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Is the Ukrainian Army about to enter Melitopol? Reports this morning from Melitopol, the “city of honey”, indicate that the Russian Army is fleeing in a disorganised fashion towards Crimea. It is not immediately clear why. Information coming out of Ukraine has been so centred on the Ukrainian offensive in the Kherson area and, latterly, the surprise attack in Kharkiv, which has freed an area of 3100 square kilometres right up to the Russian border, it is not apparent what offensive actions have been in train elsewhere, if any. It all seems too good to be true. Melitopol was not even mentioned on the official Ukrainian command roster for the events of yesterday. By peacetime population Melitopol is only about the size of York or Gloucester (for Americans, Charleston, South Carolina). But it is a long way south and is known as the gateway to the Crimea. Ukrainian control of the Crimean route into the south would seal the fate of the Russian Army pocket - some 20,000 men - across the Dnipro and finish all possibilities for the Russian offensive west of Mariupol. One would expect that the naval facility at Sevastopol, home to Russian’s Black Sea Fleet, would also come within Harpoon range and thus would no longer be tenable.
However, so far The Odessa Journal reports only this:
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Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 15 Sep 2022 06:57 | # The Russian sites routinely refer to Ukrainian resistance as Nazi, which gives the game away immediately. They are lie-factories, and nationalists should have the intelligence to discriminate against that. The Kremlin has specialised in weaving a web of official and semi-official lies since Tsarist times. The principal reason is that Russian government has had no one to answer to. It is ordinarily authoritarian, dictatorial, repressive, violent, and rapacious, and has no other interest to advance and preserve but its own. In a world of generally bad government Moscow is shockingly bad. After the initial fight for Kiev the Ukrainian government instituted a code of silence on its military operations. The daily Army briefings sparely list Russian and Ukrainian attacks over the past 24 hours, with Russian losses listed if known but no account of Ukrainian losses. Most of the information that the Western press utilises comes from semi-official Telegram and Twitter accounts and from individual soldiers uploading this and that. Hence it was a single photo and the words “We are in Izium” which broke the news to the world how successful the Kharkiv operation has been. Russian commenters working British threads, meanwhile, were systematically lying that the Russian Army in Kharkiv oblast had encountered an unimpressive attack and crushed it. The Ukrainians had fled. Everything was under control. Then, 1984-style, that line ceased to have ever existed, and we were informed that all that had happened was a planned re-deployment south to Donetsk to strengthen the attack there. Then, as the images of the aftermath of a chaotic flight mounted, the excuse came out that, strategically, it didn’t matter what happened in Kharkiv anyway. Latterly, some useful idiots are describing the whole thing as a Western psy-op. Anything but the truth. It’s reflexive. It has to be said that the Ukrainian score-card of Russian casualties and losses of materiel does not look excessive. Leaks from the Russian pensions system indicate similar or greater casualties, and the obvious and continuing recruitment difficulties back that up. I don’t find much to criticise in the Ukrainian handling of information; and in truth, as a putative EU member finally readying itself for entry to the Western system, the old Soviet methods could not sustain. I agree that the interesting thing now is what will the future look like, say in two years, which is really a question about what will happen in and to Russia, and to the Sino-Russian drive for hegemony, after the defeat in Ukraine. For sure, Putin has dealt a heavy political, economic and military blow to Russian prestige and independence. We see conflicts beginning already in the Caucasus. China is strengthening its position with Kazakhstan, and Turkey is acting likewise to the west. Russian power, which generated six conflicts in that region during Putin’s time, is draining away; and it is hard to see how Putin himself will survive. Washington will not want an extreme nationalist like Strelkov/Girkin replacing Putin, but will also be alarmed at Medvedev’s noisy attempt to position himself at the head of the queue. Neither will Washington want Russia broken up and in turmoil, with 5,000 nuclear weapons floating about. China, meanwhile, will not want Russia experiencing a “soft landing”, democratising under Navalny or Yashin and duly gaining admission, all civilised and shorn of its mystical commitment to empire, to the Western system in the wake of the Ukrainian victor. 3
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 15 Sep 2022 12:12 | # GW, I have no good reason to disagree with you. Your assessment is right inline with the conventional thinking of the West - generally speaking that is. At any rate, predictions are risky business but if I were forced, I can see Alexei Navalny succeeding Putin; he’ll no doubt fling Russia’s door wide open, invite in a sh-tload of Soros type NGOs whilst embracing the WEF agenda. It’s easy to predict the outcome should those events occur! ... SPIT!!!! 4
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:53 | # “Explosions heard in occupied Melitopol – Mayor” https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/15/7367599/ Probably, tomorrow peaceful Melitopol will host the bee-milking world championships, and the next day it will annex Poland. 5
Posted by Thorn on Fri, 16 Sep 2022 20:49 | # Putin’s Narrowing Options
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Posted by Timothy Murray on Sun, 18 Sep 2022 11:25 | # The Saker links to an alleged RAND document that points to the means and ways of the enemy. If authentic, this is a map of how and where to fight and defeat them. Arch Biship Vigano has called for parallel structures to resist and fight the enemy, which is not the Ukrainians, is not the Russians and is not the Germans…. cordially,
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Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 19 Sep 2022 16:03 | # A couple of days ago the Wagner Group Telegram account, Grey Zone passed the following observation on the prospects for the Russian Army in the ensuing months:
This impossibility of mounting a new offensive yet still holding Kherson city is, I would say, a best-case scenario for the Russian Army. As in Melitopol, Russian forces in Kherson itself are taking daily hits by HIMARS, the tendency of which has been shown elsewhere to have a long strategic tail. Hits on the command and control structure, ammunition dumps, and re-supply routes are devastating enemy combat power. There is, as yet, no counter-measure for the Russians. Iran’s drones are a damp squib. The Ukrainians, anyway, are dotting wood-constructed HIMARS targets all across the country, which accounts for the multiple Russian claims over the last six to eight weeks of destroyed targets while the Americans, who have satellite tracking, state flatly that every unit is still operational. Damage to command and control is very likely a major reason why the Russians folded so easily in Kharkiv. They crossed the Oskil river to get away, and (officially, at least) to regroup. But the Ukrainians have followed, and today it is reported that they are forty-five miles down the track. The Russians, meanwhile, have been reinforcing Lyman in order to protect the strategic town of Svatove- the gateway to Luhansk. Again, two days ago the bus station in Svatove was hit by HIMARS. Up to 200 casualties are claimed by the Ukrainians. Everything is going one way. The Russians have raised a volunteer army of perhaps 15,000, but a large number of their men are in their fifties, and they are total novices to modern combined arms warfare. Likewise, Wagner is recruiting a few thousand murderers from prisons, but they won’t be any improvement. It is very difficult to see how the invader will hold position until the onset of winter, which seems to be assumed by them to be a time of mud and ice and stasis. The Ukrainians have already agreed winter supplies from their Western allies, and will fight on just the same - if things even get that far. There are signs that Zelensky and his advisors know they must now win. Zelensky himself stated a few days ago that Crimea need not be recovered by military action, prolonging the conflict. It is, he said, recoverable by diplomacy, presumably as reparations payable by a post-Putin Russian government seeking a clean-break re-admission to the Western economies. It is probably now time for us to start to ponder the geopolitics of Russian defeat. 8
Posted by Thorn on Mon, 19 Sep 2022 23:54 | # “It is probably now time for us to start to ponder the geopolitics of Russian defeat.” A more practical question to ponder is what the future of the West will be like if it keeps moving forward with its self-sacrificial Green Agenda. 9
Posted by Timothy Murray on Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:36 | # Putin speech will be carried live This is fascinating. GuessedWorker has a 180 degree desire from my own and thinks this will resolve in Ukraine’s favor…. I will be disappointed if this is true, because Russia will be Morgenthau’d by the neocons. My take: The Consecration of Russia was valid. 10
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 20 Sep 2022 19:44 | # If Ukraine prevails and becomes a full member of the EU what will its ppl gain? Answer: Mucho problems and grief. In all probability it will result in an appalling lowering of its already low standard of living - that, due in large part, to the imposition of Green Agenda mandates. (“The age of abundance is over.”—Emanuel Macron) And let’s not forget all the “diversity” anxiously awaiting the chance to visit the native Ukrainian population. But hey, the LGBTQ pervs along with the hoards of sub-Saharan migrants will be plenty happy to take advantage of the new-found opportunities in a Ukraine governed by the West’s ethno-masochistic ruling-class. 11
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 20 Sep 2022 23:19 | #
Exactly right, Tim. 12
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 01:13 | # Both of you may as well be speaking from the Russian script, which is common enough among nationalists but which remains a form of ideological blindness. As a result you take no account of the two key facts: 1. Putin is not our friend. He is not fighting against the Western global elites. He is fighting for his own kleptocrat class and for himself. He has no objection to elitism. He is, therefore, not a nationalist, just a thieving autocrat who makes nationalist noises to maintain control over the polity. The noises are, of course, imperialistic, not nativist. Nothing about him is useful for our people. 2. Putin is, in fact, Xi’s friend, and he is therefore not anti-globalist. The socialism of the world which Davos seeks is at one with the socialism which the architects of the coming Chinese central bank digital currency seek (the principal architect being Sergey Glazyev). Understand, globalism in its technocratic iteration is not consonant with “the West” or with Jews. China is central to it. Xi seeks to overturn American global hegemony and to drive the Davos project in a direction which will make the elites of the CCP as powerful as the old dynastic financial families. A Chinese shaped Davos project must necessarily torture and relegate European Man in perpetuity for the very simple reason that the Asiatic mind is sociobiologically completely different to ours and quite incapable of reproducing those traits of our mind which ineluctably colour the creations of our race. What small chance we dissenters have of undoing the harms inflicted upon us wholly depends on the survival of vestiges of those traits in the world which we are entering. China must not succeed America as the hegemonic power. At least stop reading the Russian websites, which are a pack of lies, and try to grasp what I have said; because it is the plain truth. 13
Posted by Thorn on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:49 | # “Putin is not our friend.” Because our ruling-class deliberately went to great lengths to make him our enemy. One aspect of the conflict that must be acknowledged and emphasized is that Putin represents a threat to the “woke” ideology - the very sick twisted ideology our Ruling-class/managerial-class embraces and propagates with all their might. Those who promote and enforce Wokeism are the mortal enemies of the white race, plain and simple. The sad and regrettable part of this war is it could have easily been avoided had Ukraine’s puppet leadership agreed to and abided by the Minsk agreements. Moreover, as I’ve maintained from the beginning, the war is obviously a result of the USA’s meddling in Ukraine’s internal affairs. BTW, how are those energy costs in England? How about the food prices? Is waging war against Russia worth the cost and inevitable suffering yet to come? And as far as China goes, it’s our own government, academic, and corporate leaders who made China the ascending super-power it’s fast becoming. Technology transfer coupled with our appetite for cheap imports has created the China monster. 14
Posted by James Bowery on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:19 | # GW, you really need to stop hoping that there can be any outcome to the current situation other than the collapse of the West—since the West has already collapsed in all but appearance. Start thinking seriously about how to implement Property Money in your locale before the first nuke is detonated as a “demonstration”. When that first nuke goes off, the current property owners in the West will become the target of pikes across the West as the demonic forces that have captured the West become a self-immolating French Revolution type conflagration. The odds of a nuke going off? According to John Robb, we’re at Rung #20 of Kahn’s Ladder. The absence of authenticity is the loss of individual agency to the mechanicity of demonic possession by the mob. The West’s institutions have been captured by the demonic force of a mob that is totally reactive in terms of what is called “wokeism”—a mob that can’t control itself as a whole, it can only align its component parts toward reaction through cancellation of those that don’t exhibit alignment with The Threat Du Jour and reward whoever or whatever exhibits the greatest such alignment. This is what is driving Putin into a corner. There is no nuance. There is no self-awareness. There is no control. “The West” isn’t “doing” anything that makes sense in terms of authentic agency. While Russia/China may be thought of as mobs—they are actually much higher in the evolutionary strata than the West in this regard. So, yeah, I get where you’re coming from: Why submit to a power that is an even higher level of demonic pseudo-agency than is the West? Is it really preferable to submit to China’s Brave New World of highly controlled interior alignment that makes it capable of achieving astounding feats of civil infrastructure creation? No, of course not. So what then? You’d better get a monetary system in place that harnesses your young men in support of property rights if you don’t want your head on a pike and, beyond that, if you want the West to reemerge in a form that can fight off the higher level of demonic possession of that Brave New World that you so rightfully fear and loathe. 15
Posted by Timothy Murray on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 18:18 | # Hi GuessedWorker. Your view is coherent and I hope you are wrong . If you are not, then I am fine with the jews losing under a combined Russia/China/BRICS dominated world. God bless. t 16
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 22 Sep 2022 00:37 | # Demons such as Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are just as demonic—possibly worse—as any Asiatic mind. Point being is we need to fight, first and foremost, against the anti-white demons of European descent. IMHO, the enemies within are the most dangerous and destructive. For example: With each and every graduating class from our “woke” colleges and universities, the anti-white movement significantly grows larger. We’ve reached the point where the worst anti-white bigots are anti-white whites! 17
