Reid my lips

Posted by Guessedworker on Monday, 07 August 2006 23:50.

Home Secretary John Reid has called for a mature debate on the immigration challenges facing Britain.

Mr Reid said: “We have to get away from this daft so-called politically correct notion that anybody who wants to talk about immigration is somehow a racist.”

Home Secretary and Scots tough guy Dr John Reid, trying to sound responsive and responsible today.

The problem is that the only discussion worth having is not really about immigration. It is about the rights and interests of the natives. It is about determining what they really want, and the practicalities of delivering that. It is about John Reid’s own politics and the treachery of the political class to which he belongs.

None of that is on John Reid’s radar, of course. Nor ever will be.

Meanwhile, he is showing a willingness to throw us one or two scraps of something like a public debate. So here are a few basic suggestions that, if I could, I would make to his face, and which I am confident would shape the debate to be mature as he could possibly wish:-

1) Exclude the voices of immigrants, whose interests always lie in encouraging more immigration.

2) Debate not just on the basis of economics but on ethnic interests. Project the demographics into the future, and tell us how things are going to be for our children and grandchildren.

3) Eliminate all the usual, rubbishy pieties about the “skills” of immigrants and the precious gifts of diversity. They only signal your lack of seriousness. Instead, be honest about racial mean IQ’s, propensities for criminality, black sexualisation etc.

4) Take your time. The English majority has been subjected to a racist official campaign of some decades longevity. Give them however long they need to recover their tongues and their sense of self-interest.

5) Be humble and penitent before the will of the people, even if you will never bring yourself to agree with it. And you won’t.

Tags: British Politics

Comments:

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:20 | #

Gw-What a series of non-elegant,straightforward,and understandable statements.One can at least determine your position and access your probity.If the “intelligentsia"would be as direct and concise,maybe we peons would have a better understanding of the world of shit we are in.Cheers & Semper Fi!

Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:46 | #

And yet, according to Pew there are few signs of a desire by Europeans [with the possible exception of Germany] to restrict immigration from the Middle East and North Africa.

A couple of the findings are bemusing. The percentage of people in the following countries who think continued immigration from the Middle East and North Africa is a good thing: Spain - 62%, France - 58%, Great Britain - 57%, Germany - 34%. This even though an overwhelming majority of people in each country are concerned about rising Islamic extremism. And more people in each of these countries believe an Islamic identity distinct from a national identity is growing: Spain - 46% (compared to 36% holding a contrary view), France - 68%, Britain - 69%, Germany - 72%. The public in these places that feel a Muslim identity is growing firmly believe that this trend is a bad thing: Spain - 82%, France - 87%, Britain - 59%, Germany - 83%.

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=254

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2006/08/pew-on-views-concerning-muslims.html

http://www.parapundit.com/archives/003629.html#003629

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:04 | #

Are Brits going to sleep each night with their thumbs in their mouths,expecting the “government"to provide sanctity and solace to all,while allowing blacks,muslims,yobs,and other detrious to control neighborhoods? If so,they are NOT the Brits of Churchill and the 40’s.Testosterone shots all around!

Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:07 | #

John Reid, a reformed alcoholic,lapsed Catholic and former member of the British Communist Party, possesses a PhD in sociology (or socialistology,as it might be more accurately termed) and his doctoral thesis featured the erstwhile slave-economy of Africa. Reid is married to a South American whose leftist sympathies are considerable.

He cares nothing for immigration control and this ‘new policy’ is simply a ruse which Labour hopes will help them gull the electorate of Britain’s rapidly browning ochlocracy and enable continuance of the terminal treachery which the rotting carcass of the UK has long experienced.

Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:15 | #

British bathers [among others] aid African “migrants” at Tenerife.

While many of the sunbathers at Playa La Tejita, a mile-long stretch of sand in the south of the island of Tenerife, watched in disbelief, others ran into the sea and hauled out Africans who were too weak to wade to safety.

As the men collapsed on the sand, weighed down by layers of sodden clothing, tourists covered them in towels and offered them water and whatever food they had left over from their day at the beach.

“The beach-goers did really brilliantly,” said Austin Wainwright, the local co-ordinator of the Spanish Red Cross, who arrived on the beach with his team within 15 minutes of the boat’s arrival on Thursday. “By the time we got there, every immigrant had someone helping them.”

