Posted by Frank on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:18 | #

So, Brits don’t even care about UKIP corruption?

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:29 | #

It’s not that, Frank, it’s that a large tranche of English (not British) voters:

1. are very anti-Establishment right now, and want to punish it by any means they can, or

2. are traditional Tory voters who, whilst denying Cameron & Co their support, can preserve their sense of respectability by voting UKIP, or

3. were persuaded by the campaign of media vilication.

As for tomorrow evening’s announcement of the European election results, I don’t feel as pessimistic as Griffin.  MR commenter Dan Dare, who is always worth careful study, found reasons to believe, and I think he may be right.  So does this more upbeat assessment on the BNP website now:-

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/will-bnp-win-one-or-four-euro-seats-an-analysis-of-local-results/

Posted by Bert Rustle on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:17 | #

As the Drive-By Media repeatedly lie by omission on matters of fact, I see no possibility whatsoever of them reporting in a balanced fashion on matters of opinion, which is what politics is. For example, whether one spends twice or three times as much on the National Health Service as on Defence is a matter of opinion, whereas the boiling point of water is a matter of fact.

Drive-By Media reporting of academic research on the existence of races is an example of repeated lying by omission on matters of fact. For example, materially significant differences in the distribution of IQ or various facets of personality.

From what I have seen on bnp.org.uk they term themselves race realists. For example acknowledging that on average Japanese people are more intelligent than English people but not hating them for it.

I would hazard a guess that the dual requirement of the Drive-By Media reporting points of fact truthfully in full and to discuss the political implications of these facts in an objective fashion is beyond the vast majority of current participants. Exception may include Nicholas Wade of the New York Times http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/w/nicholas_wade/index.html and Frank Miele http://unjobs.org/authors/frank-miele 

As such, it appears to me that any and all comment or interview would be best presented on BNPTV with the Drive-By Media left to continue their death spiral. Presumably the salary and expenses of an MEP would provide sufficient funds for such an internet based service.

Posted by Frank on Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:59 | #

Guessedworker,

thanks for that clarification. Reg. respectability though, surely no one reads who you voted for even if voting by postal ballot.

Reg. media vilification, in theory if the BNP overcomes a society that fully hates it, that could be positive in that it could obtain a real revolution, if successful. Francis: “When a new religion displaces an old one, the gods of the old faith become the demons of the new.”

Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:04 | #

Keep fighting, Mr. Griffin!

As I know pathetically little about UK politics, except ironically about the BNP, which is often discussed in places like AMERICAN RENAISSANCE and here, I have some questions for GW or knowledgeable others:

1. Is the UKIP any good? What is its REAL agenda?

2. Are either the Greens or LibDems or both further to the left than Labour? Which British party is the most leftist?

3. Which party is the most libertarian/free market? Normally, I’d be inclined to say the Tories, but in France I believe the National Front is more genuinely pro-property than the Gaullists; Enoch Powell was firmer against socialism than Thatcher.

4. Can the Greens ever be persuaded to embrace immigration restriction based on Britain’s looming (if not already exigent) problem of immigration-generated overpopulation? 

5. Are there m/any good elements on nationalist issues to be found amongst the Tories? Or are they pretty much all terrified or treasonous sell-outs like the Republicans here?

6. Wrt immigration, are Labour and LibDem now all bad, or are there still some redeeming elements, at least among their voters? The old working class was not noticeably in favor of foreign invasions.

Thanks.

Leon Haller

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:59 | #

Leon,

1. UKIP is an Establishment creation that operates as a safety valve.  It has a small membership overwhelmingly comprised of disgusted Tories, the proponderant majority of whom are over sixty years old.  It has no money.  No one outside the leadership knows where the cash came from to fight the European elections.

It is at least anti-EU, which is something.  But it is also noisily multiculturalist.  In other words, it is permitted to campaign against EU membership on the grounds that it will have no effect, and disgusted Tories everywhere can let off a bit of steam.  It is not permitted to campaign against the MultiCult.

No, it isn’t any good.

2. When the Wall came down in 1989 and the revolutionary left lost its standard-bearer it splintered, with some of the nutjobs moving into the campaign for animal rights (which was radicalised and turned to the tactics of terror).  Others moved into the Greens, where they have twisted what was a wishy-washy, sandal-wearing veggie operation dreaming about an urbanised Britain of local communes eating homegrown apples into a left-wing vehicle for national self-loathing.

