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White and heard by Bo Sears, director, ResistingDefamation A disturbing meme was recently re-introduced to the debate on the future of our people by Prof Kevin MacDonald. A hero to many among the diverse white American peoples, he claimed that we lack the capacity or opportunity to make our case for a particular white political or social identity. His statement was dated 8/20/09 and appeared on The Occidental Observer in an essay titled, Fundraising Appeal: Why support The Occidental Observer.
Whilst it is true that The Occidental Observer has done a good job and earned its financial support from European Americans or Euro-Americans, not every syllable Prof MacDonald or The Occidental Observer is helpful or even true. The above three-sentence statement is a case in point. There are so many errors and flawed assumptions in it that unpacking the statement is no easy matter. But it’s not impossible. WE CANNOT BE HEARD It is completely untrue, stunningly inaccurate, that “...White people of European descent - cannot be heard.” The diverse white American peoples are able to be heard … in school board meetings about anti-white texts, on public web sites denouncing anti-white slurs and slanders in the local daily paper, and in many other ways. It’s only a matter of stating our case in the right way. Imagine a sentence beginning, “As a white American, I feel…” or “As a white American, I think…” I suspect that Professor MacDonald really means that Euro-Americans cannot be heard directly criticizing the Semitic peoples, whether Jewish or Arab. An open discussion of Jewish or Arab distortions in the society we created to express our authentic selves is genuinely hard at this time. But not being “heard” about the Semitic peoples (semiti-centrism) is very different from not being heard as members of the diverse white American peoples (euro-centrism). An open discussion about names and labels (e.g. shiksa, WASP, goyim), about slurs & slanders by the dominant media culture, about failures of schools to teach an honest history, about failures of municipalities to carry out programs fighting the three social ills that afflict young European Americans disproportionately (binge drinking, tobacco smoking, methamphetamine use), about opposition to abusive immigration, and about so many other things that affect & distort our authentic desire for a safe, healthy, happy life … all this is perfectly possible. As an example of one European American voice that is certainly heard, check out our ad in a weekly paper denouncing a certain, well-known daily paper with an unmistakably white voice: http://www.resistingdefamation.org/sub/metro.asp
The professor comes closer to the truth in saying that “...only one group cannot even articulate its interests.” But why is this? It is because our vaunted European American leaders never link their philosophical preachments to practical ways and means of how to talk. The unpleasant truth is that there is very little emphasis on most web-sites to teach any of the diverse white Americans how to talk—which I take to be the meaning of a “group (that) cannot even articulate its interests.” We get a lot of diagnosis - most of it accurate - but little aid in articulating. White movements should have a clear policy that learned commentators pass on practical tips to their readers and listeners, as well as the more customary analysis and rhetoric. For example, a few sentences above this I provided at least five leads that any group of white activists could take up in their community. It’s no good bewailing the lack of a voice that can articulate its interests when very little energy is ever spent on teaching people how to do so. And by the way, helping readers distinguish between the thin end of the wedge and the thick end of it would be an admirable beginning - starting small is far better than never starting at all. WE EMBRACE BOGUS MORAL IMPERATIVES The professor seemingly falls into the trap of the non-diversity claims put out about us by the urban-coastal class when he said, “only one group seems to think that self-destruction and abdication of political power are moral imperatives.” That requires some documentation and evidence, and the guiding principle should be that “some members” of one group (not the entire group) thinks this or that. (The professor has heard “some of” from Semitic peoples often enough!) Stop conflating all the diverse white Americans into one group of non-diverse peoples. Barack Obama does that without our help, e.g., acting white, typical white person, etc. We need to claim the diversity that is ours, along with our nationality (American), and our continent-of-origin (mother Europe) in all our statements. Not too hard when you set your mind to engaging in euro-centric or white-centric discourse. Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:23 | # I hope he mentions the Jedwabne affair: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/jedwabne_and_the_race_hucksters/ 3
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:37 | # An independent mind agitating against the exploiters of the Jedwabne fiction: 4
Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:39 | # Yet obviously the kike Lerman fears the strategy of nationalists triangulating against the Krauts whilst making an alliance of convenience with his right wing fellow hebes. He figures the Jooze are safest, and their position at the top of the heap will remain safe, so long as the sine qua non of moral rectitude remains nothing but sweetness and light being thought of in the minds of the lemmings regarding the Nose Goblins. Don’t worry Hebeman, nationalists would never be so cynical (cynical as a Joooo), and promise to treat your “people” as a settled population in the West so long as your “culture” of critique could be externally restrained, but really only put in a half-assed effort at restraining it, and then expelling you all with a feigned sense of hurt and betrayal (wink, wink). Pssst, Lerman. Doesn’t it drive you nuts to know deep down that Europeans are in fact your genetic betters (especially those filthy Krauts)? “But…but…the Samson Option.” Fine, but remember, in a revitalized nationalist Europe, the only context in which you would have cause to use it, you hook-nosed greaseballs burn too. I can dig it. 5
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:44 | # The problem is that the ‘elite’ always proscribe any white racial consciousness, thoroughly, reflexively and ruthlessly. They are not amenable to hearing our pleas and desire to crush any opposition we care to mount with alacrity. We are meant to be beaten like rented mules and Hell hath no fury like the chorus of outraged voices you hear when one White Devil stands up for himself. No, it is our ruling class - the utterly despicable regime of criminals and degenerates - that has it in for us and they care not one whit how ‘civil’ the tone of our discussion is. We’re still racists. What we need is to make people understand their Pavlovian manipulation of language, to show that it is utterly hypocritical and self-serving. 6
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:08 | # Bo Sears, Your recommendations are good. I bet the CofCC has a learned a few tricks, and the BNP too. CofCC web traffic is apparently booming now, btw, and presumably so is related sites’ traffic - reminds of the BNP a few years ago. CC, you talk about things most folks have the wisdom to imply or hide in intellectual-speak. Not to say I’m agreeing with you or that I care to take an opinion on that, lol. 7
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:10 | # That page has vanished down the hole.
