The case for Inevitablism Today the quality British papers have carried articles uniformly decrying the Austrian election result. As one would expect, it’s all “far right” this and “extremist” that. But I’ve been struck by how many readers commenting on the threads take issue with these sentiments. Ten or fifteen years ago, any sympathy for Germanic nationalism would have been completely beyond the pale. Eight years ago, when Haider’s Freedom Party entered government with Wolfgang Schüssel’s People’s Party, the mandarins of the EU felt bold enough to issue sanctions against Austria for voting “wrongly”. Today that is beyond the pail. Now, I’m no Inevitablist, and should a wave of mass revulsion of the MultiCult actually sweep Europe’s nationalists into office over the next decade, my immediate concern would be that their intellectual roots are too shallow to give the required coup de grace to liberalism and all its works (and its workers). But it is impossible to explain to a man who has been confined for so very long that the first openings of the door aren’t the beginnings of his freedom. He is going to will it to be anyway. Here are some thread comments to illustrate the point that there is a crack in the door. They are taken from the thread to a confused and rambling but PeeCee piece in the Telegraph titled “Far-Right’s showing in Austria’s election is worrying”.
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Posted by Diamed on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:14 | # It’s not enough. Popular opinion polls range from 60-80% opposed to immigration and this kind of venting against immigration is always happening, but nothing is ever done about it. Until people are willing to make immigration their priority, over the economy, over religion, over ‘freedom’, over any other issue the politicians will continue to import foreigners while we endlessly complain but keep voting them in. I’m afraid having the majority of people anti-immigrant does nothing to bring an anti-immigrant party to power. Remember the Austrian government will still not actually consist of these anti-immigrant parties and they’ll be kept out by the standard cordonne sanataire. Le Pen got 2nd in the french election but that didn’t help any either. 3
Posted by Englander on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:41 | # I remember commenting not so long ago that the replies to these mainstream media stories were becoming more and more in line with nationalist sentiment, but even since then the swing seems to have been even sharper. It’s difficult to even find any negativity within the comments on all of the telegraph stories I have read relating to this Austrian election result. There really is a wide gulf between what the journalist has written and what the reading public seem to believe, and I see no reason to believe that these aren’t mostly just normal folk of the type who make use of the popular media available to them. 4
Posted by cladrastis on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:45 | # their intellectual roots are too shallow to give the required coup de grace to liberalism and all its works In this emerging time of crisis, we need more unified doctrines, pamphlets, and solutions - and all of these should take European sociobiological constraints into account. Much of the material is already out there, but much like Marx’s Communist Manifesto, it needs to be compiled into something more streamlined and collected - and distributed widely. The bailout plan on the Hill indicates that people are becoming more and more fed up with the status quo. The people want solutions, and we should help them find those solutions. 5
Posted by Tired of Idiots on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:47 | # Get the Muslims out of Europe now! It will be the greatest achievement. You must act now—demand they either assimilate (which they wont) or leave. If you make it so comfy and hospitable for them, of course they are going to come by the millions. No one wants to touch on Islam Supremacy, especially not Europe, epitome of all things liberal. This is not a racial issue, but a cultural one. Stand up brave white men and fight for your culture, you ancestral homeland. Call your people (that want to go) home (to Europe only) and show them the virtues of a homogeneous nation. A nation with pork and flowing female hair and One Language. Teach them diversity is a choice, not mandatory. Be fucking men, and say GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW! With peace and understanding in your hearts. Will you continue to cower? 6
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:10 | #
It’s a racial one, sugar. 7
Posted by Tired of Idiots on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:25 | # It’s a racial one, sugar. It just has to be, doesn’t it? Is it not more effective to take the cultural standpoint? It is, perhaps, less polarizing and without the default defense of one’s tolerance of other races, as the good world instills. See, when one uses the Cultural Angle, it makes it less personal. Present the food in the most attractive way, and even the bursting full will have to take a bite. Sometimes you have to be slippery. 8
Posted by Catfish LeRoy on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:26 | # Absolutely right, Fred. This is one of those rare, morale-boosting victories that are only going to become MORE frequent in the very near future. Great post, GW: Like a VisMin at MacDonald’s, “I’m LUVIN’ it!” 9
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:28 | # It has to be stated explicitly that it’s racial. The other side can get around any argument for “culture” that doesn’t include race. They can’t get around race, which is why they go ballistic the instant it’s so much as mentioned. 10