Posted by James Bowery on Thu, 22 Sep 2022 03:05 | # Putin just made a speech which appears to be a serious, no bluffing, threat to use nuclear force. Thorn, I get it, but as you no doubt recall me saying, I am more than a little suspicious that what we’re seeing in the West is a “gain of function” virulent product of a much more sophisticated CCP demonic mind infecting the West with its equivalent of zombie-making mind pathogens. But whether that is the case or not, my point still holds: A nuclear first use by Russia presents both a catastrophe for “the West” as it has become virtually nothing but an AIDS-riddled vector of virulence and, therefore a potential, if properly exploited, to pull a rabbit out of the hat and save the West in a way that our demonic adversaries are unlikely to anticipate. 18
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 22 Sep 2022 13:40 | # @ 17 James, I’ll just say you are much more optimistic than I. 19
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 22 Sep 2022 21:30 | # Tim: I am fine with the jews losing under a combined Russia/China/BRICS dominated world. God bless. If you won’t listen to me ... https://www.christianpost.com/news/chinas-persecution-of-christians-intensified-in-2020-report.html
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Posted by Thorn on Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:39 | # GW, for the record, the Bolshevik Jews were demonstrably more murderously brutal towards Christians than the commie chinks. ... “Stalin’s Jews”
IN A 9,100-word article at The Unz Review, Larry Romanoff looks at the greatest mass murderers of modern times — Hitler isn’t remotely on the list. They include Lazar Kaganovich, whom most Americans have never even heard of:
Romanoff states:
[This post is not an endorsement of all of Romanoff’s writings, especially his views on Russia today.] HT to [url=https://www.thinkinghousewife.com/2022/09/stalins-jews/]The Thinking Housewife
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Posted by Thorn on Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:43 | # 22
Posted by macrobius on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 06:54 | # GW, Your argument seems like a mirror of those put forth by pro-Russia folks about US/NATO seeking global hegemony. I understand your perspective as a “better the devil you know” type of view, as well as siding with Western globalists over others because at least they’re Western, but from an objective standpoint I don’t see how it’s any different from the pro-Russian side. 23
Posted by macrobius on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 07:46 | # Regarding China, it seems likely there will be war over Taiwan in the near future. The consensus seems to be that either China has made its decision to invade soon, or that the US is increasingly trying to provoke China into invading sooner rather than later. Biden recently announced that US troops would intervene militarily in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. The US liberal/globalist elite and establishment seems to be increasingly hostile to and hawkish on China. None other than George Soros himself at Davos has attacked Xi: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46996116 “China’s Xi Jinping ‘most dangerous’ to free societies, says George Soros The billionaire philanthropist George Soros has used his annual speech at the World Economic Forum, in Davos, to launch a scathing attack on China and its president Xi Jinping.” 24
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 09:28 | # Thorn, Putin’s oligarchy is stuffed with Jews. The Jew argument doesn’t work in this context. The Davos contest is not Jews versus Chinese. The Davos project can be Westernised or Asianised in form, but it cannot realise Olam Ha-ba. The terms of globalist business have changed, particularly since around 2010 when the WEF began to attract more attention from the big corporations and then since about 2016 when Bilderberg lost its pre-eminence even among bankers. What we have now is a regnant technocracy that individualises elitism. It’s about untrammelled self-aggrandisement, materialism and epic consumption, not Moschiach and the End Times. It has no use for Judaism and no use for Yisrael - it doesn’t recognise a tribal chosen-ness. On the contrary, its founding spirit in the 1920s was as a Western utopian alternative to international Bolshevism, pitting technological advancement and science against Judaism and politics. It has always been differentiated thus, and cannot be changed. It is the rock against which Jewish tribalism is being eroded. Richard Herrnstein was right in 1994, when he foresaw Jewish elites pulling away from the body of their people. Obviously, the Jewish sociobiology will not change, and the same old schtick will be argued for and still brought about where political influence makes possible. But that’s a vestigial reflex, not a technocratic power-play, not an inherent part of the process. Let us at least attempt to break free from the dullard WN Tendency, and draw our understanding of the world from today and not from Pierce and Oliver in the last century, neither of whom had ever heard of Davos. All that is done with. 25
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 10:59 | # Welcome, Macrobius. The US/NATO is not seeking hegemony. America has been the global hegemonic power since 1989. That position is being attacked by China in concert with Russia, Iran, and North Korea. India and Brazil are leaning towards the Chinese. The latter’s principal method is to challenge the US dollar’s reserve status with a central bank digital currency designed, in part, by Sergey Glazyev. It needs to be clearly understood that the Davos project is not disaccommodated in any way by this struggle. In terms of its financial and corporate participants, the project is not American or Western. These businesses are global in outlook and heavily invested in China and the emerging economies. How specifically American and European elites within them influence the project formatively and determine its outcomes, including their (doubtless unexamined) conception of the human aspect, is subtle and psychological as much as it is an outright matter of planning and policy. Why? Because their sociobiology is ours. The Chinese sociobiology is not. Both models are globalistic and both are technocratic. We are not offered a choice between them. We are at the disposal of Power. But ... if psychopathy is not present in the American iteration, we might have some space in which to fight back. For example, in this world European Man, with or without power, is Moral Man. He has a natural tendency to know what fair dealing is even if he assiduously avoids practising it. The core of that knowledge is his entirely unique tendency to individuality. No other race of men combines these qualities (notwithstanding the fact that within the liberal system they are antagonised). European Man is also a creature much given to the pursuit of objectivity. In this regard he is, again, uniquely sociobiologised, and even those born of him who are lost to comity with him are on the same search for truth, and cannot be otherwise. To try is to be inwardly conflicted, for truth is his highest guide to his adaptive choice-making (as much as if not more than his gene interests - certainly among those above average intelligence). It does come down to the difference between racial Europe and racial Asia. The Russians are with Xi in the latter camp. That is what you would be fighting for in fighting for Putin, and it is a case of jumping out of the European frying pan. Of course, it would be simpler for us if there were just the one line of attack, but that’s been supplanted; and we either recognise that fact and fight accordingly or we stick with fighting against Olam Ha-ba regardless. 26
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 12:05 | # James, Property Money might be a usable system after the event of a successful revolution. But it cannot be so before the globalist impost, since we have no means by which it may be imposed, nor after that impost since (we are told) property will be removed from us. This is so in both the Western and Chinese socialism-based outcomes. My suggestion of a system of individual money creation could, in theory, still be valid during the impost, as a means of avoiding the post-cash CBDC and as an alternative to a barter system (which does not, in any case, work for those with nothing to barter). 27
Posted by Thorn on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 12:42 | # “Let us at least attempt to break free from the dullard WN Tendency, and draw our understanding of the world from today and not from Pierce and Oliver in the last century, neither of whom had ever heard of Davos. All that is done with.” I agree, GW, and I’ve said very similar—if not the same things—here and elsewhere many-a-time. My main point is there are forms of evil fueling the Davos mindset. And, of course, these megalomaniacal control freaks are not limited to any one racial or ethnic group. What they have in common is an immense desire to impose a global “neo-corporatist” system (for lack of a better term) on the rest of humanity. Social credit scores and a digital monetary system (cashless society) are two examples of the tools that’ll be used to control us. This is being accomplished on the pretext that “climate-change” poses an immanent and existential threat to all of humanity; thus, major changes in our way of life must be implemented. The Davos control freaks appear to be succeeding in their endeavor. IOWs the brainwashing of the masses is taking hold. The younger generations - especially Westerners - are following like sheep. Obviously Putin is regarded as an outlier ... an obstacle standing in the way of their agenda thus must be eliminated regardless of the costs. 28
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:04 | # Notwithstanding the fact that Putin has been to the annual WEF shindig and delivered a speech, he is something of an outlier because of his prior dedication to Russian empire. But I don’t think that his kleptocratic system is too out of sinc. His Covid response was perfectly compliant. Then there is Glazyev’s CBDC that his ally Xi is about to launch. So Putin is not wholly an obstacle. What Putin has achieved that is problematic for Davos is to call globalisation into question. Foreign energy reliance, long supply lines, exporting manufacturing industries, the assumption for endless economic stability ... these things have taken a hit. Davos is dependent on them, obviously; and would never want a new MAGA mentality to take hold. It is too early to say how the globalisation question will eventually be settled. One battlefield nuke in Kherson or Kharkiv could change an awful lot of things. Failing that, I would judge that Putin is regarded within the WEF as a loose canon but not an enemy. In itself, the success or failure of his drive for empire is fairly irrelevant to these people, who have no use for nations and peoples (the management of whom towards an End Time is a hangover from the old model of globalism). The WEF’s vision is of an unstoppable drive towards the smart city and the post-human. Olam Ha-ba it ain’t. I just wish nationalists would parse the whole thing free of past certainties. 29
Posted by James Bowery on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 19:47 | # GW, There is a very unique opportunity to test out Property Money in a small town due to the failure to collect property taxes. It happens to be in a town where I have spent the last several months with my wife during her end of life hospice. These several months took whatever financial resources I had (basically my social security and my wife’s disability) and invested them in temporarily relocating to be with her and, as side-effect, made me something of a legend around here since this is a very rare thing for husbands to do. My wife died a few days ago. I will soon be broke from bureaucratic snafu “losing” money I’d set aside for cremation, returning the last month’s social security to the government and having my resources essentially cut in half. So now I have until the end of the month to take my good reputation (particularly with the Town Mothers who would otherwise see Property Money as “sexist”) in this town while my rented apartment here accommodates me and apply it in implementing Property Money here—in a limited form—to defuse an explosive political situation pitting The Town Mothers against The Town Fathers by collecting the uncollected property tax revenue in the form of Property Money and distributing it evenly to those registered for the draft here (about 100 men) to then have those military aged men take on the responsibility of, through local commerce, delivery of social goods bypassing the government. There is no command structure for me to call upon because people who have influence to mobilize resources who are ostensibly trying to save us from the malign money powers aren’t taking me seriously. Why aren’t they? I’m certain there are many reasons as always there are in any proposed attempt to change “the order of things”—and among them are, I am sure, failings of my own. I mean, if I were so smart, why would I have sacrificed so much professional potential on the altar of speaking out forthrightly about my perceptions? But does your nay saying reflect an attitude that is helpful? Or do you believe that my demonstrated “poor judgement” means that I should be ignored as a bad risk even when opportunities like this present themselves? Why are you so certain it will be more practical to wait until after Putin has detonated a “demonstration” nuke to pull off a small scale demonstration of Property Money to overcome skepticism? 30
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 23:01 | # James, I am truly sorry to hear of your wife’s passing. There must be relief in your heart that she has finally escaped her difficult and distressing illness. But that is no consolation for the loss, or the loss to her of so many years of life. Nothing I say could ever construe the meaning of that. But, anyway, please accept by sincere condolences. 31
Posted by macrobius on Sat, 24 Sep 2022 03:20 | # GW, I agree it makes sense to side with Western globalists against China if only because they aren’t foreign and out of a sense of them being “our bastards”. I’m not sure how you can insist that US/NATO is not seeking hegemony in the face of everything. And my point was that I disagree that the US liberal/globalist elite and establishment are in cahoots with China. That’s clearly not the case as China becomes wealthier and more powerful. I pointed to George Soros’s comments, and Biden’s recent comments on Taiwan. Also the big US banks just said they would pull out of China in the event of an invasion of Taiwan: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/23/business/china-taiwan-us-banks-ceos-intl-hnk/index.html 32
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 24 Sep 2022 10:47 | #
Some non-trivial fraction of Western globalists are Jews, obviously; but as I have tried to explain above even these have become attached to the technocratic paradigm in a different way to how they operated in the old Money Power system. The money power itself is now focussed on hard assets rather than the ownership of debt. While under Halacha one Jew may not act usuristically towards another, and thus all Jews can profit from the debt of the gentile, the hard asset ownership of the technocracy can’t be stretched beyond the title of the individual owner. The effect is seen in the dedication of the old dynastic banking families to their investment portfolios - they now constitute the apex of the investor class - and in the new class of Jewish money men operating alongside gentiles as asset managers. The whole focus has changed. The rest of the Western elites are indeed “our bastards”, and it is the same cast of mind as theirs today which originated technocracy after the Russian Revolution, but devoid of the Judaic influence.