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Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:48 | #
Brutal honesty regarding the Jews or anything else that’s discussed here is not unwelcome in my humble opinion. I’m not sure if you’re a philosemite or what your story is but you, if you share racialist/WN ideas, seem to be suggesting self-censorship or punch-pulling. That such limp-ballery is not the CC’s m.o. is fine by me. Self-censorship in public seems a wise idea in favor of subversive tactics given the increasingly totalitarian trend of our gov’ts. But here, on this racist and anti-Semitic blog, I see no need for it. This is pro-white territory here. Are you just too polite? 9
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:25 | # CC, 1. An Einsatskommando unit murdered about 300 Jews in Jedwabne on 10th June, 1941. That is a fact. Local Poles did not run riot murdering 1600 Jews, as the Soros people claimed in their film and book, and is now accepted by political Establishments across the world. The Jews did not shoot and incinerate themselves. Our role is to point to and insist upon the truth. It is not “triangulating” to do so. This isn’t British nationalist geopolitics. The truth to which we should aspire is objective and higher than such things. 2. Because Jewish populations have been present in (certainly mainland) Europe for so long, they cannot be categorized with the post-war immigrant populations. The principle underlying nationalist government treatment of Jews in Europe - not in a future white American republic - should be: the same treatment and the same honour shall be accorded Jews as Jews accord Europeans. This allows for the audit of Jewish group activities and behaviours and a review of Jews’ status. That is not the same as excluding Jews from positions of political and cultural power and influence, which exclusion is separate from and requisite for the effective delivery of a programme of national recovery. 10
Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:31 | # I doubt Poles mourned the removal of Jews from Jewedwabne overly much. And I’ll bet Hebeman is brought to the point of full arousal at the thought of the ten million Germans that were murdered post-war. Let us be honest with ourselves that far. And insofar as the evolved genetic compulsion of the Jew to subvert to dominate host societies remains with him, and he remains in our midst, it will never be over. That is why I assume those that gesture at some mythic moral high-ground in which Gentiles can keep the Jew permanently in the corner with the dunce cap on his head instead of putting him out on the street must be “triangulating,” otherwise I must assume they are not serious, or not as serious as they could and should be. And, at least to me, the latter would be the more insulting. 11
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:44 | # Mark Ijsseldijk, I was concerned his comment was anti-white. CC wrote: “nationalists would never be so cynical (cynical as a Joooo), and promise to treat your “people” as a settled population in the West so long as your “culture” of critique could be externally restrained, but really only put in a half-assed effort at restraining it, and then expelling you all with a feigned sense of hurt and betrayal (wink, wink). “ 12
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:49 | # I’m not against Jews, though I’m wary of their Talmud and its unparalleled dual morality. Even the Teuton here recommending a dual morality doesn’t go as far as the Jews go. CC certainly doesn’t go as far as Jews go either - even he has some touchy-feely set of ethics towards nonGermans he believes his genes gave to him. 13
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:02 | # They’re not native, and they don’t belong in Britain; but there oughtn’t exist a sense of fear from Europeans there or in America or elsewhere. It’s not we who will suddenly turn on them; but for the various groups to work together Jews must be viewed with extreme caution because of what they’re told to believe, and if possible they must treat us with a degree of fairness. 14
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:11 | # CC was posting what appeared to be a revelation of some elitist plot because of 2 reasons: 1. pleasure If 2, then he certainly wasn’t speaking truth. If 1, he was only seeking a high from feeling smart. - I didn’t follow him when he wrote “cynical as a Joooo” in the context of his comment. That’s not to say I somehow am being pro-Jewish for questioning some potentially negative comment about Jews… It’s to say I legitimately don’t connect with that specific comment. I guess it’s nice to post on a site with the reverse taboo reg. Jews, lol. 15
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:19 | # Fred Scrooby, I meant that “racist and anti-Semite” thing with a bit of sarcasm. It doesn’t come across so well on the internet. Count me of course as a “truth lover.” Frank, Thanks for the clarification. I see what you mean. 16
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:53 | # You’re just angry because I’m not an anti-white metrosexual transhumanist… I don’t enjoy feeling smart by posting - rather I enjoy the feeling that I’m accomplishing something. I’ve been bickering with CC since he was posting at takimag. I don’t have any insecurities I’m seeking to fill other than that I haven’t done more for my people. Feeling smart isn’t important to me… 17
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:55 | # I’m more concerned with remaining humble. There’s nothing more repulsive nor probably more dangerous to one’s loved ones than an ego. And this virtual world is fertile soil for egos. 18
Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:04 | # Frank, I don’t support the wholesale extermination of the Jews. The Einsatzgruppen was established for the liquidation on the spot of partisans who harassed the war effort of the Wehrmacht. These partisans were disproportionately Jewish, which shouldn’t surprise you. True, I have more than a small amount of sympathy for National Socialism, but am not dogmatically committed to it as the only way forward. Previously I had been needling those who, in my estimation, triangulate against “Krauts” and NS so as to advance their EGI. Now, having seen that Lerman is himself nervous of the strategy, I am inclined to consider it in a new light. Also, I hope Lerman reads the first comment I made in this thread, it was for him. I want him angry, I want his pride to be wounded. I want him to agitate in a ever more explicit anti-White fashion. That will further expose what he is really up to, and increase the likelihood of a backlash. I want Lerman so angry that he will throw his bronzed foreskin that he keeps on his mantle out the window in a fit of spite, LOL! 19
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:07 | # Oh, I’d assumed #1, but it was #2 all along. Like Fred Scrooby, I’m more inclined to allow those Jews who are willing to help though, albeit with extreme caution. But you’re right, Jews would press the WWII myths. But disregarding Jews, in general is this such a terrible thing?:
If it truly advances the EGI (not my preferred term btw - too rational imo) including the EGI of Germans living in the respective states, is it so terrible? As things stand now, the EGI of Americans very much seems to be advanced by a degree of what you’d classify as triangulation. Even some Russian nationalists praise Stalin and communism…
Jews are always disagreeing over what’s best for Jews, but he might be consciously just trying to put pressure on whites to make them give even more to Jews…
Wouldn’t he be more likely to quote your post and say, “look, look! Anti-Semitism.” You were following #2 all along then.