Avoid.

The Liberal Democrats are the eternal bridesmaid of British politics.  They are strong in the Celtic fringe and they win a few by-elections from the Tories when the latter are in government.  Mostly, though, they religiously hope that one day one or other half of the revolving government will introduce Proportional Representation so they can work the Genscher strategy.

I don’t know what they stand for.  I have never bothered to check.

3. The Tories have a fair few free-market fanatics left over from the Thatcher revolution.  John Redwood is one.  Free markets, though, are being branded by the left as the cause of all our woes.  “Regulation!” is the cry here too.  I don’t think Cameron will be strong enough to fly in the face of it, even if he isn’t really the Blairite compassion-monger he has made himself out to be.

4. The Greens certainly should place population restriction above the push to submerge the intrinsically racist English in the MultiCult.  But they don’t because they are infected by the hard left.

5. There are a few Tories who secretly say, “It can’t be allowed to go on in silence forever”.  But past attempts to break that silence have met with very swift punishment from the heirarchy.  There is no doubt that under Cameron that punishment would in no ways be less swift or less decisive.  Cameron went the extra mile in the anti-BNP campaign.  His support for the MultiCult and for race-replacement is crystal clear.

6. I have never met any Englishman who supports the status quo.  I have met a few moral cowards and many very prisoners of the zeitgeist.  But even these don’t actually support our dispossession.  They are simply in a mess and don’t know which way to point themselves.  Inevitably, really, when the sign which says “survival” has been over-painted with “Nazi-fascist-hater-racist”.

Posted by angela on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:14 | #

Inevitably, really, when the sign which says “survival” has been over-painted with “Nazi-fascist-hater-racist”.

Beautifully said.

Posted by Friedrich Braun on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:40 | #

Is that a cross on his lapel? A reaction to the fact that Anglican clergy came out against him?

Posted by EX-TORY on Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:41 | #

SUCCESS!

BNP wins first ever seat in European elections!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/07/european-elections-manchester-liverpool

Posted by Raskolnikov on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:35 | #

The BNP has now won two seats in the European Parliament.
Nick Griffin is now an MEP.
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/bnp-wins-second-euro-seat-with-nick-griffin-victory-in-north-west/

Posted by Wandrin on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:47 | #

Inevitably, really, when the sign which says “survival” has been over-painted with “Nazi-fascist-hater-racist”.

Yes.

Posted by Bill on Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:57 | #

Congratulations in spades to Nick Griffin and the BNP - Heroes all.

Mighty oaks from little acorns grow.

Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:15 | #

Thank you for addressing my queries, GW. It seems very depressing. Even if the BNP did a bit better than expected (congrats, boys! or is it “lads” in the UK?), it would seem that the race-replacement juggernaut is either ideologically, or at least systemically, unstoppable.

Way back in the late 80s, I remember telling some older “conservative” “leaders” that the only hope for the future of the West, understood as a racial derivative of whites, would be if all race-patriotic whites from across the planet were to descend upon or immigrate to one smallish country with a low percentage of non-whites, say Ireland, or Uruguay, or even Australia, and essentially ideologically conquer it. We could make it the last redoubt of the white man (defense budget might have to be a bit high, but we could manage it), as Europe falls to the Caliphate, and North America becomes mestizoized, and later mongrelized. I was speaking slightly tongue in cheek (I had hoped Euro nationalists would have attained power long ago, and stopped immigration); it now seems like the last sensible option.

Posted by danielj on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:03 | #

Congratulations in spades to Nick Griffin and the BNP - Heroes all.

: ) Strange phrase to use.

Posted by danielj on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:04 | #

it now seems like the last sensible option.

I’m in 1000% (yes 1000%) agreement here.

I’m pan-Euro racialist at this point.

The situation is too dark and dire. (Please don’t feed me that Lord of the Rings bull shit about the night being darkest before the dawn either)

Posted by Captainchaos on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:26 | #

And I’m the one who needs to be banished metaphorically to Siberia (according to the faleocon Frank) for exhorting fanatical resistance unto death?  LOL!  Have fun in the self-imposed Siberia of defeatism girls.

Posted by danielj on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:16 | #

Regroup and retaliate then conquer.

You’re a filthy kraut though so whadda you know?

Posted by danielj on Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:32 | #

Come chat with us Captain, my Captain!