Posted by Captainchaos on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:56 | # “The other side can get around any argument for “culture” that doesn’t include race.” - Fred Scrooby That’s why paleocons are utterly impotent in the fight to save even their culture. No White race, no Western culture. Many of them want their people to survive, but they don’t even have the stones to say it on the INTERNET unless someone kicks them in the ass first. Just once I would like to see old man Buchanan say EXPLICITLY that he wants his race to survive. 11
Posted by Tired of Idiots on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:58 | # It has to be stated explicitly that it’s racial. The other side can get around any argument for “culture” that doesn’t include race. They can’t get around race, which is why they go ballistic the instant it’s so much as mentioned. Which, of course, leaves room for white supremacy, right? And here, for a brief moment, I thought it might not have been personal. Alas. Oh, yeah, and what did you all do today to advance WN? What mustard seed did you plant? Don’t tell me not using the Paki’s kettle water to make your pot noodle. 12
Posted by Captainchaos on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:26 | # “Which, of course, leaves room for white supremacy, right?” - Tired of Idiots If we separate from them we can’t reign supreme over them now can we? There are 200 million people of European descent on the North American contintent - we are not going anywhere. If a homeland for Whites only is to be carved out vis-a-vis us it wil happen right here. Sorry to break that to you. 13
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:54 | # Tires of Idiots, does it hurt to be constantly put in your place? Every five minutes is a lot for a person to endure, no? Why don’t you give up and get pregnant, barefoot, and back in the kitchen, hun? 14
Posted by Captainchaos on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:30 | # “Why don’t you give up and get pregnant, barefoot, and back in the kitchen, hun?” - Fred Scrooby Tired of Idiots will eventually succumb to the virility of the White Man and have some “mustard seeds” planted in her. 15
Posted by torgrim on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:01 | # There are 200 million people of European descent on the North American continent-we are not going anywhere. Thanks right Tired. Bet on it, or don’t…You see a lot of our ancestors are buried here. They built this place and they extended the life carrying capacity for millions, here and the rest of the world. 16
Posted by Young Nationalist on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:01 | # How does this affect WNs in North America? Certainly this is good news, very good news. But what lesson(s) can US WNs take from it? The Paleocons have completely dropped the ball on the issue of race and immigration. Those lily-livered intellectuals deem themselves too high-falutin’ to dirty themselves wading about in the muck and mire of practical politics. And that is precisely why they have become irrelevant. In a war, you don’t send betweeded academics to do your fighting for you. They are more likely to engage the enemy in a lively debate on the finer points of Aristotle’s On Politics, than to shoot him dead and send his corpse back to Mexico City, Lagos, Shanghai, Washington DC, or wherever. 17
Posted by Copyeditor on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:28 | # Small point… GW: “Today that is beyond the pail.” It’s actually “beyond the PALE,” which comes from the Pale of Settlement in Eastern Europe and Russia where Jews were legally confined (like the terrible plague which they are) by the Czarist government in order to keep them from doing widespread damage to and exploiting the native populace. 18
Posted by Desmond Jones on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:07 | #
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Posted by Tired of Idiots on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:02 | # Tires of Idiots, does it hurt to be constantly put in your place? Every five minutes is a lot for a person to endure, no? Why don’t you give up and get pregnant, barefoot, and back in the kitchen, hun? No one has put me in my place, and definitely not you—the least capable. If we separate from them we can’t reign supreme over them now can we? There are 200 million people of European descent on the North American contintent [sic] - we are not going anywhere. If a homeland for Whites only is to be carved out vis-a-vis us it wil [sic] happen right here. Sorry to break that to you. I see. A country also built on the backs of blacks, at the expense of Native Americans. Laughable. I think you’re afraid of Europe. Europe will eat you alive and shit you out like it does daily to idiots. Violent. Idiotic. Typical failed life thinking. Tired of Idiots will eventually succumb to the virility of the White Man and have some “mustard seeds” planted in her. Yes, I await the day. He won’t be a WN. 20
Posted by Othelma_Jr on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:55 | #
If ones needs unified doctrines look no further then Yockey or Evola! Both did write some pamphlete sized types stuff so it is out there: The Francis Parker Yockey Collection (I am thinking Proclamatin of London here!) Baron Julius Evola - Traditionalist Visoinary Also American Free Press is good to hand out as well… Heck even an Ed Steele ‘nickel rant’ may be good. 21