Posted by ben tillman on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:43 | #

“Muslims in Europe worry about their future, but their concern is more economic than religious or cultural.”

Yeah—because there’s nothing to worry about in those respects. They are strong, and their hosts are weak. They can control those things, while unemployment etc. are beyond their control.

Posted by ben tillman on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:49 | #

“Take your time. The English majority has been subjected to a racist official campaign of some decades longevity. Give them however long they need to recover their tongues and their sense of self-interest.”

Yes, good point.

Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:37 | #

Desmond Jones’s interesting post illustrates the immensity of Europe’s self-inflicted difficulties.

Instead of blockading the Canary Islands with fast naval patrol boats commanded by officers empowered to sink any craft carrying illegal Africans, stupid Whites form welcoming committees for the savages who, thanks to their scofflaw attitude to EU territorial integrity, will very soon be their masters.

Europe is receiving exactly what it deserves.

Posted by Kenelm Digby on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:50 | #

Desmond Jones’ picture of White tourists saving the lives of black migrants should be saved and used against the leftists, black nationalists, south sian stirrers etc, everywhere who try very hard to smear the White race is uniquely evil and racially prejudiced.
As you can tell from my posts, I am ferociously opposed to non-White immigration, and believe that once these blacks have recovered they should be sent packing, forthwith, from whence they came, with no quarter given.
But my point is, if these unfortunates washed up on a beach populated by a wealthy ethnicity of any race other than White, they would literally be to rot, with sea-gulls pecking out their eyes and crabs gnawing at their bodies.

Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:08 | #

Likely so, Kenelm. However, my friendly adversary Desmond’s point is that this noble response is a naturally selected sign of our impending demise, a propos my summation of his position in my Sympathy post down the front page.

My argument, for what it’s worth, is that such charity flows from our inner striving for the light, and that from a Darwinian perspective this is a function of sexual, not natural selection.

Posted by Calvin on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:24 | #

“However, my friendly adversary Desmond’s point is that this noble response is a naturally selected sign of our impending demise”
If White people really were incapable of acting in their own self-interest there would be no need for the media to lie about the extent of anti-White racism (two thirds of all racist attacks in the UK committed against Whites). There would be no need to make Kriss Donald (White victim of the worst ever racist murder in the UK) dissapear down the memory hole and to elevate unsolved murder victims like Steven Lawrence to iconic status as victims of White racism. This isn’t about White people being too dumb to survive, it’s about a minority ideology siezing control of the media and mass-entertainment industries. The solution is a mass re-education programme. We ought to concentrate a little less on analysis and a bit more on strategy and tactics.

Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:07 | #

Calvin,

Darwin does suggest that outgroup sympathy is re-inforced by public opinion, however, if you compare the events on the beach at Tenerife with the killing of Indian fishermen in the Andamans, it clearly illustrates Darwin’s point of the moral distance between savage and civilized man.

One of the world’s last Stone Age tribes has murdered two fishermen whose boat drifted on to a desert island in the Indian Ocean.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/08/wsent08.xml

Even the distance between Kenelm Digby’s position [who has a great name ] and the Sentinelese tribesmen is immense. Kenelm shows sympathy for the drowning Africans. Rescue them and then repatriate. The Sentinelese, unlike Kenelm, kill the ‘helpless’ Africans on the spot.

Posted by Calvin on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:33 | #

Desmond, I take your point…..............Kenelm Digby is a great name! No, seriously I take your point. What I’m getting at is that, if left to their own devices, the majority of White people generally do display a strong streak of ethnic self interest, can we really claim that we are genetically hardwired for exploitation by outgroups? You could make an analogy between White attitudes to mass-immigration in the present day and Black attitudes to slavery historically. Black kings were willing, indeed eager, to sell their own people into slavery. This could be interpreted as indicating that Blacks are hardwired for self-destruction. I feel that it’s more of a software problem.

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:00 | #

Calvin,I’ve got to start reading your posts more carefully-your response to Desmond was classic[at least to me].you are apparently somewhere between me and On Holiday,but not as blunt or obtuse.I can usually understand your point the first reading-gratifying!

Posted by DJ on Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:22 | #

Looks like the Pakis are at it again in the UK.

http://www.lse.co.uk/FinanceNews.asp?shareprice=&ArticleRef=33223&ArticleHeadline=TERROR_ALERT_UK_police_say_21_people_in_custody_after_foiled_terror_plot_UPDATE