No need to make such a disclaimer, lol. There shouldn’t be any reason to suspect you of wanting such a thing… 20
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:17 | # I don’t think it’s genetics. Rather, Jews are in the minority and are thus acting as every other minority does out of insecurity and heightened group awareness. Whites who are well off don’t feel threatened and are apt to trust the state and expect others to follow their example. Whites who fall however are more apt to see the discrimination and thus identify more as white, to not trust the state, and to feel a need to unite with others for benefit. Nations must continue to struggle, else they’re dying at the hands of other nations that are struggling. Europeans have temporarily grown soft and weak. 21
Posted by jamesUK on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:33 | # The simple truth is that Communism was a Jewish political movement financed, organised and run by Jews that’s why the Nazis and there partisans in occupied Europe during WW2 killed Jews as reprisals. “…By the end of the First World War, Pelley’s prestige was such that his publisher commissioned him as a foreign correspondent on assignment in Eastern Europe. With a generous expense account and the diplomatic rank of “consular courier” conferred upon him by the United States government, he shipped out for Russia in early 1918. To him, his assignment was a fun adventure, a well-paid lark and a chance to vacation overseas. It turned out to be something far more. Until his fateful voyage, Pelley was a happy-go-lucky, up-and-coming author, with no real convictions of his own. As he remembered years later, the experience transformed him “from a nondescript writer to a grim crusader.” For two years, he covered 8,000 miles by train and horse-back through Siberia, into the Ukraine, across the steppes of Central Russia, into the Far East and through Asia to Japan. Through all these extensive travels, he was a personal witness to the communist revolution. He saw peasant woman crucified to barndoors and a schoolroom in which the teacher and all the students had been bludgeoned to death, their brains splattered against the blackboard. There where whole villages depopulated by murder, with corpses swinging from every lamppost and choking the nearby streams. These victims where rarely military personnel, nor politically involved in any way. They were common people, mostly farmers and factory workers. Such horrific sights, encountered wherever the Reds passed, almost unhinged his mind. But they were so commonplace, he gradually grew enured to the sea of blood through which he traveled daily. He learned first-hand that communism was not an ideology, it was simply the organization of the worst criminal elements led by Jews to destroy society. This was no speculation. Virtually all the commissars he knew (some of whom he interviewed) where Jewish, while the majority of their activists where common murderers and perverts “liberated” from prison. They were motivated by hatred, power and revenge, nothing else. All their slogans about “Equality” and “Peace” where transparent rues to dupe thoughtless liberals among the Russian people, their victims. Drunk with success, the Jews boasted openly of their plans for world conquest by fomenting the same kind of divisiveness in other countries. They told Pelley that Russia was just a stepping stone, a base for international subversion. Even their phony “communism” was utterly dispensable, just like their own followers, who they never hesitated to massacre on the slightest whim. Their long-range goal was one-world government, in which the masses became willing slaves, fueling an international economy with their genius and labor, while the Jewish people dominated all important positions of power. “After Russia,” one greasy commissar smirked at Pelley, ‘then Europe and later, America!’…” THE SECRET DRIVING FORCE OF COMMUNISM by Maurice Pinay lists senior prominent Jewish Communists http://www.archive.org/download/SecretDrivingForceBehindCommunism/SDF.pdf As I mentioned on the previous article Soros is a student and protégée of his mentor Karl Popper who studied under at the London School of Economics and whose teachings and philosophy became the basis of his Open Society foundation. At the end of the day Jews will have complete control of both the independent/alternative conservative/nationalist parties just like they have the main stream ones. Europe’s Right is embracing its Jews http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/040209/njScholarEuropesRight.html 22
Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:55 | # Btw Frank, you should know that the cause of fighting for a world reborn by higher values having entered it - which was the cause of National Socialism - attracted many committed Christians, such as Leon Degrelle and Ion Antonescu. Hitler himself, though privately hostile to Christianity, was content to leave it be. He conceived of the British Empire and the Catholic Church as indispensable set pieces of cultural and geopolitical stability. He was really a revolutionary conservative (privately ascetic, and in fact turned Goebbels away from modern “art” to more classic pieces). The proposition that faileocons take culture more seriously than “der Chef” did is laughable. Horst Mahler, an elderly German National Socialist, is willing to spend his last years in prison, to sacrifice himself for the salvation of his people. In a Vanity Fair interview, with Jew Michel Friedman, Mahler greeted his interlocutor with, “Heil Hitler, Mr Friedman!” Mahler then went on to proclaim that “the systematic extermination of Jews in Auschwitz is a lie” and that Adolf Hitler was “the savior of the German people,” but “not only of the German people.” That is the self-sacrificing altruism that defines National Socialism. Mahler also wrote this:
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Posted by jamesUK on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:57 | # I take it Majority Rights will do an article on the new Tarantino movie? This is a good article from the Jewish Journal posted on Maurice Pinay Blog Revenge of the Jews, Tarantino Style Naomi Pfefferman - Jewish Journal August 18, 2009 ... About two years ago, while writing “Inglourious Basterds,” Tarantino asked [Eli] Roth whether Jews believe in the concept of absolution. “The idea of mercy or forgiveness, not in the religious sense, but in a human sense — that’s where my humanity tends to go,” Tarantino said. “When whites held blacks in slavery, they both were in bondage, and both needed to be freed from the system, so that’s where I was coming from in a way.” But, he said, Roth told him “Absolution is a Catholic concept. F—- that. There is no sorry, no forgiveness possible.” http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/08/hollywood-ultraviolence-and-sexual.html Bored? Why not play Inglourious Basterds: The Game. “... everyone is encouraged to nurture their inner soldier by playing Inglourious Basterds: The Game. Pick up your bat and fight like Sargent Donny Donowitz, aka: “The Bear Jew” played by actor, director and writer Eli Roth.” http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/08/they-want-their-psychosis-to-be-ours.html 24
Posted by Frank on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:50 | # CC, if you’re appealing to a German audience, that sounds lovely. Those who fought the Germans and/or who’ve been raised on how NS is the ultimate evil aren’t going to buy it. They won’t spend time on it - they’ll block it. So, whether it’s true or not becomes irrelevant to politics. It’s not because they’re “lemmings” or whatever word you choose to rile me up (lol) - that’s just how reality is as I see it. If you’re creating a New Germany within part of America as you’d said before, then I can see the benefit of such information. However, otherwise I don’t see the benefit. If England is helped by playing along as if Britain played some noble role in WWII or else by downplaying WWII, so be it and likewise with America. Regardless of what happens with Jews, if that’s what stops the immigrants so be it. As for me personally, I don’t like NS because it appears overly centralised and progressive. I’ve read where Hitler praised Rome in the past, for example. I’m only interested in power so far as it allows for defense - like Burke I’m more concerned that progress might destroy what good remains. And judging by how popular progressive ideas are among sites that seem more pro-NS, my gut sense might be correct. - If you pick a topic not having to do with WWII, I might be able to add something interesting… For me that war never happened, and that might be the general consensus of my demographic. It’s not that I “can’t take the truth” but that it’s not useful. If the war is mentioned, it’s only to attack Germans. And if they’re defended beyond mildly undercutting the most obvious prop, then one has to risk associating the other right wing issues with NS and thus appearing “extreme” thus losing all appeal. So, my demographic might avoid it for that reason. 25
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:13 | #
NS is a pro-Nature doctrine. Mostly it’s applications were very practical: Putting people back to work, stabilizing the economy, protecting national resources, providing for common defense, preventing miscegenation and improving the racial stock, subsidy of scientific development to serve the State and so forth. Centralization was the point: Germans were scattered all over Europe and needed a political-military apparatus sufficient to support their interests especially with regard to the hostile powers in opposition to them. As for “progressive” - judging by the Weimar years progressiveness was probably one of the strong suits of NS as the Germans under NS “progressed” from hyperinflationary depression to being the world’s second most powerful economy in a matter of years. “Destroying what good remains” sounds inaccurate because NS was: a.) more similar in many ways to traditional Euro-feudalism (e.g. autarky) than it was to capitalism and b.) at it’s most “progressive” still grounded in the traditions and culture of the German people, zealously so. Just a few thoughts. 26
Posted by Jupiter on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:47 | # I find Bo Sears writings these days to be in he screwball realm. Neurotic in tone. And not a shred of evidence to back up his main point. I think Brimelow has him pegged. I do not want Bulgarians,Albaninans and Portuguese in America. And the Greeks are running a slave operation in their Restaurants 27
Posted by Jupiter on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:55 | # Fuck the post-1965 Greeks. the pass off their labor costs tothje struggling Native Born White Tax payers who end up fleing to rural White communities. I’ve dealt with the Portuguese. They are the mortal of of a pro-white immigration policy. So fuck the dirty Portuguese-and the Greeks also. Bo Sears, take your diversity obsession and shove it up Mark Potok"s ass. and Morris Dees while you are at it. 28
Posted by Templar on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:03 | #
So, sort of like contemporary Russia under Putin? 29
Posted by Templar on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:16 | #
Black/mulatto Cape Verdeans, actually, I think. 30
Posted by Jupiter on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:27 | # Native Born White American is an exclusionary term. It doesn’t include the groups mentined in my previouis post. Native Born White American has a strong rejectionist core against race-replacement and ethnic replacement. Actually, I think Bo Sears is fucking retard. Guesedworker do want to flood your country with albanians,bulgrains,greeks and Portuguese? In a debate with a race-replcement enthusiast thee should be massive documentation of the damage being done to Native Born White Americans not a discussion about how much diversity there exists within the Native Born White American community. This woould exclude the pro-1965 immigration policy greeks,portuguese,Albanians,hungarians,cunab spics such a s george borjas and the Poles who fled Poland in the 1980s and who are massively pro-immigration. Fuck them all. They are not our allies. It is hard to find words to describe how much I despise Bo Sears. The new Russian immigrants who work in NYC construction have on more than one occasion have threatrened the lives of Native Born White American construction workers who protested their scab labor presence in America. FUCK YOU BO SEARS!!!! I hope the russian immigrants and the mexicans kill each other for the NYC construction jobs 31