Posted by Bill on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:19 | # Right from the first moment of awareness of immigration into this country, (but not then aware of its purpose and intentions) I instinctively thought endless immigration will not be tolerated by the mass of the British people. I’m going back a few years here. Then came my quest for answers and my awakening, only to see that the onslaught of Britain continued unabated with practically no resistance, what was going on? How could it be? The phrase all the rage during this period was, why wasn’t anyone talking about the elephant in the Room? (seems it was light years ago) Things have moved on, as they say. Trouble is with me, and I suspect most commenting, is that we find ourselves repeating ourselves over and over. (With me it is to address the chance visitor who like me, is searching for answers) but I’m not revisiting here all of the reasons why there was no opposition to the liberal consensus of immigration – I’m getting tired of repeating myself. My guiding light in life is Mother Nature; whenever sorting out a human problem it is to nature I seek the answers. I could digress here at length about how my dog, every day without fail, gives out an ear piercing yell every time the nearby resident squirrel helps himself to the nuts on the bird table. My dog has never formally met squirrel Nutkin, they have never been introduced, but when let out, my dog races from 0-60 in two seconds before launching himself at the unwelcome guest, who nimbly skips up and away in a trice - yelling I’ll be back! No matter how much I try and explain to my quivering hound that Nutkin only wants his breakfast - it makes no difference, my dog hates this squirrels presence on it’s territory, it’s a blot on my dog’s landscape and nothing I say or do, is ever going to change my dog’s mind. It’s official then! The Lib/Lab/Con is but one harmonious club. Yesterday, at the Conservative party conference, its leader David Cameron, in a dramatic gesture threw away his prepared speech for the day and declared from now on he would be Mr. Gravitas, for he and his party would all join hands to sort out the economic crisis. In other words, due to the World’s economic breakdown, his party was to reach out to the government in solidarity of support of the government’s measures to minimise the effects on the British public. How very noble and cosy, what ever made me think they were competing for political territory? The left media can never win this war of inevitability, whoever heard of anyone risking death for tolerance? Nationalism has good reasons to fight, reasons which the left simply don’t understand and never will, but this of course doesn’t mean the left won’t kill millions of us in demonstrating how tolerant they are. 22
Posted by EA (European American) Steve on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:03 | # One of the letter-writers called the Austrian election result a breath of fresh air. So it was, and so are all these letters: a breath of fresh air, filling grateful lungs! I just read every one of them. Pure oxygen! Thank you for posting this. To call these letters delightful wouldn’t do them justice. What they are is soul-satisfying.
Let’s use Austria’s rise in nationalism, and the incident of Telegraph readers coming to their senses, as inspirations, in our continuing fight for Christian and European survival! 23
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:40 | # Copyeditor, I will allow that you could be right about the pale. But I caught Michael Wood’s contribution to the BBC’s Medieval Season several day ago now, in which he actually referred to the genesis of the expression. I forget now exactly what he said, but it was to do with some food production process, I think. So if I’m wrong, he is. 24
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:28 | # Notice a couple of things: one, those letters taken as a whole leave nothing out, not one thing, in regard to what the problem is and what needs to be done. So we see the ordinary people’s, the race’s, natural-born wisdom is throughgoing and complete. Everything is there. Race is of course, there, not just “culture.” Race, God bless them! I love them! Yes it’s there and clear as crystal even where they don’t use that word. It’s unmistakable all throughout their expressions of concern. Repatriation is even in there, so the idea that the other side must not be allowed a partial victory in the form of race-replacement to the tune of a certain limited percentage of the British population left in place as a fait accompli. These good folk recognize that must not be allowed to happen, but what’s been broken racially must be fully, humanely restored to its original racial condition, ESPECIALLY since no one among the target population was ever ONCE asked if they wanted this! Also, and this was gratifying to me since I’ve tried to make this point also, was the several correspondents who disputed the characterization of this Austrian party as “far right.” They’re not “far right” but centrist and in my view slightly to left of center. I also am not “far right” but, the same as this party, middle-of-the-road and in fact slightly left of center. That was number one, the way everything was in those letters taken as a whole, all the main points, all the essentials (and these are ordinary folk, not academics! Their ordinary native folk wisdom gets it right, utterly outclassing that of the academics, even high ones like Roger Scruton). Number two: when you consider the way the MSM for many long years, nay decades, has been suppressing all expression along the lines of what’s in these letters you can only conclude the ones calling the shots behind the scenes specifically wanted a mixed-race Britain and nothing rocking the boat before the inevitability of that had been set in train. No other conclusion can be drawn, which is why I always say this race-replacement being done on