Not NATO but America is the global hegemonic power. You will hear apologists for the Chinese elites claim that they are attempting to restore multipolarity. That’s not true because their method, aside from military expansion in the South China Sea and throwing their weight around wherever possible, is to undermine and replace the dollar reserve with the Sino-Russian designed digital currency. The effect of replacing the dollar is to end the possibility for America to export its debt to all those countries which trade in dollars. Forcing the national debt on Americans alone will collapse the American economy. That will bring down the West as a whole, and the debt system with it. Thus we know that Chinese elites actually seek total hegemony (which is only in line with all the rest of the thinking of the CCP).
The Davos project very much requires Chinese participation, and the Chinese elites very much use Davos as a tool. What we are talking about here is the relation of globalism to geopolitics. One must distinguish the two, and then bring them into relation again, but always within their own realm of operation. The American and Western political elites are striving (in the context of the Ukraine war, for example) to maintain their current exclusive hegemony. The corporate and banking elites are, however, focused on their own project, which is inclusive and which does not register the geopolitical interest of national actors. 33
Posted by Timothy Murray on Sat, 24 Sep 2022 21:08 | #
This is a good thing.
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Posted by James Bowery on Sun, 25 Sep 2022 20:58 | # GW: Your consolation, however heartfelt and sincere, does not address my need for consolation which is of a piece with the need of our people for consolation and remediation. I have been dwelling near the bottom rung of our people’s abject state in no small part as a consequence of the threat that I represented to the enemy. This put me in empathy with their pain and suffering, amplified by my wife’s suffering. The obvious contribution toward that suffering by our elite’s insular contempt for our people has done far more than generate deep within me a mere ultraviolet-hot hatred toward that insularity—it focused it into laser-coherence onto the opportunity I described. The distress I feel is not so much for my wife’s passing (since that is, as you rightly point out, a relief for her as well as for me) it is that the opportunity born of our suffering may go to waste due to the lack of support from the people that I love as deeply as any parent could their children. PS: Just hours before I received the call that my wife’s vital signs were plummeting, I posted the following response to a video featuring two neocons that ended with them congratulating each other on how many children each had sired and holding Israel up as the nation that has so-imbued its women with a sense of national purpose that it, alone in the developed world, is winning its womb-war. It is just such insularity that invites a searing slice through its its most vital organs—even ignoring the role played by neocons and AIPAC members in encouraging the loss of national purpose by imposing immigration in vicious violation of the consent of the Nation of Settlers.
I would only add that I have further specialized the pragmatic definition of “Sovereigns” from “men of military age” to, for the US, men who are registered to be called up for the draft. I expect the response by the money powers will be to have women also register for the draft and, no doubt, use Israel as exemplar. The attack on national purpose outside Israel by immigration floods makes it far more critical that females be excluded from receiving Property Money’s economic rents (“demurrage”). Our “national purpose” has been monetized and recovery must begin with recognition of masculinity’s essential role in force. 35
Posted by macrobius on Tue, 27 Sep 2022 00:45 | #
NATO is to a large extent an instrument of American hegemony in Europe and a means to control European countries from straying off the reservation so to speak.
I think most of these apologists believe that multipolarity will limit the excesses of US/globalist hegemony, not that China, Russia, et al seek multipolarity as an end in itself. I am partial to the realist outlook that views China, Russia, Iran etc as more or less black box states in an anarchic international order in which other states, such as currently the US most prominently, are threats for regime change and state destruction. So they obviously have an incentive to replace the dollar which is an instrument of US power. I don’t think it matters whether a seek seeks total hegemony or not. They still have an incentive simply out of defensive, regime and state survival. Iran, for example, certainly nobody regards as an imminent hegemon, but obviously still has an incentive to replace the dollar to defend itself against US/Israeli/globalist depredation.
I don’t know why the Davos project would require Chinese participation. China could go back to Maoist, North Korea like autarky and the Davos project would continue. I agree that China uses Davos. But that’s precisely why we’ve seen of late the increasingly hawkish turn against China from US/globalist elites. These aren’t Trumpian nationalists, but genuine establishment liberals and globalists like Soros. The Davos globalists were fine when China was merely a low cost labor pool, but China has managed to leverage that into increasing the wealth and power of domestic Chinese elites and the state. This threatens the Davos globalists because if they’re not coming out on top of the whole enterprise, they’d rather just take their ball and go home. Furthermore, the globalist project in the West depends to an extent on the acquiesence of Western populations, which in turn depends on some degree of ethnic identification with the elites largely benefitting from and running the globalist enterprise. So long as the elites getting rich and powerful from globalism were fellow Westerners, Western populations would be more likely to go along. But replace them which Chinese faces, and people naturally become more suspicious, restive, dubious of the whole project. 36
Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 28 Sep 2022 01:43 | # The last sentence by macrobius is , whether he knows it or not , a most salient one , were it applied , mutatis mutandis , to the presence of emphatically non - White, Jewish faces in the West . 37
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 28 Sep 2022 15:55 | # Macrobius, There are many points at which our opinions diverge. Rather than pick at each of those, I will restate my overall case with some infill, in the hope that that might establish the parameters of our respective positions. Obviously, both geopolitics and globalism proceed in their inimitable fashion because the forces inhering in them also persist. In each case that fashion is contest. The great powers are the drivers of the modern iteration of The Great Game, wherein they contest as blocs over regional and global hegemony (and, shortly also, over that tool of power which is the global reserve currency). The central bankers, global investors, asset managers, banks and dateline corporations ... the money power in its broad, modern iteration ... are the drivers of globalism, and they, too, contest as forms which we may call Judaic and technocratic. In both cases they see a final world-form ordered to solidify and make supreme and even absolute the power and wealth of their respective constituencies. So we see that it is the goal of both forms of globalism to end geopolitics, indeed all politics. For this reason, one should understand that, for the geopoliticians and strategists, The Globality, if it is indeed inevitable, must either be the means of their own end or, just perhaps, the means by which they bring an end to the geopolitical forces opposing them while they survive in some consonant but suitably removed relationship to the globalists. This then opens out the respective postures of the east and west towards the globalist paradigm. I would contend that, through their ownership of old by the Western banks and corporations, the Western political elites have come to serve both the Judaic form and the latterly regnant technocratic form of globalism while still functioning politically, ie, in the prosecution of The Great Game. They have no obvious defence against globalism’s universal ambition beyond their own stubborn and very characteristic adherence to abstract ideals, in this case the ideal of American power as a good in the world. The Chinese, however, have no such idealism to complicate their thinking. They also have a recent history of isolation and thus they begin their strategising from a position at one remove, as a nation realising its destiny in the external world according to self-interest. The Chinese would be confident that they can handle technocracy without being consumed by it, but only if they command it and not, like their Western counterparts, come under its command. We can now apprehend how geopolitics and globalism inter-relate differently in east and west. We can parse all the motives and goals and methods of each, if we care to. The problem, though, for many WNs and also nationalists in Europe is that they don’t want to give up their precious conviction that “it’s the Jews”. This is the main obstacle in our corner of the political universe to developing a sophisticated analysis of globalism and geopolitics. In fairness, Jewish financial and positional power have not changed. Every Western government has its Jewish ministers. Jewish activism is unchanging. Jewish intellectual products are still at the centre of gravity of the polity. Bodies like the UN have their Migration Pact. The diversity agenda is everywhere. It all seems indisputable. But it isn’t, because humanity is no longer moving towards Olam Ha-ba. Something else is happening above the organisational practise of Jews, such that Jewish organisation itself has lost control of the nature and direction of internationalism. It has been taken into another historical paradigm in which high-position Jews cannot function as the tribalists of old, but are re-formed according to European individualism. It may not remain such, of course; but at this moment the European mind has overpowered the Jewish mind. Unfortunately, Europeans in the racial mass are simply not advantaged by this unexpected failure. Far from it. For nationalists unwilling to recognise this novel development none of the subsequent developments can be re-aligned. Bugbears like “the West”, NATO and the neocons are reified and proceed to determine the conceptual flow. Putin’s Russia can act with any degree of inhumanity and deceit, but “the West”, NATO and the neocons must be wrong cuz Jews. So Putin - an obviously psychopathic and murderous, mafia-style kleptocratic elitist and imperialist - must really be a nationalist just like us. Likewise, China can’t be party to globalism because, of course, globalism is Jews. So China which is the principal recipient of the globalist billionaire’s investments ... China whose secret state owns the controlling share in the parent company of Dominion ... China which models the corporate-socialist system ... China which cultured the Covid virus ... China which has pioneered track-and-trace software, and developed it into a totalitarian system of social control ... China which is developing the world’s first programmable central bank digital currency to replace cash ... China which, with Russia, is set to launch a digital alternative to the dollar reserve ... that China couldn’t possibly be a party to the WEF future cuz the WEF wants to centralise power and China wants multipolarity and the sovereignty of nations according to the UN Charter, right? Well, the collapse of the dollar reserve would herald the collapse of North America and thence Europe. Beijing’s noisy statements about multipolarity are an appeal to the southern hemisphere nations to make America weak and China strong. Multipolarities last only as long as the power sustains within the contesting parties. When only one has power, the monopolarity returns. This is Beijing’s strategy, and it a strategy which not only accepts the corporate-technocratic paradigm but uses it. The question for us, as nationalists, is: What happens to the nation states of the West if the formative, cooperative powers are respectively geopolitically Chinese and globalistically technocratic? 38
Posted by James Bowery on Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:06 | # GW writes: “geopolitically Chinese and globalistically technocratic” As though the Chinese aren’t globalistically technocratic? Isn’t the contest simply in who is to occupy the positions of World Controllers?
That which does not kill Putin makes him stronger.
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Posted by Timothy Murray on Sun, 02 Oct 2022 10:36 | # The rumblings supporting @GuessedWorker ‘s position (as well as Chris Langan’s) continue.