Posted by Jupiter on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:40 | # Fred I had it on very good information right before 9/11 that the farmingville protestors-Italian,Polish an German Americans-that the Portuguese in Farmingville have expressed enormous hostility to the agenda of the Farmingville protestors up the point of denying them acces to the Farmingville Firehouse for meeting. The Italian American woman who started the protests has been bascially driven out of Farmingville. The fucking portuguese will vote for tye continuation of post-1965 immigration policy. Their woman are fucking whores by the way. I despise the white cuban spics in miami. Especially the cuban spic George Borjas. His worthless research was intrumental in passing the 1986 Reagan amnesty. The issue is race and ethnic replacement and this retard Bo Sears wants to sit down with La -Raza and have a discussion about the enormous diversity within Native Born White America. Sears is a fucking retard!!!! 32
Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:42 | # Jupiter, are you a Nordicist? Do you think that only Northwestern Europeans are real Americans? 33
Posted by Mark Ijsseldijk on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:11 | #
Putin is an interesting case because I suspect that he is a crypto-Jew (likewise Medvedev). His administration sure has a lot of Jews in it. Not to mention that the whole Jewish oligarchy thing was over-played; people like Khodorkovsky were clearly fall guys to make it look like the current administration was doing something (at the time populist sentiment in Russia was borderline-revolutionary). But he also has an interest in preserving the White demographic of Russia - who knows if it’s out of genuine love for the Russian people or merely a pragmatic gesture. I don’t think what Putin is doing is NS although it has been beneficial to the Russian people relative to what they’ve been through in the last hundred years. Their fertility rates have gone up and their demographic decline has thus slowed somewhat. But, immensely wealthy Jew plutocrats are still in charge of Russia. Putin has expressed Soviet-like opinions vis-a-vis race, immigration, etc. So I think he is mainly a self-interested part-Jew career bureaucrat. But his policies are not nearly as anti-White as those seen in the US/EU/Oz. 34
Posted by Mark IJsseldijk on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:16 | #
If you mean the labor racketeer “Russians”, they are Russian Ashkenazic gangsters. It is a well-known fact that the “Russian mob” (Jewish gangsters) have largely displaced La Cosa Nostra as the underworld power to be reckoned with in the NY area. Do not confuse these folks with Russian gentiles (except those gentiles who join the mob for their own benefit - usually though these are the lower rung criminals like gunmen, drivers, and smalltime fraudsters whereas the management is all Jewish). 35
Posted by the Narrator... on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:00 | #
Why categorize between pre and post war immigrants? When were talking about the old world, non-Western Immigrants are immigrants whether they showed up yesterday or a thousand years ago. Jews (and gypsies) are aliens in Europe. They don’t belong there in any category whatsoever. They need to be encouraged to return to their native lands outside of The West. And it would be a very VERY bad idea for Western people to obligate themselves to some form of balanced reciprocation in their dealings with non-Westerners. That principle should only exist between Western nations. The West must foster, politically, socially and psychologically the principle that non-Westerners are (collectively) an OTHER KIND.
The same is said about Whites in general. Many young Whites have had it beat into their heads that they are evil and thus fight any attempt at White survival. Do we then surrender to that mindset? I won’t. Nor will I cease to proclaim that the Nazis were the good guys.
WW II has two elements of varying degrees; Nazi ideology on race and standard geopolitical competition for power. And in both cases Germany was in the right camp (the various particulars are always debatable). If you disagree then you can’t complain about the state of The West today, as The Allies won and have implemented their counter-ideology to the Nazi one. As for the war itself, the British weren’t fighting to keep Germany from becoming their master, they were just trying to keep Germany from becoming a fellow competitor on the world stage. Americans (most of whom knew absolutely nothing of the world beyond their home town) were prodded into the war through fear (Pearl Harbor) and platitudes (noble defenders of democracy). In the end Germany lost the war and Britain lost her Empire. Post-war Germany became a pawn of the Soviet Union and post-war Britain became a parking lot for America. And America, the nation born out of progressive liberalism, won the war and the prize of global dominance and was able to keep on her “divine mission” to make the whole world over in her image. The image of the beast, so to speak. In essence WWII was a battle between two peoples, the Germans (and by extension The West) and the jews. America and Britain chose the wrong side and have suffered for it ever since. ... 36
Posted by Marwinsing on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:19 | #
The exact words of my 82-year old former-landlord who was an infantryman fighting for the Allies in North Africa, circa 1944. And ol’ Harold’s nobody’s fool. 38
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:04 | # Narrator, To where would you expel the one and a half million Jews in Europe? Which would you sieze: the Gaza Strip or the West Bank? Do you want them in America? Do you think the Russians might cede a thousand square miles or so around Birobidzhan? If there is no land or willing host available, what do you do with them? And it would be a very VERY bad idea for Western people to obligate themselves to some form of balanced reciprocation in their dealings with non-Westerners. That principle should only exist between Western nations. That isn’t what I said. Read it again, knowingly. 39
Posted by the Narrator... on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:08 | #
Israel, maybe? One and half million isn’t a whole lot. Carnival cruise lines probably handles that many passengers a month, so logistically it is easily doable. But pragmatically, I really don’t care where they go once they’re past the front door. That’s their problem, not ours.