purpose. Had there not been that pre-conceived goal privately held, the editors, publishers, and owners would have seen no particular reason to suppress any and all questioning of excessive incompatible immigration’s wisdom, would they? Had they been merely honestly reporting the facts of the way the world was going or whatever, they’d have taken a look at those questioning government policy and said, “Here are some opposing views, let’s see how the readership responds and how this shakes out after discussion.” But no, those opposing views were methodically suppressed when it was obvious the present course led only to one end-result, a mixed-race Britain. It was too obvious for these controllers to not see of course, as any six-year-old child can see it. So, they saw it. We know that, because it’s obvious. And they suppressed all expression in opposition to it. That we also know. Therefore they wanted it to come about. That’s clear. Well, what’s “it”? “It” is race-replacement of the U.K. They knowingly sought the U.K.‘s race-replacement. If that’s the case why are they letting letters like the above through now? Answer: They’re scared. Have you read about armed rebellions? Have you seen photos of any? It’s not pretty what happens in them. That’s going through their minds right now, as they ask themselves if it’s worth keeping the lid fastened tightly on the pressure cooker, and they’ve decided no, the risk to themselves if there’s a violent explosion isn’t worth it, and they’d better let off some steam. Are they reversing course? Of course not: they still think they can win this thing in the end and get Britain race-replaced. But in the short term they’ve decided to let off some steam so the pressure cooker doesn’t blow sky-high right this minute. 26
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:35 | # The BBC web-site has published a photo of Tired of Idiots with this article (just under the headline, to the right). You know, that’s exactly how I pictured her! Amazing! I must be clairvoyant! 27
Posted by Young Nationalist on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:19 | # Tired of Idiots “Violent. Idiotic. Typical failed life thinking. “Failed life”? Keep dreaming, and keep telling yourself that, bitch. You really have nothing to add here, ToI. Run along now. Go back to your negro, which is the only kind of “man” women like you are able to attract. I mean, why settle for a real man when you can keep a pet chimp? Happy Oktoberfest! 28
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:32 | # Young Nationalist, I’ll allow that youth is inclined to impetuosity where reflection might serve it better. So I am not being ungenerous when I ask you, please, to strictly observe the rules of the house ... no racial abuse allowed. The only way you, as an ambassador for our people, stand any chance of smuggling disrespectful racial commentary past me is if it is leavened with, and redeemed by, wit and wisdom. Short of that, please leave it at the door. 29
Posted by Young Nationalist on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:41 | # Fair enough. BTW, the ‘Happy Oktoberfest!’ comment was dripping with sarcasm. For what it’s worth. 31
Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:12 | # Yes, Young Nationalist, one must be careful not to heap calumny on chimps, domesticated or otherwise. These intelligent, anthropoid apes often display superior offspring-rearing skill sets to those of the racial group to which you alluded. 32
Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:22 | # Tired of Idiots made reference to ‘White Supremacy’ in this thread but I dont suppose she has thinks very much about what she writes. Every race views itself as superior and if we Whites do so we are only indulging in a tautology. In fact, I would bet that most of my fellow WNs would settle for White Separatism instead of precarious, apartheid-style, minority-positioned White Supremacy any time. 34
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:31 | #
Excellent point by Al: who wants to live as a ruling white minority exercising “supremacy” over the sea of non-whites that surround it? None of us, that’s for sure. We want racially homogeneous communities and nation-states where there’s just us, no one to lord it over. Just us. That’s not white supremacy. 35
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:28 | # In this important new speech, http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1310&Itemid=1 , Geert Wilders says many right things and many wrong things. The wrongest of the wrong things is:
That, the wrongest thing he says in this speech which is right in so many ways, nearly nullifies the rest all by itself. 36
Posted by Al Ross on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:33 | # The Muslim immigrants will begin to assimilate when Whites give up alcohol and pork-guzzling, convert to the monotheistic paganism of Islam, then cultivate the time-honoured Islamic customs of sitting on the floor and eating all 3course meals with our fingers. Also, there’s the matter of the alteration of toilet bowl logisitics so that no ‘cans’ face Mecca, not to mention the prayer to the Arab tribal moon-god every 4hours, 48 minutes daily. Quite simple really. 37
Posted by EA Steve on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:41 | # I agree with Al and Fred. We don’t want “supremacy,” ruling over another race. It’s ironically the Establishment, which does. Just look at Mexico; therein, a Spanish ethnic elite controls the Idigeneous and part-Black population. That is a caste system, which likely will be duplicated in America (only with non-Spanish Whites and NE Asians on top). Maybe one idea, would be to turn the whole continent Brown Hispanic, and have a North American Union, followed by a Hispanic (North and South) American Union. I am not a conspiracy theorist; this is only a possible idea, for some of the elite. It’s ironic, when the race-mixing elites, call us racial supremacists. We just want our own countries, while they want a racial caste system. 38