This level of perniciousness is consistent with the behavior of the neo cult; it also embraces the “let’s you and you and you fight” strategy that they profit from. My project is to figure out how to get my neighbors,protestants all, to quit defending the jew and start making them fight us directly, with no intermediary. I really hope Putin is a Nationalist, cause I really do not want to fight the Russians and the Chinese on American soil. 40
Posted by Thorn on Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:23 | # Now, the ruling-class - across the entire political spectrum - is peddling the nonsense that Putin sabotaged the Nord Stream pipelines. “It’s straight out of the Putin playbook!” they proclaim!! What’s scary is the incredibly large number of fools who fall for that crap. How F’ing gullible - or stupid - must one be to actually believe Putin would do such a thing? At any rate, the West’s deliberate instigation causing Russia to detonate a nuke is nearing a foregone conclusion. At this stage of the game, the only practical way to avoid such an event is to cede the territories Russia just annexed this past week. After that, let time sort things out. But our crazed incompetent “leaders” would rather risk nuclear conflagration on a worldwide scale rather than admit they miscalculated, i.e., that their decades long tactical blunders vis-a-vis post-Soviet Russia are inevitably leading to a nuclear conflict. Did they think Russia would just sit back quietly and never counter NATO expansion etc.? Or did they know beforehand Russia would lash-out? Either way they’ve led us (past tense) into WWIII.
This interview took place pre Nord Stream pipelines sabotage but it’s well worth the watch: Gaslighting without gas? Glenn Diesen, Professor at the University of South-Eastern Norway
https://www.rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/562632-glenn-diesen-eurozone-gas-situation/ 41
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 03 Oct 2022 00:25 | # Bit of a trip down memory lane with James’ quote @38 from BNW. My English lit A-level class was set the book when I was at Purley Grammar School, so I would have been either seventeen or eighteen. I was massively taken with it, and immediately began bingeing other Huxley works at home (Island, Eyeless in Gaza, Time Must have Stop, Doors of Perception, Ape and Essence, that I remember). I didn’t find what I wanted there, though; which I guess was an unambiguous gesture in the direction of “something of value” so that I could formulate my questions and seek out their answers. Perhaps not much has changed in that over the ensuing half a century and more. Huxley’s reputation as a seer, meanwhile, is exceeding that of Orwell, who was really more of a translator of the Soviet present (as of 1948) into a kind of futurism. Mind you, Huxley wrote BNW in the early 1930s when the first iteration of technocracy was still making waves, and HG Wells was writing The Shape of Things to Come ... From the wiki entry for that work:
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Posted by Thorn on Mon, 03 Oct 2022 18:48 | # 3 Oct, 2022 17:30 Elon Musk suggests Ukraine peace plan Crimea would remain Russian, and Ukraine – neutral, the tycoon has proposed
read more>> https://www.rt.com/russia/563988-elon-musk-ukraine-poll/ 43
Posted by James Bowery on Mon, 03 Oct 2022 21:04 | # I’ve been revisiting Huxley’s polar works, Brave New World and Island primarily as a means of getting back in touch with the confused state of thought in which our most “enlightened” minds dwell so I might better communicate with that audience, although the last sentence of the wiki entry for BNW makes a travesty of it. The “new race of super-talents” is actually little more than the average late 19th century graduate from one of the Anglosphere’s higher academies. No, there is an explicit statement in BNW that “truth” is so dangerous that it must be denied even to World Controllers. This is exactly in line with my experience as I’ve promoted Ockham’s Guillotine among those at the leading edge of Big Data and artificial intelligence. No one is interested in truth, not even the truth available in the natural sciences of society that is so critical to their being able to engineer their Brave New World. This is something that Huxley himself missed in his own book, although it is right there for anyone to see. Huxley identified “science” with what we call “the hard sciences” out of an obsession with the mechanisms of war that wiped out so much of England’s best and brightest in WW I. That said, BNW was a work of genius born of Huxley’s willingness to unleash his inner realist in the tradition of quasi-satirical cynics. “Island” was Huxley’s attempt to reign in this inner cynic and offer a positive vision, although he succeeds merely in reigning in his inner realist somewhat for the purpose of displaying the degree to which he had become an extended phenotype of the British Empire’s nascent immigrant flood from deep culture colonies. Pathetic as “Island” is, it stands head and shoulders above the Davos Man’s “Projection”. Huxley was simply ill equipped to provide “A Different Projection” to that in Brave New World. 44
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 04 Oct 2022 06:16 | # I do recall how deeply annoying Island was! Btw, that link isn’t working, James. 46
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 04 Oct 2022 22:21 | # HEH! ... The Salty Cracker knows the score. Elon Musk Proves That All These Criminals Don’t Want Peace In Ukraine 47
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 04 Oct 2022 22:50 | # Musk proves only that the side which is winning does not want to let its adversary off the hook. Always, the question is: what does the native defender want? “Criminals” are not party to that decision, and are not forcing anyone to fight for their land and freedom. No force is required. 48
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 04 Oct 2022 23:38 | # “Always, the question is: what does the native defender want?” Depends on if you consider the ethnic Russians living in the Donbas as native defenders too. If so, then it’s only fair to consider their wants also. There are two legitimate sides in this conflict and Musk’s suggestion that the UN step in and supervise elections in the regions recently annexed by Russia is just and reasonable - especially given the precipitating factors* leading up to the Special Military Operation. *A U.S.- and European Union (EU)-orchestrated coup in Kiev in 2014 and eight years of civil war that followed whereas the US/UK backed Ukrainian regime was attacking, oppressing, and killing the ethnic Russians. Again, Musk’s peace proposal is both rational and reasonable. 49
Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 05 Oct 2022 02:18 | # Some nitwit talked about fighting Russians and Chinese on American soil . Read Sun Tzu . The patience of China is legendary and , besides that , which sensible nation ( in the Latin as opposed to American sense of the word ) wishes to govern the Blacks and Mestizos which together will soon constitute a majority in the rotting USA. Re the Russians , there was a satirical film called , I think , “The Russians Are Coming ” and this may have excited the aforementioned nitwit’s febrile imagination. 50
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 05 Oct 2022 03:25 | # There are two legitimate sides in this conflict You do not know that. You are assuming that the FSB propaganda operations like The Saker and The Duran are retailing truth. There is no reliable evidence as to the actual state of opinion in the two eastern regions prior to the start of operations there by the Russian security, army, and contractor elements in 2014. We do, however, know there was no local militia and no extra-political resistance. That was wholly got up and paid for by the Russians. Local support for Yanukovych’s pre-Maiden puppet-politics is a different thing. In any case, the Donbas trope is falsified by the (failed) drive for Odessa, by the war for Kharkiv, by the “annexation” of Zaporizzhia and Kherson ... even by the on-going absorption of the whole of Belarus, and not just its border regions, under State Union Law. That’s not remotely legitimate. It’s pure imperialism. 51
Posted by James Bowery on Thu, 06 Oct 2022 18:12 | # I think it is more accurate to state that there are two illegitimate sides in this conflict and that anyone who assumes otherwise is assuming that one or the other side’s propaganda operations are retailing truth which is not simply a highly suspect assumption, it is about as close to a decidedly false assumption as one can get. All I see happening is culling-the-best-as-usual. 52
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 06 Oct 2022 23:09 | # The truth is, James, that all the eastern Slav nations have long histories of contested borders, conquests, empires, and all manner of murderous horrors. They are cauldrons of competing ethnicities and political extremes, attended by blatant political gangsterism and corruption. Ukraine since 1991 has been no different. But it has an opportunity now to fit itself, by degrees, to the Western state model through its anticipated membership of the EU and just through the fact that the debate about its spiritual belonging to the Russian world is over for good. There are signs that the governing class understand how arduous and challenging to the ingrained way of doing things that process will be. But the whole country must advance in that direction, or all the pain and loss of the war will have no fruitful resolution. As to legitimacy, to my mind there is always a moral legitimacy attaching to the victim and, especially, to the natives of the land. In central and eastern Europe there are plenty of examples of border changes which have marooned small part of populations in neighbouring states. One thinks of the Hungarians of Timisoara in Romania (who kicked off the revolution against Ceausescu), or the Poles of Zhytomyr in Ukraine, for that matter. In theory at least, the mere fact of ethnic minority does not gainsay the native principle, to which national sovereign status must adhere, and legitimacy in matters of the national will. That, of course, does not imply that all Kiev’s propaganda must be believed. 53
Posted by James Bowery on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 01:41 | # There are two dimensions to legitimacy: EGI EGI can be measured with Salter’s math and its loss is dominated by immigration statistics in virtually every developed country. We must assume that in order to regain national EGI that a massive bloodletting will occur that will require more loss of population per capita than The Thirty Years War—and that it will tend to take out the most heroic of young men as wars always do . Moral legitimacy attaching to “the victim” must start there and be placed far ahead of things like property rights or other gracious things of civilization. 54
Posted by Thorn on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 20:51 | # AMERICANS BETTER WAKE UP AND REALIZE THE RUSSIANS ARE GENUINELY PISSED OFF
Watch video: https://sonar21.com/americans-better-wake-up-and-realize-the-russians-are-genuinely-pissed-off/ That was then. Mr. Medvedev is singing quite a different tune now. He made this public statement yesterday:
I do not believe that Dimitry Medvedev was drunk or insane when he said this. I believe he is serious and reflects a view that is widely shared among the Russian leadership. The last seven months has been an eye opener for Medvedev and his colleagues in terms of discovering that the Americans and Europe see Russia as a piece of meat to be carved up and consumed. There is no solution based on compromise or negotiation with the west. Medvedev laid it out starkly and concisely–“complete and unconditional surrender.” I have seen zero media coverage of this. That is alarming. The American people need to understand that Russia ain’t playing and is not going to roll over and submit like a beaten dog just because the United States insists it will continue to funnel arms and money to Ukraine. Put yourself in the shoes of the Russian leaders and people. Here is what they have seen over the last 8 years since the democratically elected President of Ukraine was ousted by a western backed coup:
Now there is something more ominous. Ukraine and Poland are rattling nuclear sabers. [...] RTWT https://sonar21.com/americans-better-wake-up-and-realize-the-russians-are-genuinely-pissed-off/ 55
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 21:48 | # Grotesquely wrong thinking in that article, Thorn. Is that really what you hold to be adequate analysis? Why is Medvedev competing with Yevgeny Prigozhin and Ramzan Kadyrov for Most Violent Speaker? Is he speaking to anyone at all outside the Siloviki and the current circle of oligarchs? Is he speaking of anything whatever beyond the succession to Putin? Does America actually seek to smash up Russia, a land with 5,000 nuclear weapons? Or does America want an orderly reformation of Russian nationalism? It’s the first rule of computing. If you put rubbish analysis in you get rubbish analysis out; and in this case, by such laziness the author also reveals his West-hating agenda. Which is also rubbish, sans any geopolitical understanding whatsoever. Also, Yanukovitch was not deposed by neocons. He was deposed by 80% or so of the people, who had done the same thing - without Victoria Nuland and her husband along for the ride - a decade earlier. The Ukrainian people do not want Russification. The Ukrainian people do not want to be a second Belarus, governed by a puppet of the Kremlin. Like every other people west of Russia’s borders, including the people of Belarus, the Ukrainian people desire freedom and autonomy. They are fighting for it, and they deserve our total support. The native principle, after all, is our principle; not Russian empire, not Chinese global hegemony or the “hard Davos” that would go with it. 56
Posted by Thorn on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 22:52 | # Let the Ukrainian have Ukraine minus the four regions recently annexed by Russia. Any other analysis would be to promote the escalation of war. We can safely assume where an escalation will lead. There is no question that Russia was provoked into what many (hundreds of millions) correctly see as defensive action. From Pope Fances to Henry Kissinger to Elon Musk (to name a few) they clearly see the obvious ... and all agree Russia was pushed too far. Furthermore, the most viable peace resolution would be to cede land to Russia. But hey, the “woke” westernized Ukes have a plan in case Putin decides to unleash a nuke: https://nypost.com/2022/10/06/ukrainians-plan-orgy-in-event-of-putin-launching-nuke/ IMHO, if your desire is to have the native Ukrainian people survive into the future, surely you wouldn’t want them to adopt the “Western state model” (aka “wokesim” concomitant with massive non-white immigration), would you?!? Doing so, of course, is a sure-fire way to have them willfully commit ethnic suicide. No doubt Salter would agree that Ukraine adopting the “Western state model” would be disastrous/genocidal for the native Ukrainians’ EGI. 57
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 08 Oct 2022 00:01 | # Why four? Putin is supposed to only want two. When did the others ever get spoken about? But, actually, Putin doesn’t want the four regions. He wants the whole of Ukraine. He wants Moldova. He wants Belarus (he is getting it without a shot fired - yet). He wants Poland’s Suwalki Gap, which isolates the three Baltic states. He wants New Russia, by which means the Siloviki can parley with the CCP, and advance not only China’s destruction of the West and mastery over the Davos project but Russia’s too. That’s his game. But it is not ours. As we do not profit from Chinese dominion - quite the contrary - it is very plainly a bad idea to submit in advance to it. Therefore do not submit. 58
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 08 Oct 2022 10:15 | # You’re ignoring the fact that over the course of the last two decades, the USA/NATO left Russia little alternative but to forge a coalition with China. The West is the proximate cause of that!! 59