Yeah I know exactly what you were getting at, but rather than attempting to justify our actions by saying that that is what they did/would do/are doing to us, wouldn’t it be more simple to tell them to just get the hell out? How should we tell that story to our children and grand-children? Rather than saying we treated them a certain way because that’s how they treated us (implying an expectation of equality from an alien people), wouldn’t it be better (from a social-historical-psychological point of view) to say we treated them a certain way simply because they were different than us? ... 40
Posted by Jupiter on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:17 | # Fred In a public “debate” Bo Sears would be conceding way to much. The race replacement of Native Born White Americans should basically be the only thing discussed. Why sidetrack the “debate”. Why should Native Born White Americans be i avor of their rce-replacement at the hands of pst-1965 non-whites. This is our strongest debating point. Kick the filthy,dirty coniving scummy,slimy cockroach cubans out of OUR AMERICA!!!! 41
Posted by Jupiter on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:45 | # If Bo Sears wants to talk about the different varieties of olives used in Sicilian olive oil with Ceclia Munoz he is free to do it. I will challenge in pit-bull like manner the race-replacement agenda of La Raza-The Race. 42
Posted by Armor on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:53 | #
In other words, what makes you American or European is racial affiliation. What matters is not how long ago your ancestors migrated to the USA, but whether they were white. Non-whites can not belong to a white nation. (I’m not saying that every white person should be accepted into any white nation). For example, “African-Americans” do not belong to the American nation, they are a separate group. But the anti-white coalition considers white society as a cake that should be shared equally between whites and non-whites (with a preference for non-whites). In fact, white people are not a cake. No one should have a right on their existence. At best, non-whites could lay claim to part of the territory, but not on the society, identity, and citizenship of the whites.
Something like ‘Aryan’. 43
Posted by Saturn on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:04 | # Dadgummit, if I wanna use the thick edge of the wedge to recruit supporters, who is this Bo fella to tell me to use the thin edge of the wedge? He gets no points for responding to actual written words, either—it’s more fun to make up words no one has used and then beat those words and arguments down. 44
Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:04 | # GW:
Why not put our shoulders behind the task of creating a Greater Israel under the expressed understanding that all the world’s Jews are to be relocated there? The Narrator:
GW figures the lemmings need at least the patina of “fairness” or they won’t go along with the program, or at least the English, because they won’t do “gangsterism,” unlike the filthy Krauts. Loriver:
Why don’t we encourage them to settle in Scotland, given Brits cannot dream of reclaiming their Isle? Besides, I think JamesUK might benefit from their company, to help him overcome his virulent anti-Semitism.
But that would encourage the already dwindling number of quality NW Europeans to instead of “fuck off to Australia” to do so to America. 45
Posted by torgrim on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:13 | # Marwinsing said; “And ‘ol Harold’s nobody’s fool” Nor is my 90 year old father, Tom, who on April 20 1942 was in the middle of a German sub attack near Iceland and Tom suggested to the Skipper of the Tanker SS Gulf Coast, that maybe if the Standard Oil, ‘S’ was painted in flourescent white, that they would have a better chance of escaping the fate of the Norwegian Tanker a mile astern that went up in a ball of flame, the Captain of the Gulf Coast gave a knowing nod and smile…. 46
Posted by torgrim on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:15 | # Marwinsing said; “Narrator hits the nail on the head.” Agreed, and with a 5 pound hammer! 47
Posted by Frank on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:58 | # Mark IJsseldijk writes:
That’s the first I’ve heard Putin accused of being Jewish. I suspect he’s as he says he is: ready to hire the best person for the job regardless of ethnicity. He comes across as an honest, good politician who wants to preserve order and act fairly towards all within the Russian federation. His wife is Orthodox, so he might be acting on that faith as well. Putin also might be hiring Jews as a way of appeasing foreign powers and investors? He tries to work with the Jews, but they hate him. I’d like to think he’d do more against the Oligarchs were the global (American) power balance different. The Georgian conflict had Jews behind it. Russia’s envoy to NATO: Dmitry Rogozin is pretty right wing (Jews wouldn’t like him). There was a campaign video of his on YouTube, but of course it’s been removed… Two articles on Putin / subordinates improving Russian culture: 1 and 2. 48
Posted by Frank on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:03 | # Alexander Lebedev and Mikhal Gorbachev especially have been maneuvering against Putin. 49
Posted by Frank on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:43 | # CC writes: “Why don’t we encourage them to settle in Scotland, given Brits cannot dream of reclaiming their Isle? “ Hey, the fatherlands mayn’t be sacrificed for our wee colony - Reg. NS: Do you folks realise just how NS is viewed across the world? Mongolia, Israel, Canada, and Russia, etc. Then there’s Hal Turner and all the nuts who watch American History X or are influenced by some Turner like FBI spy and take to marching and stomping… And there’s Nazi.org which says it “does not draw a moral conclusion from this” on the killing of people. - That’s just too much prop to overcome. And just to be clear: I don’t propose lying, but I do propose either neglecting to declare the entire truth or else declining to talk nonstop about WWII and to insist on taking up the NS identity. Americans are ready for a white identity movement. At a later point this NS issue could be addressed, but right now we need to convince them that whites acting as every other race isn’t evil, and that we aren’t monsters as portrayed on TV. From Stalking the Wild Taboo website:
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Posted by Frank on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:46 | # “Never tackle more than one taboo at a time.” This isn’t identical but a closely related matter. 51
Posted by Frank on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:00 | #
You don’t want to reverse colonise. Many of us aren’t pure enough to return to our fatherlands. Even CC isn’t entirely German. We’re northwest Euro mutts, but we’re relatively pure regardless (fully Nordic/Celtic at least). There’s a good article by Ehudwould on this topic: Some Thoughts on the American Melting Pot (his site has some good videos recently too!):
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Posted by Frank on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:10 | # Some of your links aren’t working, but I’m figuring them out. 55