Posted by torgrim on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:09 | # “I agree with Fred and Al. We don’t want supremacy…”—-(EA Steve) Add my name too, with Fred, Al and EA Steve. In fact, my g.grandfather, once arrived in New York,- took one look around, and walked to Chicago, then went west from there, and he like so many from Europe, carved out a place for his family, with his own hands. Supremacy is not what founded this country, it was founded by the Yeoman farmer. The caste system was and is a failed system, just look at Mexico! And that is the reason, so many of us do not want another illegal in this country, as they bring their caste system/culture, when they arrive, enmass. As for giving up “alcohol and pork guzzling”, (Al Ross), I must say, you make a good case for drinking and eating, both….! 39
Posted by Desmond Jones on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:35 | # The anomaly is, that is was white supremacy (or more accurately Anglo-Saxon supremacy) upon which the notion of Manifest Destiny was built and which fueled the western expansion. Anglo-Americans believed that “the peoples of large parts of the world were incapable of creating efficient, democratic and prosperous governments;” and that a stable world order and economic growth could only be accomplished by the triumph of Western Christian civilization. Denying white supremacy is, in a way, embracing racial egalitarianism. Why will the missions in Afghanistan and Iraq fail? Why are Africa and India basket cases? The Smart fraction II; why does China lag? Why, despite his best efforts, was Charles Murray in his treatise, On Human Accomplishment, unable to statistically transcend the very facts staring him in the face? The reasons are little different than those espoused by Anglo-Americans over two hundred years ago. “the peoples of large parts of the world were incapable of creating efficient, democratic and prosperous governments;” 40
Posted by torgrim on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:49 | # Desmond Jones, I think we were discussing the issue of “ruling over”, a population, not the supremacy or lack thereof, of the value of Western Civilization. The issue I think we were discussing is about seperation. 41
Posted by Desmond Jones on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:39 | # There must be a reason for separation. One is that living together is suicidal, exogamy is inevitable. The other is if we live together, the more advanced group is destined to triumph, regardless. 42
Posted by Matra on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:01 | # One is that living together is suicidal, exogamy is inevitable. The other is if we live together, the more advanced group is destined to triumph, regardless. If suicidal exogamy is inevitable then we most certainly are not destined to triumph. 43
Posted by Matra on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:11 | # Here are some thread comments to illustrate the point that there is a crack in the door. They are taken from the thread to a confused and rambling but PeeCee piece in the Telegraph Ditto this piece from the philo-semitic Pajamas Media. A typical response from ‘Eric’:
Note the headline: Austrian Party That Wants to Bring Back Nazi Imagery Wins Big From what I can make out the party merely opposes totalitarian laws banning Nazi imagery. In other words they support something we used to take for granted called freedom of expression. 44
Posted by Al Ross on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:55 | # Anglo Saxon supremacy didnt count for much during the Norman conquest of England, but I suppose that event was pretty much an intra-Nordic altercation. 45
Posted by Desmond Jones on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:56 | #
The criteria was not the winning of every battle ever fought but the creation of efficient, democratic and prosperous governments; The Normans introduced feudalism and strong centralised government to England but not Roman Law. A new body of Anglo-Norman law evolved based on Anglo-Saxon common law and Norman feudalism.
Whether or not its true really does not matter. The belief that it was true lead to the establishment of an Anglo-Saxon commonwealth across North America. 46
Posted by Al Ross on Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:46 | # Jefferson’s inclusion of Jewish motifs was probably more of a nod to the myths of The Enlightenment’s most fashionable pastime for gentlemen, viz., speculative Freemasonry, (of which Jefferson, like many of the Declaration of Independence signatories, was a practitioner) than anything else. 47
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:34 | # Regardless, Al, the point is Jefferson built a supremacy myth, that fueled the building of a nation. The ‘Sopranos’ was interesting, despite the fact that many did not recognise it, but it too was partly about building a supremacy myth. The rank and file decried it. ”...it demeans and stereotypes Italian Americans”...“The show’s popularity rests greatly upon the fact that Americans with their “WASPish” aspirations to propriety suffer horribly from “passion-envy”...or “the newly affluent generation is unaware that the largest mass lynching in US history was of Italian American laborers in New Orleans, 1891?” All negative stuff. However, Tony continued to build on themes that provided an insight to an Italian nation residing in American.