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 08 Oct 2022 23:47 | # You are ignoring the fact of the six conflicts which Putin generated in the Caucasus - none of them a product of “USA/NATO” interference. That said, your point has some weight in regard to Boris Yeltsin’s government post-1993. I think that man, glorious drunkard though he was, had a definite belief that Russia could not transition to a modern Western-style democracy without actually enjoining with the Western democracies, and that was denied him. But Putin never bore an interest in democracy or the West. As soon as he arrived on the scene in 1999/2000 it was inevitable that revanchism would rapidly characterise the conduct of Russian foreign affairs. Nobody forced Putin to be a revanchist and, at times, a Duginist. It’s just how the man was, or at least how he presented his foreign agenda. This persistent tendency to excuse him actually infantilises him. There is plenty to blame the Western elites about. But the course that Putin set to achieve Russian power and aggrandisement is not one of them. 60
Posted by Thorn on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 11:17 | # “Nobody forced Putin to be a revanchist and, at times, a Duginist.” I respectfully disagree with your opinion. I’m in the camp that sees Putin’s actions as defensive in nature, not “revanchist.” Furthermore I don’t think Putin’s decision making process is influenced by Dugin; Putin is too much of a sober objective pragmatist when it comes to matters of both foreign and domestic policy decisions for that. If the West was genuinely interested in a peaceful resolution in Ukraine, it’d welcome with open arms Musk’s idea of allowing a referendum - overseen by the UN - deciding whether or not the the people of the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia want to join Russia or remain as part of Ukraine. But the West is not interested in a peaceful resolution. They want war with Russia. That’s been evident for two decades now. Moreover, the Western ruling-elites hate Putin for the same reasons they hate Trump, Giorgia Meloni and others…. Most of it boils down to ideology; the aforementioned poses a great threat to “wokeism” thus must be demonized then “cancelled”. You might scoff at such an opinion but there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that supports that theory. 61
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 14:52 | # Thorn, you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support your contention about Putin’s defensive motives. It is constructed from hatred of your own elites. It takes that hatred into places it does not belong. Meanwhile, the reality of the man is discussed by serious people everywhere. Unfortunately, many nationalists, especially American WNs, are not intellectually serious. If they could stop hating long enough they might ask themselves why Putin’s response to an attack by Ukraine on a military target - the Crimea bridge - is met with the murders of civilians asleep in Zaporizzhia, while his lunatic attack dogs in Russian politics bay for the destruction of every Ukrainian city. How does that square with “defence”? You are excusing a monster. Musk’s idea, in respect to Luhansk and Donetsk, was totally ignored by Putin in (I think) late March, after the defeat at Kiev. It was proposed by Zelensky on condition of the withdrawal of the Russian Army from his country. Putin was not interested in the Donbas (whose men have since been kidnapped off the streets and pitched into battle with the Ukrainian Army, without basic training or equipment). Putin’s concern for the Donbas was always a lie. He is not acting defensively. Like far too many others, you have allowed yourself to be captured by propaganda which appealed to the hatred you harbour. 62
Posted by Thorn on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 16:43 | # “Thorn, you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support your contention about Putin’s defensive motives.” NATO expansion alone triggered Putin’s defensive motives. Add to that the West’s military buildup there making, in effect, Ukraine a staging base for a potential attack on Russia. IOWs what you believe is Putin is a monster for not ignoring that offensive threat? And, of course, Putin should ignore the many years-long pleas from the under-attack ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine begging to become part of Russia? Should’ve the Russian leadership just stood back and watched the persecution, oppression and murder of ethnic Russians pleading for help? And you think my opinion is constructed from hatred of my own elites? Laughable. How about it’s a normal healthy reaction to the hatred of my elites directed towards me and the people who think like me? You act like you’re oblivious to the fact that the official position of the Biden administration is “White supremacists pose America’s greatest domestic threat.” ... “Not radical Islam” but “white supremacists.” Who qualifies as “white supremacists”? Answer: According to Biden, the Democratic Party and the Deep State, it’s “MAGA Republicans”, that’s who. To put it another way, the Democrat Party currently led by the Biden administration has weaponized the DoJ, the FBI, Dept. of Homeland Security and all the rest of the intelligence community against their political opposition, namely: white conservatives/trad Christians and-or anyone else who supports white conservatives or traditional Christianity. Wake the F up, GW. These elites you seem to support are a step or two from implementing a Gulag Archipelago American style. These “woke” elites don’t simply disagree with us, they see us as incorrigibly racist and bigoted thus want us eliminated! And if you’re incapable of conceiving that our “woke” elites lack the will and or motivation to commit mass incarceration/mass murder against their domestic political enemies, just look at what the DoJ/FBI is doing to the Jan 6 protesters. Look what Dubya did to the Iraqis. And for a more specific example: look at the answer Madeline Albright gave when asked if the sanctions on Iraq were worth causing the death of 500 thousand Iraqi children? She coldly answered: “Yes, it was worth it.” Then there is Hillary when asked about the U.S. instigated assassination of Qaddafi: “We came, we saw, he died. cackle cackle….” That’s but a few examples highlighting their callous sociopathic mindset. Apparently remorse and shame is not part of their psychological make-up. Given the power, is there any doubt these “woke elites” would jump on the opportunity to persecute American citizens? History proves these types live among us and the USA is not immune from such. Do you get the point?!? At any rate, that’s quite a comment you posted there, GW. There’s more I can address but I’m stunned at your lack of common sense ... your narrow one-sided take on the US/UK instigated proxy war. Look, it’s a given the Western “elites” knew Putin was a murderous thug before they instigated the conflict thus it’s reasonable to assume our reckless “elites” took into account all the risks and consequences beforehand. Moreover, there are no clean hands in this conflict - least of all those who instigated it. And make no mistake about it, it was the overanxious power-hungry Western elites who instigated it. 63
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 09 Oct 2022 23:24 | # I think you and people like you are manipulated into harming your own cause. I think this article is correct about where and why that manipulation is generated: I think the fundamental problem is the hatred that many nationalists, and very many WNs, harbour for the people who have been doing us harm since the end of WW2. I think you are all led by the nose, even to the point of willingness to see your own world torn down. I think you cannot or do not want to comprehend that you are supporting the side which will absolutely crush you, given the chance. I think you are happy to be suicidal on behalf of your own precious people (who, of course, instinctively do not want what you want). 64
Posted by Thorn on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 00:49 | # “I think you and people like you are manipulated into harming your own cause.” I know you are acting foolish by demonstrating your flimsy ability to make character assessments. Unfortunately, at best, you come across as a pompous ass. But more the case, just another schmuck with an opinion limited in scope via approved government-media complex narratives and talking points. I say that as a friendly word of advice, GW. 65
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 09:57 | # Can you think independently? That’s what this disagreement is about. Those nationalists who have been led to believe that inviting a Chinese boot on our people’s throat will somehow change things for the better have very plainly been propagandised. You are in that category. But if, of course, you can conclusively show that the Uighurs, say, do not fairly represent how dissidence is treated by the CCP, and nothing of the kind would ever happen to a dissenting ethnic group in Europe, then go right ahead. You win. Or you could argue that geopolitics doesn’t enter into it at all. There is no Sino-Russian drive for global supremacy over the dead body of our race. Then you could simply date history from 2014, ignore Russia’s war-mongering imperialism elsewhere, and argue that it’s all NATO and Jewish neocons, and Putin just wants to free the poor Russians of the Donbas. But if you would be too ashamed to do that because in your heart of hearts you know that geopolitics and globalism are not just NATO and Jewish neocons but are, each in their own way, the reality of the competitive action of power interests in our benighted age, then you have to take account of this “pompous ass” and ask yourself why you can’t actually stand up the image of the world which you have formed over the past six or seven months. For me, the answer is clear. You have a lot of active negative emotion which dishonest others have succeeded in marshalling for their cause, which isn’t the cause of our race. Yes, that reduces you to the status of a tool, and you won’t want to see yourself that way. But then how do we nationalists assess the status of the sleeping masses if not as tools of powers they don’t even suspect of existing? 66
Posted by Thorn on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 13:18 | # GW, I’m in the camp that clearly sees Putin/Russia were goaded in to invading Ukraine. Our side knew all the hot buttons to push, and they deliberately pushed nearly all of them. Hence, it was Putin who was manipulated. Congratulations to the U.S. State Dept. for succeeding at manipulating Putin. Now Ukraine is being invaded and wrecked but more importantly we’re all staring the face the real possibility of a nuclear war. And that was totally predicable!!!!!! You didn’t have to be a prescient genius to have saw this coming, you just can’t be a bleeping idiot! Common sense informs sane ppl shouldn’t go out of their way to antagonize and threaten a murderous thug - particularly one who possesses 5,000 nukes ... and will no doubt use them. But Western leadership is very short on patience and common sense. Let me put it another way: Our western leadership has created a situation where 100s of millions of white ppl are the potential targets of nuclear weapons. And that was totally predictable too! At this point the best-case scenario would be for Washington to get on the phone with Moscow and agree upon the peace proposal Elon Musk came up with. Prolonging this war brings us closer and closer to a nuclear exchange ... and it’s a given there is no such thing as a limited nuclear war. Once the nukes start flying, it spells the end, baby! Zelenski and all his misled supporters can go pound salt. The rise of China and the CCP’s authoritarianism is a different subject. First things first and that means negotiating peace with Russia ... stat! 67
Posted by Thorn on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 22:03 | # Russia Unleashes a Wave Of Missile Strikes Across Ukraine 68
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Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 12 Oct 2022 02:54 | # GW , that was indeed a searching question . Of course , we must not confuse Russia with the USSR , the latter being the result of a Revolution organised by non - Russians ( for which see Solzhenitsyn’s ” Two Hundred Years Together ). Communism’s temporary success in Russia was a “Jewish Reformation” inasmuch as it replaced , Luther - like , one (((Christian))) denomination with another similarly Semitic one. Of course the new Marxian religion excised the Supernatural as surely as a Rebbe performs a bris thus bringing the Russians full circle post - Crucifiction. The Russians let the side down somewhat by their 1905 military defeat to Japan which so damaged White prestige that Asians imagined that they might defeat Colonialism ; but as educated Japanese often remark , ” the term Asian is a White linguistic construct and we are Japanese “. 71
Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 12 Oct 2022 02:59 | # Erratum : “Jews” should do duty as “Russians” in the fourth sentence. 72
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Posted by Timothy Murray on Fri, 14 Oct 2022 22:40 | # GuessedWorker wrote: ” If they could stop hating long enough they might ask themselves why Putin’s response to an attack by Ukraine on a military target - the Crimea bridge - is met with the murders of civilians asleep in Zaporizzhia, while his lunatic attack dogs in Russian politics bay for the destruction of every Ukrainian city. How does that square with “defence”?” Putin is on offence. His hit on Ukraine was a preemptive strike against the plotting neocon jews…who are positively giddy at pitting “America” against Russia*. In America, we believed that they were Americans…civic nationalism and all that. Except for Protestant leadership and some/much of the Catholic, we in Christendom have been disabused of that assumption. Which, segues into an observation that your assertion that this can be finessed is in contention with the my view that this is an existential war. Dear GuessedWorker…we are not thinking ahead in political terms… we are fighting for our lives.We win, they lose. Now…I am optimistic! *I am new to History, and just this year , via Vox, that Morgenthau was in charge of much of the war against the Germans. I , without any proof, am convinced that Morgenthau was just as giddy as the scumbags in the fedgov running this op 74
Posted by Thorn on Wed, 19 Oct 2022 13:34 | # First this: 19 Oct, 2022 10:26 US billionaire proposes peace plan for Ukraine and Russia Hedge fund manager Bill Ackman says Kiev should make concessions to Moscow https://www.rt.com/news/564960-bill-ackman-ukraine-peace/ Then this: Fake News Says Demanding Peace In Ukraine Is Going To Get Us Nuked 75
Posted by Al Ross on Thu, 20 Oct 2022 03:14 | # Ackman may have a dim Jewish understanding that Russia , if pushed to the wall by the United Snakes proxy NATO , will have nothing to lose by Nuking the enemy. If so , he has doubtless incurred the opprobrium of his fellow Kikes , David Frum , Max Boot et al whose atavistic , folklore memory is of Cossack hooves thudding rapidly towards the Shtetl . 76
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 20 Oct 2022 15:58 | # Of course, Victoria Nuland is a prime example of a Kike driven by burning revenge/historical grievances against those Ukrainian Cossacks you speak of. She claims her family was directly and brutally victimized by them. Which begs the question: How the f**k did she maneuver her way into such powerful and influential positions within the U.S. Dept. of State? ... those in which she had the power to make decisions over the fate of Ukraine’s future?!? But, of course, we already know how and why she got there; the skids were greased for her. As far as Ackman goes, apparently, he understands it’s much better to redraw the boundary lines of Ukraine rather than risk a catastrophe worldwide in scope. After all, the regions Russia is liberating are inhabited mainly by ethnic Russians. Henry Kissinger is on the same wavelength as Ackman. Two prominent Jews worth listening to. Imagine that! At any rate, Elon Musk has the best suggestion thus far: A UN supervised election in the four regions that Russia annexed (Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhia). IOWs let the people decide whether they want to be part of Ukraine or Russia. Leave it up to the will of the people. Fuck Zelenski, Soros and Schwab along with all the ill-informed schmucks being duped by the Western propaganda machine.
