White American Advocacy of Trump: The Arguments

Posted by DanielS on Friday, 18 March 2016 10:23.

Republican leaders talk about how to deal with Trump (apparently, these are not actors):

First of all, my (DanielS) concerns are primarily metapolitical in nature, where political at all. I have never had faith in the dog and pony show of politics to look after our E.G.I.

Nevertheless, there are people who care about European/White E.G.I. who think it is important for strategic reasons to get White people en mass behind Trump.

Again, it won’t be this White man who cares, I have never liked Trump and don’t trust his values. A businessman is, by training, Manichean: truth and justice is not his objective, defeating others is; and in that game that he plays, changing the rules, if necessary to win, is what he will do.

Cyberneticists have famously observed that the engineer and the scientist by contrast, is focused on Augustinian devils - natural devils.

Perhaps that focus makes a scientist such as MacDonald gullible to the tactics and naive to the motives of a businessman like Trump.

However, in service of squaring things-off, so that we can have an accurate dialectic going on here, in order to arrive at what is more the case, rather than arguing against cardboard figures, lets try to render some of MacDonald’s best arguments as to why Trump is someone for Whites to get behind.

MacDonald’s arguments as I understand them:

1) Because he is independently wealthy, he can flout the PC norms that have hog-tied Whites and address the true and important concerns of what has been the implicit base in support of the Republican Party - White people.

- That candor to move the Overton window is opposed to the concerns of people in the clip; and the Jews who have policed White ethnocentric dissent with iron PC rule.

2) He will either a) take that implicit White base, tarry with its interests at least to some extent, gain its support; thus owe some genuine regard for its concerns for a change through its Republican auspices. Or b) Destroy the GOP (which the men in the video would hate).

Plan b is not a bad option according to MacDonald and to most White people in the know - the Republican Party has looked like us but has shown White people no loyalty. Quite the opposite, it has been every bit as complicit in our demise as the Democrats.

Bring on the grassroots of ethnocentric Whites to form a third party; and if he will, let Trump set it in motion, MacDonald says.

That is what Whites have always needed, an independently wealthy White man who will actually put his money behind Whites the way Jews put their wealth behind their interests.

3) If it were not for Trump, issues of the American border and immigration would not even have been mentioned by the Republican Presidential Candidates. Trump forced that issue upon Cruz, Rubio et al.

Trump brought that critical issue into White American consciousness and legitimized it despite the masters of discourse having de-legitimized discourse of its concern since 1965.

That is also crucial, according to MacDonald, since it will force people to pay more attention to who is behind mass non-White migration to America. KM adds, there is no question that it was Jewish interests that have done this; and once Whites begin to understand that, they will see that Jewish interests have had nefarious aims - that the results for White E.G.I have been and will be deadly.

4) Though KM and Duke do not emphasize the corporate complicity, they do acknowledge that it is working Whites who suffer the most from these immigration policies, from unskilled labor to H1B migrants.

- Trump has not only explicitly called for deportation and the building of a fence to keep out unskilled migrants

- He has also cited Rubio for calling not for reduction but the increase of H1B Visas.

5) Trump’s destruction of Jeb Bush, Rubio and Cruz means the destruction not only of politics as usual for the Republican Party, as these are the people that they wanted to nominate - but also of the Neo-Con agenda which lies deeper behind them.

In fact, William Crystal threatened to start a third party if Trump got the nomination.

MacDonald adds that the Neo-Con agenda is strictly Jewish. It has nothing to do with White interests and has been a disaster or White interests.

Therefore, MacDonald says, “so be it.” Let the White outrage begin if their votes are treated as if they don’t matter; let it be known who runs the Republican Party - Jewish Neo Cons and Corporate interests - let it be destroyed and a new third party that takes the side of Whites be born instead.

6) Trump is the best option also because he has the best chance for White interests against Hillary Clinton - if she wins that is a disaster because she is the quintessential neo-liberal, neo-con dream all in one: completely beholden to the worst domestically and foreign - of right wing economic and military objectives and PC cultural agendas.

7) It is important to get behind Trump now because if it takes another 8 - 12 years for someone like him to come along it might be too late for Whites to wield voting power enough to sway the political direction to their interests.

Comments:

Posted by DanielS on Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:57 | #

Of course I believe that Trump is effectively false opposition, but that is not all there is to the equation.

Hillary’s radical transformation at Wellesley was a kosher one.

Hillary does not even bother to dog whistle at Whites - not the men, anyway.

Her discovery of a complementary right-wing foreign policy - of war mongering - is kosher as well..

Hillary and Hymie Saban

No, not a commitment to the 14 Words, but evergreen news of dedication to where her bread is buttered, a dedication to Israel and its people: “For me, and for this entire Administration, our commitment to Israel’s security and Israel’s future is ROCK SOLID, UNWAVERING, ENDURING, and FOREVER!”
- Hillary

“We came, we saw, he died!” ...she laughs (at thuggish murder of Gaddafi)

Inasmuch succeeds in eliminating what was a barrier to African migration to Europe.