Therein lies the stuff of nationhood. We were better than them ‘cause they couldn’t do the stuff we did. 48
Posted by Al Ross on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:46 | # Also, Desmond, that which fueled the building of a nation included finance from the usual Semitic source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Solomon I appreciated your Sopranos reference and it reminded me of a scene in which a Jew tells mob members : “You’re lookin’ at ‘em” 49
Posted by torgrim on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:14 | # “According to the defenders of the privileges of parliament, the English possess a natural sense of liberty which came, with the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, from the northern forests of Germany.” The idea of an assembly of free-holders, that would consent to give loyalty to a chieftain/king, come from this racial group, the tribes of the forests of northern Germany. Common law, laws laid down through usage, layers, lag or orlag, (O.N.) truly, defend the individual from the tyrant, which is just the opposite, with most of mankind. Manifest Destiny, was inevitable, if the “commonwealth of N.America”, were to survive. California, is a good example; contrary to the propaganda of our day, California was a backwater, ill governed, poorly funded, appendage of Mexico. Two leaders at the time of the Bear Flag Revolt, Pio Pico, the administrative functionary at the Pueblo, Los Angeles, and the military authority, Don Castro of Monterey, California, were in a disbute about monies collected, from tariffs, collected at the only authorized port of California, Monterey. It seems, that Don Castro was keeping the fees and not dispersing the monies to his adjutant, Pio Pico. A military detachment was sent to collect and at the same time, the British were off shore with a military flotilla, and so were the Americans, even the Russians were considering, the weakness of this far flung, colony of Mexico. The regular army in Alta California, was made up of, recently released prisoners from Mexico City, and they too were adding to the chaos, by raping and stealing, from the ranchos in the San Fernando Valley…. I think this makes a case for the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon form of government, even the Mexican General Don Vallejo, recognized this fact. 50
Posted by silver on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:58 | #
To deny whites have the duty to rule the world (your definition of “white supremacy”) is in no way to embrace racial egalitarianism. 51
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:05 | # Duty is “the social force that binds you to the courses of action demanded by that force;” Entitled, in this case, means qualified by excellence. There is a difference. Denying excellence is embracing equality. 52
Posted by silver on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:45 | #
Very well, let’s amend my statement:
I can’t imagine how disturbing it must be to be unable to pinpoint an ‘ought’ in Darwin, but, really Desmond, I can’t see how playing the evil twin of po-mo—everything whites ever did was right—helps your case. 53
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:52 | #
Manifest destiny A people chosen “to establish on earth the moral dignity and salvation of man”. To deny it is to embrace the “other” as equal. 54
Posted by silver on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:04 | # Well, you’re ruling them now. Rather than you go to them, they’ve come to you. How’s that working out for you? (This is quite incredible, actually. Even coming from you.) 55
Posted by Fr. John on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:23 | # Unbelievably, American Renaissance carried an article on this same topic: http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/09/austrian_voters.php “The Jewish and Islamic community have protested against the extreme agendas of the far-right politicians.” AND THEY PRINTED IT!? I continually strive to push the envelope over at AMREN since coward Taylor enacted his ‘Heischkeitsreichskanzellor’ censors, and many times, I am barred from posting for a month or so, yet ‘jewamongyou’ and others of his race, is/are DAILY free to say what they think. That this got through (and I do it merely to annoy- I mean, who would want the Nazis and their ideology back, right?) makes me wonder… is the cognitive dissonance about the Deicides becoming to great for even TAYLOR to ignore any further? Right… and the Obamanation is dedicated to the rights of the indigenous Palestinians over in the Middle East. 56
Posted by Fr. John on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:44 | # Sigh, I am SO ‘tired of idiots.’ ...Which, of course, leaves room for white supremacy, right? And here, for a brief moment, I thought it might not have been personal. Alas. What else is there for our salvation BUT ‘white supremacism’? (your term, not mine) But seriously, if it were not for Christendom, and the achievements of the White/Caucasoid race, (the REAL ‘white supremacism’) we’d all still be trapped by non-existent forms of horse-powered transport, cooking with fires only, disease and death, and architecture the equivalent (maybe) of Norman architecture… and all this talk would be moot, for we would not have ‘imported’ the non-Whites into our culture in the first place!