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Posted by macrobius on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 04:27 | #
GW, I don’t think most Western nationalists and right wingers hold any such illusions about Russia, China and any other states for that matter. Rather they tend to hold a Realpolitik view of international politics that presumes states are self-interested power maximizers. So this characterization of their views is a bit of a strawman and unfair. As far as the relationship between the WEF globalists and China, obviously there are “internal contradictions” so to speak in the relationship, and ultimately there must be between any such relationship between globalists and sovereign states (at least those that are gentile based) that are black boxes and aren’t internally dominated or influenced by Jews or by Western states that are themselves dominated/influenced by Jews. We are now seeing these “internal contradictions” come to a head as relations between the US and China increasingly deteriorate and become mutually hostile. The Biden administration has recently ramped up economic measures against China’s economy and tech industry, measures much more severe than those that were pushed by Trump. The Biden administration is staffed by liberals and Clinton associates. US liberals and globalists have increasingly become hawkish on China and are advocating preparations for possible war with China over Taiwan. It seems like there is a decent chance of war with China for Taiwan in the coming years. Having said all this, from the strategic point of view of maintaining Western primacy and preventing China or any other non-white power’s further rise, you could make the case for Western nationalists to ally with globalists and Jews to impose planetary globalism and finally usher in “the end of history”, and then with China et al having been vanquished, turn towards nationalist goals at home. From this point of view, it makes sense to oppose Russia and to seek regime change or defeat and weakening there, as currently Russia occupies the last position with which to “checkmate” China. China is currently completely surrounded by US allies and military bases except for Russia. A pro-US regime in Moscow or a defeated Russia would complete the US encirclement and “checkmate” China. With Russia and China out of the picture, the geopolitical “end of history” would be at hand. At any rate, I think this debate is kind of moot as while many nationalists are not too keen on opposing Russia right now, most of them are relatively hawkish on China and will support tougher measures or war against China even if they are led by globalists and Jews. 78
Posted by Al Ross on Thu, 03 Nov 2022 03:30 | # A decent chance of war with China over Taiwan ? How many Trans , Black , Latinx American soldiers , do you imagine , are willing to sacrifice their lives for that futile cause ? Christ , do you realise that during the Vietnam War , a war against Ethnic Nationalism , not Communism , White guys were dying while faux pacifist Jews in Berkeley were protesting ; until Israel was at war , then the Jew boys threw down their placards , headed for their true country of citizenship and picked up Uzis. Time to face reality . China is the monoracial future and America is the doomed multiracial Bidenesque pretender. 79
Posted by macrobius on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 06:04 | # Al Ross, A similar attitude prevailed at the start of this year right before the Russian invasion. Many on the right were convinced Russia would win handily and that diverse, trans, etc America could do nothing to stop it. In reality, America has been able to assist Ukraine with weapons, technical know how, training, satellite targeting, military advisors and intel agents and operators, that cost a tiny fraction of the American budget while Russia’s performance has been very poor and underwhelming. In light of this, we would have to upgrade any assessment of US military power relative to Russia/China despite the current diversity and trans mania. There is a great deal of ruin in a nation, and it’s clear that the US still militarily predominant for the foreseeable future. Furthermore, many conservatives and the hard right identify with Russia to varying degrees as a fellow white Christian nation and thus aren’t very enthusiastic about agitating and warring against Russia. Obviously such sentiments would not prevail in a clash with China and thus it will be much easier to get white American support and participation despite any anti-white pro-diversity policies and culture in the military. The success of Ukraine thus far has emboldened the American establishment as Russia has been exposed as much weaker than previously believed. This has also likely emboldened them vis a vis China and for many hawks a confrontation sooner rather than later, when China could potentially be stronger, would be preferable. We are in a similar situation as in the runup to WW2 when FDR tried and eventually succeeded in provoking Japan in order to justify US participation in the war. Provoking China to invade Taiwan soon would enable the US to impose an economic blockade and sanctions and possibly take military action against China. 80
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 15 Dec 2022 10:20 | # On other fora I keep encountering the meme that the Ukrainian government is heavily Jewish. Here are the cabinet members: https://www.kmu.gov.ua/en/team Although they seem to have Wiki pages, their ethnicity is not given. Has anyone come across an account of cabinet members’ ethnicity that is (a) authoritative and (b) of non-Russian origin (ie, not cooked up in the FSB operation based in the National Library in St Petersburg)? 81
Posted by Manc on Sun, 18 Dec 2022 13:36 | # GW, unless any of them entered politics this year and went straight into the cabinet, none appear to be Jewish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_Ukrainian_politicians 82
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 18 Dec 2022 22:47 | # Thank you, Manc, for that useful point of reference. One senses that nationalists across the Western world may have been made fools of. But willing fools. 83
Posted by Thorn on Mon, 19 Dec 2022 14:16 | # “On other fora I keep encountering the meme that the Ukrainian government is heavily Jewish.” LOL ... WTF did/do you expect?!? But I’ll do ya one better: On virtually all WN ‘fora’ I invariably encounter an abundance of “fools” who’ve swallowed hook-line-and-sinker the some of the most irrational antisemitic propaganda. IMHO, too many SJCers pollute those places. Q: Why has WN been such a perennial failure? A: Because it is (to put it mildly) unappealing to the masses. DUH! 84
Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 20 Dec 2022 04:56 | # It is emotionally stressful for American Beta boys to be conflicted . Russia , an ostensibly Christian, Alpha , Ethno - state, on the one hand and the Jews of Kiev, backed by the Jews of Tel Aviv - on - the - Hudson on the other. Who will win ? Russia by June. 85
Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 20 Dec 2022 06:12 | # Your telling comment, GW , may be partially attributed to a racially alien religion which etiolates our natural ethnic instincts . But we must give the Devil his Jew. 86
Posted by Thorn on Tue, 20 Dec 2022 14:13 | #
I think you’re on the right track, Al. But my prediction is more on safe ground. I say by June the USA, UK and the UN will be much worse for wear than Russia. Ironically sanctions are hurting the West much more than they’re hurting Russia. (As usual the masses are bearing the brunt of the suffering.) Moreover, if there is a (not so secret) movement of malicious anti-whites (with Jews over-represented at the center) plotting to diminish the white-race’s standing in the world, what better way than to instigate a proxy war between the USA and Russia thus causing suffering and further weakening of nearly all white countries? The thing is many of us saw that coming before the events leading up to the Maidan Revolution. It was all done in plain sight! One thing for sure is the Special Military Operation (SMO) is not part of a larger Russian imperialistic scheme. That line of propaganda may have held sway early on, but since has proven to be absurd.
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Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 20 Dec 2022 18:23 | # On who will win, Al, before you decide read the Russian blogger Murz: According to Arestovych and Feygin:
Of course, it is difficult for us to get a sense of where it’s heading, truth being the first casualty, and all that. Both sides fear an offensive. Ukrainian ministers and Army high command are talking up the possibility of a 200,000-strong Russian Army in January or February. Arestovych and Feygin have said:
Meanwhile, the Russians fear a Ukrainian advance through Zaporizhzhya and on to Melitopol. The latter remains the key. Taking the city exposes the Russian forces on the left bank of the Dnipro, brings Crimea within HIMARS range, and opens the way to Mariupol. It’s worth bearing in mind that Putin can probably survive a deadly stalemate in Bakhmut. Attrition is the Russian way of war. But the Ukrainians have to demonstrate success to encourage the Western arms suppliers to keep the flow coming. Failure in the field will lead to calls for negotiation based on what the Russians already hold. So a Ukrainian offensive is pretty much a nailed-on certainty. Thorn: One thing for sure is the Special Military Operation (SMO) is not part of a larger Russian imperialistic scheme. That line of propaganda may have held sway early on, but since has proven to be absurd. The professional Russian Army has been broken. The reserves are now being broken. This isn’t some kind gesture for the benefit of the good folk of the Donbas, Thorn. It was called a Special Military Operation for domestic political reasons but it is a full-scale war of conquest that failed. The Moldovans, by the way, are talking about evidence in their possession of a not-yet-abandoned Russian intent to invade their territory in early 2023: https://odessa-journal.com/russia-planned-to-invade-moldova-in-early-2023/
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Posted by Thorn on Tue, 20 Dec 2022 22:21 | # “The professional Russian Army has been broken. The reserves are now being broken.” Of course I respect your opinion, GW. You may very well be correct in your assessment. But our opinions are only as good as the limited - typically biased - info available. IOWs it’s entirely possible both of us are missing the mark. One report I’ve read (about a month ago) has Putin declaring the objectives of the operation are going to take a very long time to complete. Make of that what you will but my take is this can drag out for years. If that’s the case, what shape will the EU countries be in, say, March of 2025? As of now, Europe has enough energy reserves to last through this upcoming winter - barely enough. But what about next winter? ... or the one after that? So many unknowns. But one thing is for sure, (unlike most EU countries) Russia has staying power. At any rate, here’s an opposing view to notion that the professional Russian Army has been broken. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/washington-is-prolonging-ukraines-suffering/ 89
Posted by Al Ross on Thu, 22 Dec 2022 03:25 | # GW , I suspect that you do not subscribe to historicist opinion re Russia’s current resolute defence of its own interests . Of course, they were beaten by Japan in 1905 but as , the NY Mafia’s John Gotti said of Sammy Gravano , on an FBI tape , “He backdoored me”.