More big laughs for Hillary:

Hillary laughs in glee over prospect of war with Iran

Posted by etc. on Fri, 18 Mar 2016 16:25 | #

etc.

Posted by DanielS on Sat, 19 Mar 2016 17:37 | #

Radix, “Could It Happen Here?”, 18 March 2018, Kevin MacDonald

This essay is based on a speech given at NPI’s 2016 winter conference, Identity Politics

Neocons would much prefer Hillary to Trump. After all, she voted for the Iraq war and was instrumental in promoting the intervention into Libya. She supported sending arms to Syrian rebels and likened Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, to Hitler. She wholeheartedly backs Israel, and has her own set of rabidly pro-Israel foreign-policy advisors, including Robert Kagan, who advocates military intervention and democracy creation throughout the Middle East as a moral imperative. Clinton’s main donor is Haim Saban, a rabid Zionist who has said that his only issue is Israel.

Needless to say, Bill Kristol and the neocons would not lose any sleep if Hillary Clinton became president. In fact, I suspect they would prefer Hillary to any Republican candidate except Marco Rubio, who has the ideal blend of subservience to neocon foreign policy and enthusiasm for mass immigration.

On the other hand, Donald Trump opposed the Iraq war and has supported Vladimir Putin’s policy of supporting the Assad government in Syria. As is well known, Assad and Putin are very high on the neocon hate list. Trump has told the Republican Jewish Coalition that he doesn’t want their money because with their money comes control, and he has pledged to be neutral on the Israel-Palestine issue. Because of this blatant conflict with neocon thinking, Bill Kristol has been in the lead in floating third-party candidates to run against Trump should he get the GOP nomination.

Lately, Kristol and other neocons have proposed plans that would deny Trump the nomination even if he has a plurality of the delegates, knowing full well that this would give Hillary the election as millions of angry Trump voters would stay home. This would mean at least four more years of the Left in charge: Supreme Court appointments, crackdowns on politically incorrect speech, and the continued immigration of millions of future Democrats, which would make “conservatism” electorally impossible. For neocons like Kristol, the rhetoric of “principles” and “ideals” is a masquerade. Their real interest is an aggressive U.S. foreign policy serving the interests of Israel.

And for the neocons, a Trump-led GOP would be Armageddon, as their influence in the GOP would be finished. So expect a fight to the death.

[...]

While the (((neo-cons))) are obviously bad news, changing parties probably would not be Armageddon for them; and there can be additional subtleties behind their agenda that they’ve glommed onto.

I need for Kumko to discuss that - she has the insight and expertise.

However, I will say this, that between Kumiko’s argument here and comment number 2 just above (citing The New Observer), that Trump’s anti-Jewish and anti-Israel and anti-warhawk on behalf of Israel credentials are not looking good as per KM’s argument.

It is extremely gratifying to read that evangelicals are supporting Trump, even though he does not have a history of being pro-life or opposed to gay marriage. For far too long, too many of our people have gotten sidetracked on issues that are simply not critical.

Should this be gratifying or should it send up yellow flags that perhaps their important issue - Zionism - is being upheld by Trump?

It can happen here

Posted by Trump's deal with Republicans on Sun, 24 Apr 2016 02:10 | #

Trump has been been caught making a deal with the Republican leaders, saying that his persona is just an act and that he will snap to form when nominated.

Posted by Jews for and against Trump. on Mon, 16 May 2016 08:13 | #

Jews for and against Trump.

Neocon, Bill Kristol, is of the “anything but Trump camp” that is apparently motivated by the upper tier of Jewish economic power seeking to maintain its status quo - operation clean break, etc.

Liberal David Horowitz seems to be rallying with the second level Jewish economic tier, which likes Trump -

Foreign: because of his opposition to the Iran deal (which, of course, the Jewish neo-cons oppose as well)

Domestic: because of his liberal nationalism which would serve to protect Jewish American assets.

Bill Kristol: Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew, Breitbart, 15 May 2016:

by David Horowitz

Bill Kristol

While millions of Republican primary voters have chosen Donald Trump as the party’s nominee, Bill Kristol and a small but well-heeled group of Washington insiders are preparing a third party effort to block Trump’s path to the White House.

Their plan is to run a candidate who could win three states and enough votes in the electoral college to deny both parties the needed majority. This would throw the election into the House of Representatives, which would then elect a candidate the Kristol group found acceptable. The fact that this would nullify the largest vote ever registered for a Republican primary candidate, the fact that it would jeopardize the Republican majorities in both the House and Senate, and more than likely make Hillary Clinton president, apparently doesn’t faze Kristol and company at all. This is to give elitism a bad name.

One would think that the Trump opponents would have substantial reasons for pursuing such a destructive course. But examination of their expressed reasons shows that one would be wrong. Their chief justification for opposing Trump is that he is not a “constitutional conservative” and in fact is “without principles” and therefore dangerous. The evidence offered is that he has supported Democrats in the past and changed his positions on important issues.