I plant it every day, in that I homeschool my children, and I teach them the greatness of their race, their culture, ther European faith in the ‘White Man’s God,’ and also of the lies of the Jews and the Niggers- the former that they are in ANY way related to the ‘children of God;’ and the latter’ their amoral, bestial, and functionally mentally-retarded state as compared to Caucasians. ...A country also built on the backs of blacks, at the expense of Native Americans. Laughable. Yes, it is laughable. Slavery is an INESCAPABLE construct. The Bible clearly teaches this. Moreover, the ‘backs’ of conquered and less ‘survival of the fittest’ nations, is a HISTORICAL fact- whether one is a Biblicist or a Darwinian Atheist, or merely a Jewish Supremacist. You can’t escape it, and all the blathering on of ‘our diversity is our strength’ increasingly falls into the category of “Arbeit Macht Frei,” or other outmoded constructs. I find today that Indians (because of the work of Mr. de Nugent over at Stormfront, the idea that Indians are ‘native’ to my continent no longer holds water - cf. Solutreans, and the film “Ice Age Columbus”... as well as the Celtic Monks, the Nordic explorers, Vinland, L’Anse aux Meadows, etc. ad nauseum) who gain ALL the benefits of a ‘sovereign nation’ while also expecting the benefits of American Citizens (a clear ‘having your cake and eat it, too’ scenario!) and then use their ‘special people status’ to build ‘Lost Wages’ fleecing type of operations TAX FREE, [Casinos on reservation land] are utter con artists, and leeches on American society….much like the people who taught them to do this…. the Jews. And the Blacks? Ha ha. After Katrina, after OJ, after Rodney King, after the OBAMANATION, as well as the ‘I’m black I don’t do that sh*t’ attitude so recently on display in the Olympics, when it comes to displays of patriotrism, brotherhood, or solidarity with such bestial bipeds, all of it merely serves to UTTERLY NEGATE ANY CLAIM ON MY HEART OR HEAD, that such lower races are, in ANY SHAPE, my equals. I read in a subsequent entry on this board that you hoped you would be impregnated by a non-White. May it be so, and may your family line vanish off the face of the earth, if you repent not. As a mere woman, frankly, how Dare you strive to talk back to your betters, Madam. Better to ‘learn in all subjection’ and ask your lawful Head to teach you in humility at home, than show yourself an intellectual whore. 57
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:28 | #
Not well because the “other” is embraced as an equal. 58
Posted by Al Ross on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:35 | # Whites would be much better off adhering to a philosophy derived from the Laws of Nature than from the Semitic Laws of Moses: http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2008/09/30/national-socialism-the-biological-world-view/ Thanks to Friedrich Braun’s blog. 59
Posted by Al Ross on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:56 | # The ‘other’ may not be embraced as an equal for much longer in the US. Instead, the ‘other’ might well be conferred with superior legal status as soon as Whites sink into the minority status that so many bogus-refugee-importing Christian groups desire for them. 60
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:19 | # Salter makes the case that non-Utopian liberalism is adaptive in an ethnically homogeneous society. Freedom of association, speech and contract was considered by Milton (and Jefferson) as gifts from God. However, he argued they can be seen as “natural in the anthropological sense”. Thus as Torgrim suggests, “Common law, laws laid down through usage, layers, lag or orlag, (O.N.) truly, defend the individual from the tyrant”, which is, per Salter, “adaptive because it prevents petty tyrants from increasing their rank and hence relative fitness at the expense of others”. “Nationalism was the form in which democracy appeared in the world, contained in the idea of nation as a butterfly in a cocoon.” 61
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:39 | # Al, From Friedrich’s link:-
No, that’s social darwinism, not evolution theory. Populations are not subject to biological selection. Genes are subject to natural selection. Illiterate idiot. Al, do you really think that NS is “a philosophy of life”? It lifted the “life” part from the populist völkischers, of whom Friedrich’s “greatest man in history” said that had they understood power and known how to bring their supporters out on the streets they would have seized the day after the failed communist revolution in 1918. NS would never have got off the ground. The rest of the NS platform was pseudo-science and lots of really, really mad dreaming, and I mean insanely mad dreaming which any normal Brit will treat with the derision it richly deserves. To accept NS as a life-philosophy and the best available political expression of European interests, one has to believe that it is somehow acceptable and positive for “the strong” Ayran in a ridiculous little uniform to drive out a third of the “the weak” Slavs from their homelands, and enslave the rest. Social darwinism is not a life-philosophy but a bad excuse for the opposite. NS coopted it as a justification for its own unbridled arrogance, and probably never really believed in it - or anything, actually, but the will to power. 62
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:59 | # Natural selection is “the differential survival and/or reproduction of individuals within a population based on hereditary characteristics; or Differential survival and reproduction among members of a population or species in nature, due to variation in the possession of adaptive genetic traits”. Thus those with the adaptive traits, produce more offspring. However, there are mitigating circumstances. Darwin’s example of the Scots and Irish for instance. The Irish produce more children, are 5/6ths of the population, the Scots produce less but own 5/6ths of the assets. Which is more adaptive? Social Darwinism is natural selection without sympathy.