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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 Dec 2022 08:15 | # Russia isn’t defending anything, Al. Putin is thrashing its broad peasant’s back to advance his interests (and the interests of the Siloviki) within the struggle for global hegemony which is taking place between America and the West and China and the other BRICS nations plus Iran and Saudi. My sense of it is that there are at least three visions at work here. One is the multipolar world ... the empire of Money ... which the Western elites seek to bring into being, and which requires what Mark Carney calls geo-economic thinking on the part of all the world’s national elites. Another is the world of economic regions, perhaps half-a-dozen of them, which Moscow and the Indians, Iranians and Saudis seek to realise, and to which Beijing pays lip service (as it also does to multipolarity). The third is Beijing’s vision of its own post-Western global hegemony, which Moscow is also perfectly prepared to see come to pass. All three visions are Davosian in operation and communistic in their address of non-elite humanity. From our standpoint the difference lies in the racial Mind which conceives the methods of social control, and the room those methods may or may not leave for us to respond according to our nature. 91
Posted by Thorn on Fri, 23 Dec 2022 13:24 | # “Russia isn’t defending anything, Al. Putin is thrashing its broad peasant’s back to advance his interests ....” So GW has led himself to believe Putin is an irrational character exhibiting megalomania; hence, for the protection and safety of both Russia and the rest of the world, he must be deposed. Okey-doke. (I’ll just ask you to do this: Try to imagine the chaos that’ll result in a post-Putin Russia.)
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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 Dec 2022 14:35 | # I am only too well aware that nationalists take the Prigozhin/FSB line on the “Special Military Operation”, obediently excising Ukraine from all the rest of Putin’s expansionism and declaring that it’s all about the Donbas. However, I take the libertarian line that while Putin is no intellectual, as is well known, he is perfectly capable of operating within the framework in which geopolitics meld into the contesting forms of globalism. There are many pieces on this chequerboard, and the FSB line explains none of them. I’m pretty sure that the attraction for nationalists in explaining nothing lies solely in the opportunity it supplies to kick America, Biden, the West, NATO, neocons and Jews; and intellectual consistency be damned. 93
Posted by Thorn on Fri, 23 Dec 2022 18:40 | # ”... declaring that it’s all about the Donbas.” The atrocities that’ve taken place in the Donbas subsequent to the Maidan Revolution are incidental to NATO expansion. The facts vis-a-vis NATO expansion is what the Kremlin is mainly concerned about - and understandably so. 94
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 23 Dec 2022 22:35 | # I hear this rubbish from other victims of the National Library unit about massacred civilians in the Donbas. Usually it is 14,000. They must include the dead of the Ilovaisk massacre of 29 August 2014: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49426724 ... and the dead of Girkin’s war-crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 But, actually, you can easily find the figures for all deaths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War ... and see exactly what the Library boys and girls are doing. NATO expansion is another lie. To become a NATO member requires an invitation to the would-be accession state to participate in a formal application and assessment process. No such invitation was extended to Ukraine. But not much more than a year after Putin became president he was arranging for his puppet Yanukovych to govern Ukraine as PM. Then, at the next presidential election two years later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych
Yanukovych was not at all alone in being what we might consider a compromised actor. Ukraine during these years was a nightmare of political corruption. Zelensky’s government is only really now acting against the oligarchs, as it must to secure EU membership; but that, too, has involved a barely concealed power struggle. It is important to understand that history did not begin in 2014, or even in 2004. In particular, geopolitical history began immediately on the declaration of Ukrainian independent statehood in 1991. Through the 90s the Kremlin treated Ukraine as a satrapy. From 2002 Putin sought to formalise it by imposing his man on the country, to operate as Lukashenko does to the north. Until Trump, America and the EU had a shared interest in maintaining the challenge of liberal and neoliberal politicians in Kiev. The evidence is that Ukrainians themselves wanted clean government first and foremost, and Western democratic standards and freedoms second. There is absolutely no evidence that they wanted to become a southern Belarus. When we, as nationalists, come to determine what is right, we have to do so on the basis of the will of the majority, and not allow hatred of the West or even of Putin’s ways to get in the way. It is very clear now what Ukrainians want for their own future. Respect it. 95
Posted by Thorn on Fri, 23 Dec 2022 23:58 | # You make a damned good case, GW. There’s not much there I can disagree with except the NATO expansion part. When Russia says its national security is threatened by NATO expansion, they mean all the expansion that occurred since 1992. 96
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 24 Dec 2022 04:56 | # GW , your comment reminds me of the scene in The Sopranos , where the hospitalized TC , watching a boxing match , receives an impromptu tutorial from an Astro Physicist fellow patient, to the effect that ” You know , what you see is not really two people fighting , they are simply part of the molecular structure. Warmest Regards and Merry Xmas 97
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 24 Dec 2022 05:25 | # TS of course , I mistook him for Top Cat, another worthy foe agin oppressive authority. 98
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 24 Dec 2022 14:57 | # LMAOOOOO Please take no offence, GW, but Al’s comment @ 96 is so spot on it’s hilarious. Merry Christmas to all. 99
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 24 Dec 2022 23:39 | # Very funny, Al. Season’s greeting to you and to Thorn; and to all who read these words. 100
Posted by Timothy Murray on Mon, 26 Dec 2022 14:06 | # Seasons Greetings (and happy Boxing Day?) to all. also Merry Christmas.
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Posted by Thorn on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 00:10 | # Excellent interview from start to finish. (Really interesting vis-a-vis Ukraine between minutes 18- & 23.) DENNIS KUCINICH: HOW THE WAR MACHINE TOOK OVER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY https://therealnews.com/dennis-kucinich-how-the-war-machine-took-over-the-democratic-party 102
Posted by Thorn on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 01:30 | # Washington’s proxy war against Russia LifeSiteNews: In your opinion, who is the main culprit in the escalation of the Ukraine conflict? How could the conflict be resolved peacefully and diplomatically, what would be the aspects of an agreement between the parties to the conflict? Who is the driving force trying to prevent a peaceful solution to the conflict? [...] Read more…. https://www.zeit-fragen.ch/archiv/2022/nr-28-27-dezember-2022/washingtons-stellvertreterkrieg-gegen-russland
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Posted by macrobius on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 23:27 | #
GW, If you believe the main thing is to suppress non-Western powers like China and Russia at all costs, wouldn’t the intellectually consistent position on your part be to throw in your lot with Western liberal and Jewish elites in their pursuit of hegemony? After all, no matter how much you disagree with or find distasteful, say, Jewish neocons, they do wish to maintain and extend US dominance and hegemony. After a hypothetical “End of History” is achieved via US/Western hegemony, then you could turn to an internal ethnonationalist struggle, no? 104
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 29 Dec 2022 01:34 | # Thorn, McGregor has been selling this line since the beginning. He, too, has no comprehension of why the Western elites, in order to realise their model of The Globality, must curtail the efforts of Russia and China to achieve theirs. He simply assumes that the West is evil and everyone else is the West’s victim. It’s not true, not because the Western model is not an evil but because the Kremlin and CCP models are no better, and the Russian and Chinese Minds are vastly more alien and void of essential sympathy. If we must suffer under the lash ... if there is no reprieve from technocracy ... then let it be the project of a Mind like our own. 105
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 29 Dec 2022 01:52 | # Macrobius, I trust my reply to Thorn just above is clear enough. Of course, I would not wish us to encourage any form of technocracy or its Judaic predecessor. The 14 words hold true. We have to oppose any and every assault on the life of our race. That said, I’ve made myself rather unpopular among the incessant Jew-talkers among us by explaining the real scale of this task, commencing as it does not in Jew talk nor even in any form of political or community activism but in philosophy. That is, we can make politics, if we wish. But we will not succeed in anything very much without a philosophy of life by which men may live in truth and from their being, ie, until we have an ethnic nationalism which can replace the liberal system of life-organisation ... the liberal model of Man ... which operates across the West today. However, the vast majority of nationalists just want to carry on doing what they have always done, regardless of the undeniable fact that it has only brought us to our present state of impotence. They just have too much anger and too much frustration to listen. So, along comes Putin, and the guys immediately assume that he must be the answer to “neocons”, Biden, “Globo-Homo” et al! No further thought or observation required! It’s not even nationalism in any recognisable form. It’s just desperately poor and mechanical. But this is where we are. Our NCO class are running the army. 106
Posted by Thorn on Thu, 29 Dec 2022 13:26 | # GW, What Macgregor has been consistently wrong about is his overestimation of the ability of the Russian military forces to accomplish their objectives. Macgregor has - to put it mildly - discredited himself on that account. Fact: The USA’s superior military hardware coupled with its space-based and ground intelligence gathering capabilities is what has given Ukraine the decisive edge thus thwarting Russia’s ground efforts. How the ramifications of the war will impact the white-race is an open question…. so far it’s looking like it’ll leave virtually all Western nations (white nations) much worse for wear. The facts show us the war is in effect accelerating the ‘multipolar’ global realignment. The Southern hemisphere countries seem to be benefiting quite nicely from the ongoing realignment. 107
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 29 Dec 2022 20:27 | # My comment @90 applies in respect to Multipolarity. “The West” is not globalism in its post-Judaic, technocratic form. Technocracy is a system of global elite parasitism necessarily open to all parties to try to influence to their own advantage, and therein lies the catch. There is a struggle in train for whether Multipolarity has any meaning beyond “post-Western”. Everyone involved seems to want “post Western”. The Western elites certainly want that, but they want it to be inclusive so that it may birth the new parasitism. That’s their great geo-economic gambit. The Russians and the Chinese want “post-Western” too, of course; but then they want something on top of that which is much more aggrandising for themselves. The likelihood is that all governments which are still thinking geopolitically (Turkey, Iran, Saudi, India, for starters) want something else too. It’s not a done deal for the Western elites. 108
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 01:06 | # GW , your second sentence is telling. The West gave up is technological advantage because of embedded Christian attitudes towards ” lesser breeds without the Law ” to borrow Kipling’s phrase . NB , Kipling meant the Law of Moses , to which Muslims theoretically adhere , but he made an ignorant journalistic mistake. Back to my point : We had attitudes towards our Empire’s denizens which were derived from the racially alien Bible , thankfully leavened with the Aryan pragmatic recognition of the impracticability of converting hordes of Hindus and Muslims, and ,stupidly and Christianly, transferred the fruits of Western technological genius to an ingrate Third World. 109
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 02:22 | # I can’t speak about the MSM in the UK but here in the States the transparent leftist propaganda it serves up is mind-numbing. Even the Fox News Channel (regarded as the right-wing alternative to the other “woke” networks) is nothing more than news reporting presented from a right-leaning liberal perspective. So-called right-wing talk radio is equally misinformative thus useless; it wasn’t prior to 9-11 but it is now. OTOH RT actually has some quality shows. They’re actually worth taking the time to view. One such show is Cross Talk. https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/ 110
Posted by Al Ross on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 04:53 | # What else , Thorn, as an American , might you reasonably expect when you comport yourself and your family around a Smart TV , the alternative definition of which is ” the Jew in the room’s corner.” 111
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 13:03 | # ” the Jew in the room’s corner.” Yep, that’s a damned accurate way of describing it. 112
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 13:05 | # Via The Burning Platform
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Posted by Timothy Murray on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:47 | # @GW Persistent in your analysis is the assumption of an elite running the world for its own interests. (Please correct me if I am wrong). Opposed to this stasis is a history of devolution of knowledge and power from “the elite” to the masses (where a natural hierarchy of earned merit flourishes) Gutenberg printing press. In line with that are Putin’s statements that each people have the “right” to live as they are in their own lands, in peace, free from “the elites” doing to them what the Universal Plague of Mankind has been doing since at least 50 A.D. In line with that is MacGregor’s observation (on one of his interviews) that the UPoM had conducted its aggressions with NO respect for culture, history, language…for the poor people they are “liberating” We see then, two forces…aggregation and subsidiarity….or, in E.M. Jones theological terminology…Logos Rising. If my assumptions of your point of view are correct, what are the reasons for you having them? Ancient history and the persistences of blood lines through time? Cordially, t. *ESR has written that Microsoft now ships a Linux sub-system on its new operating systems with the expectation that M.S. (now an Indian company operating out of Redmond CA) will switch entirely to Linux with its legacy systems running on a virtual machine on of Linux. This is clearly a win for the dis-aggregation model over the aggregation model.