Posted by Mark IJsseldijk on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:12 | # For some reason the links didn’t load properly and I must find out what is going on. 56
Posted by Mark IJsseldijk on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:15 | # For some reason this appears before the links: http://xn—http-fb7a// and that messes them up. The correct urls immediately after the http://xn—http-fb7a// 57
Posted by Mark IJsseldijk on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:18 | # Guesseworker, Could you delete the Putin post so that I can re-up the post with working links? I think it’s fixed now. 58
Posted by Mark IJsseldijk on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:26 | # <u>Since GW is not online I’m re-upping the post - delete the first one later if you feels so inclined.</u>
I’m just saying that his Kremlin has a veritable Synagogue of Jews in it. And that his election was suspicious because his Jewish opponent (the only opposition) dropped out of the running weeks before the election. And that his attack on Khodorkovsky & co was likely done to prevent a true nationalist uprising. And that the oligarchs are still alive and well and prosperous for the most part save the handful that were given show trials. Some worrying signs: Putin supports ‘diversity’ in gov’t. Multicult Medvedev
“Just as Putin was a wonderful president for the Jews, I think that Medvedev will be one, too. On his own initiative he asked to visit the Jewish center, spent two and a half hours there and showed great interest. And because he was raised on the ideal of democracy, I don’t think that we’ll feel any difference in attitude, but will continue in the same way.” What do you think of the rumors that he’s Jewish? “If you weren’t recording me, I would give you an answer. But he is a creature of God, a wonderful man. By the way, Putin always says: I’m proud of the fact that I have so many Jewish acquaintances. I wish the Jews themselves would appreciate the Jews the way Putin knows how to appreciate them. That’s our problem in Israel.” Putin’s administration claims positive view of Stalin. Putin reported cozy with oligarch Abramovich. Putin’s government is more concerned with arresting nationalists than with stopping mob and plutocrat activity. Multicult Putin:
Russian gov’t prepares for military action against citizens. & so forth. I will be adding to this list in the future. 59
Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:05 | # Putin seems to be more interested in the power elitist statecraft of building the Russian Federation into a formidable power which must be reckoned with on the world stage than pro-White revolution. One of the indispensable ingredients of that is preserving the Russian ethnic and cultural core for stability, which Putin recognizes. Also, he is willing to do business with the Jews, which should please Frank no end. Apparently Putin is just another conservative. Yawn. 60
Posted by Templar on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:13 | #
So why do Neocons and other Jewish types and their hangers-on seem to loathe him so intensely? Is it all an elaborate diversion, or something more comparable to the Neocons quarrelling with their fellow Jews over whatever? 61
Posted by Mark IJsseldijk on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:27 | #
I agree, I don’t really see Putin as a fanatical Multicultist but rather as an opportunistic, ambitious politician. Yes, kind of like the ‘faileos’ this end.
That’s generally how I look at it. Not unlike The Five Families v. The Chicago Outfit in the old days. Two mobs of the same ethnicity competing for “the Crown” (World Domination, in this case). 62
Posted by Frank on Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:12 | # Nick Griffin interviewed on RT Russia’s federal government is at least putting up some defense of the Russian nation’s racial integrity isn’t it (in addition to encouraging births)? And it’s true the neocons of the US have been attempting to encourage ethnic strife within the federation. I wonder somewhat if the neocons didn’t play a role in the Beslan massacre. I’ll reply on Russia tomorrow after I’ve thought on all of this - one of your links included multiple stories.
Somehow I’m doubtful you’d be able to juggle different factions and powers and would be more inclined to seek out a glorious death in some unwinnable war or to have the economy shut down from infighting thus undermining popular support as opposed to a more prudent long term strategy. 63
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:20 | # Sorry for not responding to your request earlier, Mark. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Putin is a geopoliticist whose opposition to the neoliberal West is about contesting power. The “equality of all nations” rubric is stanbard fare for elitists. Their purview is restricted to the three subjects: markets and resources, and conflicts. Inter-ethnic conflicts throw up leaders who are not focussed on markets and resources, and who get in the way with their view that peoples are not merely a pool of labour. Putin will never ask Russians whether they were anything more than a pool of labour, and had interests other than consumption. 64
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:46 | # Narrator: Yeah I know exactly what you were getting at, but rather than attempting to justify our actions by saying that that is what they did/would do/are doing to us, wouldn’t it be more simple to tell them to just get the hell out? You are supposing that at some point we will have untrammelled power, and that it will be in perpetuity. But our power would be drawn from our fealty to our people’s interests, and would only flow while we remained so. In sense of Heidegger + Salter, an interest is something that belongs to the European being. We cannot pick and choose. We cannot act against an interest like fairness, to quote CC, or altruism. We have to act within the preserve of the whole. CC, Some here are, as you know, trying to feel our way forward with new thinking. Consider that possibility as well as your regular model of Brit vs Kraut competition - just in case it works too. 65
Posted by the Narrator... on Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:21 | #
That’s an interesting, and effective, way of putting it. The jews aren’t guests in Europe, they’re an occupying force no different than the muslims who were pushed back out of Spain or the Mongols forced out of eastern Europe. Yes, I know this isn’t the 16th century and matters are more politically delicate. I realize the way I’m writing is indelicate on the issue, but the gist of it is obvious so it’s simply a matter of framing the perspective socially. Maybe we have to act like early Christian missionaries and wrap up the central tenants of our political and social aims in whatever local pagan worship is popular. Assisting jews, arabs, asians and gypsies in returning to their homelands is a just and fair thing to do, fulfilling their human rights to live amongst their own people in their own historic environments. It’s just the tolerant and compassionate thing to do.