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Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:59 | # It doesnt much matter, Desmond, if the Scots, a group to which,incidentally, I belong, were as ‘adaptive’ as Darwin said and owned a disproportionate share of assets. Fecundity or, in its absence, a highly innovative technological capability is what drives any group’s long-term progress in the struggle for survival. Also, the comparison of colonial, feudal, illiterate Ireland during Darwin’s era with contemporaneous Scotland of the Enlightenment (the very name speaks of lifting the dank, dark veil of oppressive religious belief from a fortunate people) is merely an historical snapshot, not a ‘set-in-stone’ determination, as illustrated by the Hibernian nation’s current relative prosperity and the happy, precipitous decline of the once all-pervasive RC Church’s malign influence in contemporary Irish society. Whatever flaws the NS philosophy may have, GW, it seems to me to be more adaptive vis-a-vis White racial survival than any snivelling, blessed -are-the- meek, poor (pick and mix your favourite unterhund) Christer nonsense produced by a disaffected, rambling, logorrhea-afflicted, Jewish heretic. That was my only point. 64
Posted by Dave Johns on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:18 | #
Pssst! Al’s been perpetually pissed off ever since he lost, and never found, his St Anthony Medal when he was just a wee child. 66
Posted by Desmond Jones on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:39 | #
Which speaks against NS, Al.
Now if Edmund Spenser had his way… 67
Posted by Diamed on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:48 | # I invite everyone to read my lengthy and excellent discussion of White Supremacism, I also believe anything short of Supremacy is egalitarianism. Contrary to some posters here, simply noting white superiority does not require we coexist with other races as rulers/conquerors, that’s a false either/or. 68
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:05 | # Doubtless you are correct about the anomaly you mentioned, Desmond. Your name would not normally come to mind when recalling RW Emerson’s apposite aphorism : “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”. Thank you for the Spenser link. I have not read any Spenser and this looks seriously good. The English pacification of Ireland would have surely been reciprocated had the respective countries’ geographical positions been reversed. 69
Posted by Matra on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:41 | # as illustrated by the Hibernian nation’s current relative prosperity and the happy, precipitous decline of the once all-pervasive RC Church’s malign influence in contemporary Irish society. When Ireland was Catholic it had much higher birthrates than it does at present. When Ireland was Catholic it was nationalistic and anti-foreigner. Now that Ireland is secular/atheist and has discarded Catholicism it has low birthrates and welcomes Nigerians, Arabs, and other Third World immigrants. Ditto Spain and Quebec. Catholic Ireland, Quebec, and Spain were nationalistic and adaptive. Secular/atheist Ireland, Quebec, and Spain are multicultural and maladaptive. Personal prejudice is irrelevant. Results are what matter. 70
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:33 | # If, today, the RC Church possessed the power over the Irish psyche that it did “when Ireland was Catholic”, does anyone seriously imagine that, given both Catholicism’s innate universalist worldview and contemporary RC hierarchy attitudes to non-White immigration (as in the US, for example), the Irish government would maintain immigration restrictionist policies. 71
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:44 | # ’ innately’ to replace innate. Anyway, Ireland’s exaggerated religiosity was an expression of anti - British (or earlier, English) nationalism and when that colonial adventure ended, the raison d’etre for some of the Vatican-based mumbo jumbo’s attraction began to wane. 72
Posted by Desmond Jones on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:38 | # True Al, however the RC Church, or at least some outposts, like Quebec, did not, vehemently did not, before WWII, support a universalist world view. 73
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:00 | # George Handlery catches on slow, but he does finally begin to catch on:
No, he still doesn’t fully “get it” but hey I’m not greedy, every little bit helps and if it takes Handlery another ten years to realize that yes, <u>race does exist</u> and massive governmental tampering with it when government doesn’t know what in the fuck it’s doing isn’t exactly what the doctor ordered, that’s OK, I can wait ten more years. But can the white race? Put on your thinking cap, George. 74
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:50 | # Regarding Torgrim’s brief discussion (Oct. 3rd, 12:14 AM) of Old California (the Spanish California of the Zorro legends, before the U.S. took it away from Mexico and anglicized it both racially and culturally), the book “Two Years Before the Mast” by Richard Henry Dana has lots of descriptions of what it was like. Go to http://www.Bartleby.com click, on the list of works arranged “by author,” look for Dana in alphabetical order, click on the title of the book, and start reading at chapter XII in the table of contents. 75
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:48 | # Monterey, Dana tells us, would be a fine place “except for the character of the people”. Race-realism has a longer pedigree than race-denial. Post a comment:
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One of the letter-writers called the Austrian election result a breath of fresh air. So it was, and so are all these letters: a breath of fresh air, filling grateful lungs! I just read every one of them. Pure oxygen! Thank you for posting this. To call these letters delightful wouldn’t do them justice. What they are is soul-satisfying.