Yet in seeking a candidate to carry their standard, the Kristol group has approached billionaire investor Mark Cuban, a figure uncannily similar to Trump. During the presidential election year 2012, the Hollywood Reporter noted that, “in February, billionaire sports and media mogul Mark Cuban was seen hugging Barack Obama at a $30,000-a-plate fundraiser for the president’s re-election bid.” Cuban was also a visible campaigner for Obama four years earlier. A fan of Obamacare, Cuban wrote a column for Huffington Post just before the 2012 election titled, “I would vote for Gov. Romney if he were a Democrat.”

Now it is true that Mark Cuban eventually had second thoughts about Obama, and perhaps even about Democrats. But what these facts show is that Kristol and his allies are willing to elect anyone but Trump, even if they have even fewer principles than the man they hate.

A second charge against Trump is that his character is so bad (worse than Hillary’s or Bill’s?) that no right-thinking Republican could regard him as White House worthy. “I just don’t think he has the character to be president of the United States,” Kristol declared in a recent interview:

It’s beyond any particular issue I disagree with him on, or who he picks as VP or something. The man in the last five days has embraced Mike Tyson, the endorsement of a convicted rapist in Indiana… He likes toughness, Donald Trump, that’s great, he likes rapists.

This would be fairly damning if the facts were as black and white as Kristol presents them. But as anyone familiar with the sports world would know, Mike Tyson had a dramatic change of heart following his release from prison — rejected the life he had led, repented his past, and committed himself to a course of humility and service to others.

[...]

In addition to alleging that Trump is lacking in principles and character, Kristol claims that the Republican candidate is a crackpot conspiracy theorist, a disqualifying trait. Kristol’s evidence is a remark Trump made on the eve of the Indiana primary suggesting that Ted Cruz’s father might have something to hide about his alleged acquaintance with Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald

[...]

“Here’s Trump in his own crazed words,” Kristol continues:

[Trump:] “His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Kennedy’s being — you know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. They don’t even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it. I mean, what was he doing — what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death? Before the shooting? It’s horrible.”

Comments Kristol: “What’s horrible is a leading presidential candidate trading in crackpot conspiracy theories.”

So it might be, if Trump were actually putting forward a conspiracy theory.

[...]

All these dishonesties and flim-flam excuses pale by comparison with the consequences Kristol and his “Never Trump” cohorts are willing to risk by splitting the Republican vote. Obama has provided America’s mortal enemy, Iran, with a path to nuclear weapons, $150 billion dollars, and the freedom to develop intercontinental ballistic missiles to deliver the lethal payloads. Trump has promised to abandon the Iran deal, while Hillary Clinton and all but a handful of Democrats have supported this treachery from start to finish. Kristol is now one of their allies.

I am a Jew who has never been to Israel and has never been a Zionist in the sense of believing that Jews can rid themselves of Jew hatred by having their own nation state. But half of world Jewry now lives in Israel, and the enemies whom Obama and Hillary have empowered — Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, ISIS, and Hamas — have openly sworn to exterminate the Jews. I am also an American (and an American first), whose country is threatened with destruction by the same enemies. To weaken the only party that stands between the Jews and their annihilation, and between America and the forces intent on destroying her, is a political miscalculation so great and a betrayal so profound as to not be easily forgiven.

While Jews are almost invariably ethnocentric, there is a superficial difference between more conservative, Zionist Jews, and liberal Jews, who are more concerned with their capacity in diaspora - i.e., they are liberals especially when it comes to ‘your’ E.G.I.

As you can see by Horowitz’ statement, he is still preoccupied with Jewish E.G.I., whether in Israel or diaspora, but he tries to hide his concern for Israel and Jewish diaspora as being one and the same with American patriotism.

These liberal Jews, even the anti-Zionist ones, can be as deceptive to White E.G.I. as are the “conservative” ones.

Horowitz apparently believes that America and Israel just so happen to have the same enemies.

David Horowitz is the liberal professor speaking about the history of political correctness in this video tracing it to the transformation from economic Marxism to cultural Marxism with “critical theory” -

Posted by Fash the nation talks with KM on Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:31 | #

Fash the nation talks with Kevin MacDonald about their support of Trump and the Jewish efforts to defeat him.

Posted by Trump resurrects GOP on Thu, 07 Jul 2016 05:16 | #

In regard to foreign affairs, it has looked to me like Trump has been empowered for the neo-con agenda of undoing the Iran deal. Kumiko sees the domestic motivation of a second tier of Jewish money - in concern of their U.S. real estate holdings - that is backing Trump; even while he “radically defies” the highest rungs of Jewish money.

In his latest radio show - 6 July 2016 - TT Metzger sees another motivation behind Trump and has come out against advocating either Hillary or Trump in any positive sense, maintaining that he will not vote.

Though he had previously been relatively partial to Trump, seeing him as provoking a certain amount of chaos for Whites to take advantage of, he now holds that a vote for Trump is a vote for the system - in particular, that Trump is being used to secure the Republican base (implicit Whites) and as such to save the Republican party - which should not be saved since it has long been gaining and using White working class voters by means of dog whistles to minor cultural issues, while ultimately betraying them for international corporatist and Jewish interests.