And the above is not meant to be seen as an attempt at being politically “crafty” or insincere, as it can be a legitimate way of seeing the issue for many people. . And with racial conflict reaching a boiling point across The West I don’t think in the aftermath (of that conflict boiling over) we’re going to have to work very hard to convince our people of the preference for deporting aliens and thus restoring peace… . 66
Posted by Marwinsing on Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:39 | # @ torgrim: lovely lil’ sea-ditty there SAH! Yeah, that generation of men were of our finest stock. Furthermore, getting back to ol’ Harold, he’s unbelievable man, I have fond recollections of him on his bicycle feeding his geese at 15h30 every single day without fail, -8º C winters were nothing to him - or his geese - I lived on his caravan park for some of last year, after being fired as a poster-biller for the circus. Got to know the beauty of rural Britain and the wonderful country folk. London was bleak, around “credit crunch” time so I had to bugger off back to Africa else face Jacqui Smith’s Immigrant Detention Camps. LOL! Or worse, solitary confinement in a cell with a telly blasting Eastenders all day long with intermittent hand-lotion commercials featuring Jacqui Smith’s hubbie jerking off to porn. Eek! Gimme Africa any day! M. 67
Posted by Jupiter on Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:51 | # It is foolish to sit down with an immigration enthusiast and sidetrack a “debate” with a discusion about diversity-even though there is diversity within Native Born White American society. But it is not so diverse that they can’t find common a common interest. The diversity propaganda has been used as weapon against US. The common interests argument of course reflects the homogenity of Native Born White Amerians relative to relative to the post-1965 non-whites who are enthusastic about race-replacing US. I have feel no solidarity with the cubans in miami,the portguese “Americans” who have been flooding into Ameria since the mid-80s and the post-1965 greeks who are runnig a chattel slave operation in their restaurants and passing the cost of their chattel slave operation off to Native Born White Americans. I despise the post-1965 greeks. I have no doubt that Bo Sears wants to embrace these three European type groups. I however, do no recognize them as Native Born White Americans. These three groups are voting block for the race -replacment of Native Born White Americans(real Americans). I hate the cubans in Miami. 68
Posted by Saturn on Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:00 | # Jupiter needs to get back on his meds and promote careful steps toward important goals. Denouncing posters with good ideas doesn’t advance any cause known to me. What ideas does Jupiter have to promote effective action—we know his goals, but what is to be done, Jupiter? 69
Posted by Jupiter on Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:06 | # Saturn I’m bashing Bo Sears with invective because he doesn’t provide any evidence to back up his claim. What I can tell you is that Native Born White Americans are becomming increasing anxious about the racial transformation of their nation. They know that they are being singled out because the larger racial group they belong to. When Jared Taylor went on the Phil Donahues MSNBC sho just before the Iraq war, the response was so strong and postive,it forced Donahue’s Leftist producerJeff Cohen -former head and founder of fairness and accuracy in reporting-to bring Jared Taylor back for a second night. And on both shows, Jared didin’t try and outdo the La Raza types on the show on the wonders of diversity. Guessedworker gave a very thorough response to Bo Sears a year ago about his debating tactic as did Peter Brimelow. Brimelow will no longer allow Bo Sears to post commentary on vdare.com. I have no problem with Bo Sears posting commentary on majority rights. I do not beleive in censoring him on this web site. Majority rights is much more of an organic blood and guts web site mixed in with high- level- logic- splitting -commentary and discussion. Things get discussed here and aired out like no other web site where the National-race-replacement issue is addresed. Someone has to give the race-replacement enthusiast the finger of unmitigated rejectionism. Someone has to speak the language of the common White Man and Woman. Fuck You to the race replacement enthusiasts. There is definitley room for it. I actually agree with Bill Kauffman that the homogenization of Euro-American culuture by the Madison avenue ad men is evil. I want Appalachia to remain a cultural unique and special place. Appalachia will go out of existence because of the race-replacment of Euro-Americans at the hands of post-1965 non-whites. The diversity argument is the battering ram of Euro-American race-replacement. Post a comment:
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Posted by jamesUK on Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:17 | #
Does MacDonald or The Occidental Observer ever talk about George Soros?
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/georgesorospostmodernvillian31aug04.shtml
I e-mail Tom Sunic from his address listed on his VOR radio site and he said his speech in Norway on Oct 17 organized by Altermedia will be about George Soros and will be recorded so it should appear on his website and on YouTube.