why the NS worship in our circles gets us nowhere.  The old, failed nationalism of the 20th century is a dry well for us.

But as you can see all the arguments you made circle back to jews.  They cannot be gotten around.  Our approach must change but the jews are still recognized as the chief agents of our misery.

Posted by Armor on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:03 | #

The claim, depending on whom you’re talking to, is either that it’s the most important of many factors, or that it’s one of the most important of many, and needs to be addressed as such. (—F.Scrooby)

Even if it wasn’t one of the most important factors, it should be high on our priority list because it is one of the easiest factors to address and redress (by comparison, how do you go about cancelling the right of vote for women?). We should help people realize that much of the propaganda for race-replacement is Jewish fostered, and that most non-Jewish white people are opposed to the immigration of non-whites. Once people realize that, they will stop parroting the TV out of conformism, since we mostly imitate people that we can identify with. As a next step, because Jewish organizations are not politically and culturally representative of the white majority, their representation in the media and in central institutions should be cut down in proportion to their part of the population.

Ian Jobling, Lawrence Auster, and James Kalb: Jews as Jews / Jews as generic liberals

Is there a Jewish dimension to Jewish efforts to further the liberal agenda? Yes, there is a kind of group dynamics at work within the Jewish community. There is also some antagonism between Jews and non-Jews, and the Jewish influence obviously tends to make liberalism less kind and idealistic, and more agressive towards European society. Jewish and non-Jewish people do not support gay marriage and race-replacement for exactly the same reasons. I agree that liberalism would be something else if the Jews had played no part in it.

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:13 | #

According to Fred, asking for further proof about the existence a ‘secret EU plan’ to import 50 million Africans, beyond a single article in the Sunday Express, amounts to nitpicking. I wonder if Fred is aware that the ‘perfectly sound, plausible newspaper article’ on which the case presently rests appeared in a rag that is part of Jewish porn-merchant and NuLabor benefactor Richard Desmond’s media holdings. Other notable titles in the Desmond stable include, I am given to understand, ‘Asian Babes’, ‘Big Ones’ and ‘Forty Plus’.

But that aside, I’m certainly open to persuasion should more compelling evidence eventually surface. I’d also be curious to learn how the EU is proposing to issue work-permits and visas to the 50 million, while that activity remains the prerogative of the member states.

Posted by Friedrich Braun on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:15 | #

...and most importantly, the mortal blow delivered to ethno-nationalism as a respectable form of socio-political organisation by the racial policies of the Third Reich.

1.) The National Socialist contentions with respect to race were no more and no less shocking, interesting or spectacular than similar statements made by any number of Anglo-Saxon eugenicists of the period.

2.) The Civil Rights movement and de-colonization of the Third World gained traction in the West because of the Cold War and Soviet charges of racism and discrimination.

3.) The Allies’ actions in German during and after after W.W. II (as well as the expulsion of 15-17 million Germans from Eastern Europe and the death of 3.5 million Germans AFTER the war) has been legitimized by the Allies because of the “unique evil” of the National Socialist regime. Therefore, the so-called Holocaust continues to be played up, not only by international Jewry but by the Victorious Powers, too.

One could more credibly argue that the current flooding of the Western world by Third World migrants is a Churchillian gift that keeps on giving. Many analysts foresaw that the defeat of the Third Reich entailed the collapse of the British Empire, the Sovietization of much of Europe, and the rise of America to superpower status.

Posted by Armor on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:46 | #

Dan Dare: ” I’d also be curious to learn how the EU is proposing to issue work-permits and visas to the 50 million, while that activity remains the prerogative of the member states. ”

The EU commission plans to work together with the EU member states.

—
Two BBC articles on the same subject :
EU job centres to target Africans (February 2007)
EU opens ‘job centre’ in Africa (October 2008)

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:06 | #

^

Yes, I think we’ve been over that already. It will be up to individual member states to request the EU to ‘post’ job opportunities, and to furnish the necessary work-permits and visas. If none of them elect to do so, there won’t be any jobs available for would-be migrants from Africa.

Posted by Armor on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:11 | #

Let’s agree that the influence of the EU machine on European governments over immigration matters is not a positive influence.

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:24 | #

^

Certainly, no question about it, but we shouldn’t allow the spectre of the EU divert us from focusing on the primary culprits, our national governments.

And in response to your earlier comments:

When European Justice Commissioner Jacques Barrot says that “automatic expulsion rules for entire categories are not acceptable”, it means that the EU is applying pressure on EU member countries. - Armor

I’d like to wait for more detail on the official EU response to the Italian initiatives, but just going by the mini-quote from Barrot above, I would guess that the principal objection to mass expulsions on the part of Italy are likely to be made on the grounds of the EU Directive on Racism and Xenophobia. But you’re right, pressure is being applied, it remains to be seen how effectively.