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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 17:46 | # Tim: In line with that are Putin’s statements that each people have the “right” to live as they are in their own lands, in peace If he ever said that he is lying. Which, at this point in the Russian assault on Ukraine, should be (but probably isn’t) completely obvious even to nationalists. Remember that in his long article of July 2021 Putin claimed both that the Ukrainians did not have a homeland and that Ukrainians were brothers to Russians (which, I suppose, is at least consistent with the claim that Chechens and Buryatis are brothers to Western Slavs). That tells you that he believes in a fourth Russian empire to be achieved by violent conquest if all other means (ie, political control by a puppet leader) fail. Bear in mind that Russian empire has invariably meant population transfers out of conquered territories. Putin himself scattered the Crimean Tartars after 2014. He is not an ethnic nationalist. He is instinctively a weakener of the ethnic principle, I would say, rather than an outright destroyer of it. The globalist model he advances is Glazyev’s, and is bloc-centric. It is an alternative to the Western elites’ multipolar model. But it is no less globalism, as is Beijing’s Sino-centric drive for hegemony. In among all this struggle, the only true defender of ethnicity is the ethnic group. My advise on MacGregor is to exercise caution when subjected to the “intelligence” of a military man. As regards EMJ, he’s religious like you; and he is led into error on the race question by his Catholicism (a failing from which you are free). I’m not going to attack religious feeling in the way that my old friend Al does. My preferred way is to transcend its universals, which, faith aside, at least leaves open the possibility of some comity of minds. So far that hasn’t worked! 115
Posted by Timothy Murray on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 20:02 | # Hi GW Thank you for your perspective on Putin; these assertions that directly challenge my suppositions are very important. Culture is both a way of seeing and a way of NOT seeing, and I definitely have my blind spots. I concur on MacCregor; he is a technician talking his craft through the lens of his training. He spends hours on tactics and strategy without ever mentioning motive. (in my religious view, the motives of the neocons are demonic hatred of the Christ and His church…#teambiological , like Alex Linder or Tanstaafl place motive behind the naturalistic attributes of a different species (a very important and coherent pov , btw)) Regarding my question on the trends on aggregation and dis-aggregation….do you have any thoughts on that? I will add to my previous* remarks that the jews are walking into a new trap for them as a result of this dis-aggregation of knowledge and information. If, my dis-aggregation assumptions are incorrect, then they will land on their feet, probably as a useful foil by a competing globalist elite. cordially t *I love a place where I am not lectured on including ‘u’ after ‘io’! English teachers are the worst! 116
Posted by Timothy Murray on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 20:39 | #
I began listening to Revilo P. Oliver’s “The Enemy of Our Enemies” as narrated by Alex P. Linder and heard a passage that resonated with me, that I think you will enjoy as well. From the section labeled “HISTORIONOMY’ is this portion of the first paragraph: “I need not remark that the formulation or the criticism of a philosophy of history is a task suited only to the comparatively rare minds, probably found only in our race, who can attain a perfectly dispassionate and relentless objective attitude of intellectual detachment from their personal wishes, sympathies and even instinctive loyalties, at least during their consideration of the problems involved.” I think that is a beautiful sentence. 117
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 21:38 | # Tim, I will need more definition to respond on this question of aggregation. Is it a psychological or sociological phenomenon? Is its opposite really subsidiarity, which seems to me to have quite a categorically different set of associations? Help needed! On the Oliver quote, well, he was a stylist and an educated man. I suspect that quote, though, may refer to revisionist history of the Nazi regime; which isn’t very stylish at all. 118
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 31 Dec 2022 22:42 | # Unsafe & not sorry? Heinz-Christian Strache, Former Vice-Chancellor of Austria
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Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 01 Jan 2023 00:36 | # Why watch Russian Intelligence TV, particularly with the extremely dubious Herr Strache? 120
Posted by Thorn on Sun, 01 Jan 2023 01:23 | # “Why watch Russian Intelligence TV” You should watch it so you won’t be ignorant of their positions. 121
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 01 Jan 2023 06:02 | # Their position is apologism for the slaughter of women and children in their pursuit of a fourth Russian empire, by means of blaming everything on the constituency which nationalists most despise and can be most reliably expected to deprecate. It’s the classic psycho-murderer proclaiming, while the blood is still on his hands, “See, they made me do it.” 122
Posted by Timothy Murray on Sun, 01 Jan 2023 09:58 | #
I wish I could. It is me just noticing a series of events and phenomena which , in total, imply the devolution of power and control to those who have rightful merit/authority and the prying away of control/power from the jews and their like minded. The phenomena could just be the disintegration of a spinning dynamo with a new dynamo to spin up in good time (Spengler? Rise and Fall?). No need to reply, the idea is to amorphous for serious discussion and I do not want to waste any more of your time. 123
Posted by Thorn on Sun, 01 Jan 2023 14:43 | # “See, they made me do it.” By now, the West’s plan for Russia has become well-known and obvious: Regime change concomitant with re-structuring the political, cultural, and economic system there. Was bringing Ukraine into the fold one of many steps in the West’s overarching plan? Well, the Kremlin and most of the rest of the world see it that way. To make a long story short, Russia was lured in. The ultimate outcome from this proxy war is the great unknown. But as it stands now, it sure doesn’t look good. One thing for sure, the notion that Putin is in pursuit of a Russian empire is absurd. Propaganda such as that (most likely generated by the WEF) appeals most to ppl afflicted with Putin Derangement Syndrome - those belonging to the PDS wing of geopolitics. (lol) The truth is Putin is desperately trying to hold the Russian nation / Russia culture together. Moreover, he knows all too well that the future prospects of Russia surviving intact are bleak. Why? Demographics. I’m reasonably certain you, GW, are well aware of the demographic trends in Russia. As we both know, the native Russians are dying out at an alarming rate; native Russian deaths far exceed live births; same goes for English natives in England. Bottom line, Russia is a country in decline. Pursuing an empire is not on its plate. Securing what’s left of it is. 124
Posted by Al Ross on Wed, 04 Jan 2023 01:59 | # Please be careful , Timothy . Revilo Oliver’s language is so precise and logical that your admiration of his matchless prose might make you rethink re turning up on Sunday to witness the Oriental - based , impressive mummery of Mass. 125
Posted by Timothy Murray on Wed, 04 Jan 2023 18:27 | # Hi Al, His prose is precise, but not the best I have read, his intellect is what interests me, as does his bravery. I will comment on his views when I have read and understood them on his terms. Cordially… 126
Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 10 Jan 2023 06:12 | # Further and better particulars on brilliant , Oliver -style , Classicist - based prose might be gleaned by perusing the work of the late great , Enoch Powell : 127
Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 10 Jan 2023 06:32 | # Of course , RPO’s prose is not the most precise you have read , perhaps , as the old children’s Jesus Loves Me hymn goes , ” because the (laser - beam actuality of) the Bible tells me so.” Of course , I am joking . I have no idea what truck drivers read these days . Never mind about my Classist noticing. Without truckers we are shot , fucked and stabbed. 128
Posted by Timothy Murray on Thu, 12 Jan 2023 15:59 | # @Al Ross “Powell was a classical scholar, becoming a full professor of ancient Greek at the age of 25. ” Impressive. I have his wiki page bookmarked.
Well, I have a mini-project importing the wikipedia page on Geological Time into a postgres database. It will serve as a base timeline for overlays of other timelines (think Murray’s 400 year old chunks in Human Accomplishment as the first overlay I will do. This as ameans of teaching myself history) Regarding prose, I have read all of Dostyevski, most of Tolstoi, all (?) of Hesse, all of Rand and her acolytes, much of Twain, much of Fitzgerald, Dickens, Tolkein, Lewis. Lighter fare in Rice, James Herriot…I refuse to read anymore of that English son-of-a-bitch who killed Tess! Most of that was in my early twenties. Pascal’s Pensee’s is supposed to be the most beautiful French prose, but unfortunately I cannot read it. I turned from books like that to logic, math, physics…then computer programming…. Feynman and Berlinski are entertaining reads ...Berlinkski’s a tour fo the calculus is quite good.
“The rose room bled light” Fitzgerald The opening monologue of Twain’s Joan of Arc is probably the most tightly composed work I have ever read. Twain considered the book his best work. “in the Winter of my twenty-first year I set out alone on horseback to slay a pack of wolves” Anne Rice, the Vampire Lestat (paraphrased…the paraphrase is one of my favorite sentences). My current reading list is growing like weeds in my garden. A Dictionary of Scholastic Philosophy (a book recommended by and conjured from the fervent imagination of the exorcist I mentioned on the other topic comments) has just crossed my desk, as are work to be done in Murray’s Accomplishment and I ran across Aristotle’s Categories…something absolutely fundamental…I learned about it reading the guide to abbreviations in the Dictionary of Scholastic Philosophy After I get done importing the initial timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_time_scale#Table_of_geologic_time to a postgres database schema, my task list includes an “elevator pitch” summary of Arthur R. Butz’s Hoax of the 20’th Centiury….with a careful examination of the references he uses to make sure they still exist and are accessible (jew in the woodpile and all that) Then begin a study of the Accomplishments rendered in Murray’s book and enter the information I learn from that into a parallel database table to the GTS table (of course all of recorded human history is but a shaving of a fingernail in comparison). This is the beginning of me teaching myself history. In parallel, read Oliver and understand him on his terms. I am also studying Spirago’s The Catechism Explained…with the view to teaching it “ala flight instructor level of knowledge ” ..as a prelude to my confirmation as a Catholic.
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Posted by Timothy Murray on Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:00 | # So, Al, what is the life of the monied, playboy classicist like these days? Cordially 130
Posted by Thorn on Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:06 | # NATO Ministers Gather for War Summits… Russia Should Call Their Bluff
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Posted by Al Ross on Sun, 22 Jan 2023 07:19 | # Timothy , I am flattered by your blunderbuss approach to making assay of my actuality. Post a comment:
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Posted by Thorn on Wed, 14 Sep 2022 23:25 | #
“It all seems too good to be true.”
Of course, there are at least two versions of what’s taking place. What I’m interested in is the potential for escalation. I’m wondering what the world will be like two years from now. Or in the shorter term what everyday life will be like this coming winter.