How do you think the Western European governments started to implement their race replacement policy even though most politicians opposed it ? What happened is that political pressure was applied on politicians, and they betrayed the European peoples. Now, the EU is adding its political and financial weight to the effort to race-replace us. It can’t be good.

I think this has to be examined for each of the major destination countries separately. The impetus behind the post-colonial migration, as occurred in Britain and France, was different to the stimuli that drove labour migration (Gastarbeiter) in the German-speaking countries, and different again from Benelux, which experienced both types of migration. I’d argue that what is providing the current momentum is a combination of universalist principle (the international human rights agenda) and misquided economic dogma.

Asylum, family reunion… that is where much of the immigration comes from. It does not sound as a negligible detail to me. Dasein raises another aspect of the problem: any third-worlder who receives citizenship from one EU country can move at once to another one.

I wasn’t trying to present either as a neglible detail, far from it. Family reunion is now for some countries (the USA particularly) the most important contributor to the migrant stream. The point I was making is that EU member states still maintain control over primary migration. Returning to the case of Poland, if that country decides not to issue any work permits for so-called third-country nationals, that is its prerogative. But once they let any in, then the whole panoply of EU-wide regulations concerning rights to family reunion, residence, citizenship and freedom of movement will come into effect. The key obviously is to close the door to primary migration.

Asylum is more difficult situation, but here too individual countries can still maintain a significant degree of control if there is the political will to do so. Poland’s obligations to accept potential refugees is not subject to any specific EU Directive, but rather the Geneva Refugee Convention, which the EU as a whole has commited to apply. If it chooses to strictly apply that convention as well as the Dublin Agreement (which states that potential refugees must claim asylum in the first EU country they reach) then Poland’s exposure to refugee claims, including future demands for family reunion, could be minimised.

Here is another example of an EU member state clashing with the EU commission over the immigration policy: kleinverzet (with a series of links to the blog Gates of Vienna)

Well, I think that this reinforces the point I made earlier: just don’t let them in in the first place.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:56 | #

Today’s Quiz:

Ian has suddenly taken a huge step forward in his understanding (or in his honesty, one of the other).  He does it at the following link.  See if you can spot what it is:

http://whiteamerica.us/index.php/blog/blog/new_activism_campaign_defeat_the_federal_hate_crimes_bill/

(Answer:  he admits Jews are a protected group, along with Negroes and homosexuals.  “Oh is that all?,” you’ll say.  “That’s nothing!”  But not for Ian.  For Ian it’s something.  Something huge.  He must’ve struggled with himself before he put that on the printed page and signed his name to it.  Will it be the start of more truth to come, or will that be it?  Time will tell.  My own mental Jewish dam burst somewhere in the year 2006, about a year-and-a-half after I became a regular commenter at this site.  Hey, it happens.  It can happen to Ian.)

Posted by Dasein on Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:31 | #

Maybe he’s recognized that his approach hasn’t generated him much success and that even people who are critical of Jewish influence (like Scotchfiend) are still on friendly terms with Jewish race realists (like Latte Island).  Time will tell, though.  When he concedes that ethnocentrism has a genetic component (any at all), that will be another big step.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:36 | #

Excuse me, I didn’t realize that entry I linked above, about the Zimbabwe inflation rate, dated from 2007.  Maybe the rate has come down since then?  OK let’s check Google …. let’s see ………… Uhhhhh …………  Nah, no such luck:  you still have to write it using scientific notation.  According to Forbes seven months ago (Dec. ’08) the Zimbabwe inflation rate was 6.5 x 10^108 percent (the symbol ^ means “raised to the power of”):

”In the absence of good official numbers, I’ve developed my own hyperinflation index for Zimbabwe.  I derive it from market-based price data starting in January 2007.  The index tells us that Zimbabwe’s inflation rate recently peaked at 80 billion percent a month.  That means around 6.5 quindecillion novemdecillion percent a year — or 65 followed by 107 zeros.”

[ http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/1222/106.html ]

Let’s look at that figure in perspective:  How much does the universe weigh?  Answer:  6.6 x 10^52 pounds.  (3 x 10^52 kg)  ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe )

Or how about this?  You know how small atoms are, and how big the universe is, right?  OK, how many atoms are in the universe?  Answer:  10^80.  (idem)

What the Zimbabweans keep trying to do is fix the problem by lopping zeroes off the “value” of their dollar, twelve zeroes here, twelve there, hoping the thing will come out right, but it never does:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe_dollar .

These people lopping zeroes off the Zimbabwean dollar don’t understand what Billy Preston did,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_DV54ddNHE .

Don’t forget, these are the people all the communists, left-wingers, and Jews, especially Jews (sort of the ring-leaders of the other two), wanted installed in power a quarter-century ago.  They demanded it.

Another Jewish success story, folks!